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Post by mobilemaster8 on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 8:40 pm

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So who you picking? Just tuned in to see Edwards way out his depth stopped in 10. Now for Callum Smith...don't know much about his opponent so expecting an early bash out here with body shots.

Hall vs Haskins should be a great scrap....then the debated Good fight/ Overmatched fight....

Discuss....and enjoy...

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Post by quentins_monkey on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 2:41 am

Like Callum Smith and definitely think he's the best of the brothers. Also like the fact that he's getting out regularly but tbh his level of opponents needs stepping up now. Apart from a couple most of the fighters he's been facing (including tonight) have required the obligatory search on boxrec as have never heard of them. Think he's definitely got the potential to get a belt at SMW and also has the size to move up in weight.

Back to Golovkin - can understand the desire to unify all the titles at MW as tbh don't see anyone out of the current belt holders that are going to trouble him. My issue is the fact that if the other "champions" aren't prepared to face him then there's no point treading water in a division fighting overmatched opponents when there are genuine challenges in the higher weights. We've seen fighters who looked dominant in a weight class move up and don't have the same advantages (Arthur Abraham springs to mind) so those fights are much more intriguing as we'd get to see how good he really is.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 7:27 am

Reflections

Thought Paulie and Fearon were terrific during the Edwards fight and others...Gelled well and should have been allowed the floor instead of having Smith who's main contribution is to tell the viewer "He's a great guy"..   "They sing Kumbayah regularly at their gym etc"....Smith like Halling belongs on the X Factor...

Brook got beaten up...Took a lot of body shots and had his eye busted and nose busted...Pointless to speculate who he'd beat at 154 etc because he is 30 and that was an aging fight..

Though Brook was excellent at times...I never thought he was going to win....More a case of him keeping GGG honest..To be fair he did.

Whether it was because he didn't respect Brook's power or he had an off night...Golovkin was taking too many shots and not just single shots...

Good effort from Brook......154 looks a better bet...We'll have to see what is left after 6 months out.....He'll be 31ish and will have had 3 tough wars with Porter...Jones and GGG....A belt at 154 not a given.

Being critical of GGG who was 3-1 up at the time and stopped a good technician in 5...Shows what a top 160 pounder he is..

Fancy Degale/Ward to beat him at 168....He'd beat Badou and the rest though..

Stuart Hall will wake up thinking what if ??....Which will probably hurt more than the punches he took in the fight..

Edwards can come again....But he'll have to improve his offence....Always in the comfort zone the Filipino....Lots of work but most of it out of range...But hey only his 9th fight.

Paul Smith should retire...Time to give Callum Smith a title fight he must be as bored as us of stiffs..


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Post by kingraf on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 7:41 am

Brook fought alright. Showed he was a quality boxer. But we knew he's a quality boxer. The eye thing is what it is. It's not like he ran into a pole just before the fight. GGG caused that damage.
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Post by Guest on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 8:47 am

The whole fight can be seen on youtube. It was a good fight. GGG really caught Brook with several venomous shots in the first round, Brook recovered well. Then GGG really caught Brook in the fifth, but Brook remained on his feet and then his trainer threw in the towel. Brook first showed signs that there was problems with his right eye fairly early in the third round - rubbing his glove around the area. Then from time to time he would exhibit discomfort with the right eye. GGG did lunge quite a lot as if he was trying to match Brook's speed. Brook was able to catch GGG fairly easily even though GGG had his gloves held high. He also caught GGG with upper cuts. Overall I would say that Brook was the more skilful boxer but he didn't have the weight of shot to really trouble GGG, just to sting him and make him look vulnerable to being hit. But GGG had the weight of shot to trouble Brook and was continually pressing and closing off the ring to Brook. But Brook was able to take the shots, as well as fend off the shots, but ultimately GGG was physically damaging him and the fight was called off. TKO. I think it ended at the right time. Brook was taken to hospital to get himself checked over especially the right eye socket - it seems that the right eye socket was fractured. This may have happened early in the third round (or maybe earlier) then got worse as the fight progressed.

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Post by Guest on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 9:09 am

HBO commentators and GGG's trainer were suggesting the problem with Kell Brook's eye occurred in the first round.  The HBO commentators said they noticed swelling around the right eye in the first round, and GGG's trainer said he noticed Kell was showing discomfort with his right eye in the second round.  Kell Brook just said he realised his right eye had "gone" but was able to continue.  GGG said he was trying to knock Brook out of the ring but had difficulty with Brooks movement, and had difficulty getting the right distance on his shots.  He said his trainer told him to slow down, not to rush - it was a 12 round fight.  GGG gave himself a 3 to 4 out of ten, and his trainer gave him a 4 out of 10.  GGG said he knew he had won in the first round after he had felt Brook's power - which he said was less than a middleweight.  So according to him it became like a sparring exercise where he was trying to get to Brook and knock him out. Both GGG and the trainer felt they had worn Brook down by the fifth and Brook was ready to go in the fifth or in the sixth.  Brook on interview immediately after the fight said he thought he was able to continue and would have won the fight - but agreed he had difficulty seeing out of his right eye and that it was busted.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 9:22 am

Broken eye socket....Mugabi was out for a year when Thomas broke his....Obviously depends on the severity..

