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Post by George Carlin Mon 06 Jun 2016, 8:22 am

First topic message reminder :

Can't see a tournament thread, so here we go.
The 2016 World Rugby Under 20 Championship will be the ninth annual international rugby union competition for Under 20 national teams.

The event is being organised in England by rugby's governing body, World Rugby. A total of 12 nations will play in the tournament, which will be held at two venues in Greater Manchester—AJ Bell Stadium in Salford and Manchester City Academy Stadium in Manchester.

New Zealand will go into the tournament as defending champions.
Pool A: New Zealand, Wales, Ireland, Georgia

Match 5: 7 June 2016 Wales 25 - 26 Ireland
Match 3: 7 June 2016 New Zealand 55 - 0 Georgia
Match 10: 11 June 2016 New Zealand 24 - 33 Ireland
Match 11: 11 June 2016 Wales 10 - 9 Georgia
Match 17: 15 June 2016 Ireland v Georgia
Match 14: 15 June 2016 New Zealand v Wales

Pool B: England, Australia, Scotland, Italy

Match 2: 7 June 2016 Australia 10 - 15 Scotland
Match 6: 7 June 2016 England 48 - 10 Italy
Match 7: 11 June 2016 Australia 38 - 10 Italy
Match 12: 11 June 2016 England 44 - 0 Scotland
Match 16: 15 June 2016 Scotland v Italy
Match 15: 15 June 2016 England v Australia

Pool C: South Africa, France, Argentina, Japan

Match 1: 7 June 2016 France 15 - 24 Argentina
Match 4: 7 June 2016 South Africa 59 - 19 Japan
Match 8: 11 June 2016 France 46 - 14 Japan
Match 9: 11 June 2016 South Africa 13 - 19 Argentina
Match 13: 15 June 2016 Argentina v Japan
Match 18: 15 June 2016 South Africa v France

Good luck, everyone.


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Post by RDW Wed 08 Jun 2016, 1:19 pm

Jimpy wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:England pumped Italy as expected - something the BBC website led with instead of Scotland's big upset or the dramatic game between Ireland and Wales, which got a minor mention at the end of the article!

Actually, it didn't. The headline was all about Eddie Jones showing his players videos about 'Bodyline'....

The Scotland and England games got equal billing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union

The website has changed since this morning - the England under 20s game had their own article with the Scotland/Ireland/Wales games mentioned briefly at the bottom.

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Post by SecretFly Wed 08 Jun 2016, 1:33 pm

Well it was against main contenders Italy...so.................

Stop complaining. Some games are more important than others - fact!

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Post by Jimpy Wed 08 Jun 2016, 1:36 pm

SecretFly wrote:Well it was against main contenders Italy...so.................  

Stop complaining.  Some games are more important than others - fact!

To be fair, Italy beating England would be more of a headline than if they'd beaten Scotland, Ireland or Wales.... especially at junior level....

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Post by Irish Londoner Wed 08 Jun 2016, 1:42 pm

SecretFly wrote:It seems that in France there are two philosophical tribes
- one tribe that believes in weight, scrum, enforcer-type linebreakers and hard-at-it forward menace
- the other tribe believe in perpetual motion, complex geometric bamboozle passing, punishing pace and evasion.

The two philosophies haven't found a happy medium and there doesn't seem to be anyone there to weld the two into a whole, players instead deciding for themselves what they're trying to do.

It's always like a jigsaw missing always and only one piece to bind it.

Hence "You never know which French side will turn up"

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Post by SecretFly Wed 08 Jun 2016, 1:43 pm

So the Headline story both ways?

I'm comfortable with that.
Take it easy Jimp, I'm only adding some lip service to the mischief mood.

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Post by RDW Wed 08 Jun 2016, 1:53 pm

Ach us Scots like to have a whinge about the BBC - it is bad enough that BBC Scotland gives more billing to 3rd division football matches than Edinburgh or Glasgow games never mind us finally having a newsworthy story at juniour level!

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Post by Jimpy Wed 08 Jun 2016, 2:05 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Ach us Scots like to have a whinge about the BBC - it is bad enough that BBC Scotland gives more billing to 3rd division football matches than Edinburgh or Glasgow games never mind us finally having a newsworthy story at juniour level!

This might und a bit naïve, but does BBC Scotland have different home pages to BBC England -because I logged in at 0715 this morning, and the England/Bodyline story was the top rugby story?

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Post by No 7&1/2 Wed 08 Jun 2016, 2:09 pm

It was only put up 4 hours ago though...

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Post by Anglobraveheart Wed 08 Jun 2016, 2:10 pm

Has anyone got any tips on how to get tickets for the U20 games at the Manchester City Academy Stadium on Saturday 11 June?
Ticketmaster is advertising them, but the web site doesn't work, even when you register with them..... A colleague has rung Ticketmaster, and they think it's only on there for advertising purposes....... And the man City Stadium advised to contact Ticketmaster!!  HELP??? (would be gratefully appreciated).

