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Well alfie, Buttler did what Buttler does. He's good at getting 30s, 40s and 50s in the middle order and normally thats fine for a wicketkeeper / No. 7, but with our top 4 / 5 failing with alarming regularity, for whatever reason, we're going to need him to score big fifties or even centuries.
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CaledonianCraig wrote:It really is amazing to think how Bairstow has implanted himself in this side. Arguably, he is now the lynchpin of the batting line-up but turn the clock back a couple of years and the debate raged about whether he merited a place in the side over Buttler. Since then he has cemented a place in the side with numerous crucial innings scoring big and setting a record this year for most runs in a calendar year by a wicket-keeper. Today he is homing in on another century and has held this innings together. England 252 for 6.
Does that count as a jinx. Bairstow out lbw for 89.
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Oh well, thats game over. Bairstow's heroic resistance finally comes to an end. The only England batsman to really trouble the scorers, besides Buttler. He goes for 89 and England are reduced to 258-7.
Expect we will be all out for around 300 now. Be interesting to see what India can muster when its their turn.
Expect we will be all out for around 300 now. Be interesting to see what India can muster when its their turn.
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CaledonianCraig wrote:CaledonianCraig wrote:It really is amazing to think how Bairstow has implanted himself in this side. Arguably, he is now the lynchpin of the batting line-up but turn the clock back a couple of years and the debate raged about whether he merited a place in the side over Buttler. Since then he has cemented a place in the side with numerous crucial innings scoring big and setting a record this year for most runs in a calendar year by a wicket-keeper. Today he is homing in on another century and has held this innings together. England 252 for 6.
Does that count as a jinx. Bairstow out lbw for 89.
Bad Craig! Go sit on the naughty step...
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I am holding off on assessing the Buttler contribution. If this pitch goes downhill quickly (and England's spinners are up to it ) that forty might prove to have been vital.
Pity Bairstow missed out on the hundred. But this score may be worth more tan you'd normally think. We shall see - be handy if Woakes and Rashid could make a few more...
Pity Bairstow missed out on the hundred. But this score may be worth more tan you'd normally think. We shall see - be handy if Woakes and Rashid could make a few more...
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The problem I have with Buttler being in the side is that it adds just another expansive batsman in there. England already have one of them in the side in Stokes and I don't think they can afford two. Stokes would merit the place over Buttler as he chips in with wickets as a bowler and is noted for his fielding which you don't get with Buttler.
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CaledonianCraig wrote:The problem I have with Buttler being in the side is that it adds just another expansive batsman in there. England already have one of them in the side in Stokes and I don't think they can afford two. Stokes would merit the place over Buttler as he chips in with wickets as a bowler and is noted for his fielding which you don't get with Buttler.
Don't disagree , Craig. But I'm looking at this as a one - off (or three - off , maybe ) for this series...and in that context , I'm not unhappy with the result today.
We will reconsider a lot of things before the next home series.
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alfie wrote:CaledonianCraig wrote:The problem I have with Buttler being in the side is that it adds just another expansive batsman in there. England already have one of them in the side in Stokes and I don't think they can afford two. Stokes would merit the place over Buttler as he chips in with wickets as a bowler and is noted for his fielding which you don't get with Buttler.
Don't disagree , Craig. But I'm looking at this as a one - off (or three - off , maybe ) for this series...and in that context , I'm not unhappy with the result today.
We will reconsider a lot of things before the next home series.
Oh don't get me wrong, he contributed with some vital runs today but just don't think a case can be made for playing both him and Stokes in the same side. Someone in the Bairstow mould is more needed. Someone who can stick around for the long haul and play the supporting role. Who that is I don't know though.
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Ah we all wish we knew who the new middle order star will be...
It probably won't be Buttler. Of course I still want a new number three in the Trott mode so Root can go back to four.
It probably won't be Buttler. Of course I still want a new number three in the Trott mode so Root can go back to four.
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Woakes bowled for 25 and England on 266 for 8 as we enter the final over of the day. India on top and look set to bowl England out for way short of 300.
