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Post by Pot Hale Tue 21 Jun 2016, 5:45 pm

First topic message reminder :

It's the one we all secretly hoped for - winning a test and being in with a chance to win the series.

The Boks transformed and then re-transformed somewhere in the middle of the second half of the second test. Ireland blew it.

Now there's a chance for Redemption or Ridicule.

At least Bok fans can't say Ireland haven't won a test away in South Africa anymore.....

Or when Irish fans point out after Saturday that the head-to-head record since 2000 is P 12, W 5 L 7, Bok fans won't say yeah but those wins were all at home, and Ireland haven't played in SA since 2004.

Small victories.....

In fact, come to think of it, when was the last time that South Africa toured Ireland, eh? Let's get the re-match set up now. November 2019, three-test tour by SA in Ireland, NZ can take on England, Argentina in Wales and Australia in Scotland. I'd buy tickets for those.

Meanwhile, there's a match on Saturday - same time, same place - different result??

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Post by Notch Thu 23 Jun 2016, 8:19 pm

Feck the football, it's all about the partying and this format means it goes on for a week longer for most teams.
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Post by thebandwagonsociety Fri 24 Jun 2016, 8:02 am

Sin é wrote:Having loads of minions involved in the Euros has really made this competition. Hope the Champs Cup people realise they made a mistake reducing the number of teams.

oh, and I can't get 'Will Griegs on fire out of my head'.

Surely with Stander back the crowd can sing

"CJ's on fire, and your outhalf is terrified!"

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Post by Pete330v2 Fri 24 Jun 2016, 9:43 am

I am so sick of that song Sin é, it's in my head day and night and as soon as I turn on a TV or radio to hear something else, it's on there too Sad
I never liked it as a pop song and I like it less now.

Still, it's great to watch the Irish party in France, complete eejits that they all are to a man.

Anyway, back to the real sporting event of the weekend, can we make history? I am praying so, we had the job done a week ago right up until those Boks took it from us. We just have to keep playing as we had done for a match and a half. Smile

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Post by SecretFly Fri 24 Jun 2016, 9:53 am

Pete330v2 wrote:I am so sick of that song Sin é, it's in my head day and night and as soon as I turn on a TV or radio to hear something else, it's on there too Sad


Oh how I agree with that. Please let it not appear at any point in the future modified as a rugby song.

I'm kinda tired of all chant songs actually...including Ole, Ole, Ole, Leinster, Leinster, Munster, Munster, Stand up for Ulstermen... and Fields of Athenry. We get it folks.... but not on ever damn 'great fans' video. Expand the song list for all sports or just cheer.

I'd prefer some tribal Zulu stuff - complex and with shields and spears and things Wink

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Post by Golden Sat 25 Jun 2016, 10:39 am

So gatland gets thumped 3-0 in NZ with no real plan of how to beat them, should pretty much rule him out of the lion's selection. Unfortunately that probably makes Schmidt favourite?

Hope he does not take that job. If he is still with Ireland that is

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat 25 Jun 2016, 4:10 pm

Not a good start.

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Post by carpet baboon Sat 25 Jun 2016, 4:13 pm

Yellow

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Post by Notch Sat 25 Jun 2016, 4:13 pm

We gonna get some poetic justice here? Two wrongs don't make a right but he lands on his neck and the precedent has been set.
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Post by Engine#4 Sat 25 Jun 2016, 4:14 pm

Consistency...

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Post by Notch Sat 25 Jun 2016, 4:14 pm

I'm sorry, but that is totally inconsistent again.
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Post by eirebilly Sat 25 Jun 2016, 4:15 pm

Ridiculous, CJ not in a position to get the ball = RED and La Roux deemed not in position to get the ball = YELLOW. Disgraceful.
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Post by Notch Sat 25 Jun 2016, 4:16 pm

Let's be clear- there's no way that should be a red. But it's a red 50% of the time under the current interpretation.
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Post by carpet baboon Sat 25 Jun 2016, 4:16 pm

We're looking a bit ponderous

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat 25 Jun 2016, 4:17 pm

Seriously, the consistency of this game is a joke.

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Post by clivemcl Sat 25 Jun 2016, 4:17 pm

eirebilly wrote:Ridiculous, CJ not in a position to get the ball = RED and La Roux deemed not in position to get the ball = YELLOW. Disgraceful.
Whilst I might agree with the lack of consistency, I do believe this call was correct and the CJ one was incorrect.

