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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sat 13 Aug 2016, 12:47 am

First topic message reminder :

The other thread is coming to an end and I think it's nice to have a new memory to take us through this year.

And with the new season starting today, what better time to refresh things and start again. The preamble of pre-season is over: 2016/17 LETS BE AVIN YA

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Post by Ent on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 4:30 pm

Lol.

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Post by Fernando on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 4:31 pm

Arsenal 1-0 Liverpool - Theo Walcott

Moreno so far up the pitch could of been in Spain.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 4:31 pm

Theo 1-0 #Mignoletsin

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 4:31 pm

Relief for (nearly) everyone who has taken advantage of BET365's generosity.

Tidy finish from gorgeous, gorgeous Theo.

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 4:33 pm

The awful standard of PL defending seems set to continue for another season.

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Post by Ent on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 4:34 pm

Any half decent fullback could make themselves a lot of money over the next few seasons.

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Post by Fernando on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 4:40 pm

It's why im always so happy to see Monreal on the team sheet, He might not the most exciting but he's always consistently solid Laugh 5000-1 - The 2016/17 Premier League thread - Page 2 3559488474

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Post by Ent on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 4:43 pm

Some dive that.

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Post by Fernando on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 4:45 pm

Wasn't quite as good as Rooney's earlier.

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Post by Ent on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 4:46 pm

Mata's was the worst.

Great freekick.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 4:46 pm

What a freekick Coutinho! 1-1

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Post by Fernando on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 4:46 pm

Arsenal 1-1 Liverpool - Coutinho

Quality Free Kick

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 4:47 pm

Inch-perfect from Coutinho.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 5:06 pm

Lallana 2-1

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 5:13 pm

Liverpool starting to take the p!ss now, which is probably the greatest humiliation in football for an opposing side.

1-3.

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Post by Ent on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 5:13 pm

Same old arsenal.

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Post by Ent on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 5:16 pm

Should have been 4, not looking good for arsenal this.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 5:16 pm

Chambers lost at sea

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 5:18 pm

And now Aaron Ramsey hobbling off. Horrific opening day for Arsenal.

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Post by Ent on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 5:20 pm

You could have predicted this though, only Sanchez and Cech are any use in this 11.

4-1.

Embarrassing.

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Post by Ent on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 5:21 pm

That great full back Monreal doing a super job of protecting his flank.

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 5:36 pm

3-4.

This shucks, I had £50 on it finishing 3-3! Laugh

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Post by Ent on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 5:43 pm

Xhaka could have had 2 yellows and he's only been on 25 minutes.

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Post by Guest on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 5:48 pm

I've not got SKY at the minute. Did I miss anything?

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Post by Crimey on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 5:58 pm

Good result.

Team was all over the place in first half, don't think Klopp can play Wjinaldum, Lallana and Henderson as a three, gives no protection to the back four. NEED to sign a new left back. Moreno isn't a lost cause but he's actually getting worse, think teams targeting him is affecting his confidence.

Coutinho turned the game around completely, he was fantastic. Unfortunate that he went down, was in for a hat-trick and feel like he would have been able to keep the performance going. Mane looked very good, his pace was much needed, really good goal and his general demeanour was great. Was impressed with Klavan as well, supposedly brought in as fourth choice, I think he'll probably end up being starting centre back by the end of the season. Wijanldum was disappointing, he's going to need a lot of work if he's going to play in centre midfield, not quick enough to react, passing wasn't good enough and didn't press as well as I expected.

Overall think we can be very pleased, Arsenal were the better team in the first half, but managed to come away with a draw and then in the second half took them apart. Obviously ended up taking foot off of the gas, but getting the win was the most important thing.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 6:01 pm

Mental game, two teams who couldnt defend, although I would be worried that one team had its first choice defence out.

Mane a perfect signing for Liverpool

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Post by Ent on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 6:02 pm

Had coutinho not gone off it would have been a rout.

Arsenal need to get rid of wenger, cut the chaff from their squad and sign some good players.

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Post by Crimey on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 6:13 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Mental game, two teams who couldnt defend, although I would be worried that one team had its first choice defence out.

Mane a perfect signing for Liverpool

Neither team had their first choice defence playing.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 6:39 pm

Matip may or may not be. One way or another, it was a weirdly unimpressive performance mixed in with some wonderful ones

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Post by Ent on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 6:40 pm

Liverpool pretty close to theirs, no?

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Post by Crimey on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 7:25 pm

I'd have thought it will take a little bit of time before first choice centre back pairing will be decided. If you'd asked at the end of last season, Sakho-Matip would be favourite, favourite now is probably Matip-Lovren, but Klavan has been giving a good account of himself and Sakho can't be discounted just because of pre-season shenanigans. 