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Woakes gone !
Didnt want that so close to stumps. Those two wickets in the last half hour have given India a good finish to the day.
Nevertheless I'm not too despondent . If England bowl well tomorrow they may still find themselves right in this match. Have to bowl well , mind. But I don't think this pitch is one for the stroke players.
Didnt want that so close to stumps. Those two wickets in the last half hour have given India a good finish to the day.
Nevertheless I'm not too despondent . If England bowl well tomorrow they may still find themselves right in this match. Have to bowl well , mind. But I don't think this pitch is one for the stroke players.
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Oh wow - Woakes done by the new ball. Umesh gets him for 25 and England are now 266-8.
We're not even going to get close to 300 now. Its going to be a repeat of the 2nd test.
England's top order has cost us yet again.
We're not even going to get close to 300 now. Its going to be a repeat of the 2nd test.
England's top order has cost us yet again.
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England limp to close of play on 268 for 8. It could and should have been much better but it also could and perhaps should have been much worse.
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alfie wrote:Ah we all wish we knew who the new middle order star will be...
It probably won't be Buttler. Of course I still want a new number three in the Trott mode so Root can go back to four.
I'm more worried about finding some top order stars, as that is where England's most pressing concerns are.
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Root at three doesn't seem to be working, I probably seem overly harsh on him but i'm sick to death of seeing him throw his wicket away time and time again.
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alfie wrote:Woakes gone !
Didnt want that so close to stumps. Those two wickets in the last half hour have given India a good finish to the day.
Nevertheless I'm not too despondent . If England bowl well tomorrow they may still find themselves right in this match. Have to bowl well , mind. But I don't think this pitch is one for the stroke players.
I fully expect India to grind us into the dirt over the next couple of days, going at 2-and-a-bit runs an over and get around 450. Their batsmen have the patience and discipline to do it (or at least 2-3 do on a regular basis) whereas ours simply don't.
They are 1-0 up in the series now and can afford to draw the remaining matches.
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--I am disappointed to have not gotten "the spitting cobra" pitch yet....
this pitch is dead, slow, low, no variable bounce yet and with a lightening fast outfield......450 should be a par score in first inning....how Eng stand now their projected trajectory does not seem going beyond 315 right now
Although if they get one of these early , Anderson doesn't look in good form.....so India can roll them over as low as 290
--Eng should be disappointed at having lost 8 for the day....their inning has had a clumsy, frenetic, scrappy tone......guess because none of the 3 ( top-3) proper organized batsman got going.
Give credit to Kohli...keeps changing and pushing and plugging away with a lot of hunger and desire to look for wickets all the time and succeeds in making things happen.....many other captains would go to sleep on this pitch.
Give credit to Indian seamers to...stood up on the day when there was nothing for the spinners and very little for seamers...fast air speed and ability to reverse created opportunities for them.
--Parthiv has a technical flaw in his wicket keeping ......that he has not been able to iron out even in 8 years...and whether catches stick in his gloves especially to spinners will remain a hit or miss.
Saha is much safer and we need him back.
--Karun Nair is a very good FC batsman and can't ask for a better pitch for his debut....where will he bat? and who will open remains the question...
any of Nair, Rahane, Pujara can open
they can stick in Parthiv to open too...and that would be my preference....
--Bairstow continues to get runs....and a lot of them to the sweep.....India has to look to cut out his slog sweep through square leg...go round the wicket and angle the ball away from him
this pitch is dead, slow, low, no variable bounce yet and with a lightening fast outfield......450 should be a par score in first inning....how Eng stand now their projected trajectory does not seem going beyond 315 right now
Although if they get one of these early , Anderson doesn't look in good form.....so India can roll them over as low as 290
--Eng should be disappointed at having lost 8 for the day....their inning has had a clumsy, frenetic, scrappy tone......guess because none of the 3 ( top-3) proper organized batsman got going.
Give credit to Kohli...keeps changing and pushing and plugging away with a lot of hunger and desire to look for wickets all the time and succeeds in making things happen.....many other captains would go to sleep on this pitch.
