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Post by sirbenson Wed 06 Jan 2016, 11:04 pm

First topic message reminder :

Selected RD 1 Tee Times
1 07:40 Felipe AGUILAR Raphaël JACQUELIN
1 07:50 Renato PARATORE Mikko ILONEN
1 08:00 Romain WATTEL Jaco VAN ZYL
1 08:10 Matthew SOUTHGATE Kiradech APHIBARNRAT
1 08:20 Ricardo GOUVEIA Padraig HARRINGTON
1 08:30 George COETZEE Pablo LARRAZÁBAL
1 08:40 Marcus FRASER Brandon STONE
1 08:50 Victor DUBUISSON David LIPSKY
1 09:00 Jorge CAMPILLO Julien QUESNE
1 09:10 Tommy FLEETWOOD Nacho ELVIRA
1 09:25 Joakim LAGERGREN Soomin LEE
1 09:35 Nicolas COLSAERTS Alejandro CAÑIZARES
1 09:45 Richard STERNE Byeong Hun AN
1 09:55 Charl SCHWARTZEL Grégory BOURDY
1 10:05 Rikard KARLBERG Alexander LEVY
1 10:15 Shane LOWRY David HORSEY
1 10:25 Bradley DREDGE Matthew FITZPATRICK
1 10:35 Richard BLAND Scott HEND
1 10:45 Francesco MOLINARI Andrew JOHNSTON
1 10:55 Thomas PIETERS Søren KJELDSEN
1 11:10 Sergio GARCIA Haotong LI
1 11:20 Thongchai JAIDEE Ross FISHER
1 11:30 Joost LUITEN Jeunghun WANG
1 11:40 Martin KAYMER Andy SULLIVAN
1 11:50 Lee WESTWOOD Bernd WIESBERGER
1 12:00 Thorbjørn OLESEN Chris WOOD
1 12:10 Louis OOSTHUIZEN Rafa CABRERA BELLO
1 12:20 Branden GRACE Tyrrell HATTON
1 12:30 Rory MCILROY Alex NOREN
1 12:40 Danny WILLETT Henrik STENSON


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Post by raycastleunited Wed 06 Jul 2016, 12:15 am

Yeah I'm surprised fowler isn't defending (although it is a different course), especially as the Open is in Scotland.

Maybe he'd seen the weather forecast? Wherever he was yesterday he was wearing t-shirt and shorts.

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Post by JAS Wed 06 Jul 2016, 7:36 am

I'm also surprised there hasn't been more late American entries with the Greenbrier being cancelled this week.
Has Castle Stuart been toughened up at all since the SO was last there in 2013?. I remember a few grumblings from some pros in 2012, 2013 that it was a bit of an "easy" test and not proper links.

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Post by 1GrumpyGolfer Wed 06 Jul 2016, 10:09 am

Mickelson probably thought it was perfect.

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Post by JAS Wed 06 Jul 2016, 10:20 am

1GrumpyGolfer wrote:Mickelson probably thought it was perfect.  

Certainly turned out that way for him in 2013

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Post by 1GrumpyGolfer Wed 06 Jul 2016, 5:00 pm

Do we know how close the Open field is to being finalized? Is it just a couple of spots to high placed finishers at the Scottish Open? Cheers, Grumps


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Post by kwinigolfer Wed 06 Jul 2016, 5:39 pm

Correct; Luke Donald has replaced Jaco Van Zyl, then four spots for the highest four finishers at the Scottish Open not currently qualified, so long as those four have a Top 12 result.
Summerhays first alternate, CHIII next.

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Post by GPB Wed 06 Jul 2016, 9:46 pm

JAS wrote:I'm also surprised there hasn't been more late American entries with the Greenbrier being cancelled this week.

I think entries closed on June 24th, which was the day before the Greenbrier was officially canceled.

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Post by I'm never wrong Thu 07 Jul 2016, 10:43 am

Looks a bit windy at Castle Stuart. 25 mph winds

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Post by I'm never wrong Thu 07 Jul 2016, 11:13 am

Someone just played a driver and a utility club for a 386 yard par 4. Still missed the green.

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Post by EmmDee57 Thu 07 Jul 2016, 11:31 am

I'm never wrong wrote:Someone just played a driver and a utility club for a 386 yard par 4. Still missed the green.

That's what I regularly do Smile

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Post by kwinigolfer Thu 07 Jul 2016, 11:39 am

JB Holmes was complaining he'd lost his clubs. Perhaps he's playing with a rental set - +8 over his first ten holes.

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Post by sirbenson Thu 07 Jul 2016, 12:21 pm

Good test for those in the field next week!

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Post by sirbenson Thu 07 Jul 2016, 12:22 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:JB Holmes was complaining he'd lost his clubs. Perhaps he's playing with a rental set - +8 over his first ten holes.


https://twitter.com/JBHolmesgolf/status/750780666694995970

Here you go Kwini! Not that it helped him at all!

