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IRELAND v NEW ZEALAND
19 November 2016
KO: 17:30
Aviva Stadium, Dublin

Live on Sky Sports 2

Referee: Jaco Peyper (South Africa)
Assistant referees: Mathieu Raynal (France), Ian Davies (Wales)
Television match official: Jon Mason (Wales)
Assessor: Chris White (England)

A. Head to Head

29 Played 29
1 Won 27
1 Drawn 1
27 Lost 1
310 Points 812

B. Recent Form 

5 November 2016
Soldier Field, Chicago IL
40–29 to Ireland

24 November 2013 
Aviva Stadium, Dublin 
22 – 24 to New Zealand 

23 June 2012 
Waikato Stadium, Hamilton 
60 – 0 to New Zealand 

16 June 2012 
Rugby League Park, Christchurch 
22 – 19 to New Zealand

9 June 2012 
Eden Park, Auckland 
42 – 10 to New Zealand

20 November 2010 
Aviva Stadium, Dublin 
18 – 38 to New Zealand 

C. Teams

IRELAND 
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R Kearney; A Trimble, J Payne, R Henshaw, S Zebo; J Sexton, C Murray; J McGrath, R Best, T Furlong; D Toner, D Ryan; CJ Stander, S O'Brien, J Heaslip.

Replacements: S Cronin, C Healy, F Bealham, I Henderson, J van der Flier, K Marmion, P Jackson, G Ringrose.

NEW ZEALAND
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B Smith; I Dagg, M Fekitoa, A Lienert-Brown, J Savea; B Barrett, A Smith; J Moody, D Coles, O Franks; B Retallick, S Whitelock; L Squire, S Can, K Read (capt).

Replacements: C Taylor, W Crockett, C Faumuina, S Barrett, A Savea, TJ Perenara, A Cruden, W Naholo.


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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:36 pm

profitius wrote:Should have gone for the try instead of taking the second kick. Poor decision imo. Scrum advantage and a man advantage


Barrett superb!

He is indeed, ripping us open.

We seriously need to trust our scrum more. That is a clear advantage to us.

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Post by Guest Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:38 pm

Taylorman wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:"Can you see a clear grounding?"

"I can see a clear grounding."

Blatant, blatant lie! There was nothing clear about that.

What part of the first view of the grounding can you not see the ball touching the ground Rory?

You cant though if it is its in the shadows of it all

Well my TVs pretty good. Ball, grass, no shadows. Clear grounding.
10-2 penalty count to Ireland. Hmm.

You must have some eyes, Taylorman. Where they good enough to see the no arms tackles?

No, just the Irish defence opened up like a can of sardines then the Sexton wrap around the head on Barrett in going in, oh, and the grounding. Which tackles? The Cane one? Arms there I thought. Mind you, with a penalty count of 10-2 perhaps the ref caught a few perhaps?

Keep making it up all you like. The AllBlacks seem to have a tactic of leading with the shoulder. Fair play to them, I suppose. They know this ref, and know they will get away with it.

As for the controversial try? I believe it was a try, but there's no chance the TMO seen the ball touch the grass, and neither did you. I think maybe you believe you did, but bias can do funny things with our vision.

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Post by Taylorman Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:39 pm

marty2086 wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:"Can you see a clear grounding?"

"I can see a clear grounding."

Blatant, blatant lie! There was nothing clear about that.

What part of the first view of the grounding can you not see the ball touching the ground Rory?

Eh...the whole part? There were arms in the way from what I could see on my screen. It looked as if the ball probably touched the ground from that view.

I didn't see the ball clearly touching the ground though.

And thats it the question was can you see a clear grounding and the TMO lied

Even the ref didnt believe him

Did the ref say he didn't believe him?
No, he asked for clear confirmation...'Are you saying there was clear grounding of the try?'

To which the TMO reconfirmed it.

Perhaps you're seeing into that what you prefer to believe?

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Post by Pot Hale Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:40 pm

Did irish fans expect this to be tiddlywinks?

It's a hard game and NZ deserve their lead. The injury toll from this game is not going to be pretty though. Someone is going to get seriously injured is my concern given the recklessness on both sides.

Ireland won't last given they've given up their bench so early.
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Post by marty2086 Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:40 pm

Taylorman wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:"Can you see a clear grounding?"

"I can see a clear grounding."