Give credit to Indian seamers to...stood up on the day when there was nothing for the spinners and very little for seamers...fast air speed and ability to reverse created opportunities for them.
--Parthiv has a technical flaw in his wicket keeping ......that he has not been able to iron out even in 8 years...and whether catches stick in his gloves especially to spinners will remain a hit or miss.
Saha is much safer and we need him back.
--Karun Nair is a very good FC batsman and can't ask for a better pitch for his debut....where will he bat? and who will open remains the question...
any of Nair, Rahane, Pujara can open
they can stick in Parthiv to open too...and that would be my preference....
--Bairstow continues to get runs....and a lot of them to the sweep.....India has to look to cut out his slog sweep through square leg...go round the wicket and angle the ball away from him
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alfie wrote:I only got in from a long day in the field (and a couple of drinks after close of play) at 205/5 so have no idea what happened earlier.
Am intrigued by the scoring however : was at 3.24 when I started watching ; but the usually aggressive Bairstow and Buttler were were practically stationary ...
Clearly the pitch wasn't spinning like a top from ball one (I think the advance predictions in the Indian press are best disregarded ) but it appears that at least in this session it is a hard pitch on which to play strokes. Not sure I'd want to be batting last on it .
Butler did quite well , no ? And YJB seems to have handled the move up the order pretty well.
Not that it helped the top order situation much...
Alfie - hope your bowling was as exact!
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Of the eight wickets to fall I'd say Cook, Root, Moeen, Stokes and Buttler gave theirs away. England now very much on the back foot and the road map[ for tomorrow for them must be:-
Somehow squeeze out another 30+ runs to pass the 300 mark tomorrow morning. They then need to put in a great effort with the ball and look to grab a couple of wickets and have India 50 for 2 at lunch. By tea have India toiling at around 150 for 5 and by close of play reduce the hosts to around 225 for 8.
India will now look to stamp their authority on this test. They will hope to bowl England out for around 280. They will then look to reach lunch no worse than 80 for 1. By tea they will hope the pitch hasn't deteriorated too much and enable them to get up to around 200 for 3. By close they will hope to have a lead in the match and be around 290 for 5.
Somehow squeeze out another 30+ runs to pass the 300 mark tomorrow morning. They then need to put in a great effort with the ball and look to grab a couple of wickets and have India 50 for 2 at lunch. By tea have India toiling at around 150 for 5 and by close of play reduce the hosts to around 225 for 8.
India will now look to stamp their authority on this test. They will hope to bowl England out for around 280. They will then look to reach lunch no worse than 80 for 1. By tea they will hope the pitch hasn't deteriorated too much and enable them to get up to around 200 for 3. By close they will hope to have a lead in the match and be around 290 for 5.
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Ok, yes, both sides need to have had a go with the bat before you can properly call it but I'm pretty gloomy.
Unlike some of the oafs that Sky squander my subscription on, I've a lot of time for Atherton and feel he was close to spot on at the end:
''A fine day for India and a missed opportunity for England. A very good pitch, the best they've seen on their travels this winter so far but really too many soft dismissals contributed to their own downfall with some excellent bowling, good captaincy from India. Catching a little bit faulty but ultimately India's day''.
Surprised about the pitch. Thought it was meant to be a bunsen from the off.
Just to add on England's batting - double figures for everyone apart from the luckless Hameed who got a brute of a ball but only Bairstow properly going on at all. Useful from Buttler (sorry, Craig - you'll have to wait to mutter ''I 'ate you, Buttler!'' ) but we needed more than useful after the usual top order failings.
Unlike some of the oafs that Sky squander my subscription on, I've a lot of time for Atherton and feel he was close to spot on at the end:
''A fine day for India and a missed opportunity for England. A very good pitch, the best they've seen on their travels this winter so far but really too many soft dismissals contributed to their own downfall with some excellent bowling, good captaincy from India. Catching a little bit faulty but ultimately India's day''.
Surprised about the pitch. Thought it was meant to be a bunsen from the off.