Certainly wants to take his time..

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Post by milkyboy on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 9:31 am

Seems the right eye is confirmed as broken. Makes the stoppage the right decision - brook says it happened in the 2nd so he took his licks. Shame but how it goes.

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Post by milkyboy on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 9:32 am

Sorry truss... I do normally read your posts, honest

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Post by mikeymax71 on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 9:40 am

Poor card!! British novice in undeserved title opportunity and it showed.

Hall/Haskins whichever way you had it was poor quality as a match up and as a world title fight.

Callum Smith will be stale by the time he gets a title fight, how many more non entities will he be fed before fighting for a title. He has earned his mandatory status and should be demanding Eddie deliver and not waiting around. He should be looking to take out Jack and Degale to get titles and paydays rather than step aside for unification as there is no guarantee (especially in Degale's case) the winner will hang round to fight him.

Brook put up a good effort and I had the fight level but there was no way he was going to win a shoot out. I think Kell believed he had punching power to a level he had never displayed at 147 and was foolish in thinking so. Yes he enhanced his reputation but boxing smart and winning the fight would have done more.

GGG was hard to gage due to so much focus being on Kell. Due to having no fear of Kell's power maybe he fought in a more reckless manner but for sure he would struggle at 168 in a similar way that Arthur Abrahams has. I would expect him to dismantle Billy Joe who to be frank will not fight GGG. Jacobs looked decent enough on Friday but will remember how he lost his unbeaten record in a manner of how most GGG fights go and will fall apart in about 6 rounds.

Judging by how GGG performed last night I wonder if Eubank Jr wished he had taken the fight because GGG from last night would be in a war he might not win with the Brighton bomber although like Brook would of needed, Eubank would have to bring his A game and then some.

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Post by ShahenshahG on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 9:48 am

A lot of the american commentators and fans are saying that Brook was looking for a way out and his corner took the next available opportunity to pull him out so that Brook didn't get hit with the quitting tag. I sort of agree with that view, but feeling abit sorry for Brook. Reminds of a Foreman fight against either Cooper or Dwight Qawi.

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Post by melv500 on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 10:00 am

US fans and writers seem very harsh. Read Dan Rafaels fight report and he gave no credit to Brook at all although he is very negative when it comes to British fighters in general. I don't think Brook hurt GGG but no doubt he got his attention as GGG visibly stopped marching forward after getting caught.

GGG was just too big and strong. Brook struggled to keep him off him but his movement was excurrlnt and made GGG miss badly a lot. Also when he did land Brook showed a very good chin. GGG as a few pointed out had way more to his boxing than he showed but fought how he did as he knew he was the stronger man, he can certainly box smarter if needed.

It was entertaining whilst it lasted but always inevitable.

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Post by Jermaine2015 on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 10:12 am

P4P King Roman 'Chocolatito' Gonzalez sealed his legacy as the best little man in boxing after sealing a UD against Mexican slugger Carlos Cuadras to add the WBC juniors bantamweight championship to his résumé. The scores read 117-111 116-112 115-113.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 10:30 am

melv500 wrote:US fans and writers seem very harsh. Read Dan Rafaels fight report and he gave no credit to Brook at all although he is very negative when it comes to British fighters in general. I don't think Brook hurt GGG but no doubt he got his attention as GGG visibly stopped marching forward after getting caught.

GGG was just too big and strong. Brook struggled to keep him off him but his movement was excurrlnt and made GGG miss badly a lot. Also when he did land Brook showed a very good chin. GGG as a few pointed out had way more to his boxing than he showed but fought how he did as he knew he was the stronger man, he can certainly box smarter if needed.

It was entertaining whilst it lasted but always inevitable.

It's probably expectation Melv....Because we weren't expecting a fight it made Brook's performance look better...

In reality he had his moments but it was 3-1 and only going to get worse..

TKO5 at the end of the day....Thought Brook was brave fighting on with a broken eye socket..

You're forgiven Milky..

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Post by hazharrison on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 10:35 am

Jermaine2015 wrote:P4P King Roman 'Chocolatito' Gonzalez sealed his legacy as the best little man in boxing after sealing a UD against Mexican slugger Carlos Cuadras to add the WBC juniors bantamweight championship to his résumé. The scores read 117-111 116-112 115-113.

Good to see someone posting on Gonzalez. 46-0 now and still taking on tough challenges. Inoue was ringside - mega-fight that.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 10:49 am

Of course GGG's purse and the success of the promotion means Canelo v Brook is a certainty late spring or summer 2017(Should he come through Smith)...

