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Post by Shifty Wed 02 Dec 2015, 7:13 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/34986033

Wales will play England at Twickenham before their summer tour of New Zealand in 2016.

The match will take place on 29 May, a day after the Pro12 and English Premiership finals.

Warren Gatland's side then face three Tests against the All Blacks and a midweek game against Chiefs in June.

Australia, Argentina and South Africa are confirmed as opponents for the autumn internationals, with one fixture on 19 November still to be finalised.

The fixture list means Wales will face two away matches against Eddie Jones' England in two and a half months, with their Six Nations meeting taking place on 12 March.

Wales fixtures

Summer 2016

Sunday 29 May: England, Twickenham Stadium

Saturday 11 June: New Zealand, Eden Park, Auckland

Tuesday 14 June: Chiefs, FMG Stadium, Waikato

Saturday 18 June: New Zealand, Westpac Stadium, Wellington

Saturday 25 June, New Zealand, Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin

Autumn Series

Saturday 5 November, Australia, Principality Stadium

Saturday 12 November, Argentina, Principality Stadium

Saturday 19 November, TBC, Principality Stadium

Saturday 26 November, South Africa, Principality Stadium
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Post by Shifty Wed 02 Dec 2015, 7:14 pm

Jesus Christ England love taking us on at Twickenham don't they!

Actually it might suit Wales more, the way things are going in the Pro 12 we won't have anyone in the final, so we should have all the local lads available! Very Happy
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Post by bedfordwelsh Thu 03 Dec 2015, 5:26 am

4th AI game AGAIN, pretty sure we were told we would be losing that game when Davies took over? New people same BS.
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Post by Guest Thu 03 Dec 2015, 8:54 am

Ah yeah, I thought we weren't having one. Sneaky. Though to be fair, even if we don't it's still rubbish that we are playing on 26 Nov when it's probably right before Europe again.

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Post by Chunky Norwich Thu 03 Dec 2015, 9:21 am

An average of more than 1 game a month for Wales in a Calendar year.

Pathetic. Test rugby is killing the game.

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Post by doctor_grey Thu 03 Dec 2015, 10:16 am

Simply too much Rugby. Killing our players.

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Post by lostinwales Thu 03 Dec 2015, 10:23 am

Most likely be a weakened English squad

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Thu 03 Dec 2015, 10:43 am

England are likely to be without at least half a dozen players with the AP final the day before, what is the point............................



Ah, Money
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Post by Chunky Norwich Thu 03 Dec 2015, 11:21 am

I hope only 6 people turn up. The Unions are riding roughshod over the game. Disgraceful.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Thu 03 Dec 2015, 11:24 am

Likely full house. People like internationals.

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Post by Chunky Norwich Thu 03 Dec 2015, 11:25 am

Anybody with a genuine love for the game woudl stay well away from this match. It's a step too far.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Thu 03 Dec 2015, 11:27 am

Would people with a genuine love for the game stay away from the play offs as well? Could just go with the league standings and help player welfare? Club and International need to work together for the benefit of all.

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Post by Chunky Norwich Thu 03 Dec 2015, 11:31 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:Would people with a genuine love for the game stay away from the play offs as well? Could just go with the league standings and help player welfare?

Probably not, as they pay for season tickets and have followed their teams all season.


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Post by No 7&1/2 Thu 03 Dec 2015, 11:34 am

So flog the players as long as there's season tickets? Or have a more thoughtful outlook at the total amount of rugby we're asking from the players?

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Post by Chunky Norwich Thu 03 Dec 2015, 11:35 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:So flog the players as long as there's season tickets? Or have a more thoughtful outlook at the total amount of rugby we're asking from the players?

I wouldn't be against final league standings without playoffs if it was part of a balanced approach for player welfare.

As it is, I do not understand why there are test windows. No Union seems to adhere to them. They just cause chaos.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Thu 03 Dec 2015, 11:36 am

Oh, is this outside the international test window?

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Post by Chunky Norwich Thu 03 Dec 2015, 11:42 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:Oh, is this outside the international test window?

What do you think?

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Post by HammerofThunor Thu 03 Dec 2015, 12:18 pm

Hope it's replacing the Barbarian game for England. It's effectively a warm up game but with potentially significantly more value (rugby terms) than the Barbarians. If it's as well as...sod that

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Thu 03 Dec 2015, 12:40 pm

Am I right in thinking that the RFU's agreement with the clubs allows for release of EQP for an extra game, but not Jonny Foreigners?
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Post by No 7&1/2 Thu 03 Dec 2015, 12:40 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Oh, is this outside the international test window?

What do you think?

