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IRELAND v NEW ZEALAND
19 November 2016
KO: 17:30
Aviva Stadium, Dublin

Live on Sky Sports 2

Referee: Jaco Peyper (South Africa)
Assistant referees: Mathieu Raynal (France), Ian Davies (Wales)
Television match official: Jon Mason (Wales)
Assessor: Chris White (England)

A. Head to Head

29 Played 29
1 Won 27
1 Drawn 1
27 Lost 1
310 Points 812

B. Recent Form 

5 November 2016
Soldier Field, Chicago IL
40–29 to Ireland

24 November 2013 
Aviva Stadium, Dublin 
22 – 24 to New Zealand 

23 June 2012 
Waikato Stadium, Hamilton 
60 – 0 to New Zealand 

16 June 2012 
Rugby League Park, Christchurch 
22 – 19 to New Zealand

9 June 2012 
Eden Park, Auckland 
42 – 10 to New Zealand

20 November 2010 
Aviva Stadium, Dublin 
18 – 38 to New Zealand 

C. Teams

IRELAND 
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R Kearney; A Trimble, J Payne, R Henshaw, S Zebo; J Sexton, C Murray; J McGrath, R Best, T Furlong; D Toner, D Ryan; CJ Stander, S O'Brien, J Heaslip.

Replacements: S Cronin, C Healy, F Bealham, I Henderson, J van der Flier, K Marmion, P Jackson, G Ringrose.

NEW ZEALAND
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B Smith; I Dagg, M Fekitoa, A Lienert-Brown, J Savea; B Barrett, A Smith; J Moody, D Coles, O Franks; B Retallick, S Whitelock; L Squire, S Can, K Read (capt).

Replacements: C Taylor, W Crockett, C Faumuina, S Barrett, A Savea, TJ Perenara, A Cruden, W Naholo.


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Post by GunsGermsV2 Thu 17 Nov 2016, 9:44 am

Im sure the ABs will put on a show in Dublin and as an Ireland fan Im sure the players will put the effort in as always but cant see us winning. One thing however, that may influence the game is that it is absolutely miserable weather wise here at the moment. Cold and very wet and will probably be the same on Saturday. There was even some sleet earlier.

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Post by rodders Thu 17 Nov 2016, 9:46 am

mikey_dragon wrote:Ireland to chat sh't and get banged in this one.

Who the fook is that guy?
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Post by GunsGermsV2 Thu 17 Nov 2016, 9:47 am

Full blown snow in Dublin now.

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Post by rapidsnowman Thu 17 Nov 2016, 9:54 am

While the media (rightly) has been focusing on the fact this was Ireland's first win against NZ and those players will go down in history.

The other side of the coin is that those were the first All Blacks (and coach) to have been beaten by Ireland. It happened on their watch. There is going to be a furious backlash.

The only slight glimmer of hope from an Irish perspective is that NZ might want it too much and it might mess with their heads.

The other thing is that Ireland weren't hanging on at the end. They looked at least on a par with NZ.

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Post by GunsGermsV2 Thu 17 Nov 2016, 10:06 am

The ABs were rattled at the end of the game. They were making very uncharacteristic errors and buckling under pressure. Never seen that before in an Ireland game.

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Post by brennomac Thu 17 Nov 2016, 10:31 am

GunsGermsV2 wrote:Im sure the ABs will put on a show in Dublin and as an Ireland fan Im sure the players will put the effort in as always but cant see us winning. One thing however, that may influence the game is that it is absolutely miserable weather wise here at the moment. Cold and very wet and will probably be the same on Saturday. There was even some sleet earlier.

Guns, think NZ have some experience of sh1te weather, before they built a new covered stadium in Dunedin playing there was miserable, cold and usually wet. Anyway Weather on the wireless this morning has it cold and dry all weekend. Hansen's gas with the mind games, talking of NZ as underdogs, don't think many underdogs start with a -16 spread with the bookies!