Depending on what Brook has left that looks a cracking 154 match up.
Canelo will exhaust all non-GGG options and Brook is a big paying one..

Nailed on fight if Brook isn't forced to retire.

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Post by hazharrison on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 10:51 am

ShahenshahG wrote:A lot of the american commentators and fans are saying that Brook was looking for a way out and his corner took the next available opportunity to pull him out so that Brook didn't get hit with the quitting tag. I sort of agree with that view, but feeling abit sorry for Brook. Reminds of a Foreman fight against either Cooper or Dwight Qawi.

That's what happened. Ingle gave him one more round after the fourth and was happy to take the flack for the stoppage. Pointless to let Golovkin tee off on your fighter.

Thought Golovkin looked sloppy but that was down to his lack of respect for Brook's power. Just walked through him. He boxed more against Stevens and Lemieux.

Sky commentary sounded crazy. I watched in a pub without commentary. Golovkin always in control. Another poor catch-weight fight. I hate them.

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Post by EX7EY on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 10:52 am

I think it was a bad night for the fans in the end. I actually bought the PPV for a change instead of watching it via alternative means and it's done absolutely nothing to encourage me to buy the next one.

Poor card overall and then disappointment in the main event. Connor Benn with a blast out against a guy that had tickets to watch the event but ended up getting drafted in last minute. Paul Smith looking his usual flabby self, the fact people are talking about him getting another title shot completely stinks. Ward was good to watch and I'll look to keep my eye on the kid in the future but the commentary tried selling that one as a pick em and it was anything but in reality. Edwards never had a hope, kid can box no question but you aren't taking a world title off a guy like that with a double jab and nothing but. Haskins Hall was decent to watch but chief support on Ppv? I don't think so. Oh almost forgot about Callum Smith, I don't have a lot to say other than I had a bet on him in rounds 7-9 so I was mighty annoyed the human punch bag they'd drafted in didn't come out for the 7th.

And the Brook fight..... I was enjoying it, and I was gutted when I saw ingle waving the towel. Ultimately though, brook was over matched. Clearly not skill wise, he was boxing quite well but he was getting caught and no way could he sustain punishment from GGG for another 7 rounds. Its a shame about the eye because who knows what could have happened if brook remained injury free. Not saying he would have won but imagine if he got to the final Bell. End of the day GGG caused the injury though so that's that.

I've always been critical of brook but I respected him as soon as he took the fight. Blown my perception of him out of the water. I just thought he was fighting stiffs whilst waiting for Khan. Hopefully he doesn't go back that way, he should be in big fights. There's plenty at WW for him if he can get down there again but I doubt it. I'd hunt Canelo at LM of I was him. Win or lose I think that fight suits him better than the Ggg mismatch.

Not sold on on GGG as PFP number 1 but if he's up there and based on what we saw last night you have to put brook somewhere near the top 10 PFP. Sounds strange when you consider he lost in 5 but based on what we actually saw it makes sense. If brook was a genuine MW with MW power then he would have given GGG an absolute nightmare last night.

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Post by Rodney on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 11:34 am

Was at the fight last night - main event was cracker and it was good to see GGG in the flesh - he worked Brook over really - you don't realise how good GGG's footwork is he is utterly relentless, he never gave Brook a second. Fair play to Kell he performed admirably but the fight played out as many expected. As for GGG it's going to take a helluva fighter to beat and hang with him , can't see it being a middleweight who bothers him.

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Post by milkyboy on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 11:45 am

hazharrison wrote:
ShahenshahG wrote:A lot of the american commentators and fans are saying that Brook was looking for a way out and his corner took the next available opportunity to pull him out so that Brook didn't get hit with the quitting tag. I sort of agree with that view, but feeling abit sorry for Brook. Reminds of a Foreman fight against either Cooper or Dwight Qawi.

That's what happened. Ingle gave him one more round after the fourth and was happy to take the flack for the stoppage. Pointless to let Golovkin tee off on your fighter.

Thought Golovkin looked sloppy but that was down to his lack of respect for Brook's power. Just walked through him. He boxed more against Stevens and Lemieux.

Sky commentary sounded crazy. I watched in a pub without commentary. Golovkin always in control. Another poor catch-weight fight. I hate them.

You think brook was looking for an excuse to quit? Kellerman voiced that after Roy Jones told him brook wanted out at the end of the fourth. Would need to hear what was actually said in the corner. 

Probably only kel really knows.  Never having fought a huge hitting middleweight with my eye socket broken, personally I'm happy to reserve judgement on whether it was a convenient excuse to get out of there... And even if it was, whether it's a legitimate reason to look for one. I'm sure the old 'hit the middle one' line was tongue in cheek but double vision is a common symptom of orbital fracture. Tough enough fighting golovkin with all your faculties intact.

