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Post by McLaren Thu 25 Feb 2016, 11:42 am

First topic message reminder :

Super

For starters I live in a one bedroom flat. But I think you know that it should not take the people of a nation putting refugees up in their house before the government is required to do anything about it.

For example the government could easily rent 50 premier inns and put the refugees there until they can be given homes.


"Of course it matters. They have a far greater responsibility than the UK does"

So you are saying that because those countries closer to Syria have neglected their responsibilities the UK has the right to do nothing? You are saying that one country doing nothing is sufficient for another country to justify doing nothing?


bob

WTF was that?
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Post by Nay Mon 28 Mar 2016, 4:23 pm

Just becoming one of thise boring golfers who realises that driver of the tee is not always the best option.

Cheers for the advice on ebay, much appreciated

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Post by McLaren Mon 28 Mar 2016, 4:58 pm

Super

I thought your 3 wood was your go to club? What happened?


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Post by super_realist Mon 28 Mar 2016, 7:22 pm

3 Wood is the go to club Mac and still is, but it goes an absolute mile. So would be too far for the 3 Iron length of shot. 3 iron is about the 210 yards shot Mac, 3 wood goes a lot further, I have an additional 19 deg rescue that's not been in the bag for a while, so might give that a go again.

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Post by McLaren Mon 28 Mar 2016, 8:11 pm

Sorry misread your post as 3 wood off the deck.


Surely a hybrid is the club to replace a struggling long iron?


I constantly think about going hybrid from 5 iron and up.
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Post by super_realist Tue 29 Mar 2016, 7:54 am

Perhaps Mac, just what type of hybrid, one like my 16 deg Halo, or one more like a driving iron?

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Post by raycastleunited Tue 29 Mar 2016, 9:04 am

What's a Halo? Not heard of that

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Post by super_realist Tue 29 Mar 2016, 9:08 am

raycastleunited wrote:What's a Halo? Not heard of that

Fairly ancient rescue I have Ray. Cleveland Halo, Had it for about 10 years and plays with a beautiful draw most of the time.

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Post by raycastleunited Tue 29 Mar 2016, 9:35 am

Ancient hybrid, nice! I'm still playing a 10 year old taylormade rescue

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Post by McLaren Tue 29 Mar 2016, 10:23 am

Super

Just the usual hybrid style. Not a driving iron.

Although it seems you have a hybrid sitting at home that is fit for the job so maybe just put it back in the bag and see how it goes.
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Post by super_realist Tue 29 Mar 2016, 10:26 am

Yeah, forgot I had it to be honest Mac, annoying thing is that it has the same shaft and is the same model as the other one, but nowhere near as reliable. Will make it my 15th Club at the weekend and see how it flies.

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Post by hend085 Tue 29 Mar 2016, 10:37 am

LL Cool Nay wrote:Just becoming one of thise boring golfers who realises that driver of the tee is not always the best option.

Cheers for the advice on ebay, much appreciated

golfbidder is a pretty good option too .

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Post by McLaren Tue 29 Mar 2016, 10:43 am

Hybrids save my ass all the time. I am a terrible long iron player (although probably just average for a single figure player but it feels bad) and rely heavily on my two hybrids for shots in the 190 to 220 region. Can't imagine I will go back to 2 and 3 irons unless I can find a way to massively improve my ball striking with the longer irons.
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Post by Bob_the_Job Tue 29 Mar 2016, 10:46 am

I got fitted for a new driver last week (which I didn't buy in the end.. yet) - using the Trackman systems. It was very interesting. The pro reckoned my numbers (averaged over 6 drives) were all pretty good with one big exception - a spin rate of 1568 rpm.

The current theory is spin should be up around 2,500 to 3,000 rpm because otherwise it hurts the carry. The interesting part was I tried 3 new drivers (Taylormade M2, Ping G, Callaway XR) with both regular and stiff shafts. The Ping just didn't work for me at all and was discarded. With some tweaking, the M2 improved the spin rate a bit but not dramatically. The XR got the spin rate well up to about 2,400 but defied the logic, and did not really improve the carry - hence why I didn't buy it but I am going to take the demo out onto the course.

