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Post by bedfordwelsh Mon 04 Jan 2016, 2:48 pm

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So well its getting close now and as ever injuries will play its part as it does in every season/tournament but whose out for your perspective Country at the moment?

For Wales the current list as far as I am aware (please amend where relavent) is:

Samson Lee (I think he's still out isn't he)
Jake Ball
Sam Warburton
Rhys Webb
Scott Williams
Tyler Morgan
Jack Dixon
Liam Williams
Leigh Halfpenny
Hallum Amos
Gareth Anscombe

I know there are some fringe players out as well or those that might have made squad etc but those are the ones who have been in squads of late, again if missed anyone please add.

Ball is out for about 10 weeks I believe but not sure and can be covered by AWJ, Chaerteris and Davies plus giving chance maybe to Thornton. If Lee is out then I guess Francis will get another shot with Jarvis,

Wilson has said Warburton nor Anscombe will be rushed back and if SW is out then the obvious replacement is Tipuric.

The dragons have said at least either Morgan and/or Amos should be back for the Castres game next week.

We know Scott Williams is out for the season as is most likely Halfpenny but Webb should be back before end of 6 nations, what about Liam Williams though any news from the Scarlets camp?

IMO and with those injuries in mind the are of the back 3 could be the biggest concern due to fact that not only is Halfpenny, Williams, Amos and Anscombe won't have much gametime the others such as North and Cuthbert are out of form.

So what back 3 could we see, is Tom James' form enough for a recall, what about Hook or Patchell at XV, what about giving young Hewitt a crack?

Thoughts guys.
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Post by Notch Tue 05 Jan 2016, 10:22 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/35235609?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_news_ni&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=northern_ireland
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Post by LordDowlais Thu 07 Jan 2016, 4:01 pm

Johnny May has now been ruled out for the entire season:-

http://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/35251292

Very unlucky for the kid.

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Post by BamBam Thu 07 Jan 2016, 4:09 pm

Yeah, bad news he was playing well too

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Post by Seagultaf Sun 10 Jan 2016, 10:17 am

It's been a long wet season to date and all teams are suffering from injuries. The Scarlets have 16 players unavailable for their clash with Conaght today, including: Liam and Scott Williams, Gareth Davies, Jake Ball, all of whom would be certainties in Wales squad plus Emyr Phillips and James Davies who were likely to feature on the fringes. At least Barkley is back, they played Cardiff without a flanker in the 23.

From a Wales perspective fringe players: Owen Williams and Rhys Gill look like being unavailable after yesterday's Aviva fixtures, due to injury and suspension also.

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Post by Poorfour Sun 10 Jan 2016, 10:27 am

Gill could be looking at a ban off the back of his red card at Quoins yesterday. Unlikely to get the maximum as it was careless rather than malicious, but will at least affect his 6N preparations. On the other hand, it means he won't be injured...
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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Sun 10 Jan 2016, 10:47 am

Kruis could be out of the start of the 6N, Sarries confirmed he has a concussion.
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Post by bedfordwelsh Sun 10 Jan 2016, 11:06 am

Poorfour wrote:Gill could be looking at a ban off the back of his red card at Quoins yesterday. Unlikely to get the maximum as it was careless rather than malicious, but will at least affect his 6N preparations. On the other hand, it means he won't be injured...

I like Gill but not sure whether he will be involved anyway. He was involved in last 6 Nations but wasn't then included in the WC set up so not sure which way Gatland will go with him.
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Post by wrfc1980 Sun 10 Jan 2016, 1:34 pm

Nowell now also confirmed out. That's bad news what with May Also out. Not sure who will partner Watson on the wing now for England?

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Post by bedfordwelsh Sun 10 Jan 2016, 1:41 pm

wrfc1980 wrote:Nowell now also confirmed out. That's bad news what with May Also out. Not sure who will partner Watson on the wing now for England?

wrfc,

Foden at XV Brown on the wing maybe Whistle Whistle Whistle
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Post by mikey_dragon Sun 10 Jan 2016, 3:57 pm

Brown and Ashton on the wings Smile.

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Post by bedfordwelsh Sun 10 Jan 2016, 3:59 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Brown and Ashton on the wings Smile.

That would do nicely
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Post by GeordieFalcon Sun 10 Jan 2016, 5:02 pm

ON todays performance...Lewington the London Irish winger should seriously be considered. His name has been mentioned last season aswell...now might be the time to check him out.