Thought brook fought bravely, was in the fight and took his lumps. The eye clearly bothered him, possibly psychologically as well as physically. Sure, this way he gets to leave with his reputation intact (well excepting allegations of quitting), but personally I'm not sure we can say it was all engineered for that purpose.

Ingle did the right thing, and brook had a go. One of those things.

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Post by hazharrison on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 11:48 am

milkyboy wrote:
hazharrison wrote:
ShahenshahG wrote:A lot of the american commentators and fans are saying that Brook was looking for a way out and his corner took the next available opportunity to pull him out so that Brook didn't get hit with the quitting tag. I sort of agree with that view, but feeling abit sorry for Brook. Reminds of a Foreman fight against either Cooper or Dwight Qawi.

That's what happened. Ingle gave him one more round after the fourth and was happy to take the flack for the stoppage. Pointless to let Golovkin tee off on your fighter.

Thought Golovkin looked sloppy but that was down to his lack of respect for Brook's power. Just walked through him. He boxed more against Stevens and Lemieux.

Sky commentary sounded crazy. I watched in a pub without commentary. Golovkin always in control. Another poor catch-weight fight. I hate them.

You think brook was looking for an excuse to quit? Kellerman voiced that after Roy Jones told him brook wanted out at the end of the fourth. Would need to hear what was actually said in the corner. 

Probably only kel really knows.  Never having fought a huge hitting middleweight with my eye socket broken, personally I'm happy to reserve judgement on whether it was a convenient excuse to get out of there... And even if it was, whether it's a legitimate reason to look for one. I'm sure the old 'hit the middle one' line was tongue in cheek but double vision is a common symptom of orbital fracture. Tough enough fighting golovkin with all your faculties intact.

Thought brook fought bravely, was in the fight and took his lumps. The eye clearly bothered him, possibly psychologically as well as physically. Sure, this way he gets to leave with his reputation intact (well excepting allegations of quitting), but personally I'm not sure we can say it was all engineered for that purpose.

Ingle did the right thing, and brook had a go. One of those things.

He wasn't looking to quit but he was beaten. Ingle did a great job and didn't give a damn whether he was booed. Solid guy Dom.

Brook gave it a go but, ultimately, it was a pointless fight. Golovkin won it on half-power. Just waded through Brook's punches to swat him.

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Post by milkyboy on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 12:27 pm

On one level I agree, I thought it was a pointless fight when it was made, and tko 5 was probably the average pre fight pick.

Must cards I've seen were 3-1 ggg or 2-2. He clearly wasn't bothered by brook's power but I don't think golovkin just walked through him. He certainly did to some degree in the 4th and all of the 5th when brook stopped throwing back... Had the body shots and relentless pressure taken their toll? Very possibly. Was it more a case of being too concerned with protecting that eye and vision problems...Maybe. Maybe both.

No doubt that golovkin decided he was in seek and destroy mode from early on. I was worried about brook's punch resistance, from him being wobbled by senchenko, but it looks like his chin is better than most of the worlds middleweights. He's a good boy.

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 12:58 pm

Got to give ggg credit for going on the road and defending his title instead of facing brook in Uzbekistan where he has a considerable home advantage

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Post by hazharrison on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 1:04 pm

milkyboy wrote:On one level I agree, I thought it was a pointless fight when it was made, and tko 5 was probably the average pre fight pick.

Must cards I've seen were 3-1 ggg or 2-2. He clearly wasn't bothered by brook's power but I don't think golovkin just walked through him. He certainly did to some degree in the 4th and all of the 5th when brook stopped throwing back... Had the body shots and relentless pressure taken their toll? Very possibly. Was it more a case of being too concerned with protecting that eye and vision problems...Maybe. Maybe both.

No doubt that golovkin decided he was in seek and destroy mode from early on. I was worried about brook's punch resistance, from him being wobbled by senchenko, but it looks like his chin is better than most of the worlds middleweights. He's a good boy.

I could only give Brook the second. Golovkin was happy to take shots just to get close to Brook. Eye injury or not, Golovkin was always going to beat him down in those middle rounds. Just far too big. It was a poor match.

I just think it's a shame for Brook. I would rather he'd taken Vargas, Spence and then looked for Thurman.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 1:09 pm

Rodney wrote:Was at the fight last night - main event was cracker and it was good to see GGG in the flesh - he worked Brook over really - you don't realise how good GGG's footwork is he is utterly relentless, he never gave Brook a second. Fair play to Kell he performed admirably but the fight played out as many expected. As for GGG it's going to take a helluva fighter to beat and hang with him , can't see it being a middleweight who bothers him.

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Post by AdamT on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 1:38 pm

I've had a floor fracture on my orbital kickboxing.