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Post by marty2086 Thu 17 Nov 2016, 10:40 am

brennomac wrote:
GunsGermsV2 wrote:Im sure the ABs will put on a show in Dublin and as an Ireland fan Im sure the players will put the effort in as always but cant see us winning. One thing however, that may influence the game is that it is absolutely miserable weather wise here at the moment. Cold and very wet and will probably be the same on Saturday. There was even some sleet earlier.

Guns, think NZ have some experience of sh1te weather, before they built a new covered stadium in Dunedin playing there was miserable, cold and usually wet. Anyway Weather on the wireless this morning has it cold and dry all weekend.  Hansen's gas with the mind games, talking of NZ as underdogs, don't think many underdogs start with a -16 spread with the bookies!

And playing in a city you have never lost against a team who haven't been able to beat you in their own backyard before on the back of 1 loss in 17

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Post by rodders Thu 17 Nov 2016, 10:44 am

GunsGermsV2 wrote:The ABs were rattled at the end of the game. They were making very uncharacteristic errors and buckling under pressure. Never seen that before in an Ireland game.

I think Joe pulled off a bit of a rope a dope and turned the ABs greatest strength, their self belief against them.

The ABs firmly believe in their ability to come from behind and finish strong, based on past experience they would have been very confident that Ireland would tie up under pressure, sit on the lead and they would be able to pip them in the last 10 min.

What surprised them I think was Ireland continuing to go for the jugular and push for more scores - there was a look of disbelief when Henshaw scored, it just wasn't in the script.

I do think they won't have the same complacency, so we will have to have something different up our sleeves.

That said we don't have the same pressure now the monkey of history is off the back so we could be better too.
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Post by geoff999rugby Thu 17 Nov 2016, 11:05 am

Very interested in the 2nd row for the AB's this weekend.
That was a palpable weakness in Chicago.

What is also apparent is that, decent player though Cane is he ain't no McCaw.
AB's missing McCaw far more than Carter

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Post by Pete330v2 Thu 17 Nov 2016, 11:36 am

I think the 2nd row will make a huge difference for the ABs, in both the scrum and lineout so we won't get things as easy in those departments on Saturday which is worrying. I still think Ireland can edge this one as long as the squad can maintain the same mentality they brought to Chicago. The weather won't effect the ABs either, they are well used to playing in all conditions.

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Post by GunsGermsV2 Thu 17 Nov 2016, 11:43 am

brennomac wrote:
GunsGermsV2 wrote:Im sure the ABs will put on a show in Dublin and as an Ireland fan Im sure the players will put the effort in as always but cant see us winning. One thing however, that may influence the game is that it is absolutely miserable weather wise here at the moment. Cold and very wet and will probably be the same on Saturday. There was even some sleet earlier.

Guns, think NZ have some experience of sh1te weather, before they built a new covered stadium in Dunedin playing there was miserable, cold and usually wet. Anyway Weather on the wireless this morning has it cold and dry all weekend.  Hansen's gas with the mind games, talking of NZ as underdogs, don't think many underdogs start with a -16 spread with the bookies!

No doubt. However, I wasnt suggesting the weather will impact the outcome but rather the type of game played and maybe the scoreline.

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Post by GunsGermsV2 Thu 17 Nov 2016, 11:44 am

rodders wrote:
GunsGermsV2 wrote:The ABs were rattled at the end of the game. They were making very uncharacteristic errors and buckling under pressure. Never seen that before in an Ireland game.

I think Joe pulled off a bit of a rope a dope and turned the ABs greatest strength, their self belief against them.

The ABs firmly believe in their ability to come from behind and finish strong, based on past experience they would have been very confident that Ireland would tie up under pressure, sit on the lead and they would be able to pip them in the last 10 min.

What surprised them I think was Ireland continuing to go for the jugular and push for more scores - there was a look of disbelief when Henshaw scored, it just wasn't in the script.

I do think they won't have the same complacency, so we will have to have something different up our sleeves.

That said we don't have the same pressure now the monkey of history is off the back so we could be better too.

Agree completely with all of that.

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Post by GunsGermsV2 Thu 17 Nov 2016, 12:07 pm

When is the Ireland team announced?