Blatant, blatant lie! There was nothing clear about that.

What part of the first view of the grounding can you not see the ball touching the ground Rory?

Eh...the whole part? There were arms in the way from what I could see on my screen. It looked as if the ball probably touched the ground from that view.

I didn't see the ball clearly touching the ground though.

And thats it the question was can you see a clear grounding and the TMO lied

Even the ref didnt believe him

Did the ref say he didn't believe him?
No, he asked for clear confirmation...'Are you saying there was clear grounding of the try?'

To which the TMO reconfirmed it.

Perhaps you're seeing into that what you prefer to believe?

And perhaps you are seeing things


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Post by lostinwales Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:41 pm

Classic tweet posted on epsnscrum text commentary

If you think the Irish are aggrieved now wait until Warren Gatland ignores half of their players.

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Post by Taylorman Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:42 pm

marty2086 wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:"Can you see a clear grounding?"

"I can see a clear grounding."

Blatant, blatant lie! There was nothing clear about that.

What part of the first view of the grounding can you not see the ball touching the ground Rory?

Eh...the whole part? There were arms in the way from what I could see on my screen. It looked as if the ball probably touched the ground from that view.

I didn't see the ball clearly touching the ground though.

And thats it the question was can you see a clear grounding and the TMO lied

Even the ref didnt believe him

Did the ref say he didn't believe him?
No, he asked for clear confirmation...'Are you saying there was clear grounding of the try?'

To which the TMO reconfirmed it.

Perhaps you're seeing into that what you prefer to believe?

And perhaps you are seeing things


You mean hearing things? Like the ref saying he didn't believe him perhaps? Unless of course you have mind reading capability? Hug

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Post by Golden Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:44 pm

Just checking in from a bar in Athens where I definitely dont have the best view but how was that second try given? Looked to everyone in the bar that Sexton was under it?

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Post by Taylorman Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:46 pm

Golden wrote:Just checking in from a bar in Athens where I definitely dont have the best view but how was that second try given? Looked to everyone in the bar that Sexton was under it?

Good point, a bar in Athens would probably have a better view of it than most. OK

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Post by Golden Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:47 pm

Hence the question

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Post by clivemcl Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:49 pm

Pot Hale wrote:Did irish fans expect this to be tiddlywinks?

It's a hard game and NZ deserve their lead.  The injury toll from this game is not going to be pretty though. Someone is going to get seriously injured is my concern given the recklessness on both sides.

Ireland won't last given they've given up their bench so early.

Where on the scale from tiddlywinks to barbaric does that high tackle fall out of curiousity??

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Post by Taylorman Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:53 pm

Golden wrote:Hence the question

The first view showed a clear grounding, and no arm. The second view was inconclusive. The ref asked for a clear grounding, and got one.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:53 pm

Lost for words at NZ's disgusting tactics and what they are getting away with.

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Post by Taylorman Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:54 pm

clivemcl wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:Did irish fans expect this to be tiddlywinks?

It's a hard game and NZ deserve their lead.  The injury toll from this game is not going to be pretty though. Someone is going to get seriously injured is my concern given the recklessness on both sides.

Ireland won't last given they've given up their bench so early.

Where on the scale from tiddlywinks to barbaric does that high tackle fall out of curiousity??

Yes Fekitoas was needless, he's starting to annoy with his simple approach to the game.

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Post by Heaf Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:56 pm

I think there should be an automatic team yellow after a certain amount of penalties for dangerous tackles ...

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Post by Golden Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:58 pm

Taylorman wrote:
Golden wrote:Hence the question

The first view showed a clear grounding, and no arm. The second view was inconclusive. The ref asked for a clear grounding, and got one.

Ah ok. Genuinely didn't see it. Only view i got was behind the goal line

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Post by Heaf Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:00 pm

Maybe time to start enforcing the offside in front of kicker law too ..

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Post by Taylorman Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:03 pm

Geez Ireland are a bldy good side. Can't see oz getting near them on these last two performances, win or lose this one.
Looking forward to the Irish English battle in the 6 N. I think Ireland are the much better side.
ABs just might pull away now as long as they can improve their discipline, they're being rattled by a very committed Irish side.

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Post by Taylorman Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:08 pm

Last pass looked forward to Fekitoa.

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Post by clivemcl Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:09 pm

Felt that last pass was forward but nobody questioning it.