It's a weird feeling. Not so much the pain, but the eye was really restricted and had double vision. Even with surgerY I still have slight double vision when I move my eye to awkward angles.

Dangerous injury to have.

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Post by catchweight on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 2:55 pm

Eubank Jr to Golovkin - "fight a real British middleweight, my corner dont do towells".

They dont sign contracts either.

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Post by Rowley on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 3:00 pm

catchweight wrote:

They dont sign contracts either.

That's unfair, agree they get 90% and they will sign.

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Post by Guest on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 3:16 pm

AdamT wrote:I've had a floor fracture on my orbital kickboxing.

It's a weird feeling. Not so much the pain, but the eye was really restricted and had double vision. Even with surgerY I still have slight double vision when I move my eye to awkward angles.  ...
That's basically what Brook reported.

With regard to GGG, though he said Brook didn't have the power of a middleweight and decided to turn it into a "street fight" rather than "boxing", ... Brook was still catching him to the head despite GGG holding his gloves high and seemingly trying to block his pucnches.  On several occasions he did have his head knocked backwards from uppercuts and this did stop his forward momentum ... at least momentarily.  GGG's trainer did say this fight revealed a few flaws in GGG's technique / approach and that they would work on it in the gym.  Some commentators did say before the fight that GGG doesn't have much head movement and may be fairly easy to hit ... and this is how it panned out.  It is maybe that Kell Brook is one of the best boxers GGG has so far met in terms of his movement and punch accuracy ... we learned also that Brook has a great chin and was prepared to go what looked like "toe to toe" with GGG ... but ultimately Brook lacked the punch power and GGG was just too strong for him - fracturing bones.

So it seems to me what the fight revealed was just how easy it is to hit GGG, especially with the uppercut ... so if he was facing someone with real punching power (perhaps that found above the middleweight division) and someone with the skill and movement and speed of Kell Brook ... then GGG could be in real trouble.

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Post by catchweight on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 3:50 pm

At middleweight I think it would take a great fighter to beat Golovkin. Like a Hagler or a Jones or a Robinson. It woud require a combination of great boxing, punching, great conditioning, exceptional toughness and mental strength to be able to win over 12 rounds againt the kind of pressure and power that Golovkins continuosly exerts.

At 168 some I think there are some good techncal boxers that could win rounds of Golovkin (Groves, Dirrell, Degale for example) but I dont think they could sustain it over 12 rounds.

In a year or 2 I would give Callum Smith the best shot because he is a freak of a Supermiddleweight in size and Golovkin is not a particular big middleweight. In the ring I think it would like a huge size disparity. They both have a similar approach of methodically grinding down oppoents with pressure while giving opponents chances to land on them. I dont know how easy Smith makes the weight there though. He doesnt even look tall and stringy at the weight. He just looks enormous.

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 9:16 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Very odd stoppage, first sign of any danger and the towel was in which suggests the corner are thinking more about the long term.

A few things.

1. Ward destroys Golovkin every day of the week, the added weight and greater skill would make for a very one sided fight, i'm not his biggest fan but this fight showcased that he's a flat track bully.

2. Khan better steer clear of Brook, he can stand up to GGG's punches then he'll walk through his pitter patter punches.

3. Very odd stoppage, first sign of any danger and the towel was in which suggests the corner are thinking more about the long term.

You don't want GGG much if you think he has no skill and is a "Flat track bully"

Do you not understand what he did in the ring tonight?

That Ward fight is very competitive, Ward won't get past Kovalev anyway

Gone are the days where the fight that GGG put up would be lauded, as he just didn't give a monkeys about what came back and declared war because he was annoyed about something and just wanted to punish Brook, he wasn't trying to box or be clever he went into destruction mode

These days people rather defensive fighters who won't even engage and pot shot to victory stinking out the fight and calling it some sort of masterclass

Laughable

GGG did what he was supposed to do, anyone from 160-168 gets destroyed

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 9:21 pm

hazharrison wrote:
ShahenshahG wrote:A lot of the american commentators and fans are saying that Brook was looking for a way out and his corner took the next available opportunity to pull him out so that Brook didn't get hit with the quitting tag. I sort of agree with that view, but feeling abit sorry for Brook. Reminds of a Foreman fight against either Cooper or Dwight Qawi.

That's what happened. Ingle gave him one more round after the fourth and was happy to take the flack for the stoppage. Pointless to let Golovkin tee off on your fighter.

Thought Golovkin looked sloppy but that was down to his lack of respect for Brook's power. Just walked through him. He boxed more against Stevens and Lemieux.

Sky commentary sounded crazy. I watched in a pub without commentary. Golovkin always in control. Another poor catch-weight fight. I hate them.

Blame the entire division for ducking him then

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 10:33 pm

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You don't want GGG much if you think he has no skill and is a "Flat track bully"

Do you not understand what he did in the ring tonight?

