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Post by Guest Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:52 pm

First topic message reminder :

....well, why not!  It's only about 8 weeks away:

Week 1

6 February 2016
France v Italy 15:25 CET (UTC+1)
Stade de France, Paris
Referee: JP Doyle (England)

Scotland v England 16:50 GMT (UTC+0)
BT Murrayfield, Edinburgh
Referee: John Lacey (Ireland)

7 February 2016
Ireland v Wales 15:00 GMT (UTC+0)
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
Referee: Jérôme Garcès (France)

Some good grudge matches in that lot!

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Post by lostinwales Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:29 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
BamBam wrote:Jesus, when did that happen?

My understanding is that he is still not symptom free from the concussion suffered against Sarries on 7th November. At the weekend the official statement was that he had only been able to partake "some" light exercise but is not ready for any contact training. He keeps starting on the return to play protocols but then suffers a relaps and it all has to wait again. Now it could be that he woke up yesterday symptom free and is fine from now on - but the reverse is that he still has headaches and dizziness. Bearing in mind he has had no issues like this before, the longer it goes on the more worried the medical staff will be.

I hope for his own sake he recovers, and I am so glad that again Saints are treating a case like this with the utmost seriousness.

Its not like Saints havent had practice at this Sad

Hope he heals up OK

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:31 pm

One of the best clubs to be with if it is true, Saints really look after their players, unlike some ex-international coaches I could name
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:03 pm

There's a lot of points to prove, I can see some upsets this year. I'm going for:

1. England
2. Ireland
3. France
4. Scotland
5. Wales
6. Italy

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Post by doctor_grey Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:54 pm

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:One of the best clubs to be with if it is true, Saints really look after their players, unlike some ex-international coaches I could name
The philosophy of the club.

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Post by majesticimperialman Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:39 pm

I am not expecting England to do very much this 6ns. I do hope i am wrong but after going put of the RWC in the pool stages, My confidence in England is a bit low right now.

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Post by doctor_grey Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:04 am

majesticimperialman wrote:I am not expecting England to do very much this 6ns. I do hope i am wrong but after going put of the RWC in the pool stages, My confidence in England is a bit low right now.
For me England are a total wild card.  Could do poorly or do very well.  So many unknowns at this point.  Especially if Eddie uses this 6 Nations as an opportunity to try different combinations from game to game.  

On the other hand, If Eddie chooses players who are completely healthy and in fighting trim there is hope.  Additionally, the players had been depowered during pre-RWC training.  I will bet the clubs will have the players back in proper shape.  Combine those two points and we will have something strong to build on.  Have faith, as Her Majesty Queen Victory said:
Her Majesty Victoria, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland Queen, Defender of the Faith, Empress of India wrote: We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. They do not exist.

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Post by BamBam Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:21 am

LondonTiger wrote:
BamBam wrote:Jesus, when did that happen?

My understanding is that he is still not symptom free from the concussion suffered against Sarries on 7th November. At the weekend the official statement was that he had only been able to partake "some" light exercise but is not ready for any contact training. He keeps starting on the return to play protocols but then suffers a relaps and it all has to wait again. Now it could be that he woke up yesterday symptom free and is fine from now on - but the reverse is that he still has headaches and dizziness. Bearing in mind he has had no issues like this before, the longer it goes on the more worried the medical staff will be.

I hope for his own sake he recovers, and I am so glad that again Saints are treating a case like this with the utmost seriousness.

Cheers LT, just goes to show how something that seemed innocuous first can be so serious with head injuries.

Best wishes to him, and good on Saints (and Hartley) for putting his recovery first

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Post by TJ Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:57 am

From this Scotland fans view:

We have a good group of players with a few bits of real quality.  Best  for a long long time.  last 6N there were 3 games we could and maybe should have won.  Decent WC and buildup and in the Aus game for the first time they really began to look like a team.  

A year older and more experienced.  Cotter has had the time things sorted his way,  Its time to deliver beating teams ranked above them

England first up will be a tough prospect but its at Murrayfeild, we have the advantage of a settled side and who knows which England we will face?  The side that went out limply in the WC or the side that beat NZ a year or two before?

Sean Lamont wrote:"I'm sick of it - I want to win something, I really do."