I think Milner will likely be first choice left back going forward, make of that what you will, but that is what has been indicated. Sky seemed to think so too. 

The only person I'd say who is nailed on to start is Clyne. 

Arsenal had their first choice full backs today, just their fourth and fifth choice centre backs obviously.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 7:29 pm

Milner first choice left back?

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Post by Crimey on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 7:41 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Milner first choice left back?

What a time to be alive

Unfortunately so. I'd have more confidence in him than Moreno at this point personally.

I'm hoping Liverpool will go all out and sign a new left back in the next two weeks but not holding out too much hope.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 8:19 pm

May be the only positive of Cresswell being injured, Liverpool seemed to be sniffing around

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Post by Mat on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 8:34 pm

Stick a centre half at left back, works for us.

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Post by Crimey on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 8:35 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:May be the only positive of Cresswell being injured, Liverpool seemed to be sniffing around

I'd love him.

I just want another Clyne, somebody solid who is confident going forward but knows not too push too hard. 

In my life-time Liverpool haven't had a solid left back, but have had quite a few good solid right backs. Riise was similar to Moreno and ended up being played a lot in midfield, Traore was a mess, Aurelio was good but injured, Enrique was a bit like Moreno. Compared to Finnan who was unbelievably consistent, Arbeloa who was really underrated and now Clyne. It's really frustrating.

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Post by Crimey on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 8:36 pm

Mat wrote:Stick a centre half at left back, works for us.

I'd agree and play Klavan there who has done in the past. Unfortunately Klopp's system heavily relies on the full backs to provide width.

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Post by Crimey on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 9:10 pm

Xhaka is going to have a terrible disciplinary record by the end of this season I think, he came on and was hacking down everything he could see.

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Post by Ent on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 9:28 pm

Was his debut, need to see what he's like when he gets up to match pace.

Could have been sent off though.

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Post by Crimey on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 10:38 pm

He was sent off three times last year as well to be fair.

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Post by GSC on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 11:32 pm

Xhaka routinely has one of the worst disciplinary records yearly so it's not really a bold prediction.
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 11:48 pm

Arsenal need bite, and a player good at passing in between the lines from deep.

Mostly they need Lacazette (who got a hat trick this weekend)

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Post by Ent on Mon 15 Aug 2016, 7:47 am

They need a new manager and squad.

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Post by GSC on Mon 15 Aug 2016, 10:27 am

The squad part no. It needs additions badly and a few shipping out but it's certainly competitive enough in this PL.

The manager yes. I respect a lot of Wengers principles especially in contrast to the rest of the big sides in England's lack of them, but he has no idea how to build a title winning side in this PL era. Arsenal continually move laterally, any forward step will inevitably end in another backwards.
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Post by Guest on Mon 15 Aug 2016, 10:56 am

Managed to avoid the match yesterday whilst at the in-laws. Sat twitching like a cokehead dying to know what was going on so ended up watching the match at 9pm last night. Agree with the planet that Moreno needs to go, has learned absolutely nothing and does indeed appear to be getting worse. Was hoping Joe Gomez would have recovered sufficiently but then again the last thing I remember him doing was hacking down a Utd player to give away a penalty last year so maybe I shouldn't be wishing him a speedy recovery.

Thought we improved once Lallana started pushing forward and he, Henderson and Wijnaldum stopped getting in each other's way. Also thought Firmino grew into the game and had much more influence but he needs more big performances.

Mane was excellent, just hope he can be consistent. Looks good with the likes of him, Origi and of course Sturridge to rotate.

Cracking game, great result and hopefully a sign of things to come, but like I said to my wife, looks like Liverpool may be one of the few teams who need to score five to make sure of the victory.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Mon 15 Aug 2016, 11:05 am

If Wenger could just sacrifice about 10% of his pride and splash the cash on two signings, top notch centre back and a top notch forward, the Arsenal fans would get off his back a bit and he'd have a team capable of winning the league.

Fonte, who I keep seeing linked with Man United, would slot in lovely.

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Post by GSC on Mon 15 Aug 2016, 11:21 am

He needs some proven winners. He can't provide that mentality that title winners have so needs to buy in some that already have it.
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Post by Ent on Mon 15 Aug 2016, 11:25 am

Needs better players, they are t good enough - not a question of bottling it.

Also needs new physios or something, no coincidence arsenal have recurring injuries- they are doing something wrong.

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Post by Crimey on Mon 15 Aug 2016, 11:31 am

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Post by GSC on Mon 15 Aug 2016, 11:49 am

It's amazing what a change of manager and mentality can do. Look at United post Fergie.
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