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Post by bogbrush Thu 21 Jan 2016, 1:13 pm

First topic message reminder :

Don't know where laverfan has gone but I'll step in

http://www.ausopen.com/en_AU/scores/schedule/index.html

Kyrgios v Berdych looks very intriguing!
Seppi gets his chance to make another shock v Djokovic; I'm not holding my breath
Some women are playing too.

But the big event for me is whether Federer can beat Dimitrov and become the first man to reach 300 Grand Slam match wins. Given he's one of only 6 men to pass 200 that's quite impressive!
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Post by bogbrush Fri 22 Jan 2016, 7:41 am

#300 in the books.
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Post by laverfan Fri 22 Jan 2016, 7:43 am

bogbrush wrote:But Simon Reed said its been "nigh on perfection for an hour and a half" from Federer.

Seriously, these guys are clinical idiots.

Quite. Where is Peter Fleming?

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Post by laverfan Fri 22 Jan 2016, 7:44 am

The Emirates lady is brave to be able to dodge hanging t-shirts, caps, tickets, tennis gear. clap

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Post by Guest Fri 22 Jan 2016, 7:49 am

I wish players would stop winning when I get to work!

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Post by laverfan Fri 22 Jan 2016, 7:49 am

G'night BB. Thanks for the company. rose

G'morn LKv2. Time for some shut-eye. Not impressed with the Old Man. Abysmal BP conversion.

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Post by Guest Fri 22 Jan 2016, 8:13 am

If he can still win ugly and unconvincingly for his fans it must be a good thing to an extent.

For the game, shows what a gulf in class there is between the top and the rest. It's alarming.

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Post by Josiah Maiestas Fri 22 Jan 2016, 8:27 am

The old Federer would have won this match in 3 easy sets against his flaky opponent. His ground game has declined so badly and still able to ease through the first 3 rounds. Usually Goffin has no chance but now...
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Post by Born Slippy Fri 22 Jan 2016, 8:33 am

Djokovic making Seppi look like an amateur so far.

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Post by Josiah Maiestas Fri 22 Jan 2016, 8:33 am

Still mystified how Federer lost to this Seppi last year..

Given the set up after 15 minutes!
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Post by coolpixel Fri 22 Jan 2016, 8:56 am

so can anyone see beyond Djokovic for the title? for that matter, can anyone see beyond him for most of the GS this year? he seems to be in the kind of form Federer had for a couple of years, a while back.


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Post by Jahu Fri 22 Jan 2016, 8:56 am

Josiah, He sold the match, you not been reading corruption news lately? Laugh
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Post by Jahu Fri 22 Jan 2016, 8:57 am

coolpixel wrote:so can anyone see beyond Djokovic for the title? for that matter, can anyone see beyond him for most of the GS this year? he seems to be in the kind of form Federer had for a couple of years,  a while back.

Think you need a free test at Specsavers, to see better Laugh
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Post by HM Murdock Fri 22 Jan 2016, 9:02 am

coolpixel wrote:so can anyone see beyond Djokovic for the title? for that matter, can anyone see beyond him for most of the GS this year? he seems to be in the kind of form Federer had for a couple of years,  a while back.
I think that this year may be Murray's year to win in Australia.

I'm pretty sure he'll make the final and I just can't see him losing 5 finals at the same event.

In fact, does that have any precedent?

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Post by coolpixel Fri 22 Jan 2016, 9:04 am

Jahu wrote:
coolpixel wrote:so can anyone see beyond Djokovic for the title? for that matter, can anyone see beyond him for most of the GS this year? he seems to be in the kind of form Federer had for a couple of years,  a while back.

Think you need a free test at Specsavers, to see better Laugh

do i? maybe you need to read better.

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Post by coolpixel Fri 22 Jan 2016, 9:24 am

HM Murdock wrote:
coolpixel wrote:so can anyone see beyond Djokovic for the title? for that matter, can anyone see beyond him for most of the GS this year? he seems to be in the kind of form Federer had for a couple of years,  a while back.
I think that this year may be Murray's year to win in Australia.

I'm pretty sure he'll make the final and I just can't see him losing 5 finals at the same event.

