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Post by George Carlin Tue 12 Apr 2016, 11:36 am

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Scarlets v Glasgow Warriors
Saturday 16 April 2016
KO 15:15
Parc y Scarlets

Live on Sky Sports

Referee: George Clancy (80th competition game)
Assistant Referees: Ian Davies, Simon Brickell (both WRU)
Citing Commissioner: Dennis Jones (WRU)
TMO: Jon Mason (WRU)

A. Head to Head

25 Played 25
12 Wins 13
13 Losses 12
0 Draws 0
529 Points 552

B. Form

19th December 2015  
Scarlets 6 - 9 Glasgow Warriors  

12th December 2015
Glasgow Warriors 43 - 6 Scarlets  

5th September 2015
Glasgow Warriors 10 - 16 Scarlets

9th January 2015
Glasgow Warriors 22 - 7 Scarlets

21st November 2014
Scarlets 19 - 9 Glasgow Warriors

C. Teams

Scarlets 
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L Williams; S Evans, G Owen, H Parkes, DTH van der Merwe; S Shingler, G Davies; R Evans, K Owens (capt), S Lee; J Ball, D Bulbrin; M Paulino, J Davies, J Barclay

Replacements: K Myhill, P John, P Edwards, G Earle, M Allen, A Davies, A Thomas, S Hughes

Glasgow Warriors
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S Hogg; T Seymour, M Bennett, A Dunbar, L Jones; F Russell, H Pyrgos; G Reid, F Brown, S Puafisi; T Swinson, J Gray (capt); R Harley, R Wilson. J Strauss

Replacements: P MacArthur, J Yanuyanutawa, Z Fagerson, L Nakawara, T Holmes, G Hart, D Weir, T Naiyaravoro


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Post by GLove39 Sat 16 Apr 2016, 3:46 pm

Out-bloody-standing from the dancing one

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Post by BigGee Sat 16 Apr 2016, 3:46 pm

I was about to say what was Russell doing turning down the kick! He clearly knew better!

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Post by cakeordeath Sat 16 Apr 2016, 3:47 pm

I feel sorry for DTH, hopefully it isn't as bad as it looks

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Post by GLove39 Sat 16 Apr 2016, 3:53 pm

Peach of a try from Williams, but a bit 7's esque with the celebrations

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Post by BigGee Sat 16 Apr 2016, 4:00 pm

Great try by Lee Jones, still had plenty to do

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Post by TJ Sat 16 Apr 2016, 4:05 pm

In that that half we see the good the bad and the ugly from Russell. Sublime chip for the first try, makes a mess of the penalty tap but saved by his teammates and makes amends with a nice try, kicks the restart out on the full. Is he Townsend in disguise?

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Post by A Simply Mesmeric Try Sat 16 Apr 2016, 4:08 pm

BigGee wrote:Great try by Lee Jones, still had plenty to do

I think the memory of Wee Lee the Selkirk Pixie being steam-rollered by Maxime Medard in the the 6N a few years back is slowly fading. He's certainly a stronger player now.

More pixie dust please Lee!
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Post by IanBru Sat 16 Apr 2016, 4:09 pm

On this form, you've got to say Pyrgos is ahead of SHC as backup scrum half for Scotland.

Give Hidalgo-Clyne a couple more seasons before stepping up.
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Post by TJ Sat 16 Apr 2016, 4:13 pm

Pyrgos is certainly the number 2. He established that in the WC before getting injured and his form is great right now - and a great foil for Russell

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Post by BigGee Sat 16 Apr 2016, 4:14 pm

IanBru wrote:On this form, you've got to say Pyrgos is ahead of SHC as backup scrum half for Scotland.

Give Hidalgo-Clyne a couple more seasons before stepping up.

I would say he has always been ahead of SHC and the gap is growing not closing! He needs to watch out for the others coming up behind him, even Kennedy looked better last night

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Post by glamorganalun Sat 16 Apr 2016, 4:17 pm

Watching the last 20mins, the scarlets 6 is not having a great game losing ball in contact, driven backwards and missing tackles. I would prefer a local lad to gain experience than a duff import. So far a poor performance by the scarlets and getting worse.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 16 Apr 2016, 4:26 pm

Not really a result that Scarlets should be suffering IMO. Then again their form against Glasgow this year is atrocious.

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Post by BigGee Sat 16 Apr 2016, 4:39 pm

This could become a massacre, you would not have predicted that. The big cavalry coming off the bench now

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Post by BigGee Sat 16 Apr 2016, 4:43 pm

Well we were due an 80 minute game, unfortunately for Scarlets today was the day!

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Post by cakeordeath Sat 16 Apr 2016, 4:44 pm

Jesus Christ. I am frustrated for Scarlets and I am a Glasgow fan.

