Tyson Fury Racism

Saw the interview Fury did on American TV where he claimed that those from the Gypsy community are racially persecuted in the UK and Europe. He apparently claimed that he and his wife have been refused entry to Restaurants and Movie Theatres due to being Gypsies. Anybody else aware of this type of treatment? I had no idea that anything like that happened.

Pound-for-Pound wrote:Saw the interview Fury did on American TV where he claimed that those from the Gypsy community are racially persecuted in the UK and Europe. He apparently claimed that he and his wife have been refused entry to Restaurants and Movie Theatres due to being Gypsies. Anybody else aware of this type of treatment? I had no idea that anything like that happened.

I think its BS, how would anyone know if he was a gypsy, what's he do roll up in a caravan or a horse and cart.

More likely he's been refused entry just for being a cretin.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:More likely he's been refused entry just for being a cretin.

That would be nearer to the truth.

Sick of Fury using the Gypsy card like some sort of victim.

There have been plenty of gypsy boxers in the past who have carved out a nice boxing career without damage to their reputation, Gary Buckland, Billie Jo Saunders, Willie Casey and Andy Lee to name a few.....

People don't like Fury because of the way he gets on and his attitude to certain sections of the community, he isn't the victim, the only victims are the ones on the end of his next attention seeking rant

Bigot and homophobe moans about racism...Let's get the violins..

But when will these sensitive restaurants realise that by trashing these places..gypsies are registering their approval...

I'd like to see the confusion of Fury's face when they start smashing plates in a Greek restaurant.

"They can't ALL have been refused entry can they?"

Perhaps if him and his friends hadn't tried stealing from the local businesses they may have been let in.

Caravans in the area usually mean stolen dogs, machinery, cars and fighting. That is an unequivocal fact.

Wouldn't be the first time the race card has been played erroneously.


Besides, gypsy isn't a race, especially not the Irish one, it's a lifestyle choice. No different to being a goth or horrendously overweight or a smoker etc etc.

Fury seems to be more hated than Khan on here.

I've actually grown to like and respect him. Don't really have issue with the comments he made which he was slated for (albeit I don't share or support his views). Just don't like the race card or the notion that things that aren't races get labelled as such to protect them from valid objective criticism.

I actually fully agree with you. I don't agree with his silly views, but for some reason I like/respect the man.

How do people know he is Gypsy???

Him and his wife look like your average white couple.

Unless they went black face..

then I could understand.

He is famous? Maybe were he lives, he is well known? Perhaps his accent??

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:How do people know he is Gypsy???

Him and his wife look like your average white couple.

Unless they went black face..

then I could understand.

What has gypsy got to do with skin colour??

I agree with what others have said that living a gypsy life is a choice.

However I don't understand people not believing Fury saying he's been persecuted in the past. Gypsies / do as you likeys are never liked in their surrounding community. I generally believe if you don't think he's persecuted you can't live near them or had experiences with them?

In saying that, people are wary of them for a very good reason in my opinion. I'll probably get in trouble for this but 100% true.

I think people are taking the term 'racism' too literally. True 'Gypsy' is not a race. Gypsies are an ethnic group, however, and the term 'racism' is generally extended to include ethnic discrimination.

Being a gypsy isn't a lifestyle choice. Living in a caravan is a lifestyle choice. Do people who go holidaying in caravans become gypsies for two weeks a year? No. Therefore, if a gypsy moves into a house, they are still a gypsy, at least from an ethnic standpoint.

That said, while I've no doubt that Fury has faced some ethnic discrimination, I could easily imagine that he more frequently gets turned away from restaurants for being a bit of a Muppet.

Well this one has potential to go well.

If we can all reign in our inner Daily Mail reader that would be much appreciated. Or if you can't at least have the courtesy not to whinge when your posts start disappearing.

jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote:I think people are taking the term 'racism' too literally. True 'Gypsy' is not a race. Gypsies are an ethnic group, however, and the term 'racism' is generally extended to include ethnic discrimination.

Being a gypsy isn't a lifestyle choice. Living in a caravan is a lifestyle choice. Do people who go holidaying in caravans become gypsies for two weeks a year? No. Therefore, if a gypsy moves into a house, they are still a gypsy, at least from an ethnic standpoint.

That said, while I've no doubt that Fury has faced some ethnic discrimination, I could easily imagine that he more frequently gets turned away from restaurants for being a bit of a Muppet.

Romany gypsy is, just about, an ethnic group.

Irish traveller (Fury) is certianly nothing more than a lifestyle choice.

Fury was probably refused entry to the cinema on the grounds that the plot may prove too complex for him. Still, he can always wait for the Peanuts movie to come out on Blu Ray

TopHat24/7 wrote:

jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote:I think people are taking the term 'racism' too literally. True 'Gypsy' is not a race. Gypsies are an ethnic group, however, and the term 'racism' is generally extended to include ethnic discrimination.

