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Champions Cup Pool 4: Munster v Leicester Tigers, 12 December

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Post by George Carlin Sun 6 Dec - 9:54

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Munster Rugby v Leicester Tigers

Saturday 12 December 2015
KO: 19:45
Thomond Park, Limerick

Live on BT Sport / beIN Sports

Referee Romain Poite (France)
Touch Judge 1 Tual Trainini (France)
Touch Judge 2 Laurent Breil (France)
Fourth Official Ken Imbusch (Ireland)
TMO Gilles Cogne (France)

A. Head to Head

4 Played 4
2 Wins 2
2 Losses 2
0 Draws 0
56 Points 54

B. Recent Form

27 August 2010
Munster 13-17 Leicester

20 January 2007
Munster 6 - 13 Leicester

22 Oct 2006
Leicester 19 - 21 Munster  

13 April 2003
Leicester 7 - 20 Munster

25 May 2002
Leicester 15 - 9 Munster

C. Teams
Munster Rugby
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15 Andrew Conway, 14 Keith Earls, 13 Francis Saili, 12 Denis Hurley, 11 Simon Zebo, 10 Ian Keatley, 9 Conor Murray, 1 James Cronin, 2 Niall Scannell, 3 BJ Botha, 4 Dave Foley, 5 Donnacha Ryan, 6 Robin Copeland, 7 Dave O'Callaghan, 8 CJ Stander (c).

Replacements: Mike Sherry, Dave Kilcoyne, John Ryan, Mark Chisholm, Jack O'Donoghue, Tomás O'Leary, Tyler Bleyendaal, Lucas Gonzalez Amorosino.

Leicester Tigers
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15 Telusa Veainu, 14 Adam Thompstone, 13 Matt Smith, 12 Seremaia Bai, 11 Vereniki Goneva, 10 Owen Williams, 9 Ben Youngs, 1 Marcos Ayerza, 2 Tom Youngs, 3 Dan Cole, 4 Graham Kitchener, 5 Mike Fitzgerald, 6 Ed Slater (c), 7 Brendon O'Connor, 8 Lachlan McCaffrey.

Replacements: 16 Harry Thacker, 17 Matias Aguero, 18 Fraser Balmain, 19 Dom Barrow, 20 Tom Croft, 21 Sam Harrison, 22 Tommy Bell, 23 Gonzalo Camacho.


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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 12 Dec - 17:40

Well last season we could only play ten man rugby, this season we've changed game plan completely. It's taken some time to bed in and the usual set piece power hasn't quite clicked yet. The attacking play blows hot and cold and similarly the defence is ether out of this world or like a sieve. As games go by it's improving and given how attractive the rugby we're trying to play is all the fans are behind the coaches for once.

Just not sure it's all coming together in time for Thomond Park on a wintery night.

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Post by eirebilly Sat 12 Dec - 17:50

Well if history is anything to go by, the Tigers will raise their game for Munster.

Good luck tonight though Sam thumbsup
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Post by profitius Sat 12 Dec - 17:50

I expect Munster to play a tight game with a lot of forward carrying. Under Foley Munster struggle when they can't bully teams up front so if the can stop their carrying game, they'll have a good chance. Munster are also without a proper openside. 6'5" Dave o'Callaghan is doing that job tonight.
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Post by eirebilly Sat 12 Dec - 17:52

Tight game will be the way prof, just hope Munster can get parity their and that Keatley can put in a performance.
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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 12 Dec - 18:21

Cheers Billy. We've got two open sides and a lock in the back row so the tight game is going to be interesting. I predict plenty of big collisions. I'm just hoping for a good, hard fought game.

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Post by Welly Sat 12 Dec - 19:15

Croft out Pearce In.

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Post by Guest Sat 12 Dec - 19:15

Croft out ill so Pearce moves onto the bench.

With McCaffrey and O'Connor at 7 & 8 Pearce makes more sense than Croft anyway, but not sure why Crane didn't get the nod ahead of Pearce who hasn't really developed this year.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 12 Dec - 19:25

As Croft is ill I wonder if that hasn't hit a couple of our lads with neither Crane nor Betham involved. Pearce has had some adjusting off the pitch as he became a father just after the season started. So he may have had his first decent night sleep last night for a while whilst at the team hotel. He's big, powerful and mobile an ideal opportunity for him to put his hand up and remind the coaches he's still around.

