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Post by beninho on Fri 17 Jun - 23:00

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McLaren wrote:
beninho wrote:Having concerns about EU immigration does not make you a far right nutter or xenophobe. Mclaren, what is your knowledge on EU immigration, what dealings do you have with it? Can you see why people may have concerns about it?


Unless your concerns about how we can offer a more humane immigration system then you are xenophobe.  If you are worried about the geographical location of where someone popped out of a uterus then you are not thinking rationally.

And no, I cannot see why anyone would have any issue with the current levels of immigration to/from the UK.  Unless as I said above you are worried about how some people coming here are treated.

Do you not agree that an expanding population due to EU immigration, would lead to an extra burden on the NHS, housing, benefit and other public services aswell as the rise in rents?

Do you think that EU immigration, where people get fake payslips in order to claim benefits, working tax credits child tax credits and housing assistance? Or people that work minimal hours and tdo not pay any tax or nino who then can claim housing and benefit assistance? Or people that illegally overstay in the country, in order to achieve a loophole and gain housing or benefit assistance.

All of these are ongoing issues, though you did not answer my question in the first place.


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Post by super_realist on Thu 28 Jul - 18:22

Mostly small algal type plants and types of plankton. How ironic.

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Post by McLaren on Thu 28 Jul - 19:11

How has it been determined what organisms contributed the hydrocarbons that make up oil? Is it based on knowledge of what was alive at the time, and therefore what was likely to have ended up on the seabed, or are concentrations of certain molecules found that point to certain types of organism?
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Post by super_realist on Thu 28 Jul - 19:33

McLaren wrote:How has it been determined what organisms contributed the hydrocarbons that make up oil? Is it based on knowledge of what was alive at the time, and therefore what was likely to have ended up on the seabed, or are concentrations of certain molecules found that point to certain types of organism?

Mac, you claim to be a scientist. If you need to ask such a ridiculous question, I sincerely doubt you have the MSc you claim to have.

Here's a clue, we know the chemical composition of different types of oil, and therefore what the source is. (a fish can't produce plant material)

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Post by McLaren on Thu 28 Jul - 19:41

Super

I wouldn't pretend to know what happens to biological molecules after spending millions of years at high temps and pressure. For all I know you can't determine the types of critter they came from after all that time in those conditions.

Sorry for asking. Rolling Eyes
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Post by super_realist on Thu 28 Jul - 19:49

Mac, Two words:- Organic Chemistry.

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Post by McLaren on Thu 28 Jul - 19:59

Super

Well done, there is a lot of organic chemistry in biological systems. Still a bit of a leap of faith to assume I know what happens to the molecules in high temp high pressure under the sea for a few million years.
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Post by super_realist on Thu 28 Jul - 20:04

Mac, it would be an even bigger leap of faith to consider that a molecule from a fish could somehow be turned into a plant molecule through pressure and time.

You should know that Science doesn't claim absolutes, it is the best model to explain what is most likely true in light of the available evidence.

The available evidence shows that the origin of oil is due mostly to microscopic plant life and this is backed up by the organic chemistry.

Look up Oil Kitchen for more information.

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Post by McLaren on Thu 28 Jul - 20:57

Super

I am not doubting what is there, I was just genuinely interested in how it was determined what the source of oil was.

I just wasn't sure that plant specific molecules (I guess some of the cell wall or chlorplasts not seen in animals?) can survive those conditions. After all plants are Eukaryotes as well.


Also, organic chemistry is just any chemistry to do with carbon. It isn't a technique, so nothing can be backed up organic chemistry.
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Post by super_realist on Thu 28 Jul - 22:50

I'm not an organic chemist Mac, but clearly they know how to differentiate between what is plant life based and what is animal based. It's not just blanket labelling everything that has lived as being carbon and that that is all Organic Chemistry is. I presume things like viscosity, wax content, length of the carbon molecules help determine from whence it came.

I suspect Spectrometers, Radiometrics and the like can also be used to determine the makeup of particular gases and liquids.

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Post by McLaren on Thu 28 Jul - 23:25

Super, I am sure some of the techniques you list above have been used to determine what is down there but I am not sure you grasp just how similar you and a plant are.

You and a plant are made of pretty much the same 4 groups of macromolecules (polymers of amino acids, lipids, carbohydrates and nucleic acids) and your cells have pretty much the same organelles(structures which carry out the vital tasks that keep the cell alive), except that plants usually contain chloroplasts and have a cell wall. The length of the carbon chains in the monomers used to make you and plants will be the same. You and a plant are just a different arrangement of the basic building blocks of life. And you and a plant share more in common than almost all life on the planet, i.e vs bacteria and archaea, because you and plants are Eukaryotes.

If you put you and a plant in a blender and added some detergent the resulting gunk would probably undergo the same chemical reactions if placed under the sea bed for a million or so years.