That Ward fight is very competitive, Ward won't get past Kovalev anyway

Gone are the days where the fight that GGG put up would be lauded, as he just didn't give a monkeys about what came back and declared war because he was annoyed about something and just wanted to punish Brook, he wasn't trying to box or be clever he went into destruction mode

These days people rather defensive fighters who won't even engage and pot shot to victory stinking out the fight and calling it some sort of masterclass

Laughable

GGG did what he was supposed to do, anyone from 160-168 gets destroyed

What a load of old crap, i'll have to rewatch it in slow motion to see what actually went on.

GGG didn't fight that way because he wanted to but because he had, Brook was the more skillful quicker boxer so marching him down made sense, he wasn't going to win boxing clever.

What is laughable is how posters like you seem to decided who and what people should enjoy, now I don't enjoy watching a flat track bully beat up on smaller or overmatched opponents, it's boring.

There's a reason he's not yet moved up and it's because the level of skill in the 168lb is far superior to Middleweight which has been barren for years now, he can complain about being avoided all he wants but he just fought a Welterweight.

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Post by hazharrison on Mon 12 Sep 2016, 7:24 am

I don't know how this happened but I find myself agreeing with HH. This fight was devoid of drama for me. Everyone knew what was going to happen - it was merely a matter of time. That's a familiar narrative in a Golovkin fight these days. It's great they've taken him on the road and kept him fighting regularly but this was an exercise in futility (other than making everyone considerably richer than they were previously).

I've seen a lot of people claim Brook's career will benefit from this (raised profile, made a few bob etc.) but I don't agree. That's a tough injury to come back from and the experience of being bullied in such a manner can have a lasting impact (mentally rather than physically).

It has to be Saunders, Canelo or 168-175 from here on in. I understand they're chasing Hopkins's defence record (which is as bogus as B. Hop's claims of beating Monzon's in the first place) but this was pointless.

I don't see anyone giving him problems at '68. So throw a load of money at Stevenson. Or Kovalev/Ward. Or the winner of DeGale/Jack. Golovkin looked bored on Saturday. I felt bored. Time to do something different.

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Post by kingraf on Mon 12 Sep 2016, 7:35 am

This was a cash grab, I don't think anyone (except Brook who seemed to speak like he'd watched Rocky IV before every interview) saw it as anything but. I think Danny Jacobs presents a very intriguing challenge. Hard to see how Jacobs wins over 12, but still, everyone keeps saying GGG is hittable. Let's see if that means he's breakable
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Post by BoxingFan88 on Mon 12 Sep 2016, 8:21 am

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
BoxingFan88 wrote:
You don't want GGG much if you think he has no skill and is a "Flat track bully"

Do you not understand what he did in the ring tonight?

That Ward fight is very competitive, Ward won't get past Kovalev anyway

Gone are the days where the fight that GGG put up would be lauded, as he just didn't give a monkeys about what came back and declared war because he was annoyed about something and just wanted to punish Brook, he wasn't trying to box or be clever he went into destruction mode

These days people rather defensive fighters who won't even engage and pot shot to victory stinking out the fight and calling it some sort of masterclass

Laughable

GGG did what he was supposed to do, anyone from 160-168 gets destroyed

What a load of old crap, i'll have to rewatch it in slow motion to see what actually went on.

GGG didn't fight that way because he wanted to but because he had, Brook was the more skillful quicker boxer so marching him down made sense, he wasn't going to win boxing clever.

What is laughable is how posters like you seem to decided who and what people should enjoy, now I don't enjoy watching a flat track bully beat up on smaller or overmatched opponents, it's boring.

There's a reason he's not yet moved up and it's because the level of skill in the 168lb is far superior to Middleweight which has been barren for years now, he can complain about being avoided all he wants but he just fought a Welterweight.

GGG is usually the SMALLER guy in the ring, what are you talking about????


If you honestly think that was the only way GGG could have won was by doing that, you obviously don't know anything about him and much like most on this sub, don't actually understand how good he is

GGG could have used his jab and beaten Brook up from range had he chosen to

Laughable how under rated GGG is on here, yet Ward and Rigo get lauded as some sort of boxing masters for a saftey first approach taking no risks and providing barely any entertainment value

Ward's best win is Froch, GGG would have destroyed Froch

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Post by Mr Tom on Mon 12 Sep 2016, 8:57 am

To me it appeared that once he felt Brooks power, he changed his game plan to just walking him down instead of boxing. 

GGG is unbeatable at this weight in my opinion.

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Post by milkyboy on Mon 12 Sep 2016, 9:23 am

hazharrison wrote:I don't know how this happened but I find myself agreeing with HH. This fight was devoid of drama for me. Everyone knew what was going to happen - it was merely a matter of time. That's a familiar narrative in a Golovkin fight these days. It's great they've taken him on the road and kept him fighting regularly but this was an exercise in futility (other than making everyone considerably richer than they were previously).