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Post by stub Sat 12 Dec - 19:32

The big one of the day for me. Still think Munster will have too much for Leicester but really hope Tigers prove me wrong.

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Post by eirebilly Sat 12 Dec - 19:48

Best possible start for the Tigers.
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Post by eirebilly Sat 12 Dec - 19:50

What a run from Copeland and followed up by CJ Very Happy
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Post by nathan Sat 12 Dec - 19:54

What's happening guys, stuck shopping

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Post by eirebilly Sat 12 Dec - 19:56

nathan wrote:What's happening guys, stuck shopping

The Tigers got an early penalty and lead 0-3 but Munster are attacking very well and the tigers are under pressure but their defence is holding.
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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 12 Dec - 20:01

Not a penalty. Can't be a ruck unless a player from either side competes for the ball. TV as the tackler is therefore onside and allowed to compete.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 12 Dec - 20:01

Munster loose head goes straight through the midfield - poor defence but a good line. He's cut down by Veainu but he then uses hands in the ruck once it's formed and gets penalised, maybe fortunate not to be yellow.

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Post by eirebilly Sat 12 Dec - 20:03

How could the touch judge miss that, it landed inside...
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Post by eirebilly Sat 12 Dec - 20:04

formerly known as Sam wrote:Not a penalty. Can't be a ruck unless a player from either side competes for the ball. TV as the tackler is therefore onside and allowed to compete.

Actually agree with this, Munster very lucky there. Looked like a perfect effort for me.
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Post by king_carlos Sat 12 Dec - 20:04

Veainu really is electric isn't he.

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Post by VinceWLB Sat 12 Dec - 20:05

Great steal from Botha, better at the breakdown than at the scrum these days!

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 12 Dec - 20:06

But Carlos it's not a ruck as no competition takes place over the ball and as the tackler TV is onside unless a ruck is formed.

Brainless from us ball in hand. We're not putting enough players into the breakdown early enough and Munster are picking us off.

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Post by eirebilly Sat 12 Dec - 20:12

Excellent from Young's but Leicester's indiscipline is costing them here.
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Post by king_carlos Sat 12 Dec - 20:14

I didn't see the replay so can't really comment. I was more thinking that if Poite adjudged it to be illegal then he's lucky not to go to the bin.

The man went straight through up the middle, both sides of the pitch wide open to be attacked with the defence retreating. Could have easily been binned.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 12 Dec - 20:16

Why are we flicking crap ball out of the back of a dominant scrum? Fecking dumb.

Munster have brought an excellent physicality to the breakdown and Tigers are struggling to adjust and compete.

Nice to see both sides are looking to attack and play with width rather than just milk three pointers.

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Post by eirebilly Sat 12 Dec - 20:17

Its a difficult one Carlos, as a Munster fan, I believe that it was a wrong call from Poite. No Munster players had engaged by the time he was in position to attack the ball.

I can see where Poite made his decision but for me, it was a good piece of work and Munster were lucky.
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Post by king_carlos Sat 12 Dec - 20:18

Not certain if O'Connor released there but I'll take the penalty chance.

Munster are working much better as a unit currently. Their forwards are running better lines and their intensity at the breakdown is better.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat 12 Dec - 20:18

Countdown until a Munster fan starts gushing about BOD's comments on Earls and his offloading ability in 3... 2... 1...

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Post by king_carlos Sat 12 Dec - 20:19

Very very luck not to have handed three points straight back there.

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Post by George Carlin Sat 12 Dec - 20:20

Absorbing half. Tigers not quite smart enough at the breakdown. 

That said, they'll be delighted with 6-6 given that they've only had 25% of possession.
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Post by Cyril Sat 12 Dec - 20:22

Well done Poite!

Munster fans booing (as usual) Laugh

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Post by Cyril Sat 12 Dec - 20:23

How is that not a penalty try!?