There were a couple of balls left at the end of the session, so I pulled the 3 wood and hit 3 shots what were within a yard or two on carry compared to the driver. Silly game.
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Post by JAS Wed 30 Mar 2016, 7:01 am

Did I just hear the news correctly?? Tories considering taking Port Talbot steelworks under state control? Being cynical, we'll pay for it and at some point down the line they'll sell it off cheap to their mates. To be honest though that's a better fate than letting it close.

As for Tata...their bottom line is to make profit, I get that. However, taking stakes in key industries brings with it a certain responsibility. By letting the steel industry go private we opened ourselves up for this. If we let all our steelworks close, by the time the market changes and the next upturn comes we will have no steel industry and have to import and therefore be at the mercy of other steelmakers. Now Tata quite rightly don't give a Poopie about that, why should they? HOWEVER...and this is where our government could grow a pair of balls, Tata is a multinational conglomerate with fingers in many pies. For example their I.T. consultancy arm TCS. TCS have wormed their way into many government I.T. contracts, bringing over cheap Indian consultants to undercut British workers, in many cases they then take the jobs offshore to further enhance their margins. Basically they make a tidy profit off the back of the UK government and many other private contracts. Now we come to the big question...the Google question...how much Corporation Tax do they pay in this country?? I would bet my house it's not 20% of their profits. So...if I were a govt minister, I'd buy Port Talbot off them for a nominal fee and then tell them to pay all the Corp back Tax they've been due, terminate all their govt I.T. contracts and tell them to GTF out!!

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Post by super_realist Wed 30 Mar 2016, 7:54 am

JAS, Tata own Jaguar Land Rover too (and Tetley tea), so no government is going to try and bully Tata into anything.

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Post by JAS Wed 30 Mar 2016, 8:08 am

super_realist wrote:JAS, Tata own Jaguar Land Rover too (and Tetley tea), so no government is going to try and bully Tata into anything.

So basically they have the gullible British taxpayer over a barrel, remind me how we let this happen again?

...and there's a big big difference between bullying and demanding that due tax is paid.

If there's a difference between Corporation Tax due and Corporation Tax paid then ANY company in that position should NOT be allowed to bid for govt contracts...period. That's not bullying that's standing up for other taxpayers who would have to shoulder the burden caused by the avoidance. If a company like Tata don't like that and decide to play silly buggers with the likes of Jag & Land Rover someone would step in especially if they are profitable, if they're not profitable Tata would already have dumped them. Jesus, we're thinking of pulling out the EU and we can't stand up to a leechy little Indian industrialist.

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Post by super_realist Wed 30 Mar 2016, 8:12 am

You don't know if they are paying their corporation tax or not.

I'd rather Tata ran the steel industry for 10 years than the steel went out of business 10 years ago.
Same for Jag and Land Rover, they've turned them from a basket case under Ford into one of Europe's most prestigeous and successful car makers.

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Post by MontysMerkin Wed 30 Mar 2016, 9:26 am

JAS wrote:
super_realist wrote:JAS, Tata own Jaguar Land Rover too (and Tetley tea), so no government is going to try and bully Tata into anything.

So basically they have the gullible British taxpayer over a barrel, remind me how we let this happen again?

Voting Tory?
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Post by super_realist Wed 30 Mar 2016, 9:30 am

Yeah, because all those industries were so successful under public ownership weren't they?

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Post by raycastleunited Wed 30 Mar 2016, 10:37 am

JAS that's a sweeping generalisation when you don't have any facts about how much tax Tata is paying in the UK.

Tata have completely turned around JLR. It's currently a massive success story, I imagine JLR is paying its fair share of tax.

The Tata family have a strong reputation for operating in an ethical manner, treating employees well, and taking a long term view. Most British Steel employees I know spoke glowingly about the improvements and investment under Tata. Ultimately Port Talbot is a dog and has been propped up for too long already.