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Post by Jimpy Wed 08 Jun 2016, 2:14 pm

Anglobraveheart wrote:Has anyone got any tips on how to get tickets for the U20 games at the Manchester City Academy Stadium on Saturday 11 June?
Ticketmaster is advertising them, but the web site doesn't work, even when you register with them..... A colleague has rung Ticketmaster, and they think it's only on there for advertising purposes....... And the man City Stadium advised to contact Ticketmaster!!  HELP??? (would be gratefully appreciated).

Judging by attendances I saw on TV yesterday, you should just be able to turn up and buy one!

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Post by lostinwales Wed 08 Jun 2016, 2:18 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:
Jimpy wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:England pumped Italy as expected - something the BBC website led with instead of Scotland's big upset or the dramatic game between Ireland and Wales, which got a minor mention at the end of the article!

Actually, it didn't. The headline was all about Eddie Jones showing his players videos about 'Bodyline'....

The Scotland and England games got equal billing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union

The website has changed since this morning - the England under 20s game had their own article with the Scotland/Ireland/Wales games mentioned briefly at the bottom.

Wales Ireland
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/36459582

Scotland Oz
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/36478254

It is all there - apparently - eventually

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Post by lostinwales Wed 08 Jun 2016, 2:20 pm

Jimpy wrote:
Anglobraveheart wrote:Has anyone got any tips on how to get tickets for the U20 games at the Manchester City Academy Stadium on Saturday 11 June?
Ticketmaster is advertising them, but the web site doesn't work, even when you register with them..... A colleague has rung Ticketmaster, and they think it's only on there for advertising purposes....... And the man City Stadium advised to contact Ticketmaster!!  HELP??? (would be gratefully appreciated).

Judging by attendances I saw on TV yesterday, you should just be able to turn up and buy one!

Bought mine on ticketmaster via the U20's website a couple of weeks ago. Wish I had more time/sons were more interested/wife hadn't booked us for the dentists when Ireland play NZ - as the tickets are very cheap. But I will be there for Scotland/England

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Post by Anglobraveheart Wed 08 Jun 2016, 2:30 pm

Thanks LiW, which U20's website? the English RFU or Welsh please?

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Post by lostinwales Wed 08 Jun 2016, 2:48 pm

Anglobraveheart wrote:Thanks LiW, which U20's website? the English RFU or Welsh please?

Started at
http://www.worldrugby.org/u20/tournament-info/ticketing

The link on the page takes you through to

http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/u20champs

The price you pay for a single ticket covers all games at that stadium for the day.

Good luck

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Post by Anglobraveheart Wed 08 Jun 2016, 4:01 pm

Thank you. Still no joy with ticket master, so I'll ring the stadium later. Could be that it's sold out, but looking at yesterday's coverage, I'd be surprised.

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Post by SecretFly Wed 08 Jun 2016, 4:08 pm

lostinwales wrote: when Ireland play NZ - the tickets are very cheap.

Says it all really Crying or Very sad   Who wants to pay to watch a Junior All Black side have a no-contact training session?

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Post by mikey_dragon Thu 09 Jun 2016, 10:28 am

Jason Strange alluding to Ireland's good recycling game: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/36478753 - I agree with that. It's certainly something that transfers across to Ireland's provincial teams and national team.

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Post by PenfroPete Thu 09 Jun 2016, 12:38 pm

SATURDAY 11 JUNE
New Zealand v Ireland - Sky Sports 3 HD (13:15)

Wales v Georgia - Sky Sports 3 HD (15:30)

England v Scotland - Sky Sports 3 HD (17:45)
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Post by mikey_dragon Thu 09 Jun 2016, 10:20 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/36492616 things get worse for Wales as Beard is banned for reckless contact with an opponent's eyes.

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Post by marty2086 Fri 10 Jun 2016, 9:28 am

mikey_dragon wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/36492616 things get worse for Wales as Beard is banned for reckless contact with an opponent's eyes.

Think hes a lucky boy, seemed deliberate at the time

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Post by asoreleftshoulder Fri 10 Jun 2016, 9:39 am

Dunno,he's not looking where his hand is.It's reckless but I wouldn't think it's a deliberate gouge.

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Post by RDW Fri 10 Jun 2016, 9:40 am

You don't need to see to know where you're putting your hand...

I'm not saying it was deliberate but it was certainly reckless

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Post by marty2086 Fri 10 Jun 2016, 10:22 am

If it was just his hand then there'd be no problem its what he does with his fingers, he seems to make a pinching motion towards the eyes that's why I think hes lucky

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Post by mikey_dragon Fri 10 Jun 2016, 12:42 pm

He was certainly a silly boy. He's our best lock forward too so it will have impacted the team as well as his career.