Just to add on England's batting - double figures for everyone apart from the luckless Hameed who got a brute of a ball but only Bairstow properly going on at all. Useful from Buttler (sorry, Craig - you'll have to wait to mutter ''I 'ate you, Buttler!'' ) but we needed more than useful after the usual top order failings.
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Useful from Buttler (sorry, Craig - you'll have to wait to mutter ''I 'ate you, Buttler!'' ) but we needed more than useful after the usual top order failings.
I have nothing against Buttler but with Stokes in there England can't afford TWO expansive batsmen in the middle to lower order. That is my point. It is either Stokes or Buttler and Stokes wins out as he chips in as an all-rounder. Like I said earlier England need someone in the Bairstow nould who doesn't give his wicket away and can play a solid TEST MATCH innings and that isn't Buttler. It is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. He may keep his place for the rest of the tour but, for me, I don't see how this can be the way forward.
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CaledonianCraig wrote:guildfordbat wrote:
Useful from Buttler (sorry, Craig - you'll have to wait to mutter ''I 'ate you, Buttler!'' ) but we needed more than useful after the usual top order failings.
I have nothing against Buttler but with Stokes in there England can't afford TWO expansive batsmen in the middle to lower order. That is my point. It is either Stokes or Buttler and Stokes wins out as he chips in as an all-rounder. Like I said earlier England need someone in the Bairstow nould who doesn't give his wicket away and can play a solid TEST MATCH innings and that isn't Buttler. It is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. He may keep his place for the rest of the tour but, for me, I don't see how this can be the way forward.
This is all absolute rubbish.
England need the guy who scores the most runs - however they get them really doesn't matter one iota.
And actually, today, Buttler played a fairly "solid" test match innings anyways!
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Buttler's biggest problem in tests has been his reluctance to play expansively and suppressing his natural game, he's not the answer for me but I agree with Olly 100%.
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Hammersmith harrier wrote:Buttler's biggest problem in tests has been his reluctance to play expansively and suppressing his natural game, he's not the answer for me but I agree with Olly 100%.
I agree with this - when dropped originally he was in horrible form trying to block out - when he plays he needs to treat it like an ODI innings, where he'll give himself 20 balls to get in and then go. If he's too succeed in tests, he needs to do that too (very much like Gilchrist/Prior used to do coming in at 7)
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How we could do with Matt Prior now.
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Also - until we find those elusive middle order players, Bairstow must stay at 5. He's been our best batsman for a year now, and coming in at 7 he's been wasted.
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Hammersmith harrier wrote:How we could do with Matt Prior now.
Fantastic servant and became a really good keeper too. Averaging 40 coming in at 7, boy we could do with that!
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The script as I see it from here
Eng~300 first inning
Ind~ 100 run lead first inning
Eng -200 second inning
Ind ~100 for about 3
Eng~300 first inning
Ind~ 100 run lead first inning
Eng -200 second inning
Ind ~100 for about 3
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Or we could expect more from our top order?dyrewolfe wrote:Well alfie, Buttler did what Buttler does. He's good at getting 30s, 40s and 50s in the middle order and normally thats fine for a wicketkeeper / No. 7, but with our top 4 / 5 failing with alarming regularity, for whatever reason, we're going to need him to score big fifties or even centuries.
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KP_fan wrote:The script as I see it from here
Eng~300 first inning
Ind~ 100 run lead first inning
Eng -200 second inning
Ind ~100 for about 3
You may be right , KPf. We will see tomorrow . I just have this feeling that India may not find it so easy as you think to get up around 400. Just based on what I saw after tea : while there are no spitting cobras around , scoring looked harder than it ought for a well set Bairstow (even given he had to be cautious ). I am not convinced it is a 400 pitch.
Of course , if Kohli produces another master class , they may get 400 anyway
I just don't think it's a given.