Don't know, hence I was asking you.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Thu 03 Dec 2015, 12:54 pm

well given it's at the same time as the Prem final England will likely be missing a few players. They might also not pick those playing in the semis, assuming they're being played the week before?

Suspect England will treat this much like a Barbarian fixture, and pick some fringe players.

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Post by Rugby Fan Thu 03 Dec 2015, 1:26 pm

HammerofThunor wrote:Hope it's replacing the Barbarian game for England.
It sounds like there'll be ranking points at stake. Not very happy with that if we aren't going to have access to everyone. It's one thing to willingly field a understrength team, it's another to have that condition imposed on you by the timing.

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Post by Chunky Norwich Thu 03 Dec 2015, 1:34 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Oh, is this outside the international test window?

What do you think?

Don't know, hence I was asking you.

Of course it's outside the test window.

Test rugby doesn't care when it screws around with the doemstic calendar


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Post by No 7&1/2 Thu 03 Dec 2015, 1:44 pm

So if the clubs don't want their players to be involved they don't have to.

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Post by Rugby Fan Thu 03 Dec 2015, 2:08 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:So if the clubs don't want their players to be involved they don't have to.
The EPS agreement gives the RFU some access to players outside the international window. That's also why we have an autumn international outside the window next year.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Thu 03 Dec 2015, 2:09 pm

Which comes back to club and country working together.

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Post by Chunky Norwich Thu 03 Dec 2015, 2:45 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Which comes back to club and country working together.

The notion that a rugby union organises a test match and that test match is going to be played "without the players from the 2 best teams in the country" is farcical, shameless and devalues not only the English rugby shirt but also test rugby as a concept.

The Unions really are complete dybbuks of the rugby world.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Thu 03 Dec 2015, 2:58 pm

If the PRL have negotiated this with the union then they are equals in it. Personally the calaendar is full enough for me and both club and country should be reviewing the requirements they're placing on the players. This isn't just a union thing.

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Post by Chunky Norwich Thu 03 Dec 2015, 3:08 pm

It woulddn't be on the table if the Unions weren't so unscrupolously greedy. The fact that the PRL may have okayed it, doesn't make everything ok.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Thu 03 Dec 2015, 3:13 pm

So, like I said it's a club and country thing not a union thing.

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Post by Cardiff Dave Thu 03 Dec 2015, 5:15 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Likely full house. People like internationals.

Liking them less though which is why we now have a mahoosive Welsh flag.

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Post by doctor_grey Thu 03 Dec 2015, 5:42 pm

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:England are likely to be without at least half a dozen players with the AP final the day before, what is the point............................



Ah, Money
Jeez, We have already seen England can't win Internationals without Hartley and Burrell. So England won't be able to win this one either.............

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Post by yappysnap Thu 03 Dec 2015, 6:58 pm

If they're not playing any guys from clubs in the play offs then at least we'll get to see all those Falcons players that Geordie keeps on about...

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Post by doctor_grey Thu 03 Dec 2015, 7:41 pm

Well, Falcons aren't in last............

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Post by Rugby Fan Thu 03 Dec 2015, 10:32 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Which comes back to club and country working together.
The RFU and Premiership clubs have an agreement, but I don't think it's a good result if we get a match with ranking points at stake where we may not have the option of fielding our first choice simply because of scheduling.

I'm not even sure I want another match against Wales. One of the attractions of the Six Nations is that sides get bragging rights until next year. We are told how that is the commercial jewel in the crown, so I don't understand why we would want to cheapen it by arranging another game a few months later. Especially since we often play other 6N sides in the World Cup warm-ups every four years.

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Post by yappysnap Thu 03 Dec 2015, 10:44 pm

Yea after all the talk of playing tier two sides from the RWC you'd think one of them would be a better fit.

Sadly that was probably just lip service as money talks these days.

Would have been great to get Japan over for a game! Or stop there on the way to Oz  Wink

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Post by stub Thu 03 Dec 2015, 11:09 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:So flog the players as long as there's season tickets? Or have a more thoughtful outlook at the total amount of rugby we're asking from the players?

I wouldn't be against final league standings without playoffs if it was part of a balanced approach for player welfare.

As it is, I do not understand why there are test windows. No Union seems to adhere to them. They just cause chaos.

I'm not a fan of playoffs tbh. Losing these would be a good way of losing some unecessary matches. If you win the league then you've won imo.



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Post by Dontheman2 Fri 04 Dec 2015, 8:05 am

In 1930. The then British lions played 28 games including 5 Tests against NZ and Australia in a 16 week period. . The squad consisted of 29 players. Given the recovery technologies we now have and the huge squads. Unions can call on I think it's a bit rich to go on about killing the game with an extra Test. The game is still alive and kicking!

