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Post by Rowanbi Sun 08 May 2016, 1:10 pm

Thanks to Roon ba http://theroonba.com/rugbyunion/men/2016.html

Turkey, coming off comfortable home wins over both Norway & Finland, suffered a narrow loss to Norway yesterday, meaning they've still yet to win on the road in official ENC competition. Ukraine edged a top-of-the-table clash with Holland in ENC division 1B and must be looking good for a return to the top division, which would thus comprise 4 Eastern European nations plus the Iberians (Germany likely to be relegated). Uruguay wrapped up the South American Championship minus Argentina with a big win over arch-rival Chile, but a good result for the improving Brazilians away to Paraguay, perhaps justifying their inclusion in the Americas 6 Nations ahead of Los Yacares (Alligators).

08.05 Kuala Lumpur Malaysia 10-15 Philippines Asian Championship Division 1
08.05 Kuala Lumpur (Malaysia) Sri Lanka 33-17 Singapore Asian Championship Division 1
07.05 Amsterdam Netherlands 27-30 Ukraine European Nations Cup Division 1B
07.05 Ljubljana Slovenia 38-23 Austria European Nations Cup Division 2C
07.05 Sofia Bulgaria 15-23 Bosnia & Herzegovina European Nations Cup Division 2D
07.05 Oslo Norway 28-24 Turkey European Nations Cup Division 2D
07.05 Hong Kong Hong Kong 3-38 Japan Asian Championship Top 3
07.05 Luque Paraguay 21-32 Brazil South American Championship Division A
07.05 Montevideo Uruguay 39-14 Chile South American Championship Division A
07.05 Nassau Bahamas 3-39 Mexico Americas North Championship North Zone
07.05 Atlanta USA South 38-5 Bermuda Friendly
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Post by Blueschief Sun 08 May 2016, 2:31 pm

I'm ashamed to admit I had no idea some of these fixtures existed, very interesting.

Thanks for the link, have bookmarked it. OK

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Post by Rowanbi Sun 08 May 2016, 8:40 pm

No worries. I used to chat with the Roon ba rugby statistician on another forum, as a matter of fact. Seemed like a good guy.

I always thought it was a shame none of the so-called international rugby sites gave any real attention to this - apart from World Rugby itself when it does its weekly rankings update.

For those interested, Turkey's national team is at least 50% foreign-based, particularly in France and Germany, and that is the basis of its strength. The domestic scene is a total mess, the top league having been reduced from 8 teams to 4 this year - 2 from Istanbul & 2 from Ankara. The Middle Eastern Technical University of Ankara is the top side. The Istanbul Ottomans are based on the European side of the city. I've had a few friends play for them, including a couple of French guys. They basically just walked into the starting XV. Their arch-rivals are Kadikoy, based on the Asian side of the city. They also have a French connection through active player Julian Treu, who brings a lot of publicity (not sure, but I think he played at a high level in France in his youth). The second division has about a dozen teams, mostly in the Black Sea & Aegean Coast regions, along with the city of Edirne on the Greek border, which has a couple of clubs. They also have an international club 7s tournament here each year, featuring both men and women. However, I don't think there are any women's club teams or kids leagues; just training camps and stuff. The sport is run in Turkey by some obscure and reclusive government organization which also facilitates American football & baseball. There was some kind of scandal last year but I'm not sure what it was about or how things turned out. Regrettable in Istanbul it's not easy to find suitable playing surfaces for rugby either. There is a mini synthetic football pitch in every suburb, but no good for rugby.
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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sun 08 May 2016, 10:01 pm

Here is a forum dedicated to tier 2 and 3 rugby: http://t2rugby.com/viewforum.php?f=3

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Post by aucklandlaurie Mon 09 May 2016, 3:05 am

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Here is a forum dedicated to tier 2 and 3 rugby: http://t2rugby.com/viewforum.php?f=3



T2 is a great little forum for Tier 2 & 3 rugby, especially since the Mods over there banned Rowan.