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So, 268-8 this time, from 85-4, that is a pretty decent recovery. Fine knock from Bairstow, Buttler scoring at least 40 more than either Ballance or Duckett would have done! India kept dropping catches, England batsmen persisted till they managed to hold on to one eventually! All 5 bowlers chipping in well for captain Kohli. Couple of wickets to Umesh, Jadeja and Jayant, and 1 each for Shami and Ashwin. Shami the most unlucky bowler, Umesh producing 2 terrific deliveries to get Hameed and Woakes at the beginning and end of the day.
Overall, India will be the happier side. The pitch isn't a minefield for sure. It didn't seem to offer all that much to the seamers or spinners. But there seems to be something, just a bit of life that would keep the bowlers interested. So if England somehow can push along to 320 around, that won't be a bad effort at all. India will have to bat outstandingly to reach 450 on this, though there hasn't much activity from the pitch, I just didn't get the feel that it really is a 450 pitch somehow.
Overall, India will be the happier side. The pitch isn't a minefield for sure. It didn't seem to offer all that much to the seamers or spinners. But there seems to be something, just a bit of life that would keep the bowlers interested. So if England somehow can push along to 320 around, that won't be a bad effort at all. India will have to bat outstandingly to reach 450 on this, though there hasn't much activity from the pitch, I just didn't get the feel that it really is a 450 pitch somehow.
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Recalls for Matt Prior and Ian Bell already confirmed! So while we are at it, why don't they fix the troubled number 4 position as well? There is nobody who can replace the irreplaceable Kevin Peter Pietersen! And perhaps an sos can be send to Paul Downton as well, he'll have new and innovative solutions so that the top order would stay 'Engaged'!
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I expect a big, focused redemption second innings from Cook, Root et al.
This morning was all lack of concentration (Hameed accepted, his ball actually did something)
This morning was all lack of concentration (Hameed accepted, his ball actually did something)
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Do we need English batsmen to go and play some first class domestic cricket in the Sub Continent to improve their playing of spin?
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Off course the script is not guarantee but a quite likely scenario....alfie wrote:KP_fan wrote:The script as I see it from here
Eng~300 first inning
Ind~ 100 run lead first inning
Eng -200 second inning
Ind ~100 for about 3
You may be right , KPf. We will see tomorrow . I just have this feeling that India may not find it so easy as you think to get up around 400. Just based on what I saw after tea : while there are no spitting cobras around , scoring looked harder than it ought for a well set Bairstow (even given he had to be cautious ). I am not convinced it is a 400 pitch.
Of course , if Kohli produces another master class , they may get 400 anyway
I just don't think it's a given.
I am not counting on Kohli to deliver a big inning thiis time ...but rather on a sum of parts effort......useful contribution from many including 3 bowling allrounders......with a big one from Rahane being due
Watch out for Parthiv......he is a like a 6th batsman......far better than Saha with the bat in my view a...and I am counting on him to score a healthy half century
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India's selectorial call to bring in Parthiv Patel for his improved wicketkeeping and experience over the young and exciting Rishabh Pant already looks like a foolish one. Parthiv might have improved with the gloves. But his benchmarks at the time of original dropping in 2004 were that of a parttime club wicketkeeper, he was that poor! And even now, he doesn't seem safe at all. He's a better bat than Saha, but isn't really a proper batsman as such. The selectors have to move on from the Saha Parthiv Karthik generation, none of them were really good enough, none of them are really good enough now. Saha is the better of the lot but isn't really all that safe behind the stumps either.
So time for Samson or Pant, no point in being stubborn, cut your losses and move on.......
So time for Samson or Pant, no point in being stubborn, cut your losses and move on.......
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and what if pant drops 3 catches in his first game?msp83 wrote:India's selectorial call to bring in Parthiv Patel for his improved wicketkeeping and experience over the young and exciting Rishabh Pant already looks like a foolish one. Parthiv might have improved with the gloves. But his benchmarks at the time of original dropping in 2004 were that of a parttime club wicketkeeper, he was that poor! And even now, he doesn't seem safe at all. He's a better bat than Saha, but isn't really a proper batsman as such. The selectors have to move on from the Saha Parthiv Karthik generation, none of them were really good enough, none of them are really good enough now. Saha is the better of the lot but isn't really all that safe behind the stumps either.