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Post by super_realist Wed 30 Mar 2016, 10:43 am

Well said Ray, as a Jag driver, I'm delighted by Tata's helming of such a great brand.

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Post by SmithersJones Wed 30 Mar 2016, 11:21 am

And as a Tetley tea drinker I concur!
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Post by super_realist Wed 30 Mar 2016, 11:26 am

Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh

Seriously though, companies exist to make money, not be a social service

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Post by raycastleunited Wed 30 Mar 2016, 11:34 am

I've heard that Tata is the largest private sector employer in the UK. They've invested billions in the UK economy and saved thousands of jobs. They've also made a number of long term commitments to UK growth. But yeah the government should tell them to GTF out because they're able to offer IT contracts at cheaper rates.

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Post by McLaren Wed 30 Mar 2016, 11:51 am

We seemed to be ok with the government owning banks to keep the banking system going. Why complain when the government keeps a steel plant going until someone else wants it?

The world is going to need steel again at some point.
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Post by SmithersJones Wed 30 Mar 2016, 12:13 pm

Super, was it one of your mates who posed for a photo with the least scary looking hijacker in history?
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Post by MontysMerkin Wed 30 Mar 2016, 12:25 pm

super_realist wrote:Yeah, because all those industries were so successful under public ownership weren't they?
And a blinding job the private sector has done. Not.
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Post by super_realist Wed 30 Mar 2016, 12:54 pm

SmithersJones wrote:Super, was it one of your mates who posed for a photo with the least scary looking hijacker in history?

I'm amazed that no one charged and beat the "terrorist" up. He's the least intimidating man I could imagine

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Post by super_realist Wed 30 Mar 2016, 12:55 pm

MontysMerkin wrote:
super_realist wrote:Yeah, because all those industries were so successful under public ownership weren't they?
And a blinding job the private sector has done. Not.

A lot better than the likes of British Leyland, British Steel, British Telecom, British Gas etc did in public ownership.

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Post by MontysMerkin Wed 30 Mar 2016, 1:16 pm

By what measure?
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Post by McLaren Wed 30 Mar 2016, 1:20 pm

I don't get your argument super, TATA and the organizations you mention failed to run profitable businesses.

You have to consider what is better for the economy as a whole, more people in decent jobs or shareholders of particular companies getting better dividends?

The mere continues existence of industries may grow GDP more than worrying about some industries being particularly profitable for the share owning class.
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Post by super_realist Wed 30 Mar 2016, 1:36 pm

Port Talbot isn't profitable, hence why they are getting rid. It's not up to Tata to continue with a business that isn't working. So, I'd be happy for it to be taken over by the government rather than the entire site be mothballed and put 17,000 on the dole, no guarantees they'll succeed, but worth a pop, as long as it doesn't go back to Scargill era type unionism.

I mentioned BT, BL, BG etc because they were terribly inefficient under public ownership and have been much better under private ownership.

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Post by Bob_the_Job Wed 30 Mar 2016, 4:17 pm

Either we've had this discussion before, or I've just had the most impressive and scarily detailed deja vu ever.
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Post by pedro Wed 30 Mar 2016, 11:55 pm

super_realist wrote:
SmithersJones wrote:Super, was it one of your mates who posed for a photo with the least scary looking hijacker in history?

I'm amazed that no one charged and beat the "terrorist" up. He's the least intimidating man I could imagine
I always wondered what happened to Boutros Ghali..

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Post by raycastleunited Thu 31 Mar 2016, 12:05 am

McLaren wrote:
The mere continues existence of industries may grow GDP more than worrying about some industries being particularly profitable for the share owning class.

Businesses evolve Mac. Your suggestion that businesses keep on running regardless of demand or profitability would stifle innovation.

Have you ever heard of Laird plc? They make electronic components, mainly for wireless connectivity, so things like wifi and bluetooth modules. It was founded by William Laird as Birkenhead Ironworks. In your world, the government would continue to prop up this business and have it continue to produce iron boilers for steam ships.