"I'm sick of having this year after year, valiant losers or whatever.

"We need to pull our fingers out, there's been too many years gone by where we've been also-rans. It's not good enough."

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Post by little_badger Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:24 am

To do well England need two things which were wholly missing from the WC:

Mental toughness under pressure

A clear game plan

If Jones can do that I suspect England will do OK. The players that did well in last years 6ns have not become pants by one bad world cup, albeit some others are clearly not international standard.

Wales, Dan Biggar is essential but the team could not score when it counted against the organised defence of Aus and SA. If Gustard can get England's defence to front up then it gets interesting.

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Post by beshocked Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:05 am

TJ that's the problem that has been dogging Scotland - valiant losers. To be honest if I was involved in Scottish rugby I would get some of the most successful Scottish sportsmen to give them some pointers - Sir Chris Hoy and Andy Murray for starters.

Andy Murray has been accused of being mentally flaky in the past, including by myself but it's hard to say that now he has two GS titles, a Olympic title and Davis Cup win.

little badger it's not been talked about as much but the conditioning coach got sacked, I wonder who will be in charge of that aspect.

Quite clearly conditioning and preparation for a tournament is a big part of rugby.

Ireland and England in particular looked well off the pace in this area.

There was also the argument that England won the RWC in 2003 because they were fitter and stronger - known as the white orcs on steroids.

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Post by TJ Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:27 pm

Beshocked - that why I say - its time to deliver. There are no excuses. Settled team, settled coaches, Good group of players.

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Post by Pete330v2 Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:28 pm

I have a gut feeling about England in the coming 6 nations and it's not a good one. Not from and Irish perspective anyway. I really do think England will win, simple as that. Watching the Geoff tells me that the pool of players and the standard thereof is bigger and better than ever. If Eddie can do an overhaul and play England to their strengths it could be a GS for the English.
The scrap for 2nd spot between Wales, Ireland, France and Scotland is tighter than ever with nothing in it between Wales and Ireland, France being France and Scotland a vastly different beast from last year.

Bring it on !!!

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Post by mikey_dragon Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:06 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:There's a lot of points to prove, I can see some upsets this year. I'm going for:

1. England

2. Ireland
3. France
4. Scotland
5. Wales
6. Italy

Good luck with that Wink.

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Post by mikey_dragon Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:15 pm

England - in general they are a team who's form does not really alter much between different coaches and players. The 6 Nations isn't an ideal team for a new coach to start IMO, even someone like Schmidt would struggle to get his team to click for such a major tournament in a short space of time. Lancaster did do it however, when he took over in 2012. The difference then was that he had Saracens coaches, Saracens players, and a Saracens=eque game plan - England's kind fixture list that year also helped them build some early momentum. Jones is a better coach than his predecessor but does he have all of that right now?

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Post by No 7&1/2 Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:22 pm

He does have the Saracens coaches, or will have, the Saracens players and a similar fixture list.

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Post by mikey_dragon Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:21 pm

Was Borthwick previously coaching at the Saracens? If so then I did not know.

But in 2012 there was a strong contingent from Saracens, and in vital positions. Hodgson and Farrell controlled the game from 10 and 12. There was also Botha, Ashton, Strettle, Barritt and perhaps more? In Jones' starting team I think there might actually be less Sarries players than that.

Yes and the opening fixture in 2016 is actually a bit sweeter for your team, as the last time it was in Scotland on a very cold evening.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:32 pm

No Gustard and Jones to an extent though. Jones has the realistic choice of a few Saracens players.

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:36 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Was Borthwick previously coaching at the Saracens? If so then I did not know.

But in 2012 there was a strong contingent from Saracens, and in vital positions. Hodgson and Farrell controlled the game from 10 and 12. There was also Botha, Ashton, Strettle, Barritt and perhaps more? In Jones' starting team I think there might actually be less Sarries players than that.

Yes and the opening fixture in 2016 is actually a bit sweeter for your team, as the last time it was in Scotland on a very cold evening.

On a pitch being eaten by beasties.....

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Post by beshocked Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:40 pm

The Saracens gameplan is also more attacking than it was 3 years ago. Players that Lancaster brought in are more experienced.

