Munster vs Cardiff Blues

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Anyone watching this!

The Blues offloading is insane!

It results in an early try for Tom James following several excellent offloads

Fish can barely walk but has to play on.

Need to keep the ball away from that side, keep it in the forwards

And it's over. good game.

Congrats Cardiff - deserved win.

Great result for the Blues. Munster badly need a decent 9.

MASSIVE win for the Blues,

Thought it was lost when Munster got back ahead, but the Blues bench made an impact and they finished the game strong.

Those kicks. Why?

The halfback partnership lost the game for Munster.

Maybe Welsh fans might be more positive about their teams and the league this season if results keep going like this.

So far, it's looking like it's going to be nicely competitive.

Amazing win for us! Big one vs Glasgow next week. Fancied Earle and Cook had very good games. Still need a replacement TH and another lock mind you.

Cardiff deserved winners. Munster will win nothing with the 9s and 10 they had tonight.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Those kicks. Why?

The halfback partnership lost the game for Munster.

Agreed. Although I'd blame the scrummie more. Criminal kicking it away and giving Cardiff opportunity to attack.

Got to say, that was a cracking game from both teams

Artful_Dodger wrote:Great result for the Blues.  Munster badly need a decent 9.

Well Conor Murray is a pretty decent 9.

And once Pienaar leaves, they'll have more half-decent Irish 9s than us remember. We might end up having to wave big bundles of cash at those average scrum-halves you know.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Those kicks. Why?

The halfback partnership lost the game for Munster.

Both Duncan Williams and Tomas O'Leary were shocking. Munster pursuing a strategy of a lot of box kicks to contest in the air with two scrumhalfs that can't box kick for toffee. Very good performance from the Blues no doubt with Halaholo still to arrive.

Notch wrote:Got to say, that was a cracking game from both teams

Artful_Dodger wrote:Great result for the Blues.  Munster badly need a decent 9.

Well Conor Murray is a pretty decent 9.

And once Pienaar leaves, they'll have more half-decent Irish 9s than us remember. We might end up having to wave big bundles of cash at those average scrum-halves you know.

Who have Munster got to fill the 10 shirt besides Keatley?

Bleyendaal?

Whoa!

Edinburgh gave Scarlets a smacking - 24-9!
And Zebre get a losing bonus point in their away match against Dragons.

Great win for the welsh ref...another first class bit of officiating.

Oh hang on am sounding like a whining welsh supporter

What a pleasant sounding player Sam Warburton is in interview. Very modest and self-effacing.

A well deserved win for Cardiff Blues. Well done. Also a very harshly denied try. Yes it was the right call, but I have seen more happen around the rucks in every other part of the pitch, like in football, a foul in the area, is not the same is as a foul out of the area.

Also, has anyone seen a more stubborn side than Munster ? Take the Munster coaches on the Lions tour. They really fill their players with that, no backwards step attitude.

Pot Hale wrote:Who have Munster got to fill the 10 shirt besides Keatley?

Bleyendaal?

Johnny Holland retiring is a massive loss but Bill Johnston is the real deal. Unfortunately he is also out with injury.

LordDowlais wrote:A well deserved win for Cardiff Blues. Well done. Also a very harshly denied try. Yes it was the right call, but I have seen more happen around the rucks in every other part of the pitch, like in football, a foul in the area, is not the same is as a foul out of the area.

Also, has anyone seen a more stubborn side than Munster ? Take the Munster coaches on the Lions tour. They really fill their players with that, no backwards step attitude.

It wasn't a harshly denied try. Jenkins clearly obstructed the Munster player from tackling the Cardiff player who scored. Clear-cut. Not harsh. Fair. Good officiating by the ref and TMO.

At least, O'Leary is honest in his appraisal of his and Williams' box-kicks - "need to give our wingers more time to get to the ball"

Tommy O'Donnell is out injured again apparently according to Erasmus. Jeez, that guy is unlucky.

profitius wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:Who have Munster got to fill the 10 shirt besides Keatley?

Bleyendaal?

Johnny Holland retiring is a massive loss but Bill Johnston is the real deal. Unfortunately he is also out with injury.

Agree about Holland - thought he was very good in his appearances last season. Unfortunate having to retire so early.