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Post by rapidsnowman Thu 17 Nov 2016, 12:11 pm

13:45 i think

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Post by GunsGermsV2 Thu 17 Nov 2016, 12:13 pm

Go raibh maith agat.

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Post by rapidsnowman Thu 17 Nov 2016, 12:14 pm

The BIG question is how do we respond to the haka?  Wink

The number 8 formation was inspired, but what now?

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Post by GunsGermsV2 Thu 17 Nov 2016, 12:16 pm

Do nothing Id say. The 8 was a lovely touch but personally I dont think a response is needed really nor should you have to even watch it if you dont want to. If it is cold I think they should do a few lengths of the pitch to warm up.

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Post by SecretFly Thu 17 Nov 2016, 12:21 pm

The Ireland team have refused to be announced as they're still pulling straws to see who gets to sit this one out. Long straw - you're in, Short straw - you're out. The Long straw people keeping looking for another go. Wink

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Post by SecretFly Thu 17 Nov 2016, 12:25 pm

rapidsnowman wrote:The BIG question is how do we respond to the haka?  Wink

The number 8 formation was inspired, but what now?

Oh please - I hope not again.  With all due respect to Anthony Foley, the very best that can now happen for the sake of his memory is to let Anthony rest in peace.  We've had enough special moments, let's not over-cook it.

I'd recommend the players just stand in a line.  No need for any extras.  Just a line would be nice - then on with the game.

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Post by rapidsnowman Thu 17 Nov 2016, 12:43 pm

secretfly wrote:I'd recommend the players just stand in a line. No need for any extras. Just a line would be nice - then on with the game.

Yes, with their backs to the haka!

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Post by SecretFly Thu 17 Nov 2016, 12:51 pm

rapidsnowman wrote:
secretfly wrote:I'd recommend the players just stand in a line.  No need for any extras.  Just a line would be nice - then on with the game.

Yes, with their backs to the haka!

No... Wink ...facing it, would be my way. Let's respect them as a team that respected us. It's a bloody rugby game, not an International incident. Cool

I loved that Haka in Chicago. It was the right tone. It was loud and dramatic and it seems it was their most aggressive version. Some ex-AB said it shouldn't have happened, that it was too aggressive a version in light of the Irish remembering Anthony Foley. Then the ABs hit back and said that's the mark of respect to a warrior.

Damn right. Let's face their Haka - suck it in, take energy from it and go into battle.

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Post by rodders Thu 17 Nov 2016, 1:25 pm

rapidsnowman wrote:The BIG question is how do we respond to the haka?  Wink

The number 8 formation was inspired, but what now?

Anything but that blade of grass over the shoulder thing BOD did for the Lions. Bad move.
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Post by mikey_dragon Thu 17 Nov 2016, 1:36 pm

Try pointing and laughing at it, I don't think that's been done before.

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Post by marty2086 Thu 17 Nov 2016, 1:41 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Try pointing and laughing at it, I don't think that's been done before.  

Seems to work for the SH teams when they see Wales coming Whistle

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Post by SecretFly Thu 17 Nov 2016, 1:43 pm

That is beyond low, marty! That is scurrilous stuff!

Jesus, this place is becoming Trumpifyed - and it ain't pretty!

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Thu 17 Nov 2016, 1:51 pm

SecretFly wrote:That is beyond low, marty!  That is scurrilous stuff!

Jesus, this place is becoming Trumpifyed - and it ain't pretty!

Careful Fly - I don't want to have to go to the Off Topic section to talk about this game!

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Post by mikey_dragon Thu 17 Nov 2016, 1:56 pm

marty2086 wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:Try pointing and laughing at it, I don't think that's been done before.  

Seems to work for the SH teams when they see Wales coming Whistle

I resent that. Go get trumped!

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Post by SecretFly Thu 17 Nov 2016, 2:04 pm

Okay okay folks! Calm down - breathe in and reconnect with your tolerant selves.

Hmmm......................... I'm thinking. Not a lot else to say about this one other than that we're probably going to lose. Any other interesting games on this weekend?

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Post by marty2086 Thu 17 Nov 2016, 2:08 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:Try pointing and laughing at it, I don't think that's been done before.  