Let's say that Eddie Jones goes with a Saracens core...

1.Vunipola (27 caps)
2.George (3 caps)
3.Cole (56 caps)
4.Launchbury (28 caps)
5.Kruis (10 caps)
6.Robshaw (43 caps)
7.Will Fraser (debut)
8.Vunipola (21 caps)

9.Care (53 caps)
10. Farrell (35 caps)
11.Nowell (10 caps
12.Hill (debut)
13.Joseph (16 caps)
14.Watson (15 caps)
15.Brown (43 caps)

16.Marler (37 caps)
17.Hartley (66 caps)
18.Brookes (15 caps)
19.Itoje (debut)
20.Ewers (debut)
21.Youngs (52 caps)
22.Ford (17 caps)
23. Burrell (12 caps)

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:46 pm

beshocked wrote:The Saracens gameplan is also more attacking than it was 3 years ago. Players that Lancaster brought in are more experienced.

Let's say that Eddie Jones goes with a Saracens core...

1.Vunipola (27 caps)
2.George (3 caps)
3.Cole (56 caps)
4.Launchbury (28 caps)
5.Kruis (10 caps)
6.Robshaw (43 caps)
7.Will Fraser (debut)
8.Vunipola (21 caps)

9.Care (53 caps)
10. Farrell (35 caps)
11.Nowell (10 caps
12.Hill (debut)
13.Joseph (16 caps)
14.Watson (15 caps)
15.Brown (43 caps)

16.Marler (37 caps)
17.Hartley (66 caps)
18.Brookes (15 caps)
19.Itoje (debut)
20.Ewers (debut)
21.Youngs (52 caps)
22.Ford (17 caps)
23. Burrell (12 caps)

That's the bones of a very good team.


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Post by mikey_dragon Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:50 pm

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
beshocked wrote:The Saracens gameplan is also more attacking than it was 3 years ago. Players that Lancaster brought in are more experienced.

Let's say that Eddie Jones goes with a Saracens core...

1.Vunipola (27 caps)
2.George (3 caps)
3.Cole (56 caps)
4.Launchbury (28 caps)
5.Kruis (10 caps)
6.Robshaw (43 caps)
7.Will Fraser (debut)
8.Vunipola (21 caps)

9.Care (53 caps)
10. Farrell (35 caps)
11.Nowell (10 caps
12.Hill (debut)
13.Joseph (16 caps)
14.Watson (15 caps)
15.Brown (43 caps)

16.Marler (37 caps)
17.Hartley (66 caps)
18.Brookes (15 caps)
19.Itoje (debut)
20.Ewers (debut)
21.Youngs (52 caps)
22.Ford (17 caps)
23. Burrell (12 caps)

That's the bones of a very good team.



Yeah it's not bad, but I think George and Farrell would more likely be on the bench? Is Fraser definitely the best open-side in England?

A good question is why would he not go for a Saracens core? They're probably the best club in Europe right now.

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:53 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
beshocked wrote:The Saracens gameplan is also more attacking than it was 3 years ago. Players that Lancaster brought in are more experienced.

Let's say that Eddie Jones goes with a Saracens core...

1.Vunipola (27 caps)
2.George (3 caps)
3.Cole (56 caps)
4.Launchbury (28 caps)
5.Kruis (10 caps)
6.Robshaw (43 caps)
7.Will Fraser (debut)
8.Vunipola (21 caps)

9.Care (53 caps)
10. Farrell (35 caps)
11.Nowell (10 caps
12.Hill (debut)
13.Joseph (16 caps)
14.Watson (15 caps)
15.Brown (43 caps)

16.Marler (37 caps)
17.Hartley (66 caps)
18.Brookes (15 caps)
19.Itoje (debut)
20.Ewers (debut)
21.Youngs (52 caps)
22.Ford (17 caps)
23. Burrell (12 caps)

That's the bones of a very good team.



Yeah it's not bad, but I think George and Farrell would more likely be on the bench? Is Fraser definitely the best open-side in England?

A good question is why would he not go for a Saracens core? They're probably the best club in Europe right now.