Being a gypsy isn't a lifestyle choice. Living in a caravan is a lifestyle choice. Do people who go holidaying in caravans become gypsies for two weeks a year? No. Therefore, if a gypsy moves into a house, they are still a gypsy, at least from an ethnic standpoint.

That said, while I've no doubt that Fury has faced some ethnic discrimination, I could easily imagine that he more frequently gets turned away from restaurants for being a bit of a Muppet.

Romany gypsy is, just about, an ethnic group.

Irish traveller (Fury) is certianly nothing more than a lifestyle choice.  

I don't quite understand how Irish Travellers would not be an ethnic group if Romany gypsies are. Regardless, the ONS begs to differ with you.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote:I think people are taking the term 'racism' too literally. True 'Gypsy' is not a race. Gypsies are an ethnic group, however, and the term 'racism' is generally extended to include ethnic discrimination.

Being a gypsy isn't a lifestyle choice. Living in a caravan is a lifestyle choice. Do people who go holidaying in caravans become gypsies for two weeks a year? No. Therefore, if a gypsy moves into a house, they are still a gypsy, at least from an ethnic standpoint.

That said, while I've no doubt that Fury has faced some ethnic discrimination, I could easily imagine that he more frequently gets turned away from restaurants for being a bit of a Muppet.

Romany gypsy is, just about, an ethnic group.

Irish traveller (Fury) is certianly nothing more than a lifestyle choice.  

How do you come to that conclusion? Do you really think that back in the day people had to much money, a nice house and didn't feel persecuted enough that they decided to become Irish traveller/gypsy's? Do you consider Jews or Kurds an ethnic group or just a chosen lifestyle.

jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote:I think people are taking the term 'racism' too literally. True 'Gypsy' is not a race. Gypsies are an ethnic group, however, and the term 'racism' is generally extended to include ethnic discrimination.

Being a gypsy isn't a lifestyle choice. Living in a caravan is a lifestyle choice. Do people who go holidaying in caravans become gypsies for two weeks a year? No. Therefore, if a gypsy moves into a house, they are still a gypsy, at least from an ethnic standpoint.

That said, while I've no doubt that Fury has faced some ethnic discrimination, I could easily imagine that he more frequently gets turned away from restaurants for being a bit of a Muppet.

Romany gypsy is, just about, an ethnic group.

Irish traveller (Fury) is certianly nothing more than a lifestyle choice.  

I don't quite understand how Irish Travellers would not be an ethnic group if Romany gypsies are. Regardless, the ONS begs to differ with you.

Irish travellers' ethnicity is Irish. Not 'traveller' which is their chosen mode of living.

Romany gypsies (as in of Romania) are a fairly distinct ethnic group.

sohotnot wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote:I think people are taking the term 'racism' too literally. True 'Gypsy' is not a race. Gypsies are an ethnic group, however, and the term 'racism' is generally extended to include ethnic discrimination.

Being a gypsy isn't a lifestyle choice. Living in a caravan is a lifestyle choice. Do people who go holidaying in caravans become gypsies for two weeks a year? No. Therefore, if a gypsy moves into a house, they are still a gypsy, at least from an ethnic standpoint.

That said, while I've no doubt that Fury has faced some ethnic discrimination, I could easily imagine that he more frequently gets turned away from restaurants for being a bit of a Muppet.

Romany gypsy is, just about, an ethnic group.

Irish traveller (Fury) is certianly nothing more than a lifestyle choice.  

How do you come to that conclusion? Do you really think that back in the day people had to much money, a nice house and didn't feel persecuted enough that they decided to become Irish traveller/gypsy's? Do you consider Jews or Kurds an ethnic group or just a chosen lifestyle.

Jewish (or any religion) is also a lifestyle choice, yes. A choice to live by a set of rules and/or customs. Wholly different from skin colour, gender, sexual orientation, age etc.

Irish travellers have chosen a particular mode of existance. There is nothing in their genetic make up that determines it, it is not related to a factor they cannot control such as their place of birth.

What race are hoboes?

superflyweight wrote:What race are hoboes?

Canine? Small ones are anyway.

They are born into a culture so you could say at a certain age, 18 perhaps, that they could walk away from it. My point was more down to the situations that people found themselves in that spawned the Irish traveller/gypsy ethnic/cultural group. The Jews do not share any ethnic trait that makes them jewish. I was just interested in your opinions. Kurds are another persecuted ethnic/cultural group, but what what makes them Kurds?

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

superflyweight wrote:What race are hoboes?

Canine?  Small ones are anyway.

Thanks Tina - that's what I thought.

superflyweight wrote:

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

superflyweight wrote:What race are hoboes?

Canine?  Small ones are anyway.

Thanks Tina - that's what I thought.  

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