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Post by BigGee Sat 16 Apr 2016, 4:54 pm

Oh dear, this is painful

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Post by A Simply Mesmeric Try Sat 16 Apr 2016, 4:55 pm

Russell with almost with a hat-trick but brought down on the line. Jones finishes off to get his second!
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Post by GLove39 Sat 16 Apr 2016, 4:56 pm

Glasgow a joy to watch when they play like this.
Russell needs to sort himself out off the tee though.

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Post by TJ Sat 16 Apr 2016, 5:02 pm

GLove39 wrote:Glasgow a joy to watch when they play like this.
Russell needs to sort himself out off the tee though.

I think they should take the goal kicks off him and give them to Hogg

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Post by TJ Sat 16 Apr 2016, 5:04 pm

Great win for Glasgow. Fine performances all round. absolutely ruined Scarlets giving them no time and space to do anything with the ball, taking the ball off them in the tackle and with interceptions and scarlets just had no answer to the high tempo Glasgow game.

If only Glasgow could have played like this in the European cup!

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 16 Apr 2016, 5:09 pm

Christ you did really well there Scarlets, and not for the first time.... Well done Glasgow, you'll be storming into the play-offs playing like that.

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Post by reallybored Sat 16 Apr 2016, 5:14 pm

Mmmmmmmmhhh, that was delicious.

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Post by TJ Sat 16 Apr 2016, 5:14 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Christ you did really well there Scarlets, and not for the first time.... Well done Glasgow, you'll be storming into the play-offs playing like that.
Hug

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Post by BigGee Sat 16 Apr 2016, 5:16 pm

Perhaps even more impressive than the 7 tries we scored was the intensity in defence we showed. Scarlets never got a nano second on the ball and they ended up truly rattled.

After a very shaky start to the season, McPharland is finally moulding the Glasgow pack into a pretty effective weapon as well. Our set plays and defence was very effective and instinctive, it is all working very well just at the right part of the season.

8 wins in a row, you can't really argue with that, they look a really hungry side just now!

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Post by TJ Sat 16 Apr 2016, 5:19 pm

Ickle jonny - yet another game without a missed tackle - 15 made. I don't think he has missed one all season

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Post by jimbopip Sat 16 Apr 2016, 5:26 pm

Now the lads have a week off to prepare for the battle that will be Treviso at Scotstoun.

Favarro, Fusaro, Ashe, Horne, Lamont, all missed out today. Training will be "tasty" to say the least.

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Post by BigGee Sat 16 Apr 2016, 5:31 pm

jimbopip wrote:Now the lads have a week off to prepare for the battle that will be Treviso at Scotstoun.

Favarro, Fusaro, Ashe, Horne, Lamont, all missed out today. Training will be "tasty" to say the least.

You mean Zebre!

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Post by 21st Century Schizoid Man Sat 16 Apr 2016, 5:33 pm

EEErmm Mr PiP,


think you will find it is the mighty Zebras we are playing. Now if the Luerv Muppets can put 29 on them well..............
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Post by jimbopip Sat 16 Apr 2016, 6:15 pm

I need details lads.

Was Clownshoes even handed in his Solomomesque judgements?

Were Scarlets unlucky?

Who stood put for the Weege?

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Post by Tattie Scones RRN Sat 16 Apr 2016, 6:19 pm

I think that Glasgow are now ramping it up another notch. To be honest, if they carry this on, no other team will live with them regardless of the match being home or away. I would dearly love them to meet Leinster in the final and absolutely annihilate them by 35 points+. With Sexton getting smashed from all angles as an added bonus.

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Post by TJ Sat 16 Apr 2016, 6:26 pm

jimbopip wrote:I need details lads.

Glasgow stuffed 'em

jimbopip wrote:Was Clownshoes even handed in his Solomomesque judgements?

NOt bad at all. allowed a lot more time to compete / be cleared out at rucks than Mitrea yesterday but no obvious blunders I could see. A decent game from him. No cards

jimbopip wrote:Were Scarlets unlucky?

Nope - massivly outplayed unless they were suffering from the gallopping trots still which could be ruled unlucky. In some ways they got lucky as a couple of interceptions by Glasgow did not stick

jimbopip wrote:Who stood put for the Weege?

Dunbar - brick wall defensivly, took at least 2 turnovers
Russell - whilst still the good the bad and the ugly and missed some goal kicks also created loads
Pack / front row stood up well in the scrums and got parity at least
Strauss some good runs and hits
Seymour - everywhere and created loads
Lee - still improving
Ickle Jonny - 15 tackles none missed
Pyrgos - lively

Really good defence - round the fringes and great linespeed in the backs stopping scarlets creating anything.