That's why I'm eager to see Duncan Taylor heavily involved in the Scotland backline. He's been playing well. As has Visser at Quinns and Jackson at Wasps.
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Post by funnyExiledScot Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:58 pm

Who is the Hill being proposed at 12?

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Post by BamBam Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:59 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:Who is the Hill being proposed at 12?

Sam Hill, plays 12 for Exeter

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Post by mikey_dragon Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:07 pm

And he's now seriously injured. You'd think Tuilagi will be back in the midfield.

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Post by beshocked Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:24 pm

Fraser is one of the only proper openside contenders in England. His biggest issue is staying fit, gets injured too much. The other main openside is Ksevic.

mikey dragon Hill is seriously injured? Are you sure you don't mean Slade?

Taylor is playing well but sadly he gets injured quite a bit too.

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Post by Exiledinborders Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:41 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:And he's now seriously injured. You'd think Tuilagi will be back in the midfield.
Far too soon. Maybe in the Summer along with Slade and Hughes.

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Post by Exiledinborders Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:47 pm

beshocked wrote:The Saracens gameplan is also more attacking than it was 3 years ago. Players that Lancaster brought in are more experienced.

Let's say that Eddie Jones goes with a Saracens core...

1.Vunipola (27 caps)
2.George (3 caps)
3.Cole (56 caps)
4.Launchbury (28 caps)
5.Kruis (10 caps)
6.Robshaw (43 caps)
7.Will Fraser (debut)
8.Vunipola (21 caps)

9.Care (53 caps)
10. Farrell (35 caps)
11.Nowell (10 caps
12.Hill (debut)
13.Joseph (16 caps)
14.Watson (15 caps)
15.Brown (43 caps)

16.Marler (37 caps)
17.Hartley (66 caps)
18.Brookes (15 caps)
19.Itoje (debut)
20.Ewers (debut)
21.Youngs (52 caps)
22.Ford (17 caps)
23. Burrell (12 caps)

I would play Youngs as SH. He seems back to his best. I am not convinced Nowell is an international quality wing however I liked him in the centre at the weekend.

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Post by lostinwales Wed Dec 16, 2015 5:24 pm

I dislike any talk of Tuilagi going straight back into the England team. He needs games to get back to form and prove he still has it. And we don't want him broke again.

I do really hope he has a long term future playing for England as in the dim and distant past when he was last playing for us he was something special, but I'd rather we wait until we know he can do it rather than pick him early based on hope and no evidence.

Summer is a possibility

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Post by bedfordwelsh Wed Dec 16, 2015 5:43 pm

beshocked wrote:The Saracens gameplan is also more attacking than it was 3 years ago. Players that Lancaster brought in are more experienced.

Let's say that Eddie Jones goes with a Saracens core...

1.Vunipola (27 caps)
2.George (3 caps)
3.Cole (56 caps)
4.Launchbury (28 caps)
5.Kruis (10 caps)
6.Robshaw (43 caps)
7.Will Fraser (debut)
8.Vunipola (21 caps)

9.Care (53 caps)
10. Farrell (35 caps)
11.Nowell (10 caps
12.Hill (debut)
13.Joseph (16 caps)
14.Watson (15 caps)
15.Brown (43 caps)

16.Marler (37 caps)
17.Hartley (66 caps)
18.Brookes (15 caps)
19.Itoje (debut)
20.Ewers (debut)
21.Youngs (52 caps)
22.Ford (17 caps)
23. Burrell (12 caps)

Well it worked for Gatland when he first started and he picked 13 Ospreys in his first Welsh side
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Post by BamBam Wed Dec 16, 2015 6:16 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:And he's now seriously injured. You'd think Tuilagi will be back in the midfield.

Thats Henry Slade mate, he usually plays 10 or 13 for Exeter, with Hill/Whitten competing at 12

Not sure if Hill is the best man for the 12 shirt right now, but he's definitely a talent

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Post by offload Wed Dec 16, 2015 6:38 pm

Well one thing is certain - it's going to be very interesting to see what approach Jones takes. Is he bound by the current EPS squad? I doubt it but not sure.

My guess is that he will bring much the same initial squad together as for the WC with a few tweaks. He'll then make changes after the competition as he starts to build. I still expect England to be a real threat in the 6N's.
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Post by mikey_dragon Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:05 pm

Ah yes, I did get Hill and Slade mixed up - must have worried you for a second.