So time for Samson or Pant, no point in being stubborn, cut your losses and move on.......
Saha is safe as a wK and a fighting lower order batsman....remember the discussion we had you can count on one hand WKs we have had who average 30+ with the bat
parthiv is as good as a specialist batsman in the lalst 3 or 4 Ranji seasons and can redeem himself by getting a good score
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msp83 wrote:Recalls for Matt Prior and Ian Bell already confirmed! So while we are at it, why don't they fix the troubled number 4 position as well? There is nobody who can replace the irreplaceable Kevin Peter Pietersen! And perhaps an sos can be send to Paul Downton as well, he'll have new and innovative solutions so that the top order would stay 'Engaged'!
Alfie - I just knew my telling that Kevin Pietersen story here the other day was a mistake!
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Really don't get msp's hate for Indian wicket keepers! Saha/Patel have been fine so far this series
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Saha dropped 2 catches of Stokes at Rajkot in successive overs of Umesh Yadav. He let the same batsman off yet again in the 2nd test, missing a stumping. Now Parthiv put down 2 catches of Bairstow. Had the first opportunity been taken by Patel today, England in all likelihood would have been bowled out today itself. And Saha has been unable to make any significant contribution with the bat either, being part of 3 collapses......
And KPF, Panth is a proper bat. And he's someone with the potential to be in the Quinton de Kock league. If he's able to realize his potential, he will be able to make decisive contributions with the bat at 7. And as Kohli would say it, he has the potential to change test matches in a session.
Of course I know 1 good domestic season doesn't make a player an international great. But this lad has something special about him. And as the alternatives aren't really doing a spectacular job with gloves or bat, perhaps it is better to let him develop at the top level. And Pant dropping a catch would be less worse than Saha or Patel doing it. Saha has a sealing as a batsman, can't be more than a batsman who can average more than 30. Parthiv is better with the bat, but I don't think by a long way. And despite whatever improvement he is said to have made, he is far inferior to Saha as a wicketkeeper.
Just hope though, that Parthiv will be able to do the job for now, both with gloves and bat......
And KPF, Panth is a proper bat. And he's someone with the potential to be in the Quinton de Kock league. If he's able to realize his potential, he will be able to make decisive contributions with the bat at 7. And as Kohli would say it, he has the potential to change test matches in a session.
Of course I know 1 good domestic season doesn't make a player an international great. But this lad has something special about him. And as the alternatives aren't really doing a spectacular job with gloves or bat, perhaps it is better to let him develop at the top level. And Pant dropping a catch would be less worse than Saha or Patel doing it. Saha has a sealing as a batsman, can't be more than a batsman who can average more than 30. Parthiv is better with the bat, but I don't think by a long way. And despite whatever improvement he is said to have made, he is far inferior to Saha as a wicketkeeper.
Just hope though, that Parthiv will be able to do the job for now, both with gloves and bat......
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And yet again, young Benjamin finds himself in hotwater with some clownish behavior onfield. Is he keeping too much company with James Anderson? Rather than encouraging him like he did with the latter, Cook should tell the young lad to pipe down a bit. He's halfway to a 1 test suspension.......
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2016-17/content/story/1069084.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2016-17/content/story/1069084.html
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Tomm is an important morning for india and an important day in the context of remainder series....they have to bowl very tight......not give away even a single easy run....and wind Eng up for under 300
and then bat carefully.....upwards of 4 sessions...they have 9 batsmen and the 2 bowlers at the end can also be relied to deliver 20 to 30 runs with the bat
India needs a 100 run lead to overcome the affect of batting 4th.
such delicate is the balance that if India score even 300 runs in their first inning....they will stand more likely to lose the test than Eng.
A good day tomorrow for India and they would have effectively choked Eng out of the series.
so I cannot emphasize how important it is for India to at the very least not have a bad day tomm.