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Post by Pot Hale Mon 09 May 2016, 5:29 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:Here is a forum dedicated to tier 2 and 3 rugby: http://t2rugby.com/viewforum.php?f=3



T2 is a great little forum for Tier 2 & 3 rugby, especially since the Mods over there banned Rowan.
That sounds familiar....
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Post by Rowanbi Mon 09 May 2016, 9:02 am

Banned for arguing too much. Smile Never insulted anyone or broke any rules, though one of their regulars boasted about "winding me up" (after I'd destroyed his argument for keeping at least one of the Pacific Islands out of the next RWC). Some of the rugby forums are dominated by their own mods, you understand. In saying that, it was a good forum for keeping up-to-date with tier 2 & 3 rugby. That's where I 'met' the Roonba guy. Also found a lot of good links to live games, and watched most of last year's South America A & B championships. thumbsup


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Post by Rowanbi Mon 09 May 2016, 9:09 am

This used to be an excellent site for international rugby results-at-a-glance too. But the guy doesn't seem to be updating regularly anymore. Here, for example, we have the entire history of Turkey's international test matches, including in ENC3 which they overwhelmingly dominated (basically a prep school for the 'real' ENC leagues) http://www.rugbyinternational.net

29.05.2012 SLOVAKIA (1) BRATISLAVA WON 31 - 5 Friendly; Tukey's first rugby test
12.05.2012 ESTONIA TALLIN WON 49 - 5 Friendly
11.11.2012 SLOVAKIA (2) KEMER WON 34 - 6 ENC 3
17.11.2012 AZERBAIJAN KEMER WON 53 - 3 ENC 3
20.11.2013 AZERBAIJAN BRATISLAVA WON 31 - 3 ENC 3
23.11.2013 SLOVAKIA BRATISLAVA WON 55 - 3 ENC 3
25.10.2014 BOSNIA HERZEGOVINA EDIRNE LOST 25 - 34 REC 2D
01.11.2014 BULGARIA SOFIA LOST 19 - 26 REC 2D
25.04.2015 BULGARIA ANTAYLA WON 28 - 26 REC 2D, 2nd leg
23.05.2015 FINLAND HELSINKI LOST 12 - 20 REC 2D
17.10.2015 BOSNIA HERZEGOVINA ZENICA LOST 21 - 24 REC 2D
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Post by Rowanbi Sat 14 May 2016, 1:22 pm

HK gets the better of SKorea on the road in a battle of Asia's second and third best sides. Maylaysia looked to have wrapped up the division 1 competition it was hosting, despite dropping its the first game to the Phillipines. This was their second win, while the Phillipines went on to suffer two narrow losses.

14.05 Incheon South Korea 27-34 Hong Kong Asian Championship Top 3
14.05 Kuala Lumpur Malaysia 40-20 Singapore Asian Championship Division 1
14.05 Kuala Lumpur (Malaysia) Sri Lanka 25-21 Philippines Asian Championship Division 1
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Post by Rowanbi Sun 15 May 2016, 11:14 pm

This week's results in full

15.05 Odessa Ukraine 36-17 Moldova European Nations Cup Division 1B
14.05 Enköping Sweden 23-25 Netherlands European Nations Cup Division 1B
14.05 Esztergom Hungary 10-28 Andorra European Nations Cup Division 2B
14.05 Luxembourg Luxembourg 29-10 Slovenia European Nations Cup Division 2C
14.05 Incheon South Korea 27-34 Hong Kong Asian Championship Top 3
14.05 Kuala Lumpur Malaysia 40-20 Singapore Asian Championship Division 1
14.05 Kuala Lumpur (Malaysia) Sri Lanka 25-21 Philippines Asian Championship Division 1
14.05 Montevideo Uruguay 28-42 Fiji 'B' Friendly
11.05 Kuala Lumpur Malaysia 42-17 Sri Lanka Asian Championship Division 1
11.05 Kuala Lumpur (Malaysia) Singapore 28-24 Philippines Asian Championship Division 1
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Post by Rowanbi Mon 16 May 2016, 11:21 am

Uruguay lost in a valiant Effort against Fiji this afternoon in Montevideo’s Estadio Charrúa. Los Teros’ 42-28 defeat in the first of two non-capped internationals between the teams was a solid opening performance.

In winning the Fijians demonstrated their renowned inconsistency as spontaneity was at the forefront of their victory. With ball in hand Fiji was an act of beauty as attacking flair and crisp off-loading opened opportunities which Fiji quickly made into an 8-0 advantage.

Los Teros front-rower Germán Kessler responded with the first of his team’s tries but before too long Fiji was over again and leading by six points. Carlos Arboleya crossed for Uruguay’s second with the South American’s scrum truly expressing superiority. With it Los Teros led 20-14.