In fact, does that have any precedent?

HM, unfortunately i have a feeling Murray will not be winning many more slams and i doubt he can match Djokovic's current form.

this is not to put him down, but for one, he's too inconsistent - this is a perennial problem.

for another, and this is more important, i think he has motivation problems, now that his wife is expecting. he has gone on record saying that tennis will not be more important than his child.


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Post by bogbrush Fri 22 Jan 2016, 9:34 am

legendkillarV2 wrote:If he can still win ugly and unconvincingly for his fans it must be a good thing to an extent.

For the game, shows what a gulf in class there is between the top and the rest. It's alarming.
Well, that is only up to a point because the reason I like Federer is the level and style of play. I'm not a fan to such an extent of the man that I would enjoy watching him win ugly (at least not regularly).

EDIT: Sorry, missed your 2nd point. Absolutely! Depressing to see that Baby Grown Up Fed can't beat Old Fed.


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Post by bogbrush Fri 22 Jan 2016, 9:56 am

Incidentally, I think the Open Era GS match win record is held by Martina with 306, so yet another cake should be served up to Federer this year.

I must say thought that records which can be achieved by beating lower players can't be quite the same, even though they are obviously stood on top of so many wins against the best guys.
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Post by HM Murdock Fri 22 Jan 2016, 9:56 am

bogbrush wrote:Well, that is only up to a point because the reason I like Federer is the level and style of play. I'm not a fan to such an extent of the man that I would enjoy watching him win ugly (at least not regularly).
This is an outlook that keeps a person within the bounds of rationality.

It's one that I try to (but frequently fail) to follow myself.

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Post by bogbrush Fri 22 Jan 2016, 10:07 am

It isn't always automatic - the lines can get blurred very easily!
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Post by shivfan Fri 22 Jan 2016, 10:21 am

Serena looked very impressive in destroying Kastakina at one and one...into the third round.
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Post by Born Slippy Fri 22 Jan 2016, 10:26 am

Cilic in deep trouble against RBA.

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Post by monty junior Fri 22 Jan 2016, 10:36 am

coolpixel wrote:
HM Murdock wrote:
coolpixel wrote:so can anyone see beyond Djokovic for the title? for that matter, can anyone see beyond him for most of the GS this year? he seems to be in the kind of form Federer had for a couple of years,  a while back.
I think that this year may be Murray's year to win in Australia.

I'm pretty sure he'll make the final and I just can't see him losing 5 finals at the same event.

In fact, does that have any precedent?

HM, unfortunately  i have a feeling Murray will not be winning many more slams and i doubt he can match Djokovic's current form.

this is not to put him down, but for one, he's too inconsistent  - this is a perennial problem.

for another, and this is more important, i think he has motivation problems, now that his wife is expecting. he has gone on record saying that tennis will not be more important than his child.


The biggest problem for Murray is that the aggressive forehand he used in big finals 2012-2013 is completely gone it's back to just bunting the ball in and you simply won't win GS' playing that way. Coupled with this kind of spinnier "safer" serve he uses hasn't worked against Djokovic or Federer recently, in fact it's completely broken down. I'd love to see him win but if you struggle to put mid court balls away you aren't going to win against Djokovic.

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Post by monty junior Fri 22 Jan 2016, 10:36 am

Seppi, what a joke Rolling Eyes

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Post by Jahu Fri 22 Jan 2016, 10:42 am

Seppi like a septic tank, embarrasing, Djoko was not even trying.

Now I dont like Berdy one bit, but I want him to crush Kyrgios.
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Post by monty junior Fri 22 Jan 2016, 10:50 am

Yea i really try and take to Kyrgios but he makes it so hard, he just seems a pretty horrible bloke. Plus despite the age excuse he's hardly a tennis legend in the making.

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Post by slashermcguirk Fri 22 Jan 2016, 11:01 am

Hope berdych destroys Kyrios, he is such a turkey. Talks the big game and has achieved nothing, like that other clown Tomic. I also hate this 'oh they are so young etc.' no excuses for their pathetic behaviour on and off court.