I've seen a lot of people claim Brook's career will benefit from this (raised profile, made a few bob etc.) but I don't agree. That's a tough injury to come back from and the experience of being bullied in such a manner can have a lasting impact (mentally rather than physically).

It has to be Saunders, Canelo or 168-175 from here on in. I understand they're chasing Hopkins's defence record (which is as bogus as B. Hop's claims of beating Monzon's in the first place) but this was pointless.

I don't see anyone giving him problems at '68. So throw a load of money at Stevenson. Or Kovalev/Ward. Or the winner of DeGale/Jack. Golovkin looked bored on Saturday. I felt bored. Time to do something different.

Do I need to buy a new hat?

You must have been really bored if you're suggesting a catchweight fight.

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Post by hazharrison on Mon 12 Sep 2016, 9:36 am

milkyboy wrote:
hazharrison wrote:I don't know how this happened but I find myself agreeing with HH. This fight was devoid of drama for me. Everyone knew what was going to happen - it was merely a matter of time. That's a familiar narrative in a Golovkin fight these days. It's great they've taken him on the road and kept him fighting regularly but this was an exercise in futility (other than making everyone considerably richer than they were previously).

I've seen a lot of people claim Brook's career will benefit from this (raised profile, made a few bob etc.) but I don't agree. That's a tough injury to come back from and the experience of being bullied in such a manner can have a lasting impact (mentally rather than physically).

It has to be Saunders, Canelo or 168-175 from here on in. I understand they're chasing Hopkins's defence record (which is as bogus as B. Hop's claims of beating Monzon's in the first place) but this was pointless.

I don't see anyone giving him problems at '68. So throw a load of money at Stevenson. Or Kovalev/Ward. Or the winner of DeGale/Jack. Golovkin looked bored on Saturday. I felt bored. Time to do something different.

Do I need to buy a new hat?

You must have been really bored if you're suggesting a catchweight fight.

No catchweight - just fight them at 175 or 168. Needs meaningful fights from here until he retires.

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Post by milkyboy on Mon 12 Sep 2016, 10:02 am

Ah you called brook ggg catchweight so assumed you just meant mismatched size wise. Know you're not a fan of weight hopping generally.

Whichever, I agree with you, but then I've thought that for a while. Fair enough in principle to take out Saunders for the belt, to be undisputed. Jacobs can bang, but has chin question marks, most of us would like to see him level Alvarez (though I actually think that would be a competitive fight). They're all acceptable if they can be made... but will take the usual months of dicking around to come to fruition and the outcomes are pretty predictable.

He's rich enough, we all know he's the best middleweight... Go get a Superfight to set the juices flowing.

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Post by AdamT on Mon 12 Sep 2016, 10:12 am

BoxingFan88 wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
BoxingFan88 wrote:
You don't want GGG much if you think he has no skill and is a "Flat track bully"

Do you not understand what he did in the ring tonight?

That Ward fight is very competitive, Ward won't get past Kovalev anyway

Gone are the days where the fight that GGG put up would be lauded, as he just didn't give a monkeys about what came back and declared war because he was annoyed about something and just wanted to punish Brook, he wasn't trying to box or be clever he went into destruction mode

These days people rather defensive fighters who won't even engage and pot shot to victory stinking out the fight and calling it some sort of masterclass

Laughable



GGG did what he was supposed to do, anyone from 160-168 gets destroyed

What a load of old crap, i'll have to rewatch it in slow motion to see what actually went on.

GGG didn't fight that way because he wanted to but because he had, Brook was the more skillful quicker boxer so marching him down made sense, he wasn't going to win boxing clever.

What is laughable is how posters like you seem to decided who and what people should enjoy, now I don't enjoy watching a flat track bully beat up on smaller or overmatched opponents, it's boring.

There's a reason he's not yet moved up and it's because the level of skill in the 168lb is far superior to Middleweight which has been barren for years now, he can complain about being avoided all he wants but he just fought a Welterweight.

GGG is usually the SMALLER guy in the ring, what are you talking about????


If you honestly think that was the only way GGG could have won was by doing that, you obviously don't know anything about him and much like most on this sub, don't actually understand how good he is

GGG could have used his jab and beaten Brook up from range had he chosen to

Laughable how under rated GGG is on here, yet Ward and Rigo get lauded as some sort of boxing masters for a saftey first approach taking no risks and providing barely any entertainment value

Ward's best win is Froch, GGG would have destroyed Froch

Destroyed Froch? Are you sure about that??

Froch was old when the fight was being touted. I think The Froch of a few years back would have a decent chance of beating GGG at 168.

GGG is a great middle, but I don't think he would be as effective at 168. I think a switched on Degale could give him problems.

Hopefully we find out soon, because I really don't care about his reign at MW anymore. The division is devoid of any real talent.