This Eng team may be lesser on skills...in Indian conditions... but very good sense of match situation , excellent test match temperament and fights very hard....and am sure they are aware of the relevance of the day that tomorrow holds
and then bat carefully.....upwards of 4 sessions...they have 9 batsmen and the 2 bowlers at the end can also be relied to deliver 20 to 30 runs with the bat
India needs a 100 run lead to overcome the affect of batting 4th.
such delicate is the balance that if India score even 300 runs in their first inning....they will stand more likely to lose the test than Eng.
A good day tomorrow for India and they would have effectively choked Eng out of the series.
so I cannot emphasize how important it is for India to at the very least not have a bad day tomm.
This Eng team may be lesser on skills...in Indian conditions... but very good sense of match situation , excellent test match temperament and fights very hard....and am sure they are aware of the relevance of the day that tomorrow holds
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msp83 wrote:And yet again, young Benjamin finds himself in hotwater with some clownish behavior onfield. Is he keeping too much company with James Anderson? Rather than encouraging him like he did with the latter, Cook should tell the young lad to pipe down a bit. He's halfway to a 1 test suspension.......
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2016-17/content/story/1069084.html
Ludicrous that Kohli didn't also get the same punishment as Stokes here, although I notice you've overlooked this much like the ICC.......
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Not the start England wanted as Rashid falls immediately.
Fortunately the Burnley Lara is showing how to do it ...though Batty goes so that's it ...283
Good bowling from Shami
Fortunately the Burnley Lara is showing how to do it ...though Batty goes so that's it ...283
Good bowling from Shami
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guildfordbat wrote:Ok, yes, both sides need to have had a go with the bat before you can properly call it but I'm pretty gloomy.
Unlike some of the oafs that Sky squander my subscription on, I've a lot of time for Atherton and feel he was close to spot on at the end:
''A fine day for India and a missed opportunity for England. A very good pitch, the best they've seen on their travels this winter so far but really too many soft dismissals contributed to their own downfall with some excellent bowling, good captaincy from India. Catching a little bit faulty but ultimately India's day''.
Surprised about the pitch. Thought it was meant to be a bunsen from the off.
Just to add on England's batting - double figures for everyone apart from the luckless Hameed who got a brute of a ball but only Bairstow properly going on at all. Useful from Buttler (sorry, Craig - you'll have to wait to mutter ''I 'ate you, Buttler!'' ) but we needed more than useful after the usual top order failings.
Surely that failing is the top order's, not Buttler's, he second-top scored! In a definitely less than ideal situation for what everyone including the coach said they were looking for him to do
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No joy for the new ball for England ...Moeen and Rashid have started quite nicely : they will need to do a job today if England are to keep in this match.
Suspect this will be a day for patience...batsmen and bowlers. Pitch not offering anything tricky yet ; but spinners on both sides have not seemed easy to attack.
I see Hameed is off the field . Hope his apparent injury isn't going to rule him out of the next match.
Suspect this will be a day for patience...batsmen and bowlers. Pitch not offering anything tricky yet ; but spinners on both sides have not seemed easy to attack.
I see Hameed is off the field . Hope his apparent injury isn't going to rule him out of the next match.
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Stokes with the magic touch ...gets Vijay in his first over.
Vijay walked - didn't look as if the umpire was giving it though heaven knows why not - an obvious edge. Poor shot. But very welcome to England.
Vijay walked - didn't look as if the umpire was giving it though heaven knows why not - an obvious edge. Poor shot. But very welcome to England.
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Good morning for India...Pathiv doing a great job for them as stand in opener . Sixty on the board just for the loss of Vijay gives them a great platform ; no doubt they will want to bat just once.
England will need some inspiration after lunch.
England will need some inspiration after lunch.
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Rashid traps Parthiv lbw via a courageous review ! Long way forward but was a clear out on hawk eye ...an excellent call by Bairstow who was very keen to go for that
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England just keep nibbling away but they need wickets at fairly frequent intervals. The economy rate is good as well but you feel all that India need is one big partnership here and they are guaranteed a sizeable first innings lead. India 82 for 2 but runs drying up.
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