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Post by sirbenson Thu 07 Jul 2016, 12:26 pm

Chris Wood has withdrawn before his tee time!

Neck injury

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Post by super_realist Thu 07 Jul 2016, 12:48 pm

Has anyone seen the cringeworthy video bites on the European Tour website where each player turns to the camera with their arms folded.

It was embarrassing and contrived during the 6 Nations and Rugby World Cup. Who at the ET decided what the tour needed to make it look better was an embarrassing, forced and uncomfortable piece to camera?

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Post by MontysMerkin Thu 07 Jul 2016, 12:52 pm

I like it. It's got that David Brent feel to it. And if it makes those pompous, know-it-all types feel uncomfortable then so much the better.
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Post by super_realist Thu 07 Jul 2016, 12:54 pm

I just don't understand why "folded arms" is seen as some sort of pre-requisite. People fold their arms when they're bored or disinterested. Kind of sums up the ET.
It just looks so un-natural.

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Post by MontysMerkin Thu 07 Jul 2016, 1:36 pm

It's to make use of video. They used to use a still of people then they turned to video. But you need them to do something. I would have thought a gurn would be more appropriate, but arm folding will have to do...
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Post by McLaren Thu 07 Jul 2016, 1:37 pm

Strange what some people find offensive.
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Post by super_realist Thu 07 Jul 2016, 3:35 pm

I don't find it offensive Mac, it just looks terrible, and what's worse is they've stolen off another sport where it also looked ridiculous. It's like some intro to the knobheaded male on "Take Me Out" or something. Shiversome.

Why not just have wallpaper/video of the guy in action, doing what we know them for, you know, playing golf. Wonder how many told the ET to get lost or just didn't turn up to the studio.

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Post by sirbenson Thu 07 Jul 2016, 7:33 pm

Great round from Paddy today!!

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Post by kwinigolfer Thu 07 Jul 2016, 7:36 pm

Makes sense that Padraig would play out of his skin on a day like that. About 9+ strokes ahead of the average afternoon scores!
Next time it's perfect conditions he'll be over par.

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Post by pedro Thu 07 Jul 2016, 10:24 pm

MontysMerkin wrote:I would have thought a gurn would be more appropriate, but arm folding will have to do...
Laugh Laugh

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Post by kwinigolfer Sat 09 Jul 2016, 1:43 pm

Castle Stuart golfers shooting lights out today - European Tour over-compensating for Thursday afternoon?

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Post by kwinigolfer Sat 09 Jul 2016, 3:32 pm

Not sure there's a better story this year, so far anyway, than Manassero's return to form.
What's the difference these past few weeks, anyone got a handle on it?

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Post by EmmDee57 Sat 09 Jul 2016, 6:46 pm

Great to see Matteo Manessero back playing well. Strange how he fell away so much in recent times. Feels like he's been around forever and he's still only 23 years old. They just said on Sky that he was ranked 25 after he won the BMW at Wentworth!!

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Post by kwinigolfer Tue 26 Jul 2016, 9:51 pm

Great news from the PGA Tour that next year's Irish Open, at Portstewart, will be in July, preceding the Scottish Open, and not May. No explanation of how that affects the "French" - perhaps there's an extra week available due to calendar quirks?
EDIT! The "calendar quirk" was this year  Doh  

But who is going to fill the hole in May??

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Post by GPB Wed 27 Jul 2016, 1:38 am

Looking at the entries for the Kings Cup, its hard to believe that the EuroTour is actually co-sanctioning this event.  

I counted 32 Europeans in the field, including one from Estonia and one from Albania.


Edit: Kwini: Guess that French Open of two weeks prior to the Open Championship was not as sacrosanct as Keith Pelley made it out to be.

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Post by kwinigolfer Wed 27 Jul 2016, 2:12 am

You may say that, but it may just be that the dates of the "Opens" permit the change.
Hopefully both Tours will learn from their respective stupidities.

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Post by GPB Wed 27 Jul 2016, 4:01 am

kwinigolfer wrote:You may say that, but it may just be that the dates of the "Opens" permit the change.
Hopefully both Tours will learn from their respective stupidities.

Back in 2014 there were 4 tournaments between the USOpen and Open Champ the French Open was conducted two weeks prior to the Open Championship.

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Post by kwinigolfer Wed 27 Jul 2016, 6:30 pm

So, Looks like they've switched the Irish & the French. Not knowing what the final schedule looks like for 2017, I imagine there's un bon raison for the French to change, possibly almost the same date but in different sequence.

Not happy with the choice of Torrance as a RC VC, big step backwards instead of looking forward by embracing a qualified French or Swedish candidate. Not good.

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Post by GPB Wed 27 Jul 2016, 8:16 pm

The GB&I Good ole Boy Network is alive and well.

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Post by kwinigolfer Thu 28 Jul 2016, 3:06 pm

Some good Challenge Tour fields this week (Michael Hoey etc in Ulster) and next, Robbie Karlsson's gig in Sweden - great to see them well supported.