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Post by Cumbrian Fri 10 Jun 2016, 1:57 pm

England squad for the match against Scotland:

15. Darren Atkins (Bath Rugby)

14. Sam Aspland-Robinson (Harlequins)

13. Joe Marchant (Harlequins)

12. Johnny Williams (London Irish)

11. Matt Gallagher (Saracens)

10. Harry Mallinder (Northampton Saints)

9. Max Green (Yorkshire Carnegie)

1. Tom West (Wasps)

2. Jack Walker (Yorkshire Carnegie) - captain

3. Billy Walker (Saracens)

4. Stan South (Harlequins)

5. Huw Taylor (Worcester Warriors)

6. George Nott (Sale Sharks)

7. Will Evans (Leicester Tigers)

8. Callum Chick (Newcastle Falcons)

Replacements:

16. Jack Singleton (Worcester Warriors), 17. Lewis Boyce (Yorkshire Carnegie), 18. Will Stuart (Wasps), 19. Andrew Kitchener (Worcester Warriors), 20. Zach Mercer (Bath Rugby), 21. Harry Randall (Gloucester Rugby), 22. Max Malins (Saracens), 23. Ollie Thorley (Gloucester Rugby)
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Post by RDW Fri 10 Jun 2016, 1:58 pm

That's a very talented 10-12 axis

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Post by mikey_dragon Fri 10 Jun 2016, 2:12 pm

How different is that England U20 team from the 6N? I can only see a few obvious ones in the backs.

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Post by BamBam Fri 10 Jun 2016, 2:22 pm

England Under-20s: Max Malins (Saracens), George Perkins (Saracens), Charlie Thacker (Leicester Tigers), George Worth (Leicester Tigers), Ollie Thorley (Gloucester Rugby), Mathew Protheroe (Gloucester Rugby), Max Green (Yorkshire Carnegie); Callum Chick (Newcastle Falcons - captain), Sam Smith (Worcester Warriors), George Nott (Sale Sharks), Andrew Kitchener (Worcester Warriors), Huw Taylor (Worcester Warriors), Will Stuart (Wasps), Jack Singleton (Worcester Warriors), Lewis Boyce (Yorkshire Carnegie)

That was the side that lost to Wales in the 6N

Compared to those, I'd say the following are a big step up in quality

Marchant
Williams
Mallinder (although not seen him play much 10, he's very talented)
Jack Walker
Evans

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Post by profitius Fri 10 Jun 2016, 2:23 pm

Betts the only change for Ireland. He played practically the full match last week so its basically unchanged.
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Post by marty2086 Fri 10 Jun 2016, 4:53 pm

profitius wrote:Betts the only change for Ireland. He played practically the full match last week so its basically unchanged.

Really surprised there aren't more changes, just to freshen it up but also Id prefer McPhillips at 10 to offer a bit more threat to the Baby Blacks

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Post by SecretFly Fri 10 Jun 2016, 5:05 pm

.............. the journey ends here. We ain't no threat no matter who we pick at 10.

At least that's the way I like to think before a big surprise, shock-of-the-tournament win! Cool

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Post by marty2086 Fri 10 Jun 2016, 5:08 pm

SecretFly wrote:.............. the journey ends here.  We ain't no threat no matter who we pick at 10.

At least that's the way I like to think before a big surprise, shock-of-the-tournament win! Cool

Ill be shocked if its under 10 point difference when NZ win

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Post by profitius Fri 10 Jun 2016, 7:06 pm

marty2086 wrote:
profitius wrote:Betts the only change for Ireland. He played practically the full match last week so its basically unchanged.

Really surprised there aren't more changes, just to freshen it up but also Id prefer McPhillips at 10 to offer a bit more threat to the Baby Blacks


McPhillips? Shocked Johnston was a big upgrade on McPhillips. He made a few mistakes but was left on the 80 min, his first 80 min since december.
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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri 10 Jun 2016, 9:26 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:How different is that England U20 team from the 6N? I can only see a few obvious ones in the backs.

Captain Walker in at hooker (he's just agreed a move to Bath and is likely to be their first choice by the end of next season) and Evans in at openside who ended the season ahead of Croft in the pecking order and on the bench for Tigers play off semi final (at only 19 Eddie Jones has already requested recordings of his training sessions).

That's a couple of good additions to the lack and in the backs its all change particularly with the removal of the flaky Protheroe who lacked any physicality and replaced by one of two AP experienced options. The centres that have come in are AP experienced as well. Much stronger team for this tournament.