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Post by eirebilly Sat 25 Jun 2016, 4:18 pm

Notch wrote:Let's be clear- there's no way that should be a red. But it's a red 50% of the time under the current interpretation.

Its absolutely a red if CJ's was deemed a red.

For the record, I believe that both incidents were yellow but I want consistency.
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Post by eirebilly Sat 25 Jun 2016, 4:18 pm

clivemcl wrote:
eirebilly wrote:Ridiculous, CJ not in a position to get the ball = RED and La Roux deemed not in position to get the ball = YELLOW. Disgraceful.
Whilst I might agree with the lack of consistency, I do believe this call was correct and the CJ one was incorrect.

I do mean consistency thumbsup
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Post by eirebilly Sat 25 Jun 2016, 4:20 pm

Great try from Marshall Very Happy
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Post by carpet baboon Sat 25 Jun 2016, 4:20 pm

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Post by carpet baboon Sat 25 Jun 2016, 4:22 pm

Good defence from Healy

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Post by carpet baboon Sat 25 Jun 2016, 4:24 pm

Sa constantly rolling on the wrong side

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Post by Rugby Fan Sat 25 Jun 2016, 4:29 pm

I don't like how much focus seems to go on where a player lands, especially when he has little control over his movement after a collision, and all his instincts will be to try and land more safely.

You end up rewarding an offender for his victim's ability to avoid ruin.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat 25 Jun 2016, 4:41 pm

Typical SH referee - no idea why people think they are good. Jackson is dreadful at the breakdown.

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Post by Engine#4 Sat 25 Jun 2016, 4:44 pm

Great kick, great try. Henderson should have had a penalty, SA holding on.

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Post by eirebilly Sat 25 Jun 2016, 4:46 pm

How was that not a penalty to Ireland for holding on to the ball when Henderson looked to turn over in the lead up to the try?

I don't like to blame ref's but SA are certainly getting the rub of the green here.
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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat 25 Jun 2016, 4:46 pm

Engine#4 wrote:Great kick, great try.  Henderson should have had a penalty, SA holding on.

Yep.

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Post by kingraf Sat 25 Jun 2016, 4:47 pm

eirebilly wrote:How was that not a penalty to Ireland for holding on to the ball when Henderson looked to turn over in the lead up to the try?

I don't like to blame ref's but SA are certainly getting the rub of the green here.

Indeed. Just look at how Faf was stripped after the Irish went back five metres with no call #Yawn
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Post by eirebilly Sat 25 Jun 2016, 4:49 pm

kingraf wrote:
eirebilly wrote:How was that not a penalty to Ireland for holding on to the ball when Henderson looked to turn over in the lead up to the try?

I don't like to blame ref's but SA are certainly getting the rub of the green here.

Indeed. Just look at how Faf was stripped after the Irish went back five metres with no call #Yawn

Only he was back 10...
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Post by kingraf Sat 25 Jun 2016, 4:50 pm

eirebilly wrote:
kingraf wrote:
eirebilly wrote:How was that not a penalty to Ireland for holding on to the ball when Henderson looked to turn over in the lead up to the try?

I don't like to blame ref's but SA are certainly getting the rub of the green here.

Indeed. Just look at how Faf was stripped after the Irish went back five metres with no call #Yawn

Only he was back 10...

Do the Irish have a different metric for ten metres?
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Post by eirebilly Sat 25 Jun 2016, 4:54 pm

kingraf wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
kingraf wrote:
eirebilly wrote:How was that not a penalty to Ireland for holding on to the ball when Henderson looked to turn over in the lead up to the try?

I don't like to blame ref's but SA are certainly getting the rub of the green here.

Indeed. Just look at how Faf was stripped after the Irish went back five metres with no call #Yawn

Only he was back 10...

Do the Irish have a different metric for ten metres?

Looked ok to me but if the ruling went against Ireland I would understand.

How do you feel the ruling against La Roux was compared to the ruling against CJ in the first test?

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Post by kingraf Sat 25 Jun 2016, 4:57 pm

eirebilly wrote:
kingraf wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
kingraf wrote:
eirebilly wrote:How was that not a penalty to Ireland for holding on to the ball when Henderson looked to turn over in the lead up to the try?

I don't like to blame ref's but SA are certainly getting the rub of the green here.