In a dire match he was the only one who showed real class. Pace, energy ...he is the type of player that just makes you think hes going to do something...and does!

Worth a look at the least.

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Post by Gwlad Sun 10 Jan 2016, 5:29 pm

I am assuming he will go with Ford at 10 but after that injury or not i hav eno clue

Ashton is on form but defensively is a shocker

Brown is off form and is prone to tantrum

Watson is a shoo in obviously.

Fact is we have no real clue who they'll play from 11-15

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sun 10 Jan 2016, 5:37 pm

Gwlad wrote: I am assuming he will go with Ford at 10 but after that injury or not i hav eno clue

Ashton is on form but defensively is a shocker

Brown is off form and is prone to tantrum

Watson is a shoo in obviously.

Fact is we have no real clue who they'll play from 11-15

Prone to tantrum....ha ha whatever mate..

Oh and he was much better yesterday..on his way back to form just in time for the 6n.

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Post by Gwlad Sun 10 Jan 2016, 5:48 pm

Brown gets very WUMMED very easily.

Sounds like if Manu stays fit he will be brought back at some point for the 6 Nations, in fact sooner rather than later maybe who knows. What is Eddie thinking?

Burrell is playing poorly; who are the likely centre and back 3?

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Post by bedfordwelsh Sun 10 Jan 2016, 5:50 pm

It seems that with Englands injury to the wings and our injuries at back 3 then god knows who could be lining up there for either side.
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Post by Gwlad Sun 10 Jan 2016, 6:11 pm

I'd get Manu back as soon as possible that's for sure

He has been the only world class back in England's line though i think Ford and Watson have the potential to be.

Brown could be if he sorts his head

I expect we'll see new blood coming in under Eddie but in a more consistent way.


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Post by GeordieFalcon Sun 10 Jan 2016, 6:16 pm

It wil be a massive mistake to bring Manu back so quickly.

JJ and Daly are just fine. Let Manu get settled for the season at Tigers.

And Brown doesn't get WUmmed? What are you on about?

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Post by Gwlad Sun 10 Jan 2016, 6:21 pm

England need Manu, he beat NZ

Joseph is ok but the rest, Barritt, etc just not in the same class

I'd add Slade to the mix for potential world class players.

Eddiie's acknowledged that England need to concentrate on their identity and play to their strengths i.e. a game based on the set piece and pack domination hence why harltey is going to be Capt

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Post by bedfordwelsh Sun 10 Jan 2016, 6:30 pm

So we could be looking at

Biggar Roberts JD v Ford Manu Joseph

That could be a very decent match up
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Post by GeordieFalcon Sun 10 Jan 2016, 6:32 pm

Did manu beat NZ single handedly? Wow he must be superhuman.

No England don't need Manu that he has to be rushed back risking further long term injury.
JJ has been great for England and Daly is quality.

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Post by bedfordwelsh Sun 10 Jan 2016, 6:34 pm

If Lancaster was still in place the I would imagine Manu would be in as soon as possible but with the new guy at the helm then I imagine he will want to look at a fair few options before he settles on his first choice.
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Post by majesticimperialman Sun 10 Jan 2016, 6:39 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Did manu beat NZ single handedly? Wow he must be superhuman.

No England don't need Manu that he has to be rushed back risking further long term injury.
JJ has been great for England and Daly is quality.


Geordie I totally agree with you England do not need Manu for the 6ns. He needs to get fully fit before even being considered for England.

England need to get away from this rushing players back from injurie before they are fully fit. Player welfare is paramount and not the national team.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sun 10 Jan 2016, 7:15 pm

I just don't get the clamour to rush him back in.

THe guy has been out for at least a year. His first game back off the bench for 20 mins where he was ok but little else...and suddenly he must be in the 6n squad?

We have 2 very good 13's and a few others aswell.

You just need to look at the world cup to see what happens when you rush players back.

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Sun 10 Jan 2016, 7:48 pm

The only clamour seems so be coming from West of Offas Dyke.
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Post by bedfordwelsh Sun 10 Jan 2016, 7:53 pm

I'd rather he wasn't rushed back but feel Jones will include at least, whether he starts first few games or not who knows.
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Post by LondonTiger Sun 10 Jan 2016, 7:54 pm

Manu will be in the Saxons squad.