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Post by marty2086 Fri 10 Jun 2016, 9:34 pm

profitius wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
profitius wrote:Betts the only change for Ireland. He played practically the full match last week so its basically unchanged.

Really surprised there aren't more changes, just to freshen it up but also Id prefer McPhillips at 10 to offer a bit more threat to the Baby Blacks


McPhillips? Shocked  Johnston was a big upgrade on McPhillips. He made a few mistakes but was left on the 80 min, his first 80 min since december.

An upgrade? He did nothing except receive the ball and pass it right away, he didnt attack the gainline or look to create anything

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Post by aucklandlaurie Fri 10 Jun 2016, 9:37 pm

With a couple of minutes to go in the Baby Blacks game against Georgia, Open side flanker Mitchell Jacobsen complained to the referee that he had been bitten in a maul.

A Geogian player has now been banned for nine weeks for biting.

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Post by RDW Fri 10 Jun 2016, 10:32 pm

Scotland make 8 changes from the Australia game, suggesting they're targeting the Italy game which is fair enough.

Still a decent squad but I suspect England will just have too much.

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Post by profitius Sat 11 Jun 2016, 12:02 am

marty2086 wrote:
profitius wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
profitius wrote:Betts the only change for Ireland. He played practically the full match last week so its basically unchanged.

Really surprised there aren't more changes, just to freshen it up but also Id prefer McPhillips at 10 to offer a bit more threat to the Baby Blacks


McPhillips? Shocked  Johnston was a big upgrade on McPhillips. He made a few mistakes but was left on the 80 min, his first 80 min since december.

An upgrade? He did nothing except receive the ball and pass it right away, he didnt attack the gainline or look to create anything


Maybe there was no space down his channel to run at.

I disagree about him not being crestive. Ireland got a lot of possession from his kicking and his passing was good.
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Post by doctor_grey Sat 11 Jun 2016, 3:44 am

Just watched the replay of the England-Italy match. YOu know what is comeing......
Prince Harry, future England and Lions Captain, looked like the goods.

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Post by lostinwales Sat 11 Jun 2016, 8:49 am

doctor_grey wrote:Just watched the replay of the England-Italy match.  YOu know what is comeing......
Prince Harry, future England and Lions Captain, looked like the goods.  

Have only seen highlights so far but thought the chip for the winger's try was pretty good.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 11 Jun 2016, 10:29 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Scotland make 8 changes from the Australia game, suggesting they're targeting the Italy game which is fair enough.

Still a decent squad but I suspect England will just have too much.

If as you say then very poor. Scotland U20 had a realistic chance of topping this pool. The Italy game was a given.

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Post by RDW Sat 11 Jun 2016, 10:35 am

Half of those changes are injuries and the coach has always said he was going to rotate the squad for this game. To be fair a number of those changes are like the like in terms of quality.

The games are so close together there's no way you can play the same team each game - rotation is to be expected.

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Post by lostinwales Sat 11 Jun 2016, 10:55 am

I don't know if its still the case but they used to have to rotate the squad as part of the rules

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 11 Jun 2016, 11:19 am

Fair enough RDW, you know more about that squad than I do.

LIW I don't think it's a rule and I'm not sure it ever was? Wales have rung the changes, but we're playing minnows Georgia.

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Post by The Great Aukster Sat 11 Jun 2016, 11:58 am

profitius wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
profitius wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
profitius wrote:Betts the only change for Ireland. He played practically the full match last week so its basically unchanged.

Really surprised there aren't more changes, just to freshen it up but also Id prefer McPhillips at 10 to offer a bit more threat to the Baby Blacks


McPhillips? Shocked  Johnston was a big upgrade on McPhillips. He made a few mistakes but was left on the 80 min, his first 80 min since december.

An upgrade? He did nothing except receive the ball and pass it right away, he didnt attack the gainline or look to create anything


Maybe there was no space down his channel to run at.

I disagree about him not being crestive. Ireland got a lot of possession from his kicking and his passing was good.

McPhillips looked very ordinary during the 6N, so it's fair enough to give Johnston another chance. However I didn't think Johnston looked any great shakes either in the Welsh game. I thought Brett Connon put in marginally better performances than both during the 6N but he's not in the squad so what do I know!

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Post by Not grey and not a ghost Sat 11 Jun 2016, 1:37 pm

Jordie Barrett. Can't help thinking we'll be hearing more of this lad.

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Post by Golden Sat 11 Jun 2016, 1:59 pm

The 14 half jogged around Stockdale there

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Post by Golden Sat 11 Jun 2016, 2:02 pm

Good response from the Irish there

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Post by eirebilly Sat 11 Jun 2016, 2:30 pm

Dare we believe?
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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 11 Jun 2016, 3:19 pm

Congrats Ireland, that was brilliant from your kids.

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