Indeed. Just look at how Faf was stripped after the Irish went back five metres with no call #Yawn

Only he was back 10...

Do the Irish have a different metric for ten metres?

Looked ok to me but if the ruling went against Ireland I would understand.

How do you feel the ruling against La Roux was compared to the ruling against CJ in the first test?


Obviously got a little lucky. Not quite like for like but I'd understand a red
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Post by eirebilly Sat 25 Jun 2016, 5:00 pm

I think it was pretty like for like myself given the ref's explanation. Fairness I believe both were yellow cards.

Not taking it away from the try (the lack of a penalty) as it was a perfect kick and chase.

Hopefully Ireland can turn it up a notch in the second half and be a little more clinical. Marshall took his try well but he is not having the best of games, Olding is playing brilliantly.
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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat 25 Jun 2016, 5:03 pm

eirebilly wrote:I think it was pretty like for like myself given the ref's explanation. Fairness I believe both were yellow cards.

Not taking it away from the try (the lack of a penalty) as it was a perfect kick and chase.

Hopefully Ireland can turn it up a notch in the second half and be a little more clinical. Marshall took his try well but he is not having the best of games, Olding is playing brilliantly.

Marshall looks very strong in contact but he is making a few too many mistakes.

Similar story with Jackson.

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Post by Exiledinborders Sat 25 Jun 2016, 5:10 pm

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eirebilly wrote:Ridiculous, CJ not in a position to get the ball = RED and La Roux deemed not in position to get the ball = YELLOW. Disgraceful.
Whilst I might agree with the lack of consistency, I do believe this call was correct and the CJ one was incorrect.

Both were red.

Today, if La Roux is deemed not in a position to get the ball and player lands on his neck then it must be a red. If La Roux is deemed to be a position to get the ball then it is not even a penalty. It cannot possibly be a yellow. It must be red or nothing.


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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat 25 Jun 2016, 5:15 pm

As expected, the backline isn't functioning very well in this game.

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Post by Engine#4 Sat 25 Jun 2016, 5:17 pm

Disappointing from Ireland. Too many dropped balls. Two visits to the 22 in the last few and no points.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat 25 Jun 2016, 5:19 pm

Most of the offloads we have attempted have been unsuccessful. Perhaps Joe was right and the vast majority our players (with the exception of Payne) aren't actually good at it.

I would bring Dillane on for Murphy, move Henderson to 6.

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Post by eirebilly Sat 25 Jun 2016, 5:19 pm

Cant see Ireland winning this now, very uncharacteristic of them to have too many handling errors. That and the scrum is being destroyed.
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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat 25 Jun 2016, 5:28 pm

Okay Schmidt, time to bring on the impact subs.

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Post by Engine#4 Sat 25 Jun 2016, 5:28 pm

What was that penalty for? Not rolling away?

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Post by kingraf Sat 25 Jun 2016, 5:31 pm

eirebilly wrote:Cant see Ireland winning this now, very uncharacteristic of them to have too many handling errors. That and the scrum is being destroyed.

Not to worry. The magic of Allister Coetzee rugby is that the opposition will always be within reach. And by that I mean even when his sides are winning. Defeat is still possble at all times
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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat 25 Jun 2016, 5:31 pm

You have to be kidding me - the amount of time they get to hold onto the ball is just crazy.

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Post by eirebilly Sat 25 Jun 2016, 5:32 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:You have to be kidding me - the amount of time they get to hold onto the ball is just crazy.

It is truly unbelievable.
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Post by eirebilly Sat 25 Jun 2016, 5:36 pm

A shout out to Earls for his game today, did very well I thought.
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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat 25 Jun 2016, 5:40 pm

That was inevitable.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat 25 Jun 2016, 5:42 pm

Not sure why we went with Ruddock for CJ and Dillane for Henderson.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 25 Jun 2016, 5:43 pm

That was hard earned from SA and an excellent performance from Ireland. Good series.

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Post by Notch Sat 25 Jun 2016, 5:44 pm

Gutted
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Post by kingraf Sat 25 Jun 2016, 5:44 pm

Good game. We played well enough given the fact that we had no ball. Gonna get slaughtered by the All Blacks though
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Post by marty2086 Sat 25 Jun 2016, 5:45 pm

Where exactly was De Klerks realise and roll away on the last tackle?

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