Great team effort all round

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Post by Guest Sat 16 Apr 2016, 6:39 pm

jimbopip wrote:I need details lads.

Was Clownshoes even handed in his Solomomesque judgements?

Were Scarlets unlucky?

Who stood put for the Weege?

Clancy was poor, but for both teams. Such dreadful refereeing of the breakdown and some strange interpretations around the mauls and other areas of play.

Scarlets weren't unlucky. The scoreline doesn't really flatter Glasgow. They're clearly on an upward swing, whilst Scarlets are certainly on the downward. Too many players looking like the game was lost after the first five minutes. Slightly worrying as all it took- as it did when the Blues came- was a defensive line willing to rush and harry the Scarlets when the had the ball. If they continually have no answer to that, something's wrong.

It may be a case of running out of steam towards the end of the season. However, the lack of team ethic and cohesion was most worrying. Several players are leaving, admittedly, but you'd like Parkes, Barclay, Ken, and Gareth Davies to step up when that's the case. The latter in particularly is really suffering with the increased leadership role. With everything coming off 9, and with Shingler frankly looking to hide at 10, the Scarlets had nothing when Gareth Davies didn't know what to do. Far too often ball is shipped out, slowly, and recycled with little gain; think Wales at their most toothless.

Jake Ball did alright, Ken carried reasonably well, and you can't fault the effort of James Davies. Most obvious performance came from Liam Williams, but the rest of the team looked clueless, backs in particular. Think they need a reset in pre-season, cut out some of the chaff, and hope for better luck with injuries (or, failing that, a recruitment process that alleviates the impact when that happens to Wales players). The attitude needs addressing; at this stage of the season, with potentially quite a lot at stake, to put in the kind of performances they have in recent weeks is shocking. Look at the scores teams are putting past Treviso, and they could only scrape past them without a try bonus point. Not picking up bonus points through lack of ambition earlier in the season will cost them the top 4, and that may be beneficial in the long run. They're in real danger of dropping out of the top 6 now, something that hopefully clarifies the mind for the remainder of the season.

Glasgow looked great. Ruthless. Scored nearly every time they had the ball second half.

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Post by jimbopip Sat 16 Apr 2016, 6:52 pm

TJ, miaow thanks.Hug

If Clownshoes was awful to both sides that's the best you can hope for.

So, can Scarlets make the play offs, or are they running on empty?

I think Glasgow are safely top four now. I still think Connacht could implode.

However, Mon the Warriors.

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Post by TJ Sat 16 Apr 2016, 6:59 pm

miaow wrote:

Clancy was poor, but for both teams. Such dreadful refereeing of the breakdown and some strange interpretations around the mauls and other areas of play.

Interesting - I just thought he allowed a fair bit of time to compete and also for the clearout to arrive. I didn't see any odd calls - got all the turnovers right I thought - a couple of times gave "not supporting own weight" when players went for turnovers and also gave a couple of pens for diving in. Penalised both sides for holding on but I thought they were right. consistent

Mauls- I didn't see anything odd.

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Post by Guest Sat 16 Apr 2016, 9:44 pm

It was the fact that he let most things go that was strange. Glasgow got away with a lot of lying on/taking the space, and Scarlets then started doing so as well. The mauls were a free for all. Scarlets had one collapsed when five metres out, James Davies crawls into touch, he calls for the lineout. Players were entering from the side, and most crucially, he allowed the ball to be stationary for a considerable amount of time before calling it as so, if at all. He was consistent at least, but seemed hesitant to blow his whistle. Most of the 'clean' turnovers in the game could easily have been penalties the other way, particularly when the Scarlets turned it over. Also seemed to miss a lot of sealing off by supporting players, only penalising it once. I suppose it's interpretation, but having seen Joubert absolutely crucify Wales for the tackled player falling on the wrong side against England, it's really tiresome to then see a 'top class referee' manage the game in such a diametrically different manner.

On the whole the players didn't need much reffing, particularly second half, but his favouring of the a certain negativity- mainly in defence, but also sealing off when in attack- seemed several years out of date.

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Post by ScarletSpiderman Sat 16 Apr 2016, 9:55 pm

Glasgow thumped us, and there is no escaping that. Their defence was dominant all game.

Clown shoes was poor full stop, probably even handed with it. Scarlets could have been yellowed Imo when Russel took his quick tap in the first halfpenny, at least two Scarlets were not ten inches away, let alone feet. The bit that did make my blood boil was after Glasgow scored a try ;0(4th?, 1srpt in the second half), running down the wing where Barclay was down injured, he then stopped play a few mins later when the Scarlets got possession but Glasgows prop was down.

The Scarlets did look like a team that were struggling with fitness, after Sanjays try the boys looked dead on their feet.

