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Champions Cup Pool 1: Toulouse v Ulster, 20 December

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Post by George Carlin Thu 17 Dec 2015, 6:39 am

 Champions Cup Pool 1: Toulouse v Ulster, 20 December Toulou10                  Champions Cup Pool 1: Toulouse v Ulster, 20 December Ulster13
Stade Toulousain v Ulster Rugby 
Sunday 20th December 2015
KO: 14:00
Stade Ernest Wallon, Toulouse

Live on beIN Sports / Sky Sports

Referee JP Doyle (England)
Touch Judge 1 Darren Gamage (England)
Touch Judge 2 Paul Burton (England)
Fourth Official Vincent Chiodi-Schroeder (France)
TMO David Grashoff (England)
Assessor Les Peard (Wales)
Citing Commissioner Buster White (England)

A. Head to Head

8 Played 8
3 Wins 4
4 Losses 3
1 Draws 1
171 Points 188

B. Recent Form

11 December 2015
Ulster 38 - 0 Toulouse

21 January 2007
Toulouse 28 - 13 Ulster

21 October 2006
Ulster 30 - 3 Toulouse

27 October 2000
Ulster Rugby 25 - 29 Toulouse

22 October 2000
Toulouse 35 - 35 Ulster Rugby

C. Teams

Stade Toulousain
Champions Cup Pool 1: Toulouse v Ulster, 20 December Poodle10
Alexis Palisson; Kunatani Kunabuli, Gael Fickou, Florian Fritz, Timoci Matanavou; Jean-Marc Doussain, Sébastien Bézy; Cyril Baille, Julien Marchand, Census Johnston, Gregory Lamboley, Yoann Maestri, Yacouba Camara, Thierry Dusautoir, Imanol Harinordoquy

Replacements: Christopher Tolofua, Gurthro Steenkamp, Gert Muller, Joe Tekori, Louis Picamoles, Gillian Galan, David Mele, Clément Poitrenaud

Ulster Rugby
Champions Cup Pool 1: Toulouse v Ulster, 20 December Irish-10
Louis Ludik; Andrew Trimble, Luke Marshall, Stuart McCloskey, Craig Gilroy; Paddy Jackson, Ruan Pienaar; Kyle McCall, Rory Best, Wiehahn Herbst; Alan O'Connor, Franco van der Merwe; Robbie Diack, Sean Reidy, Roger Wilson.

Replacements: Rob Herring, Andrew Warwick, Ricky Lutton, Lewis Stevenson, Nick Williams, Paul Marshall, Ian Humphreys, Rory Scholes.


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Post by Cyril Thu 17 Dec 2015, 9:28 am

C'mon Toulouse!!!!

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Thu 17 Dec 2015, 11:15 am

Big game for Ulster this, a win and their hopes of progressing to the knock-outs are very much alive, a defeat and they'll need a win at Sarries to go through (or maybe a draw if other things go their way?), which is a tough ask given how strong Sarries have looked so far this season.

Toulouse while not quite out of it look fairly disinterested so far this season, so Ulster certainly have a chance. Then again, French teams tend to be a different proposition at home...

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Post by marty2086 Thu 17 Dec 2015, 1:30 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:Big game for Ulster this, a win and their hopes of progressing to the knock-outs are very much alive, a defeat and they'll need a win at Sarries to go through (or maybe a draw if other things go their way?), which is a tough ask given how strong Sarries have looked so far this season.

Toulouse while not quite out of it look fairly disinterested so far this season, so Ulster certainly have a chance. Then again, French teams tend to be a different proposition at home...

It may all come down to Sarries approach to the Ulster game, they should confirm their qualification this weekend so may rest players for the final pool games. However they have a lot of competition for places and if they keep their undefeated streak up they will fight hard for that

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Post by rodders Thu 17 Dec 2015, 2:13 pm

Did a few teams qualify on 17 points last year? If we beat Oyonoux home and away with maximum points plus a bonus here and the allianz that should be enough.

A win here would be handy enough though!

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Post by Pete330v2 Thu 17 Dec 2015, 2:13 pm

I just hope we can repeat the performance. Toulouse will be looking for revenge for the nilling at Ravers but it's up to the Ulster lads raise their game yet again. I hope they can.

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Post by marty2086 Thu 17 Dec 2015, 2:35 pm

Saracens qualified with 17 last season and Toulouse missed out with 17. Ospreys currently have 10 points, Bath and Saints 8 and Stade 5 but with 10 tries scored to Ulsters 5 but Saints and Stade have both only played 2 games as well

The postponements make it hard to read

This weekend if Ulster can maintain the tempo from last week it will be half the battle but that probably means Pienaar and Jackson will get a lot of attention from Toulouses backrow

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Post by Notch Thu 17 Dec 2015, 3:02 pm

Cyril wrote:C'mon Toulouse!!!!