Look forward to seeing Johnson so - because Keatley is not making the opposition worry - except for his boot, mind you.

Pot Hale wrote:It wasn't a harshly denied try. Jenkins clearly obstructed the Munster player from tackling the Cardiff player who scored. Clear-cut. Not harsh. Fair. Good officiating by the ref and TMO.

Yes it was harsh.

Yes it was the correct call.

But we see the exact same thing at rucks all over the pitch. Just because a try was scored and the TMO was allowed to be called into action was the only reason it was spotted. If we always went with that ruling there would be pens at rucks all over the field. That's why I said it was harsh.

LordDowlais wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:It wasn't a harshly denied try. Jenkins clearly obstructed the Munster player from tackling the Cardiff player who scored. Clear-cut. Not harsh. Fair. Good officiating by the ref and TMO.

Yes it was harsh.

Yes it was the correct call.

But we see the exact same thing at rucks all over the pitch. Just because a try was scored and the TMO was allowed to be called into action was the only reason it was spotted. If we always went with that ruling there would be pens at rucks all over the field. That's why I said it was harsh.

What did the ref say to the TMO when Cardiff scored?

Good game. Munster will be praying Murray stays fit all season. Duncan .... Doughnut.

Pot Hale wrote:What did the ref say to the TMO when Cardiff scored?

Yes I know what he said. Something like was number 1 obstructing ?

But if it was on the halfway line, and the scrum half was going for a box kick, the game would have carried on.

Look I am not complaining, it was the correct decision. I just think it was harsh, given the situation. I do not expect everyone to agree with me though.

LordDowlais wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:What did the ref say to the TMO when Cardiff scored?

Yes I know what he said. Something like was number 1 obstructing ?

But if it was on the halfway line, and the scrum half was going for a box kick, the game would have carried on.

Look I am not complaining, it was the correct decision. I just think it was harsh, given the situation. I do not expect everyone to agree with me though.

He said 'I'm happy with the grounding, but can you check if there was obstruction on one of the tacklers?" So he'd spotted the possible infringement that led to the scoring of a try.

It wasn't on the halfway line. He was checking if a try had been scored fairly. It hadn't been.

What kind of officiating are you looking for in a game?

For the ref to say, 'ah yeah he was obstructing, but sure you've been doing that all the game, so I'll give you the try'?

Complete nonsense. Good refs let the game flow as much as they can. The times when you want them to police things stringently is when it matters - on the scoreboard. And it was a Welsh ref and neutral TMO.

FFS Pot have you been on the Poitín again tonight and are looking for a scrap ?

You Irish will cause a scrap in an empty room.


I am not arguing over the decision, it was correct. But we see the same thing happen all over the pitch, but it is never called on, that's all I am saying, and that's why I am saying it was harsh, also, it was more of six of one half a dozen of the other, as the Munster forward was looking for it as well. It happens all the time.

LordDowlais wrote:FFS Pot have you been on the Poitín again tonight and are looking for a scrap ?

You Irish will cause a scrap in an empty room.


I am not arguing over the decision, it was correct. But we see the same thing happen all over the pitch, but it is never called on, that's all I am saying, and that's why I am saying it was harsh, also, it was more of six of one half a dozen of the other, as the Munster forward was looking for it as well. It happens all the time.

Lol why was this reported? It was quite funny.

Andy Dowellais are you on drugs? You've been posting childish drivel all day against certain posters. Pot Hale posted a balance and informative comment, please take note for everybody's sake.

As for the game, well I haven't seen it yet but Blues wouldn't have asked for a better start to their season. It seems the concerns over players that I previously expressed are being talked about after the match, but I think I was stating the obvious. Any big performances for Blues?

Two bald men fighting over a comb.

Artful_Dodger wrote:Two bald men fighting over a comb.

What the match? Orrr.....

mikey_dragon wrote:Andy Dowellais are you on drugs? You've been posting childish drivel all day against certain posters. Pot Hale posted a balance and informative comment, please take note for everybody's sake.

As for the game, well I haven't seen it yet but Blues wouldn't have asked for a better start to their season. It seems the concerns over players that I previously expressed are being talked about after the match, but I think I was stating the obvious. Any big performances for Blues?