I think if we were fully fit, and we had a perfect ref, Glasgow would have still won, with four tries, and the Scarlets would have still been to far behind to get the losing bonus point, but it would have been closer.
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Post by ScarletSpiderman Sat 16 Apr 2016, 10:01 pm

Oh, forgot to say, Russel's opening try was awesome. And the last try (I think) where Weir took the tap near the halfway line was a really good call, as he tapped it I think everyone in the stadium knew that it was going to be a try, fair play for having the balls to go for it.
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Post by funnyExiledScot Sat 16 Apr 2016, 10:10 pm

Just watched it. Great effort Glasgow, some wonderful rugby.

Russell was sublime, and J Gray and Bob Harley absolutely tireless throughout. Pyrgos was clever and Dunbar showed some great all-round skills. Final question: what on earth have Glasgow done with Lee Jones?? He was really useful.

Begging for Glasgow to make the final at Murrayfield. Been a graveyard for them in recent years but having just seen Leinster yesterday I think Glasgow are the team to beat this year.

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Post by funnyExiledScot Sat 16 Apr 2016, 10:15 pm

Oh, and I should add that Clancy was dreadful. Arbitrary throughout and, believe it or not, I thought Glasgow probably got the rub today (probably because the Ruck Inspector wasn't in his ear all game). He really should find something else to do. He's a dreadful ref, and in Ben Whitehouse and Ian Davies the Pro12 has much better.

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Post by Eejit Sun 17 Apr 2016, 12:40 am

Just caught up with the game. Glasgow absolutely astounding. It might be the beer, but I love this team (sometimes).

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Post by jimbopip Sun 17 Apr 2016, 8:18 am

I see Craggy Island Seconds refuse to implode. picard

Our visit to them for the last game of the season should determine who gets the home semi. Then play each other again the following week in all probability.

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Post by 21st Century Schizoid Man Sun 17 Apr 2016, 9:23 am

Apart from the 5 points and a good 80 min display for the first time this season it was great to see Big T put that utter bell-end Williams on his erse on 78 mins.
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Post by ScarletSpiderman Sun 17 Apr 2016, 9:44 am

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:Apart from the 5 points and a good 80 min display for the first time this season it was great to see Big T put that utter bell-end Williams on his erse on 78 mins.    

Wasn't that hit a bit of a cheap shot? No arms at all.
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Post by BigGee Sun 17 Apr 2016, 10:18 am

Probably even more impressive was the one where Harley took him out when he was running in on our line, was like hitting a brick wall and was completey legal.

Fair play to Williams in that he got up and got on with it, no historonics.

He may have been a bit out of his depth looking for some afters with Big T though, albeit was quite amusing!

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Post by mckay1402 Sun 17 Apr 2016, 10:30 am

Big T?
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Post by TJ Sun 17 Apr 2016, 11:00 am

mckay1402 wrote:Big T?

Taqele Naiyaravoro

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Post by mikey_dragon Sun 17 Apr 2016, 11:07 am

The guy who was prominent the ECC fixture against Scarlets...

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Post by Hazel Sapling Sun 17 Apr 2016, 2:50 pm

My thoughts:
-Clancy was actually okay most of the time; by not blowing the whistle it let the game flow. Scarlets unlucky not to be given a penalty for Glasgow collapsing the maul at 5m. Glasgow got a bit more rub of the green over the course of the game but that may be due to Glasgow controlling the game for long periods
-Scarlets want this season done. There was no fire from anyone bar L Williams
-Shingler was truly awful. Glasgow put him under pressure and he did not handle it. Patchell is a serious upgrade
-Lee looked like he was keeping his bodyweight back in the scrum and causing a collapse. He got penalised for it more than once even if it was not the case. The pack struggled more than it should have
-Parkes played well but did not see any other back than L Williams put their hand up
-L Williams worked hard, played well, tackled MacArthur who was already out of play to the ad board (and changes zero of my point of view of him as a dirty player) and got involved with a couple of afters. Scored a good try and best Scarlet on the day.
-Good luck to DTH who I hope is okay. Looked like his season may be done
-Glasgow are looking ominous with the fast mini rucks and offloading. Think they played Clancy well by not fighting much on the ground and focusing on making the Scarlets commit mistakes. Good back row for that
-Harley had his best game in a while for me. Wilson played well and Strauss continues his good form
-L Jones deserves to be in the Scotland squad in Japan if he keeps it up. Played physically
-Dunbar is coming back into his pre injury form and Bennett is starting to get better
-Russell excellent but his place kicking is poor. Needs to be an 80+% kicker to move to the next level as a 10
-Yanny was awful and got penalised 3 times in less than 10 minutes.
-Fagerson struggled in the scrum more than he used to. What's happened?

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