Edit: Try!!!!!

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Post by Golden Sat 12 Dec - 20:24

What a great finish that was.


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Post by eirebilly Sat 12 Dec - 20:24

Great driving maul from the Tigers, such speed and in fairness, could have been a Penalty Try.
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Post by nathan Sat 12 Dec - 20:25

Yellow card for number 4?

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 12 Dec - 20:25

How that is a penalty to us I'm not sure. Poite should have carried on until we'd cleared our lines from the turnover. As he stopped play he had nowhere to go when it wasn't a Munster penalty.

Great try but fortuitous given the penalty decision. Munster lucky not to concede a penalty try and a yellow card though.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sat 12 Dec - 20:26

Cyril wrote:Well done Poite!

Munster fans booing (as usual) Laugh
Sure look at least there are fans in the stadium. Very Happy

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Post by king_carlos Sat 12 Dec - 20:26

Fantastic finish from Niki Goneva.

As is so often the case with those moments from him the ball was in the wrong hand but he beat the first man anyway with no right to!

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Post by George Carlin Sat 12 Dec - 20:27

Tigers can feel hard done by. Poite had already given the penalty for bringing the maul down so I don't understand why there wasn't a card there and Willams would have had a kick in front of the post instead of missing the more difficult chance from the touchline.
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Post by Cyril Sat 12 Dec - 20:29

Yes!!!!!!

Well done Tigers Smile

Munster caught completely cold there.

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Post by eirebilly Sat 12 Dec - 20:29

I think that the Tigers were robbed 2 points there by not awarding a penalty try, that could be crucial. Munster need the break as Leicester have all the momentum.
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Post by king_carlos Sat 12 Dec - 20:29

nathan wrote:Yellow card for number 4?

I thought that as well nathan when he went in at the side.

Judging by Poite not putting the arm out until it was collapsed a second later he must have felt it was legal though.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sat 12 Dec - 20:29

I wouldn't like to see the bollocking Keatley is getting on Munsterfans right now

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Post by Cyril Sat 12 Dec - 20:30

George Carlin wrote:Tigers can feel hard done by. Poite had already given the penalty for bringing the maul down so I don't understand why there wasn't a card there and Willams would have had a kick in front of the post instead of missing the more difficult chance from the touchline.
Agree. There were at least 2 Munster players pulling down the maul at the side less than 5 metres out. It should have been a yellow and 2 more points.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 12 Dec - 20:30

Oh dear. Foley will be screaming about that at half time.

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Post by nathan Sat 12 Dec - 20:31

A tigers team taking there chances, whatever next!

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Post by eirebilly Sat 12 Dec - 20:33

LeinsterFan4life wrote:I wouldn't like to see the bollocking Keatley is getting on Munsterfans right now

No more than usual, I have long said that Munster will win nothing with Keatley.
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Post by Pot Hale Sat 12 Dec - 20:33

Poite gave Leicester that try with his decision on the block on Conway. It was quite deliberate.
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Post by eirebilly Sat 12 Dec - 20:35

After sustaining that amount of pressure, Leicester have come back brilliantly. Quality game so far and I cant have enough praise for the Tigers and their fans clap
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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 12 Dec - 20:37

Matt Smith has been huge in the Tigers midfield. Lots of big tackles from him. Shame he hasn't got the pace he used to for a deserved try, he was desperately looking around for a winger to pass to.

Pressure on the lineout and a gifted try.

Tigers have stepped up their intensity at the breakdown and now Munster need to find another gear and start doing more with all that possession. With the wind maybe we'll see some drop goals and kicks to the corner.

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Post by Guest Sat 12 Dec - 20:38

I agree it was a ridiculous decision not to award a penalty try for pulling the maul down, but they never should've had the penalty that lead to the lineout anyway.

The Veainu penalty was wrong aswell. Whatever the result it looks like there will be plenty for both fans to moan about.

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Post by Cyril Sat 12 Dec - 20:40

Pot Hale wrote:Poite gave Leicester that try with his decision on the block on Conway. It was quite deliberate.
Wasn't the first offence a push by a Munster player?

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