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Post by Chunky Norwich Fri 04 Dec 2015, 9:36 am

Dontheman2 wrote:In 1930.

1930.








ok

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Post by doctor_grey Fri 04 Dec 2015, 9:59 am

yappysnap wrote:Yea after all the talk of playing tier two sides from the RWC you'd think one of them would be a better fit.

Sadly that was probably just lip service as money talks these days.

Would have been great to get Japan over for a game! Or stop there on the way to Oz  Wink
Well if no Premiership clubs in the playoffs provide any players, the England side might be a tier 2 side.  
And if Llanelli, currently second in the Pro12, do not provide players, Wales might be as well.......,

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Post by bedfordwelsh Fri 04 Dec 2015, 12:14 pm

Rugby Fan wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:So if the clubs don't want their players to be involved they don't have to.
The EPS agreement gives the RFU some access to players outside the international window. That's also why we have an autumn international outside the window next year.

Gatland will have access to the players playing in Wales but as with the 4th AI if it is outside the window then he won't have access to the English/French based players.

The game is a day after the Pro12 and Aviva finals so England are likely to be without a host of first choice players Wales not so much, another money spinning waste of time game.
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Post by Cardiff Dave Fri 04 Dec 2015, 6:17 pm

bedfordwelsh wrote:4th AI game AGAIN, pretty sure we were told we would be losing that game when Davies took over?  New people same BS.

Can't remember being told that Bedford. Anyway, here's the RSA outline for what it's worth....

"Within the RSA the WRU retains the right to play up to 13 senior international games each year with a 13-day release facility for squad training before the Six Nations and Autumn series games."

http://prorugbywales.com/rsa/

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Post by Dontheman2 Sat 05 Dec 2015, 2:15 pm

Quote"Dontheman2 wrote:

In 1930.

1930.








ok"quote
Your point is? Still the oval ball game back then wasn't it?

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Post by bedfordwelsh Sat 05 Dec 2015, 3:36 pm

Cardiff Dave wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:4th AI game AGAIN, pretty sure we were told we would be losing that game when Davies took over?  New people same BS.

Can't remember being told that Bedford. Anyway, here's the RSA outline for what it's worth....

"Within the RSA the WRU retains the right to play up to 13 senior international games each year with a 13-day release facility for squad training before the Six Nations and Autumn series games."

http://prorugbywales.com/rsa/

Dave,

Can't find it now but sure I read that they will be getting dropped
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Post by Shifty Sun 06 Dec 2015, 9:23 am

Wales beating Australia was the reason Eddie Jones got the sack as their national coach, maybe he wants to get as many chances as he possibly can to get revenge, lol. Very Happy
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Post by Chunky Norwich Sun 06 Dec 2015, 10:31 am

The Rugby Paper report that the RFU pushed for this game to fill the coffers and help pay back the compensation owed to PRL clubs - from the World Cup. Test rugby just breeds chaos.

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Post by bedfordwelsh Sun 06 Dec 2015, 12:54 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:The Rugby Paper report that the RFU pushed for this game to fill the coffers and help pay back the compensation owed to PRL clubs - from the World Cup. Test rugby just breeds chaos.

And the WRU are all to happy to take any extra cash they can get and sod what affect it has.
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Post by BigTrevsbigmac Sun 06 Dec 2015, 2:23 pm

[quote="Shifty"]Wales beating Australia was the reason Eddie Jones got the sack as their national coach, maybe he wants to get as many chances as he possibly can to get revenge, lol.  Very Happy

Maybe but....

If the reverse happened Wales would be on their 11th coach since Wales last win against Oz.


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Post by Cardiff Dave Sun 06 Dec 2015, 7:42 pm

bedfordwelsh wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:4th AI game AGAIN, pretty sure we were told we would be losing that game when Davies took over?  New people same BS.

Can't remember being told that Bedford. Anyway, here's the RSA outline for what it's worth....

"Within the RSA the WRU retains the right to play up to 13 senior international games each year with a 13-day release facility for squad training before the Six Nations and Autumn series games."

http://prorugbywales.com/rsa/

Dave,

Can't find it now but sure I read that they will be getting dropped

Maybe it was suggested by somebody during the war I dunno.
Helps pay 6 figure salaries to office folk I spose.

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Post by Cardiff Dave Sun 06 Dec 2015, 7:57 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:The Rugby Paper report that the RFU pushed for this game to fill the coffers and help pay back the compensation owed to PRL clubs - from the World Cup. Test rugby just breeds chaos.

Adding even more international games is the way forward though shewerly. Like Gillette add blades to their razors.

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