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Post by super_realist Thu 31 Mar 2016, 7:51 am

Can you imagine living in Mac's Leninist "utopia"? Millions employed in factories making left shoes only.

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Post by McLaren Thu 31 Mar 2016, 11:07 am

Ray

I don't see how that counters may point that it is better to keep a company going. I am not saying a company saved by the government shouldn't be forced to evolve. I would just rather see the people who worked for them actually getting employment while the future of the company is forged. It might remain a traditional steel works, it might not, but why ruin the lives of many people (maybe a whole town) in the process?
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Post by MontysMerkin Thu 31 Mar 2016, 12:11 pm

Because money is more important than people. Idiot.
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Post by I'm never wrong Thu 31 Mar 2016, 9:18 pm

Here is an article on the BBC Website explaining the difference between banks and steel.

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Post by kwinigolfer Thu 31 Mar 2016, 9:37 pm

Hate to get into a debate about policies in a country where I don't live, but so long as countries buy subsidised products from around the world, most industry will be closed down. There or here.
In the US, States compete vigorously with one another for manufacturing businesses, offering all sorts of tax breaks and goodies, really subsidising jobs that evolve into population shifts and greater Congressional power. You can bet your b0ll0cks that Cameron would fight harder for plants in Greater London than in Port Talbot.
I'm part of the way towards Mac's viewpoint on this! I certainly try to buy as local (or as close to fair trading when products not made here) as I can, and apply that to everything possible. Sometimes with unfortunate consequences as those who watched the fate of my Bang and Olufsen TV can witness.

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Post by MontysMerkin Fri 01 Apr 2016, 10:13 am

I love the fact we buy electricity from France's state owned company, which then passes on subsidies to it's own population. For me it shows that those who think that free markets are the be all and end all are a little short on grey matter.
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Post by kwinigolfer Fri 01 Apr 2016, 11:19 am

Yup, We get ours from Quebec, same deal!

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Post by McLaren Fri 01 Apr 2016, 11:47 am

Is anyone else totally sick of April fools day?

It was funny about once when you were 5.
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Post by super_realist Fri 01 Apr 2016, 12:55 pm

Someone tell you could get 18 months bus pass for the price of 12 or something Mac?

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Post by super_realist Sat 02 Apr 2016, 8:03 am

Great news everyone. The World Number 472 won't be hacking it around Augusta.

Half of me would like to see him there to see him shoot a dreadful score, but the other half is happy we won't have to see him in slow motion at every moment.

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Post by I'm never wrong Sat 02 Apr 2016, 8:33 am

I was thinking that if he could swing a 9 iron or similar he would enter the par 3 contest, just to keep himself in the public eye, and have a day out with his children.

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Post by raycastleunited Sat 02 Apr 2016, 9:39 am

Got an email yesterday from the chairman, advising us about a new darts section. Ladies mahogany boards to be removed to make way for dartboards, dress code to be relaxed to allow jeans, even ripped jeans. I can imagine some people were apoplectic with rage when reading it.

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Post by kwinigolfer Wed 06 Apr 2016, 12:44 pm

Probably this should be on the ice hockey board but nobody goes there. Here is a gallery (would like to be a patron) of the Chicago Blackhawks IceCrew.

Who needs a Zamboni any more?

https://www.google.com/search?q=chicago+blackhawks+ice+crew&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi18vOE9_nLAhXHJiYKHQW5AI8QsAQIHw&biw=1920&bih=955

But could they get it done on a cold, wet, windy night at Stoke?

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Post by MontysMerkin Wed 06 Apr 2016, 1:01 pm

Bet their parents are very proud.
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Post by McLaren Thu 07 Apr 2016, 11:28 am

skip down to the Faldo bit.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/06/panama-papers-reveal-offshore-dealings-stars

Apparently he turned pro in 1993. The Guardian is a joke, if it isn't pseudoscience it is gross inaccuracy.
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