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Post by sirbenson Thu 04 Aug 2016, 12:40 pm

Interesting to see that losers of RD 1 matches today get absolutely no money!

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Post by kwinigolfer Sun 07 Aug 2016, 3:02 pm

The TV guys were saying that's the longest wait between wins in the history of the European Tour, for Anthony Wall. Was hoping Noren would win, but a good result nonetheless.
Good tournament; Well Done to Paul Lawrie!

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Post by kwinigolfer Sun 21 Aug 2016, 12:40 pm

Coincidence that Pieters & Peterson are tied for the lead. While Lee Westwood goes backwards.

Looks like anyone's tournament, with golden oldies Howell & Karlsson chasing the leaders.

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Post by GPB Sun 21 Aug 2016, 1:31 pm

No wonder Daly went to play the Czech Open, with hole prizes like this one

https://twitter.com/EuropeanTour/status/767330078489403394

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Post by kwinigolfer Sun 21 Aug 2016, 1:43 pm

Difficult to believe that Matty Fitz won the brewskis . . . . .

Paul Peterson proving that there's more than two ways to succeed as an American golfer. A result like this will be has been a long time coming for him.

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Post by GPB Sun 21 Aug 2016, 1:50 pm

Difficult to believe that Matty Fitz is old enough to drink.

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Post by robopz Sun 21 Aug 2016, 5:12 pm

Wow... life changing win for Paul Peterson. I'd be lying if I said I saw THAT coming... but good on him... the guy seriously manned up at every key point it looked as if the moment was getting to him.

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Post by kwinigolfer Sun 21 Aug 2016, 6:13 pm

robo,
Peterson's been quietly plodding along under the radar in Asia and Europe for a couple of years now; guys like Koepka, Lipsky and now PP are ample evidence of college golfers being good enough to succeed in the sport if given the time to develop properly. Reckon that's healthy for golf on every Tour.
T20 at the MID last year, so could be one to watch next week too.

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Post by robopz Sun 21 Aug 2016, 7:21 pm

Kwini... I get what you are saying... the quality of golf on all these tours is pretty amazing these days. And I get what the progression thing as well.... Normally I can go back to a surprise winner and look at his line and see the trend towards the win. I just didn't see much in this guys resume to suggest he was ready for this kind of performance. His first rop-10 finish in a year at the Queen's Cup looked more like an outlier than a trend.

But hey... doesn't matter now. He's got two years of getting to set his own schedule to see what he's got. Good for him, hope he can make something out of it.

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Post by I'm never wrong Sun 21 Aug 2016, 7:54 pm

robopz wrote:He's got two years of getting to set his own schedule to see what he's got.
So did Richard Boxall get it wrong then when he said he was exempt through 2017? Surely he means the rest of the season, 2017 and 18?

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Post by kwinigolfer Sun 21 Aug 2016, 9:09 pm

Inw,
Boxall might well be right - the exemption, whether one year or two, depends upon the strength of field. This one might just be a one-year job, not sure.

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Post by robopz Sun 21 Aug 2016, 9:10 pm

Good question. I know winners of tournaments with a purse less than €1,500,000 are in a slightly lower exemption category (Czech Open is €1mil)... but I still thought they got the same two year exemption. But I could be wrong. Can someone here clarify?

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Post by robopz Sun 21 Aug 2016, 9:13 pm

PS... here's the Euro Tour exemption categories... but it doesn't specify years for wins... http://www.europeantour.com/europeantour/players/examptioncat/index.html

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Post by kwinigolfer Sun 21 Aug 2016, 9:26 pm

Circumstantially, the European Tour Entry Lists shows two-year exemptions for purses 1.5M Euros, one year for below.
And Peterson is on the one-year list now for the MID.

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Post by robopz Sun 21 Aug 2016, 9:28 pm

Hmmm... must be the money breakdown does make a difference.  Checking the 2014 Euro Tour winners... Madsen, Van der Walt, Aiken, Crespi, Brooks & Lundberg all won events with purses less than €1,500,000... and none of them are currently exempt via the winners of events with purses less than €1,500,000 category.  So it seems they only got 1 year exemptions.

(There were others smaller purse winners that won larger events or won another smaller purse in 2015 that are still exempt via winners categories. Coetzee for example won another small purse event in 2015)

Does anybody have a Euro Tour policy manual where all this stuff is spelled out?

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Post by GPB Sun 21 Aug 2016, 10:18 pm

FWIW, the Euro RC Team Qualifiers are set. No one can crash the Top Nine next week in Denmark.

Veterans: Rory, Rose, Stenson, Sergio
Rookies: Willett, RCB, Sullivan, Fitzpatrick, and Wood


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Post by I'm never wrong Mon 22 Aug 2016, 6:05 am

Didn't mean to create confusion, just wondered why Boxy said it. If there are one year exemptions I guess that's it. Ta everyone.

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