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Post by lostinwales Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:17 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Ah yes, I did get Hill and Slade mixed up - must have worried you for a second.

Hill does have a hamstring injury apparently

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:01 pm

With that biting/headbutting psychopath as England captain I would say the odds of Scotland winning the opener have just improved.

Strange decision...
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Post by eirebilly Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:15 am

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:With that biting/headbutting psychopath as England captain I would say the odds of Scotland winning the opener have just improved.

Strange decision...

Why? Heartley never really performed when he was told to reign it in by Lancaster, he is a player that thrives on aggression. For all of his bans at club level, he has mainly shown a lot of controlled aggression at international level.

Jones will get England playing a more dynamic approach, which is why I cannot see Farrell starting at 10, and will be very quick around the ground.

To me, I see it as a fight between England and Wales for the top two spots.

Ireland, in my opinion, have regressed - been found out for their limited tactics, France under a new coach could play well or equally dire and Scotland are finally playing like Scotland should be (not playing to contain sides) under Cotter.

Italy, cant see anything but a winless 6N for them.

So based on current club form I would go for the following table at the end of the 6N.

England - on points
Wales
Scotland - sticking my head out here but believe Scotland will cause a few surprises
Ireland
France



Italy
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Post by bedfordwelsh Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:43 am

Hartleys disciplinary record for England is good its for the Saints he gets all his bans which subsequently leads to him missing England games.

I guess some will say that giving him the captaincy may be what he needs, give him focus, responsibility etc but again thats not always been the case for Saints.

It will be a gamble by Jones but one I wouldn't be surprised to see pay off.

Though with all that said wasn't there something come out the other day saying that his recent concussion injury might be carear threatening?
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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:40 pm

bedfordwelsh wrote:Hartleys disciplinary record for England is good its for the Saints he gets all his bans which subsequently leads to him missing England games.

I guess some will say that giving him the captaincy may be what he needs, give him focus, responsibility etc but again thats not always been the case for Saints.

It will be a gamble by Jones but one I wouldn't be surprised to see pay off.

Though with all that said wasn't there something come out the other day saying that his recent concussion injury might be carear threatening?

I would assume that if the talk of Jones looking at Hartley as captain is true, he will have spoken to Saints about the concussion situation and has been satified that Hartley will be back and playing very soon, he would have to be if he is to make the 6N.

A number of Hartleys bans have been farcical, the "headbutt" on George, he rested his head on him, if it had been a headbutt George would have had a broken nose at the least. the biting incident, what else could he have done, he was having his cheek wrapped around the top of his head and couldn't get an arm free to dislocate, I mean remove, the finger fish hooking him.
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Post by IanBru Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:29 pm

eirebilly wrote:Jones will get England playing a more dynamic approach, which is why I cannot see Farrell starting at 10, and will be very quick around the ground.
But this plays directly into Scotland's hands. Scotland want a fast-paced open game with a shed load of running. The RWC showed that Scotland were most in trouble from a hard-running power game best exhibited by the Boks.

When Japan kept it tight they gave Scotland some problems, but as soon as they tried to open up Scotland mullered them.

I'm not saying Scotland will win, but Scotland's chances are dramatically improved if England play the style Jones seems to prefer.
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Post by No 7&1/2 Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:39 pm

And the WC probably demonstrated England shouldn't have moved away from that same open style.

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:55 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:And the WC probably demonstrated England shouldn't have moved away from that same open style.

Agreed. The shift to ultra conservative rugby hampered England's attacking flair. I reckon the Scotland/England opener will be a cracker. Scotland at their strongest for about 20 years and a resurgent England with a new coach and a point to prove.

If the weather holds it has classic written all over it.
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Post by No 7&1/2 Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:01 pm

Hopefully!

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Post by eirebilly Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:08 pm

IanBru wrote:
eirebilly wrote:Jones will get England playing a more dynamic approach, which is why I cannot see Farrell starting at 10, and will be very quick around the ground.
But this plays directly into Scotland's hands. Scotland want a fast-paced open game with a shed load of running. The RWC showed that Scotland were most in trouble from a hard-running power game best exhibited by the Boks.