I assume something distinguishing must be left as it is known what oil is made from but I would be interested to know exactly how you would determine the origins of the molecules that become crude oil.
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Post by MustPuttBetter on Thu 28 Jul - 23:28

I bit my fingernail down too far this morning and now it's quite sore
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Post by super_realist on Thu 28 Jul - 23:31

Mac, no point arguing with me about it, argue with an Organic Chemist.

Stop trying to use your secondary school knowledge of Biology to try and infer that they can't state what oil is made from.

There's a lot of geology to consider too, which helps to explain HOW the organisms come to be in the correct formation. This couldn't happen with independent animals which are motile and are independent of others as they wouldn't end up in sufficiently big fields.

Marine plantlife and plankton are subject to the motion of the sea, and this is reflected in how they end up in the rock

If you are still confused, or are just being a petulant moron, please look up what a SOURCE ROCK is.

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Post by McLaren on Thu 28 Jul - 23:40

Super

I am not arguing that it is not plant life down there, as I have said a number of times I was just wondering if you knew how it was confirmed that it was indeed mainly plant life. I mentioned the stuff above to demonstrate that whatever tests are carried out to determine the origin of crude must be quite subtle and quite interesting. I also mentioned it as you seemed to indicate you thought that animal and plant life were substantially different, and they are not really, especially when they have been dead for a million + years.

****But I repeat, I am not questioning the idea that it is plant life I was just interested how that was demonstrated.*********
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Post by super_realist on Thu 28 Jul - 23:48

Like I say, I'm not an organic chemist, so I can't tell you.

However, can you imagine fields the size of London and 100 metres thick the world over being made entirely of fish, or do you think it fits in more with rising and falling sea levels and high volumes of very small plants and plankton?

It's like you claiming that you can't tell what coal is made from because it's also old. It's not in doubt.

Animals and plants are sufficiently different in that we can tell them apart. And yes, If I put a plant and an animal in a blender, it would be very obvious which was which, and there would be plenty of tests to determine it, even after millions of years.
It's not my job to determine the source of the oil, it's my job to interpret where it is likely to be. It could be made of anything for all I care.

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Post by pedro on Thu 28 Jul - 23:50

I wonder what would happen if we put super and mac into a blender.

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Post by westisbest on Fri 29 Jul - 1:19

I think Mac has a crush on super heart

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Post by McLaren on Fri 29 Jul - 1:50

I would probably give him a hand job just out of sympathy.
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Post by Roller_Coaster on Fri 29 Jul - 18:24

MustPuttBetter wrote:I bit my fingernail down too far this morning and now it's quite sore

That's a proper b*gger that MPB. How you feeling today? On the road back?

Hope it all goes OK anyway.

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Post by super_realist on Fri 29 Jul - 18:36

Roller_Coaster wrote:
MustPuttBetter wrote:I bit my fingernail down too far this morning and now it's quite sore

That's a proper b*gger that MPB. How you feeling today? On the road back?

Hope it all goes OK anyway.

Not quite as bad as putting your hand in your pocket and a broken tee goes under your fingernail. Oof.

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Post by pedro on Fri 29 Jul - 18:49

super_realist wrote:
Roller_Coaster wrote:
MustPuttBetter wrote:I bit my fingernail down too far this morning and now it's quite sore

That's a proper b*gger that MPB. How you feeling today? On the road back?

Hope it all goes OK anyway.

Not quite as bad as putting your hand in your pocket and a broken tee goes under your fingernail. Oof.
Only the Scottish would put a broken tee in their pocket...

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Post by McLaren on Fri 29 Jul - 19:22

At the end of a round I put broken tees back into my tee pocket in my bag. Feels like a waste to hit and break a new tee with an iron or fairway wood so I save the broken tees for those shots.
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Post by Davie on Fri 29 Jul - 19:36

I once found a Scottish tee with the cross of St Andrew on it - repaired with cellotape!

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Post by pedro on Fri 29 Jul - 19:46

Davie wrote:I once found a Scottish tee with the cross of St Andrew on it - repaired with cellotape!
Scotch tape?

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Post by navyblueshorts on Fri 29 Jul - 21:09

Never understood the attraction for wooden tees tbh, although I'll happily use fragments found on par 3 tees to tee off on those holes.
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Post by pedro on Fri 29 Jul - 21:34

It's all sentiments. I guess it's like wine with screw cap vs cork.

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Post by McLaren on Fri 29 Jul - 21:36

Navy

Would you use a castle tee?
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Post by super_realist on Fri 29 Jul - 22:04

navyblueshorts wrote:Never understood the attraction for wooden tees tbh, although I'll happily use fragments found on par 3 tees to tee off on those holes.

I prefer wooden to plastic.

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Post by MustPuttBetter on Fri 29 Jul - 23:40

Roller_Coaster wrote:
MustPuttBetter wrote:I bit my fingernail down too far this morning and now it's quite sore

That's a proper b*gger that MPB. How you feeling today? On the road back?