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Post by Taylorman Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:10 pm

clivemcl wrote:Felt that last pass was forward but nobody questioning it.

Best did, but it's the sort of try that's given these days. Barrett was superb in the lead up though.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:11 pm

I always thought you were a joke, Peyper.

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Post by clivemcl Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:12 pm

Thank goodness for that penalty. We just went backwards 20 yards on our own possession.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:12 pm

Taylorman wrote:
clivemcl wrote:Felt that last pass was forward but nobody questioning it.

Best did, but it's the sort of try that's given these days. Barrett was superb in the lead up though.

No, no it isn't. The referee will check if there is doubt that it may have been forward. Maybe they do it differently in the SH?

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Post by Heaf Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:13 pm

clivemcl wrote:Felt that last pass was forward but nobody questioning it.
ABs score a try off a forward pass - hardly news, happens all the time.

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Post by AFewTooManyKnocks Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:13 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
clivemcl wrote:Felt that last pass was forward but nobody questioning it.

Best did, but it's the sort of try that's given these days. Barrett was superb in the lead up though.

No, no it isn't. The referee will check if there is doubt that it may have been forward. Maybe they do it differently in the SH?

It was fine on replay

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:15 pm

Josh van der Flier - unbelievable player.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:16 pm

AFewTooManyKnocks wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
clivemcl wrote:Felt that last pass was forward but nobody questioning it.

Best did, but it's the sort of try that's given these days. Barrett was superb in the lead up though.

No, no it isn't. The referee will check if there is doubt that it may have been forward. Maybe they do it differently in the SH?

It was fine on replay

Lol.

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Post by clivemcl Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:16 pm

We needed a score there.
Our backline unfortunately doens't look capable of puncturing the defense apart from Ringrose maybe at times.

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Post by AFewTooManyKnocks Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:18 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
AFewTooManyKnocks wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
clivemcl wrote:Felt that last pass was forward but nobody questioning it.

Best did, but it's the sort of try that's given these days. Barrett was superb in the lead up though.

No, no it isn't. The referee will check if there is doubt that it may have been forward. Maybe they do it differently in the SH?

It was fine on replay

Lol.

Seriously salty. The pass was fine. Get a grip. You wonder why this board is pants?

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:19 pm

AFewTooManyKnocks wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:
AFewTooManyKnocks wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
clivemcl wrote:Felt that last pass was forward but nobody questioning it.

Best did, but it's the sort of try that's given these days. Barrett was superb in the lead up though.

No, no it isn't. The referee will check if there is doubt that it may have been forward. Maybe they do it differently in the SH?

It was fine on replay

Lol.

Seriously salty. The pass was fine. Get a grip. You wonder why this board is pants?

Yeah, it's pants because I disagree with your perception of the replay. OK

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:19 pm

Anybody need any world class backrows? Leinster have too many.

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Post by clivemcl Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:20 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Anybody need any world class backrows? Leinster have too many.

And Nucifora is doing a stellar job isn't he??

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:21 pm

clivemcl wrote:We needed a score there.
Our backline unfortunately doens't look capable of puncturing the defense apart from Ringrose maybe at times.

He's playing at 12 in this game - I don't think he has ever played there before. He still needs to bulk up a little more from what I can tell, but he has looked very good in a position he isn't used to.

Speaking of centres - I hope Henshaw is okay.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:21 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Anybody need any world class backrows? Leinster have too many.

Look north.

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Post by Taylorman Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:21 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
clivemcl wrote:Felt that last pass was forward but nobody questioning it.

Best did, but it's the sort of try that's given these days. Barrett was superb in the lead up though.

No, no it isn't. The referee will check if there is doubt that it may have been forward. Maybe they do it differently in the SH?

Nobody queried it until Best came up during the conversion. Until that point none of Peypers support, ALL of whom are NH based, raised it. This is not a NH SH issue.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:24 pm

Taylorman wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
clivemcl wrote:Felt that last pass was forward but nobody questioning it.

Best did, but it's the sort of try that's given these days. Barrett was superb in the lead up though.

No, no it isn't. The referee will check if there is doubt that it may have been forward. Maybe they do it differently in the SH?

Nobody queried it until Best came up during the conversion. Until that point none of Peypers support, ALL of whom are NH based, raised it. This is not a NH SH issue.

I don't watch Super Rugby. I do watch the NH and those last passes are more often than not checked when there is doubt, even during the kick, if it is shown on the screen.