When Japan kept it tight they gave Scotland some problems, but as soon as they tried to open up Scotland mullered them.

I'm not saying Scotland will win, but Scotland's chances are dramatically improved if England play the style Jones seems to prefer.

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Post by lostinwales Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:12 pm

eirebilly wrote:
IanBru wrote:
eirebilly wrote:Jones will get England playing a more dynamic approach, which is why I cannot see Farrell starting at 10, and will be very quick around the ground.
But this plays directly into Scotland's hands. Scotland want a fast-paced open game with a shed load of running. The RWC showed that Scotland were most in trouble from a hard-running power game best exhibited by the Boks.

When Japan kept it tight they gave Scotland some problems, but as soon as they tried to open up Scotland mullered them.

I'm not saying Scotland will win, but Scotland's chances are dramatically improved if England play the style Jones seems to prefer.

Maybe I should have been clearer.

I believe that Scotland will beat England in the first match but England will beat the rest - 8 points
Wales will only lose to England but a close victory against Ireland will cost them - 8 points
Scotland will beat Ireland, France and Italy - 6 points
Ireland will beat France and Italy - 4 points
France will beat Italy - 2 points
Italy will win nothing - o points

England loses to scotland yet scotland only beats ireland, france and italy...

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Post by eirebilly Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:13 pm

Yeah lost, realised my mistake Very Happy
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Post by eirebilly Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:16 pm

Second try, sure if the beer may be wrecking my head early...

I believe that Scotland will beat England in the first match but England will beat the rest - 8 points
Wales will only lose to England but a close victory against Ireland will cost them - 8 points
Scotland will beat England, France and Italy - 6 points
Ireland will beat France, Scotland and Italy but close game with Scotland costs them 3rd place - 6 points
France will beat Italy - 2 points
Italy will win nothing - o points
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Post by Rory_Gallagher Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:57 pm

eirebilly wrote:

Ireland, in my opinion, have regressed - been found out for their limited tactics, France under a new coach could play well or equally dire and Scotland are finally playing like Scotland should be (not playing to contain sides) under Cotter.

Italy

Regressed from what, might I ask? The Kidney era?

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Post by eirebilly Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:02 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
eirebilly wrote:

Ireland, in my opinion, have regressed - been found out for their limited tactics, France under a new coach could play well or equally dire and Scotland are finally playing like Scotland should be (not playing to contain sides) under Cotter.

Italy

Regressed from what, might I ask? The Kidney era?

Nobody mentioned Kidney Rory, its an opinion and if you have nothing constructive to add to the debate then may I suggest you refrain from commenting? thumbsup
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Post by Student-A1 Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:12 pm

This is going to be a really interesting 6 nations, all coaches have something to prove.
England obviously new coach, teams performing well and huge optimism. But who knows.
Wales seem to adore Gatland but as an English fan I never wanted him for England. Has he really moved them on since 4 years ago. Almost has the feel he is super powerful at the WRU so untouchable. Will a new attack approach be adopted??
Ireland as has been mentioned above were so very limited and this was exposed by Argentina. Will they get away again playing kick and chase?
France I always tip and with the front row they have I find it hard to ignore them but it is so hard to judge. They have some true superstars and at some point they will click.
Scotland and Vern Cotter in particular is an interesting watch as last season he was almost given a free pass. This year after a good world cup you imagine the pundits won't be quite as kind. I do like the backline.
Italy, well fingers crossed they don't regress as I have a horrible feeling they will. Feel the other home nations need to try and really help them at club level as I believe a more competitive Italy is only good for the 6 nations.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:45 pm

eirebilly wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:
eirebilly wrote:

Ireland, in my opinion, have regressed - been found out for their limited tactics, France under a new coach could play well or equally dire and Scotland are finally playing like Scotland should be (not playing to contain sides) under Cotter.

Italy

Regressed from what, might I ask? The Kidney era?

Nobody mentioned Kidney Rory, its an opinion and if you have nothing constructive to add to the debate then may I suggest you refrain from commenting? thumbsup

I asked a genuine question, there is no need to be so rude. What have they regressed from?

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