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Post by lostinwales Sun 10 Jan 2016, 8:01 pm

A fit and firing Manu is a special player. But he has been out for such a long time he needs time to show he still has it and to get up to speed without more injury problems.

As everyone else is saying we need to forget about him for now

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Post by LondonTiger Sun 10 Jan 2016, 8:24 pm

lostinwales wrote:A fit and firing Manu is a special player. But he has been out for such a long time he needs time to show he still has it and to get up to speed without more injury problems.

As everyone else is saying we need to forget about him for now

agreed - but he will be named in the Saxon's squad.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sun 10 Jan 2016, 8:45 pm

Kruis and Launchbury off injured today. Let's see if they are serious or not.

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Post by nathan Sun 10 Jan 2016, 8:48 pm

Will there be any players left!

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sun 10 Jan 2016, 8:57 pm

Itoje lol..

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sun 10 Jan 2016, 9:22 pm

Launchbury went off with two head blows...so will follow concussion protocol as has kruis yesterday.

Isn't that 3 weeks?

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sun 10 Jan 2016, 9:22 pm

So it'll be Itoje and Kitchener v Scotland

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Post by Gwlad Sun 10 Jan 2016, 10:32 pm

LondonTiger wrote:Manu will be in the Saxons squad.

Manu is the only capped England back with proven world class quality. If he's fit he should play.

Many others have the potential but he is a class apart. England try players on a whim and then they disappear, new combinations get tried and yet the one class act game changing guy who really has an aura gets nursed back in?

Are these the same experts that said Burgess should get picked for RWC having played centre for 18 minutes in RWC before facing Wales? Shame they didn't ease him in isn't it. It is logical, therefore, to ease Manu in. i should know better.

If he is fit for Leicester he is fit for England. get him on the bench and give him 30 minutes v Scotland.

Makes no sense to leave him out, but then I think many fans are still thinking the way lancaster did. Jones is not that kind of chief, he will seek to bring him back asap. he isn't looking for well behaved and obedient schoolboys. He is looking for the inches.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Mon 11 Jan 2016, 11:17 am

But Joseph has shown that he has serious quality aswell at 13. Hes very different in style, but has had big impacts when hes played.

I think your being a bit one eyed saying Manu is the be all and end all. Either that or your just winding it up a bit as you have on some of the other threads... Wink

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Post by Poorfour Mon 11 Jan 2016, 12:32 pm

But Manu is not fit. He's just returned to play after 14 months injured and even his DoR said he wasn't match fit. He played 20 minutes off the bench and was solid at most. He will also be vulnerable to further injuries until he plays himself back in, and may be encouraged to play as a Nonu-style 12, which means he will have to learn new positioning and, well, how and when to pass the ball.

I can see why Welsh fans would want him rushed back into the squad. I also can't see a single good reason why Eddie Jones would risk him at this point.

It amuses me that people persist in seeing Brown as having temper issues. Yes, he's shouty and no, he doesn't back down. But how many times has that affected his performance or earned him a card?

Anyway, back to the real issue. Nowell now looks to be out for a while, Kruis and Launchbury on return to play protocols. Eddie may be beginning to understand why Lancaster kept changing his squad...
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Post by Mad for Chelsea Mon 11 Jan 2016, 12:38 pm

what's the latest on Nowell? Kruis and Launchbury will follow concussion protocols, so could be back fairly soon (i.e. 6N), or not. IF they're both out, and with Slater also injured, England's lock situation is a little bare.

On Manu, I'm just pleased he's back and playing. Shouldn't be rushed back into the England squad certainly, but... I've heard people say he shouldn't even be considered for the summer tours, which IMO is overly cautious, that's 5 months away! Let's see how he goes for Leicester in the coming few weeks/months, more than anything he needs to get some proper competitive rugby under his belt.

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Post by munkian Mon 11 Jan 2016, 12:47 pm

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Post by GeordieFalcon Mon 11 Jan 2016, 12:47 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:what's the latest on Nowell? Kruis and Launchbury will follow concussion protocols, so could be back fairly soon (i.e. 6N), or not. IF they're both out, and with Slater also injured, England's lock situation is a little bare.

On Manu, I'm just pleased he's back and playing. Shouldn't be rushed back into the England squad certainly, but... I've heard people say he shouldn't even be considered for the summer tours, which IMO is overly cautious, that's 5 months away! Let's see how he goes for Leicester in the coming few weeks/months, more than anything he needs to get some proper competitive rugby under his belt.