On a seperate note, dimitrov falls short in another big match. Nice guy at least but not fulfilling his potential

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Post by monty junior Fri 22 Jan 2016, 11:10 am

Dimitrov hit 15 non service winners in 4 sets, 50 odd unforced errors, absolutely horrible performance.

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Post by bogbrush Fri 22 Jan 2016, 11:28 am

Anyone watching? Why's Berdbrain getting a bagel / breadstick set?
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Post by Born Slippy Fri 22 Jan 2016, 11:31 am

Not watching but sounds like Krygios has edged several close games in a row. Still quite even.

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Post by bogbrush Fri 22 Jan 2016, 11:46 am

He'd better watch it, if Kyrgios gets going he could do him.
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Post by Born Slippy Fri 22 Jan 2016, 11:54 am

Yeah, idiot though he is, Kyrgios is the only guy I can see challenging the top 4 over the next couple of years. Still think Berdy will edge this one though.

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Post by monty junior Fri 22 Jan 2016, 11:58 am

I don't see it, yea he has some weapons but he's such a headcase i think he'll end up with a Monfils like career plus his return and backhand are bang average.

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Post by slashermcguirk Fri 22 Jan 2016, 12:16 pm

Good man berdych, did us all a favour....Au revoir Kyrgios!

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Post by bogbrush Fri 22 Jan 2016, 12:18 pm

The Berd got him then.
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Post by laverfan Fri 22 Jan 2016, 1:02 pm

Surprising result for BA v Cilic.

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Post by Jahu Fri 22 Jan 2016, 1:17 pm

Well done Berdy (never thought I'd say this).



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Post by bogbrush Fri 22 Jan 2016, 1:46 pm

So, as the draw starts to develop I'm thinking.....

* interesting match between pusher & Djokovic in the next round.
* Federer v Berdych starts to look a probability in the qtr
* Federer, as it turned out, had a pretty tought draw after Rd 1
* 3rd quarter seems to have opened up easily for Stan
* Murray will have one competitive match before the semi, probably Ferrer. he'll be hoping for his Bunny Lopez to surprise them.

Djokovic v Federer / Berdych in semi 1, Stan v Murray looks nailed on for the 2nd
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Post by Guest Fri 22 Jan 2016, 1:53 pm

If Stan fudges this from this point onwards....

The youngest player left in the draw is 24 years young...

If ever tennis needed a kick in @rse...

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Post by HM Murdock Fri 22 Jan 2016, 2:05 pm

"Interesting" is rarely the right word to describe a Djokovic v Simon match!

Assuming Djokovic makes the QF, I think there may well be a decent match against whoever wins out of Nishikori or Tsonga. Both players, in their different ways, are capable of giving Djoko at least a scare.

Murray looks a cert for the SF but I think Raonic has a decent chance against Stan.

Fed has an odd draw. No match looks a huge danger in itself but the sequence has the potential to be tricky. In the sense that he may have an 80% chance of winning each one but 80% x 80% x 80% ends being around a 50/50 chance of winning all three.
(that's the Dimi-Goffin-Berdych sequence by the way. I'm not saying Fed has an 80% change against Djokovic!)

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Post by bogbrush Fri 22 Jan 2016, 2:40 pm

I think I can predict Fed v Djoko with 80% confidence.

Exactly on the compound probability.
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Post by lags72 Fri 22 Jan 2016, 2:45 pm

HM Murdock wrote:"Interesting" is rarely the right word to describe a Djokovic v Simon match!

Assuming Djokovic makes the QF, I think there may well be a decent match against whoever wins out of Nishikori or Tsonga. Both players, in their different ways, are capable of giving Djoko at least a scare.

Murray looks a cert for the SF but I think Raonic has a decent chance against Stan.

Fed has an odd draw. No match looks a huge danger in itself but the sequence has the potential to be tricky. In the sense that he may have an 80% chance of winning each one but 80% x 80% x 80% ends being around a 50/50 chance of winning all three.
(that's the Dimi-Goffin-Berdych sequence by the way. I'm not saying Fed has an 80% change against Djokovic!)