Fiji’s explosive abilities did not give in and the Pacific Islanders rebounded to score twice in succession and go ahead 34-14. A try through winger Nicolás Freitas cut the lead but Fiji remained comfortably ahead in a match played under the trialled World Rugby scoring system of six point tries.

Additional tries from either side saw the gamer play out to a 42-28 final scoreline. For Uruguay the fixture was a genuine test of how far Los Teros have come with the implementation of the High Performance Center. The second fixture and the game against the Argentina XV will further clarify Los Teros’ standing.

SCORERS
URUGUAY
Try: Kessler, Arboleya, Freitas, Silva
Conversion: Secco (4)

FIJI
Try: Vularika, Penalty Try, Ucutabua, Raiyala, Ratu
Conversion: Vularika (5)
Penalty: Vularika (2)
Yellow Card: Veitayaki

URUGUAY
1 Facundo Gattas, 2 Germán Kessler, 3 Carlos Arboleya, 4 Ignacio Dotti, 5 Diego Magno, 6 Juan Gaminara (capt.), 7 Gonzalo Campomar, 8 Alejandro Nieto, 9 Guillermo Lijtenstein, 10 Martín Secco, 11 Sebastían Schroeder, 12 Andrés Vilaseca 13 Joaquín Prada, 14 Nicolás Freitas, 15 Rodrigo Silva

FIJI
1 Peni Ravai (capt.), 2 Jale Sessen, 3 Mesake Doge, 4 Joseva Levula, 5 Mataiasi Ucutabua, 6 Johnny Dyer, 7 Mosese Voka, 8 Eremasi Radrodro, 9 Henry Seniloli, 10 Seru Vularika, 11 Nacani Wakaya, 12 Frederick Hickes, 13 Saimoni Tuilaucala, 14 Lepani Raiyala, 15 Cyril Reece

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Post by Rowanbi Mon 16 May 2016, 2:11 pm

ENC division 2 table:

1. Belgium 41 (5 BP) +173
2. Ukraine 36 (4 BP) +79
3. Moldova 27 (7 BP) +78
4. Netherlands 22 (6 BP) -3
5. Poland 18 (2 BP) -71
6. Sweden 1 BP -256
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Post by the-goon Mon 16 May 2016, 4:57 pm

Back to back promotions for the mighty Luxembourg. Division 2B now.

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Post by Rowanbi Thu 19 May 2016, 9:14 am

African Cup, ENC qualifying division & Asian RWC qualifying results:

18.05 Tallinn Estonia 16-13 Montenegro European Nations Cup Division 3, Semi-Final
18.05 Tallinn (Estonia) Slovakia 29-17 Belarus European Nations Cup Division 3, Semi-Final
18.05 Tashkent (Uzbekistan) Thailand 25-16 Guam Asian Championship Division 2, Semi-Final
18.05 Tashkent Uzbekistan 13-65 United Arab Emirates Asian Championship Division 2, Semi-Final
17.05 Kigali Rwanda 15-3 Burundi Africa Cup Division 2 Central, Semi-Final
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Post by Rowanbi Fri 20 May 2016, 5:21 pm

As far as I know Lesotho had trouble getting to Rwanda and had to default their semi with Congo.

20.05 Kigali (Rwanda) Lesotho 6-3 Burundi Africa Cup Division 2 Central, 3rd Place Match
20.05 Kigali Rwanda 9-12 DR Congo Africa Cup Division 2 Central, Final
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Post by Rowanbi Sat 21 May 2016, 7:00 pm

Hosts Estonia wrap up the ENC qualifying group with a hard-fought win over Slovakia in the final. Not sure if there's promotion-relegation to official ENC competition. I do know that Turkey would be one of the teams in the danger zone, were that the case, and Turkey completely destroyed all of these teams in recent years, Estonia in Tallinn included. Meanwhile, UAE cruises through the Asian division 2 tournament in Uzbekistan. Does that mean they get to play the Phillipines or Singapore for promotion to the first division? Japan, of course, in a class of their own in the top 3. Lots of action in the Caribbean tonight, plus Uruguay's second encounter with Fiji 'B' to come, so should have those results tomorrow:

21.05 Tallinn (Estonia) Montenegro 45-19 Belarus European Nations Cup Division 3, 3rd Place Match
21.05 Tallinn Estonia 36-29 Slovakia European Nations Cup Division 3, Final
21.05 Incheon South Korea 3-60 Japan Asian Championship Top 3
21.05 Tashkent Uzbekistan 22-23 Guam Asian Championship Division 2, 3rd Place Match
21.05 Tashkent (Uzbekistan) United Arab Emirates 70-18 Thailand Asian Championship Division 2, Final
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Post by Rowanbi Sat 21 May 2016, 10:31 pm

Apparently the game in Montevideo experimented with 6-point tries. Meanwhile, big wins for Mexico & Trinidad in Caribbean competition. 2 more results to come...

21.05 Montevideo Uruguay 22-44 Fiji 'B' Friendly
21.05 Mexico City Mexico 75-10 Bermuda Americas North Championship North Zone
21.05 Bridgetown Barbados 5-39 Trinidad & Tobago Americas North Championship South Zone
21.05 George Town Cayman Islands - Bahamas Americas North Championship North Zone
21.05 Georgetown Guyana - Jamaica Americas North Championship South Zone
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Post by Rowanbi Sun 22 May 2016, 12:21 am


21.05 Georgetown Guyana 23-5 Jamaica Americas North Championship South Zone
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Post by Rowanbi Sun 22 May 2016, 8:08 am

Caymans 20, Bahamas 8

Wraps it up for this week Cool
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Post by Rowanbi Sat 28 May 2016, 2:16 pm

Japan continues its cakewalk through Asian competition, but at least the opposition managed to score a decent amount of points against them for a chance. Meanwhile, ENC division 2D invariably ends up in a win to the home-team. Uruguay up against Argentina B tonight. Los Teros actually won this fixture last year, 30-26 as I recall. Huge upset!

28.05 Helsinki Finland 24-13 Bulgaria European Nations Cup Division 2D
28.05 Tokyo Japan 59-17 Hong Kong Asian Championship Top 3
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Post by Rowanbi Sun 29 May 2016, 7:52 am

Uruguay 8-18 Argentina XV
28 May - - Estadio Suppici, Colonia, Uruguay
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Post by Rowanbi Thu 02 Jun 2016, 11:37 am

What's all this about then? Players diving for penalties these days? Shocked Erm

A number of minor law amendments, approved and announced in September 2015, come into effect from 1 July in the northern hemisphere having already been implemented in the southern hemisphere since the start of the year.

The June tests will be played under the current laws of the game, with the exception of the maul application guideline, which applies from 1 June (see below). Any international tournament that begins in June but overlaps into July will be played under current law.

The implementation of the package of law amendments by World Rugby Council follows detailed analysis and evaluation of union submissions by the specialist Law Review Group (LRG) which reports to the Rugby Committee. This evaluation process also featured specialist input from the Scrum Steering Group (SSG) and the Multi-Disciplinary Injury Prevention Group (MDIPG) over the past year and is the next phase of the law change process.

The main amendments are:

The replacement of a player injured following foul play does not count as one of the allotted number of replacements available to that team
Advantage may be played following a scrum collapse if there is no risk to player safety
Play acting or “simulation” is specifically outlawed in the game in a move that formalises resistance to a practice that has been creeping into the game in recent years. Any player who dives or feigns injury in an effort to influence the match officials will be liable for sanction
Teams must be ready to form a scrum within 30 seconds of the scrum being awarded, unless the referee stops the clock for an injury or another stoppage
At a re-set scrum following a 90-degree wheel, the ball is thrown in by the team that previously threw it in rather than the team not in possession
The scrum-half of the team not in possession at a scrum may not move into the space between the flanker and number eight
When the ball has been at the number eight’s feet in a stationary scrum for 3-5 seconds, the referee will call “use it” and the attacking team must use the ball immediately
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Post by SecretFly Thu 02 Jun 2016, 11:45 am

On that diving thing.  Yeah...something had to be done about it - it was creeping in.

Only problem of course now will be relying on a Ref's/TMO opinion of what was an act and what was real.  Interpretation will be a big factor so, of course, the arguments won't be ended by any tightening of the rules.  If anything, things will now get worse.  Fans will be accusing refs of interpreting things in a biased way.

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Post by RDW Thu 02 Jun 2016, 1:21 pm

Secretfly I've removed part of your post - surely you know you can't say these things about other posters on a public forum.