Yeah I did say that to be fair. Maybe it is too cautious maybe its treating it right.

I guess we'll know when we get there. Just fed up of seeing us rush players back from injury only to see them go out for even longer stints.

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Post by Dubbelyew L Overate Mon 11 Jan 2016, 4:57 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:what's the latest on Nowell? Kruis and Launchbury will follow concussion protocols, so could be back fairly soon (i.e. 6N), or not. IF they're both out, and with Slater also injured, England's lock situation is a little bare.

On Manu, I'm just pleased he's back and playing. Shouldn't be rushed back into the England squad certainly, but... I've heard people say he shouldn't even be considered for the summer tours, which IMO is overly cautious, that's 5 months away! Let's see how he goes for Leicester in the coming few weeks/months, more than anything he needs to get some proper competitive rugby under his belt.

There's no news on Jack yet - he'll be assessed this week and Exe are usually unforthcoming on injuries. However, it was his left knee that twisted, the same one that was rebuilt a couple of years ago, so there's obvious concerns.

He limped off the pitch without being being stretchered, though, and was in the bar on crutches after the game. Crutches isn't a good sign, but being in the bar rather than hospital/medical room is.

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Post by mikey_dragon Mon 11 Jan 2016, 11:18 pm

Ireland's injury list seems to be getting worse, but it could be a blessing in disguise seeing as the talk is that players like McGrath, Conan and Ruddock are playing better than the likes of Healy and Heaslip.

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Post by mikey_dragon Mon 11 Jan 2016, 11:19 pm

munkian wrote:I'd have Brown as Captain just to see the after match interviews The Annual 'Whose injured for 6 Nations' thread - Page 2 1347041234

He'd offer the reporter outside, but then probably run off when that reporter obliges. Geordie Falcon will then come on here and stick up for him Wink.

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Post by Gwlad Mon 11 Jan 2016, 11:39 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
munkian wrote:I'd have Brown as Captain just to see the after match interviews The Annual 'Whose injured for 6 Nations' thread - Page 2 1347041234

He'd offer the reporter outside, but then probably run off when that reporter obliges. Geordie Falcon will then come on here and stick up for him Wink.

Didn't he pout his way through an entire interview?

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Post by munkian Tue 12 Jan 2016, 8:18 am

Gwlad wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
munkian wrote:I'd have Brown as Captain just to see the after match interviews The Annual 'Whose injured for 6 Nations' thread - Page 2 1347041234

He'd offer the reporter outside, but then probably run off when that reporter obliges. Geordie Falcon will then come on here and stick up for him Wink.

Didn't he pout his way through an entire interview?

It wasn't pouting, it was passion mun Emo
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Post by GeordieFalcon Tue 12 Jan 2016, 8:40 am

Oh you didn't.....

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Post by bedfordwelsh Tue 12 Jan 2016, 8:58 pm

Reports suggest Anscombe, Amos and Faletau will all be available or selection this weekend with Warburton, Liam Williams and Tyler Morgan not far off being ready either.

That's a lot better news.
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Post by mikey_dragon Tue 12 Jan 2016, 9:40 pm

Just realised our first choice back-row has been injured. What a disaster that would be if they didn't make the first game!

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Post by bedfordwelsh Tue 12 Jan 2016, 9:44 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Just realised our first choice back-row has been injured. What a disaster that would be if they didn't make the first game!

Ssshhhhhhh, I don't think many others realised that lol. Hopefully Dan will show his usual recovery rate and well Taulupe will be fit he nevers misses a Wales does he Wink.

In all honesty I would like to see Moriarty get a good run this 6 Nations, we need a genuine back up to Faletau.
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Post by Gwlad Wed 13 Jan 2016, 1:48 am

bedfordwelsh wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:Just realised our first choice back-row has been injured. What a disaster that would be if they didn't make the first game!

Ssshhhhhhh, I don't think many others realised that lol.  Hopefully Dan will show his usual recovery rate and well Taulupe will be fit he nevers misses a Wales does he Wink.

In all honesty I would like to see Moriarty get a good run this 6 Nations, we need a genuine back up to Faletau.

I agree about Moriarty

he is the perfect 6/8 replacement with Tips on the bench

Cant he also cover lock?

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