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Post by clivemcl Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:25 pm

Clear as day forward pass in the middle of that play. Ref has been a joke. Not a single yellow issued is a joke.

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Post by Guest Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:27 pm

Pot Hale wrote:Did irish fans expect this to be tiddlywinks?

It's a hard game and NZ deserve their lead.  The injury toll from this game is not going to be pretty though. Someone is going to get seriously injured is my concern given the recklessness on both sides.

Ireland won't last given they've given up their bench so early.

Yeah, sure we played tiddlywinks in Chicago Rolling Eyes

Not tiddlywinks, but legal would have been nice.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:27 pm

Another complete forward pass. Laugh

Peyper the Clown.

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Post by Taylorman Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:28 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
clivemcl wrote:Felt that last pass was forward but nobody questioning it.

Best did, but it's the sort of try that's given these days. Barrett was superb in the lead up though.

No, no it isn't. The referee will check if there is doubt that it may have been forward. Maybe they do it differently in the SH?

Nobody queried it until Best came up during the conversion. Until that point none of Peypers support, ALL of whom are NH based, raised it. This is not a NH SH issue.

I don't watch Super Rugby. I do watch the NH and those last passes are more often than not checked when there is doubt, even during the kick, if it is shown on the screen.

Well you tell me, who's running this show? why didn't Peypers support crew, the NH left touchie particularly, raise the issue?

If you're saying that Peyper should have reacted to Bests very late request I'd say you're stretching things. Unless of course that's a NH thing.

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Post by lostinwales Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:28 pm

clivemcl wrote:Clear as day forward pass in the middle of that play. Ref has been a joke. Not a single yellow issued is a joke.

two yellows were

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Post by Scottrf Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:29 pm

Have to agree with some of the Irish whinging.

A lot of unpunished high tackles and forward passes. Also thought the TMO lied about seeing clear grounding.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:30 pm

Taylorman wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
clivemcl wrote:Felt that last pass was forward but nobody questioning it.

Best did, but it's the sort of try that's given these days. Barrett was superb in the lead up though.

No, no it isn't. The referee will check if there is doubt that it may have been forward. Maybe they do it differently in the SH?

Nobody queried it until Best came up during the conversion. Until that point none of Peypers support, ALL of whom are NH based, raised it. This is not a NH SH issue.

I don't watch Super Rugby. I do watch the NH and those last passes are more often than not checked when there is doubt, even during the kick, if it is shown on the screen.

Well you tell me, who's running this show? why didn't Peypers support crew, the NH left touchie particularly, raise the issue?

If you're saying that Peyper should have reacted to Bests very late request I'd say you're stretching things. Unless of course that's a NH thing.

Of course he should have, considering it was there on the big screen for him to see. If there was any doubt it was worth checking.

Yeah, it has happened quite a few times actually, where the player has approached the referee or when the referee has seen it himself from the big screen. This was during the conversion. The referee can do so as long as the kick hasn't taken place.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:30 pm

clivemcl wrote:Clear as day forward pass in the middle of that play. Ref has been a joke. Not a single yellow issued is a joke.

I assume you mean red? Whistle

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Post by Guest Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:31 pm

Well, It's all over.

Well played AllBlacks and Peyper clap

Enthralling game all the same, and both sides gave their all. Disappointed in the loss, but not in Irelands effort. Sure, we're the moral victors Cool

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Post by clivemcl Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:31 pm

lostinwales wrote:
clivemcl wrote:Clear as day forward pass in the middle of that play. Ref has been a joke. Not a single yellow issued is a joke.

two yellows were

OK well my wife is snoozing, and I've two under four running around - that's my excuse! Whistle

Was their yellow tabs on the scoreboard? Don't know how I missed that.

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Post by Heaf Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:33 pm

lostinwales wrote:
clivemcl wrote:Clear as day forward pass in the middle of that play. Ref has been a joke. Not a single yellow issued is a joke.

two yellows were
but should have been more ...

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Post by Heaf Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:34 pm

Peyper was as useless as usual ...

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Post by Taylorman Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:36 pm

Well done ABs, got the job done. Far too niggly and reflects the pressure the Irish laid on.

Pity anyone else playing Ireland in the next few months.

Schmidt has got this side firing nicely. 6N winners for me, the last round match at Aviva versus England sure to be the decider.

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