Raonic has improved to the point where he does indeed have a (more than ?) decent chance v Stan ; not least because Stan's 'non-spectacular' days can sometimes be very ordinary, as we have seen over the years.

Agree too re Fed v Djoko (assuming it comes to pass ....). Fed's chances are a lot less than 80%, sure !! At least his 4-6 h2h across their last ten matches is a better return than anyone else has been managing v Novak. But of course five sets remains the ultimate challenge.....

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Post by TRuffin Fri 22 Jan 2016, 4:45 pm

bogbrush wrote:*** COMMENTATOR HYPERBOLE ALERT ***

"Federer is moving quicker than ever before"



Stand up Mats Wilander and Simon Reed. The nominations have closed, you've taken the award early.

Funny, I came on here to comment that Feds decline in foot speed is becoming more and more evident.. especially to the forehand side. It's degrading his ground game big time. Inevitable of course with athletic age, and he's done well to compensate- but all this "playing better than ever" "quick as ever" is either people with amnesia or pure "commentator hyperbole" like you said.

That being said- or maybe it's the haze of watching tennis at 2 in the morning here- but I don't think it was as bad a performance as some are saying. Patchy sure, but there was some high level stuff there and some of his half volleys and pickups are beyond difficult to pull off and he made it look easy.

I do get though that he would need to step it up big time to have a chance at Djokovic. That's the problem- Fed can hit the level, but it doesn't look like he can sustain it anymore for long enough. Amazing he's still right there though, and I have a hard time seeing anyone take him out before semis.

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Post by temporary21 Fri 22 Jan 2016, 5:58 pm

legendkillarV2 wrote:If Stan fudges this from this point onwards....

The youngest player left in the draw is 24 years young...

If ever tennis needed a kick in @rse...

That is a worry. Though admittedly Nish and Ronic are 25 and 26, so it not quite as bad as it sounds.

Fed looked fair good to me. The main worry apart from dropping a set he shouldn't have, is hes looking a little easier to push around in a rally than before, which is absolutely fine for Goffin, but he does NOT want a long battle against Berdych

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Post by Jahu Fri 22 Jan 2016, 6:04 pm

If Fed serves like he did on the first match, he can beat Djoko too.

He can't keep that serve every match, but getting to play Djoko on the SF, will be less pressure for Fed than on a Final, knowing that he can probably beat who ever is on the other side on the Final Smile
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Post by Born Slippy Fri 22 Jan 2016, 9:53 pm

Have to say, in a night match on a court like this, I think Fed will be toast against Novak, even if he plays his absolute best current level.

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Post by Josiah Maiestas Fri 22 Jan 2016, 10:53 pm

Jahu wrote:Josiah, He sold the match, you not been reading corruption news lately? Laugh

Federer sold the match to Seppi or Seppi sold his match to Djoke? chin

Last year was very fishy to say the least.
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Post by Born Slippy Fri 22 Jan 2016, 10:57 pm

legendkillarV2 wrote:If Stan fudges this from this point onwards....

The youngest player left in the draw is 24 years young...

If ever tennis needed a kick in @rse...

Tomic is 23 (unless you believe the rumours).


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Post by HM Murdock Fri 22 Jan 2016, 11:05 pm

Born Slippy wrote:Have to say, in a night match on a court like this, I think Fed will be toast against Novak, even if he plays his absolute best current level.  
With the possible exception of Miami, is there a hard court in the world where the Djokovic-Federer match up is more in Novak's favour than RLA?

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Post by Jahu Fri 22 Jan 2016, 11:12 pm

This Catherine Whitaker on ES UK (never seen her before), what a braziers quality lady, yum.

Maclagan salivating over her on the Studio.

Back to tennis now Smile


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Post by Born Slippy Fri 22 Jan 2016, 11:29 pm

HM Murdock wrote:
Born Slippy wrote:Have to say, in a night match on a court like this, I think Fed will be toast against Novak, even if he plays his absolute best current level.  
With the possible exception of Miami, is there a hard court in the world where the Djokovic-Federer match up is more in Novak's favour than RLA?

Miami and IW would generally be more favourable. Effectively most courts where Fed generally isn't getting far enough to meet Novak any more!

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