In the backs Dan Fish and Lee-Lo both stood out for me. Tom James finished his chances well. Gareth Anscombe I still don't rate, but aside from that all of the backs were pretty good. In the forwards I thought the standout was Jenkins at openside and Navidi, both very strong at the breakdown. Rees added something at hooker when he came on as well. Nick Williams....I hate seeing him play for the Blues was one of my favourite Ulster players

Great game...! Well played to both teams.

Munster have a scary amount of good players in their team and some superb players still to come back from injury

Artful_Dodger wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:Andy Dowellais are you on drugs? You've been posting childish drivel all day against certain posters. Pot Hale posted a balance and informative comment, please take note for everybody's sake.

As for the game, well I haven't seen it yet but Blues wouldn't have asked for a better start to their season. It seems the concerns over players that I previously expressed are being talked about after the match, but I think I was stating the obvious. Any big performances for Blues?

In the backs Dan Fish and Lee-Lo both stood out for me.  Tom James finished his chances well.  Gareth Anscombe I still don't rate, but aside from that all of the backs were pretty good.  In the forwards I thought the standout was Jenkins at openside and Navidi, both very strong at the breakdown.  Rees added something at hooker when he came on as well.  Nick Williams....I hate seeing him play for the Blues was one of my favourite Ulster players

Gethin Jenkins and Warburton both deserve praise for defensive turnovers that really changed the run of play. Matthew Morgan too as his first touch created the third try.

Tom Williams was excellent again.

maestegmafia wrote:

Artful_Dodger wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:Andy Dowellais are you on drugs? You've been posting childish drivel all day against certain posters. Pot Hale posted a balance and informative comment, please take note for everybody's sake.

As for the game, well I haven't seen it yet but Blues wouldn't have asked for a better start to their season. It seems the concerns over players that I previously expressed are being talked about after the match, but I think I was stating the obvious. Any big performances for Blues?

In the backs Dan Fish and Lee-Lo both stood out for me.  Tom James finished his chances well.  Gareth Anscombe I still don't rate, but aside from that all of the backs were pretty good.  In the forwards I thought the standout was Jenkins at openside and Navidi, both very strong at the breakdown.  Rees added something at hooker when he came on as well.  Nick Williams....I hate seeing him play for the Blues was one of my favourite Ulster players

Gethin Jenkins and Warburton both deserve praise for defensive turnovers that really changed the run of play. Matthew Morgan too as his first touch created the third try.

Tom Williams was excellent again.

Don't disagree with any of that, Matthew Morgan is one of those players that makes you brick it when he gets the ball in space.  Perhaps questions marks over his physicality in defence though.

Jenkins and Navidi are very good open-sides, the latter doesn't seem to be rated by many but I've long stood by the opinion that he's better than Tipuric. Blues are playing pretty well, very akin to a S15 team so it gives Welsh rugby a glimmer of hope. Anscombe is good enough at this level but he won't be ousting Biggar any time soon. Surprised to hear that about Rees as I was convinced he was well past it. Finally yea Nick Williams is brilliant and doesn't look as if he's slowing down just yet.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:FFS Pot have you been on the Poitín again tonight and are looking for a scrap ?

You Irish will cause a scrap in an empty room.


I am not arguing over the decision, it was correct. But we see the same thing happen all over the pitch, but it is never called on, that's all I am saying, and that's why I am saying it was harsh, also, it was more of six of one half a dozen of the other, as the Munster forward was looking for it as well. It happens all the time.

Lol why was this reported? It was quite funny.

Just so it's clear, I did not report this post as I've only come back online now.

I won't waste my time further with the poster.

Pot Hale wrote:

I won't waste my time further with the poster.

Definitely in your best interests.

Thought Lloyd Williams also did very well off the bench. Really took control of the game and helped the Blues close out the game following the try.

wales606 wrote:Thought Lloyd Williams also did very well off the bench. Really took control of the game and helped the Blues close out the game following the try.

Agree with that. He knew what we needed to do and at times really slowed the ball down to allow us to re-reorganise. Also think that Shing did well when he came on as well. Long ways to go but things are looking up.

Marvelous win! I'm reminded of Tal Selley all over again.
Shame that the BBC Wales monkey mates had to spoil it.
PD @ 73.30 mins is amusing.