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Post by SecretFly Thu 02 Jun 2016, 1:32 pm

I know a lot of things RDW...mostly I know when I'm being highly ironic and I felt sure Rowanbi would know exactly what I was alluding to and therefore take no offence.  If he did, I'm very sorry for any offence he might have taken - NEVER remotely my intention.

However, what I'm alluding to is another thread on this site that might be watched and moderated more carefully - and yes, there are people on that thread that might take offence - as it was some of them, and their heavy 'ban' hints and intolerance of Rowanbi's views, that I was alluding to.

Much of what I write is quite satiric, and I felt most people know that by now.  Apologies to those that didn't.

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Post by RDW Thu 02 Jun 2016, 1:39 pm

Thanks for clarifying fly, but I'm sure you also know that irony and sarcasm doesn't come across in the written form, and not everyone might be 'in' on the joke.

Either way, even if joking it is probably not something that should be put on a public forum!

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Post by Rowanbi Sat 04 Jun 2016, 5:52 pm

No doubt who number 2 in Asia is these days. In fact, HK is pretty much surged ahead of Korea in the pro era. Prior to that Korea was a team on the rise, beat Japan a few times, reached RWC qualifying repechage finals, and toured Australia without disgracing itself (I was at Concorde Oval to see them lose by a point to NSW B in 1987). But the sport is largely confined to the armed forces and police there, I believe, and evidently they've been left way behind since the game turned professional:

04.06 Hong Kong Hong Kong 41-15 South Korea Asian Championship Top 3

Oh, & Kenya thumped Uganda 48-10 in the first leg of the Elgon Cup, revived after a period in hiatus while Uganda were down in division 2
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Post by Rowanbi Sat 04 Jun 2016, 11:56 pm

Argentina B thumps Chile 87-12 after leading 61-0 at halftime.
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Post by Rowanbi Sun 05 Jun 2016, 7:34 am

4.06 Devonshire Bermuda 30-13 Bahamas Americas North Championship North Zone

& that's a wrap for this weekend.

Meanwhile, results from the Euro 7s in Moscow here: http://theroonba.com/rugbysevens/men/2016.html
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Post by Pot Hale Sun 05 Jun 2016, 1:22 pm

SecretFly wrote:I know a lot of things RDW...mostly I know when I'm being highly ironic and I felt sure Rowanbi would know exactly what I was alluding to and therefore take no offence.  If he did, I'm very sorry for any offence he might have taken - NEVER remotely my intention.

However, what I'm alluding to is another thread on this site that might be watched and moderated more carefully - and yes, there are people on that thread that might take offence - as it was some of them, and their heavy 'ban' hints and intolerance of Rowanbi's views, that I was alluding to.

Much of what I write is quite satiric, and I felt most people know that by now.  Apologies to those that didn't.

Oh go on - tell us, what did you write Fly? Without using names of course. Smile
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Post by SecretFly Sun 05 Jun 2016, 1:26 pm

No *touching my nose* emoticon around when you need one Wink

Now, Now, Pot... I can't be telling things that was banned, now. I'm a good boy. I sit at the top of the class.... Don't be tempting me you bully! Cool

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Post by Pot Hale Sun 05 Jun 2016, 7:18 pm

SecretFly wrote:No *touching my nose* emoticon around when you need one Wink

Now, Now, Pot... I can't be telling things that was banned, now.  I'm a good boy.  I sit at the top of the class....   Don't be tempting me you bully! Cool

Damn - I could have sworn you were more back-of-the-class-cracking-jokes type of person. Still, don't let me disturb you from listening to teacher... angel

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Post by Rowanbi Sun 05 Jun 2016, 7:29 pm

Rowanbi wrote:4.06 Devonshire Bermuda 30-13 Bahamas Americas North Championship North Zone

& that's a wrap for this weekend.

Meanwhile, results from the Euro 7s in Moscow here: http://theroonba.com/rugbysevens/men/2016.html

Wow, Russia eliminated Great Britain in the semis of the Euro 7s in Moscow, then beat France in the final Shocked Yahoo

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Post by doctor_grey Sun 05 Jun 2016, 7:43 pm

SecretFly wrote:I know a lot of things RDW...mostly I know when I'm being highly ironic
I think ye know too much - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5VnCfDihhU

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