I wish them the best of luck, but I fear they are on the slide Wink
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Post by neilthom7 Fri 18 Dec 2015, 12:22 pm

Ulster Team
(15-9): L Ludik, A Trimble, L Marshall, S McCloskey, C Gilroy; P Jackson, R Pienaar;
(1-8): K McCall, R Best (captain), W Herbst, A O'Connor, F van der Merwe, R Diack, S Reidy, R Wilson;
Replacements (16-23): R Herring, A Warwick, R Lutton, L Stevenson, N Williams, P Marshall, I Humphreys, R Scholes.

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Post by neilthom7 Fri 18 Dec 2015, 12:23 pm

Wilson and Reidy come in Williams moves to bench and looks like Henry is rested all together no injury

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Post by Guest Fri 18 Dec 2015, 12:25 pm

No Henry. Is Henry injured? Whatever the reason, Henry is a big loss for this game.

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Post by marty2086 Fri 18 Dec 2015, 12:29 pm

Was Henry not rested a few weeks ago?


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Post by marty2086 Fri 18 Dec 2015, 1:40 pm

Toulouse team:

Alexis Palisson; Kunatani Kunabuli, Gael Fickou, Florian Fritz, Timoci Matanavou; Jean-Marc Doussain, Sébastien Bézy; Cyril Baille, Julien Marchand, Census Johnston, Gregory Lamboley, Yoann Maestri, Yacouba Camara, Thierry Dusautoir, Imanol Harinordoquy

Replacements: Christopher Tolofua, Gurthro Steenkamp, Gert Muller, Joe Tekori, Louis Picamoles, Gillian Galan, David Mele, Clément Poitrenaud

9 changes from Toulouse, McAllister and Flood both dropped completely and no fly half cover on the bench.

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Post by Guest Fri 18 Dec 2015, 2:22 pm

From the Irish Times:

CHRIS Henry will not be risked by Ulster as they prepare to face the Toulouse backlash on Sunday.

The Ulster flanker will sit out the trip to the south of France because of a slight shoulder injury. It’s understood that he could have played, but that Les Kiss has rested him ahead of a busy period.

His place is taken by Sean Reidy, while Roger Wilson replaces Nick Williams at number 8 in the only other change to the Ulster line-up.

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Post by neilthom7 Fri 18 Dec 2015, 3:43 pm

I think that might be a good decision if he is a doubt don't just throw him out there and hope he won't have any long term damage. Hopefully Reidy's improvement this year will continue but its a big loss

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Post by eirebilly Sat 19 Dec 2015, 9:30 am

I think Ulster stand a very good chance to win this and progress. The way they approached and played last weekend was outstanding, Toulouse may be on the slide somewhat but Ulster put them to sword brilliantly.

Absolutely correct decision to leave Henry out if he is not at full fitness.
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Post by doctor_grey Sat 19 Dec 2015, 10:55 am

Well certainly good luck to Ulster. These back to back fixtures seem to frequently have some very unpredictable results. Just get the win.........

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Post by toml Sat 19 Dec 2015, 8:53 pm

i just hope ulster try and play some rugby again

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Post by Guest Sun 20 Dec 2015, 12:57 pm

Well here goes. It's going to be tough but, if the forwards front up as the did last week, we have a chance.

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Post by George Carlin Sun 20 Dec 2015, 1:04 pm

Weather in Toulouse is supposed to be overcast and a bit damp but generally dry.

I honestly believe that Ulster will stuff them.
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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sun 20 Dec 2015, 1:11 pm

I hope the teams can adapt to Doyle's interpretation of the breakdown or this is going to be a penalty fest.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sun 20 Dec 2015, 1:33 pm

VDM is really enjoying hanging out in the wing and throwing hospital passes to the real wingers. What is that about?

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Post by neilthom7 Sun 20 Dec 2015, 1:45 pm

I'm very suprised nothing happened about that Jackson hit, it was well after he stopped, well after the whistle went and his back was turned it looked completely deliberate and could have really hurt him.

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Post by clivemcl Sun 20 Dec 2015, 2:24 pm

Warwick has been a bit disastrous. Rolled too many times and got turned over then seconds later gives away three points.

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Post by marty2086 Sun 20 Dec 2015, 2:27 pm

Thankfully McCalls back but Duisatoir was cynical there and should have went to the bin

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Post by JmD Sun 20 Dec 2015, 2:31 pm

No maul, Pienaar's knee went to ground instantly. Doyle has been really poor.

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Post by marty2086 Sun 20 Dec 2015, 2:38 pm

Thought the same, the forward pass looked flat too the 10 metre line was the give away

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Post by clivemcl Sun 20 Dec 2015, 2:41 pm

That is atrocious. Getting tgat lineout wrong. Shocking.