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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 12 Sep 2016, 10:26 am

I think the move to 168 will come sooner rather than later, Adam.....

There are a few problems with the BJS fight....

Warren won't want to lose the brightest star in a barren sky until he has to....

BJS has been stuck on Boxnation so he isn't a big name.....Being a unification he should be a bigger fight...But GGG is going to be on a big pay cut...

BJS hasn't being milked yet.........Hatton would probably still be WBU champion now...


168 guys are going to take his shot better which will probably mean fights go later and are more knackering........ He's approaching 35......

He'll have to go soon..

He can wait for Canelo but Canelo has just seen him bag millions for a popular welter....

GGG will be ringing Hearn to defend his WBO 154 title as soon as Brook is ready probably next summer......He won't want to lose till then..


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Post by AdamT on Mon 12 Sep 2016, 10:34 am

If Saunders steps up, then fair enough. But as you say Truss, Warren might not want it.

Canelo won't be ready until at least this time next year.

I want to see GGG in a fight were he is in a risk of losing. There is no fun watching a fight, when you know who is going win.

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Post by EX7EY on Mon 12 Sep 2016, 10:36 am

Saying GGG would have 'destroyed Froch' is a bold statement IMO. I don't see it myself. Froch has a granite chin as we all know, and he can bang. When Carl lands on GGG he doesn't just shrug it off and keep coming like he did against Brook. Maybe he wins, maybe he doesn't but to start talking about destroying Froch is a bit silly.

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Post by AdamT on Mon 12 Sep 2016, 10:38 am

EX7EY wrote:Saying GGG would have 'destroyed Froch' is a bold statement IMO. I don't see it myself. Froch has a granite chin as we all know, and he can bang. When Carl lands on GGG he doesn't just shrug it off and keep coming like he did against Brook. Maybe he wins, maybe he doesn't but to start talking about destroying Froch is a bit silly.

good post. He would need to box Froch.

I couldn't see GGG marching him down and walking through him. I also would of picked Kessler and JC at 168 if they were around.

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Mon 12 Sep 2016, 10:42 am

EX7EY wrote:Saying GGG would have 'destroyed Froch' is a bold statement IMO. I don't see it myself. Froch has a granite chin as we all know, and he can bang. When Carl lands on GGG he doesn't just shrug it off and keep coming like he did against Brook. Maybe he wins, maybe he doesn't but to start talking about destroying Froch is a bit silly.

I think he would have stopped him

GGG wouldn't be walking Froch down in the same way, he would be pressuring him and put Froch on the back foot, but not carelessly

Maybe destroy was a bit of a strong word

It would be a cracking fight, but GGG would stop him later I think


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Post by AdamT on Mon 12 Sep 2016, 10:43 am

I think GGG would maybe win on points, but wouldn't be that surprised if Froch got to him late.

It's all about opinions.

I think Calzaghe would of slapped him silly (literally).

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Post by EX7EY on Mon 12 Sep 2016, 10:51 am

JC outboxes Froch all day every day. Im just not sure Golovkin is going to be as effective at Super middle against anybody. Carl has a height and a huge reach advantage over GGG and he can take a shot. For me Carl keeps GGG at bay with his solid jab and stops GGG late, just my opinion.

I don't see GGG beating Ward either. Maybe De Gale because he switches off mid fight too often and GGG won't let him get away with that

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Post by AdamT on Mon 12 Sep 2016, 11:02 am

GGG would probably be favourite at 168 with any fighter. However he would also be at a risk of losing, unlike at 160.

The extra weight can make a difference. This isn't a dig at GGG. I like him and think he is a fantastic fighter.

Though imagine if Floyd or Manny had of stayed at 135-140. They too would be bullying and blasting guys all over the ring.

I don't think you should have to weight hop to be a great. However in todays era, the depth of talent isn't really there.

After he beats Saunders (if BJ takes it), he needs to have some defining fights.

If he were to become champ at 168 and Ward beats Kovalev, there is a super fight at 170. That is a catchweight I wouldn't mind watching.

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Post by EX7EY on Mon 12 Sep 2016, 11:11 am

Do you really think he is as effective carrying 8-10 pounds more against naturally bigger guys though Adam? I'm not sure, he's not exactly a massive MW and he doesn't appear to walk around a lot heavier in between fights.


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Post by milkyboy on Mon 12 Sep 2016, 11:15 am

Think golovkin beats Froch personally. Froch has a great chin, albeit if that shot from groves lands earlier in the round he might not have survived it. I recall Froch looking a little uncomfortable to bodyshots, though he was rarely targeted there. Think golovkin would hunt him to the body. Be a great fight though, ggg wouldn't walk through froch's punches - and it would be interesting to see who's jab came out on top. 

Golovkin for me but you write off a tough guy like Froch at your peril.

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