Hope it all goes OK anyway.

Chaps, thank you so much for asking.
Thankfully, it's really improved today. Def on the road to recovery. Been icing it and doing a touch of physio.
Lucky really as i'm playing tomorrow and I really think i'm going to take a lot of shots. A lot of shots. So best try and be in tip top physical condition
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Post by raycastleunited on Sat 30 Jul - 1:05

super_realist wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:Never understood the attraction for wooden tees tbh, although I'll happily use fragments found on par 3 tees to tee off on those holes.

I prefer wooden to plastic.

What difference does it make?

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Post by navyblueshorts on Sat 30 Jul - 3:14

McLaren wrote:Navy

Would you use a castle tee?
Nope. Can't adjust them to suit.
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Post by Be_the_ball on Sun 31 Jul - 20:47

navyblueshorts wrote:
McLaren wrote:Navy

Would you use a castle tee?
Nope. Can't adjust them to suit.

Castle tees always remind me of pitch & putt...

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Post by McLaren on Sun 31 Jul - 20:51

What makes you more of a duffer; castle tee, a chipper or Iron head covers?

Or can you think of something else that is the hackers ultimate item?
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Post by super_realist on Mon 1 Aug - 1:51

McLaren wrote:What makes you more of a duffer; castle tee, a chipper or Iron head covers?

Or can you think of something else that is the hackers ultimate item?

A novelty head cover, especially a Tiger one. That confirms you as both a whankerr man sausage and a chopper.

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Post by McLaren on Mon 1 Aug - 2:21

Super

It will come as no surprise to you that as a youth I had a tiger headcover. I guess the whankerr theory holds true. Crying or Very sad
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Post by MustPuttBetter on Mon 1 Aug - 3:11

Erm, I have covers on my irons. Damn it
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Post by McLaren on Mon 1 Aug - 3:27

wrote:Erm, I have covers on my irons. Damn it

Doh
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Post by MustPuttBetter on Mon 1 Aug - 3:30

The jangling drives me mad!
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Post by McLaren on Mon 1 Aug - 3:31

Just hope you don't have some Donney's under them.
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Post by MustPuttBetter on Mon 1 Aug - 3:42

Ha I may as well have, the difference it makes...
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Post by super_realist on Mon 1 Aug - 16:45

McLaren wrote:Super

It will come as no surprise to you that as a youth I had a tiger headcover.  I guess the whankerr theory holds true.  Crying or Very sad

As a youth Mac, it's almost acceptable, however you still see adults doing it now, which is about as sad and tragic as an adult wearing a football shirt.

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Post by westisbest on Mon 1 Aug - 18:27

You have issues if something that trivial bothers you.


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Post by Roller_Coaster on Mon 1 Aug - 18:36

westisbest wrote:You have issues if something that trivial bothers you.


Fixed it for you Westy.

Paradise for a psychoanalyst this place sometimes.

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Post by lorus59 on Tue 2 Aug - 20:38

In Thailand when I played golf I saw guys using a large plastic tee with a smaller tee attached to it with a piece of string. They placed both in the ground so that the large tee could not be lost.

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Post by super_realist on Tue 2 Aug - 21:06

lorus59 wrote:In Thailand when I played golf I saw guys using a large plastic tee with a smaller tee attached to it with a piece of string. They placed both in the ground so that the large tee could not be lost.

Ha ha, I once played with someone who spent at least two minutes looking for a tee. They cost nothing.

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Post by McLaren on Tue 2 Aug - 21:12

lorus59 wrote:In Thailand when I played golf I saw guys using a large plastic tee with a smaller tee attached to it with a piece of string. They placed both in the ground so that the large tee could not be lost.


Not uncommon to see that in Scotland. I have seen a few guys play with a tee attached to a pencil or something else a bit heavier so that the tee can't fly off and get lost.


Anyone on here ever get sucked in by those brush tee things? I used to get them as stocking fillers for a few Christmas's in row but just wondered if anyone ever actually bought them?
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Post by super_realist on Tue 2 Aug - 21:22

Not seen anyone use them Mac, but I've seen plenty Castle and Crown tees.

People are so tight up here that I was playing TOC the other week and a tourist (with a caddy) had driven up 18 short of the road and the ball they were playing with was at least 10 years old. If you pay 170 + caddy + travel and accommodation, why would you use such a rotten old ball?

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Post by McLaren on Tue 2 Aug - 22:16

Super I regularly play with balls that are about 10 years old and my driver is about 9 years old. I wonder if I played with new tech if I would hit it 350? Wink
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Post by super_realist on Tue 2 Aug - 22:27

Should we call you Shylock Mac?

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Post by McLaren on Wed 3 Aug - 8:11

No, why would you call me that?
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