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Post by clivemcl Sun 20 Dec 2015, 2:42 pm

And yea, Pienaar was shoved back as he released the pass which gave the illusion of it being forward. Def flat.

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Post by Notch Sun 20 Dec 2015, 2:51 pm

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Post by Rugby Fan Sun 20 Dec 2015, 2:52 pm

Congratulations, Ulster.

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Post by George Carlin Sun 20 Dec 2015, 2:53 pm

Beating the Aristocrats home and away is something to be very proud of.

Could be a springboard for the rest of your season.
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Post by marty2086 Sun 20 Dec 2015, 2:54 pm

Stuart Barnes saying Ulster could finish best runners up, top spot is still possible

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Post by Notch Sun 20 Dec 2015, 2:54 pm

My God I can breathe again!

And we won by playing attacking rugby, scoring two good tries against the win! Thats the best thing. But what a squeaky bum experience.

Bring on Oyonnax home and away.
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Post by JmD Sun 20 Dec 2015, 2:55 pm

Doyle very poor all round (benefiting both sides at time), but what a win for Ulster! Just two weeks ago everyone was ready to write off the season, exactly what the doctor ordered!

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Post by BigGee Sun 20 Dec 2015, 2:56 pm

Well done Ulster, what a great win!

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Post by asoreleftshoulder Sun 20 Dec 2015, 3:03 pm

Great stuff Ulster,backing up last weeks win was important.It looks like Kiss has made an immediate impact and you're back playing good rugby again.

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Post by toml Sun 20 Dec 2015, 3:10 pm

How about that!
We wanted the Ulstermen to go over there and put in a performance and that was even better than I'd hoped for.
Paddy Jackson has got a licence to play rugby again and looks very impressive. McCloskey has to be in the box seat for an ireland start - he's our form man. Diack looks reinvigorated, O'connor and McCall look comfortable at that level and Trimble is returning to form.
Hopefully we keep building in the Pro12 too.
Excited to watch Ulster again, Thanks Les

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Congrats Ulster, great result! clap

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Post by Notch Sun 20 Dec 2015, 3:27 pm

Thankyou to everyone congratulating Ulster on this and last weeks result OK
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Post by Golden Sun 20 Dec 2015, 3:42 pm

Gotta say Jackson is a joy to watch. Hope he sees some games in green

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Post by Heaf Sun 20 Dec 2015, 3:47 pm

JP Doyle is honestly useless - got things wrong both ways - for balance, as an example the scrum penalty that ultimately led to Ulster's first try was the worst one I've seen in a long time - the Ulster 3 clearly loses his bind and then collapses under the Toulouse 1 and Doyle gives the penalty the wrong way - what a plonker.

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Post by Notch Sun 20 Dec 2015, 3:51 pm

Also the inexplicable decision to give us to a lineout in our 22 after we were the ones to put it out was crucial, although I think that was a touch judge call. But feck it, with their rolling maul I'll take that kind of mistake all day!

Pienaars pass to McCloskey was flat though- there's a 7-pointer gone due to poor mistake.

In any event, the refereeing at least managed to balance out and didn't unduly influence the result.
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Post by toml Sun 20 Dec 2015, 4:06 pm

Regardless of whether he had a good game or not... JP Doyle just comes across as a bit of a Tool

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Post by Heaf Sun 20 Dec 2015, 4:14 pm

That's my issue though with such poor officiating - you can never tell whether it influences the result or not as once a mistake is made everything from that point plays out differently - the line out call for example - what if Toulouse catch and drive and go over - or draw a penalty etc etc ... you just never know.

Tbh I think the mistakes sometimes do make a difference and some wins are down to lucky calls in a team's favour - I guess you just have to accept that as nothing's perfect and it's a difficult game to referee to be a bit fair to the officials.

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Post by Heaf Sun 20 Dec 2015, 4:16 pm

toml wrote:Regardless of whether he had a good game or not... JP Doyle just comes across as a bit of a Tool

That's a good point though ... I think I've never forgiven him for once red carding a London Irish player for something he 'thought' he saw but was later proved to be a perfectly legal tackle ...

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Post by marty2086 Sun 20 Dec 2015, 4:19 pm

The same goes for the Pienaar forward pass, he allowed play to continue in the first half despite a blatant forward pass for Scholes then stops play for McCloskey going through. He sees a replay and says he was right when he was wrong, Ulster get that and they could be looking at a bonus point try and putting a bit of extra pressure on Saracens for their game at Allianz

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Post by Heaf Sun 20 Dec 2015, 4:22 pm

I think he lives in a different reality to the rest of us ...

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