Seems to work for the SH teams when they see Wales coming Whistle

I resent that. Go get trumped!

Could be worse could get Hillary'd Shocked

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Post by marty2086 Thu 17 Nov 2016, 2:10 pm

SecretFly wrote:Okay okay folks!  Calm down - breathe in and reconnect with your tolerant selves.

Hmmm......................... I'm thinking.  Not a lot else to say about this one other than that we're probably going to lose.  Any other interesting games on this weekend?

We were saying that two weeks ago too

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Post by SecretFly Thu 17 Nov 2016, 2:16 pm

marty2086 wrote:
SecretFly wrote:Okay okay folks!  Calm down - breathe in and reconnect with your tolerant selves.

Hmmm......................... I'm thinking.  Not a lot else to say about this one other than that we're probably going to lose.  Any other interesting games on this weekend?

We were saying that two weeks ago too

AND - IT - WORKED! Wink


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Post by GunsGermsV2 Thu 17 Nov 2016, 2:20 pm

15. Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster) 70
14. Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster) 67
13. Jared Payne (Ulster) 17
12. Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Leinster) 23
11. Simon Zebo (Cork Constitution/Munster) 26
10. Johnny Sexton (St Mary's College/Leinster) 62
9. Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 51
1. Jack McGrath (St. Mary's College/Leinster) 34
2. Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster) 98 (c)
3. Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) 9
4. Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster) 42
5. Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster) 40
6. CJ Stander (Munster) 8
7. Sean O'Brien (UCD/Leinster) 43
8. Jamie Heaslip (Dublin University/Leinster) 89 (v/c)

Replacements
16. Sean Cronin (St Mary's College/Leinster) 54
17. Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 60
18. Finlay Bealham (Buccaneers/Connacht) 4
19. Iain Henderson (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 26
20. Josh van der Flier (UCD/Leinster) 3
21. Kieran Marmion (Galway Corinthians/Connacht) 7
22. Paddy Jackson (Dungannon/Ulster) 17
23. Garry Ringrose (UCD/Leinster)

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Post by marty2086 Thu 17 Nov 2016, 2:21 pm

SOB? Really? Shocked

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Post by The Great Aukster Thu 17 Nov 2016, 2:21 pm

rapidsnowman wrote:The BIG question is how do we respond to the haka?  Wink

The number 8 formation was inspired, but what now?

World Rugby have ruled on this issue in the past and dictated that there should never be ANY response to the Haka. The No.8 formation was obviously a special case that hopefully WR were sensitive to and let slide. This weekend normal service will be resumed where Ireland will be expected to stand motionless to accompany an expression of deference and awe at the AB party piece.

Chicago was the only time the ABs have ever performed the Kapa O Pango version against Ireland as it's reserved for opponents they respect, so that was an exceptional tribute to Axel. It will be interesting to see if they use it again in Dublin or revert to their normal Ka Mate (lest Ireland start to get above their station)?

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Post by GunsGermsV2 Thu 17 Nov 2016, 2:23 pm

No Dillane or POM. More or less as expected though.

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Post by GunsGermsV2 Thu 17 Nov 2016, 2:23 pm

The Great Aukster wrote:
rapidsnowman wrote:The BIG question is how do we respond to the haka?  Wink

The number 8 formation was inspired, but what now?

World Rugby have ruled on this issue in the past and dictated that there should never be ANY response to the Haka. The No.8 formation was obviously a special case that hopefully WR were sensitive to and let slide. This weekend normal service will be resumed where Ireland will be expected to stand motionless to accompany an expression of deference and awe at the AB party piece.

Chicago was the only time the ABs have ever performed the Kapa O Pango version against Ireland as it's reserved for opponents they respect, so that was an exceptional tribute to Axel. It will be interesting to see if they use it again in Dublin or revert to their normal Ka Mate (lest Ireland start to get above their station)?

Im pretty sure it isnt the first time they have performed Kapo O Pango v Ireland.

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Post by The Great Aukster Thu 17 Nov 2016, 2:25 pm

SOB was further along the fitness trail than POM, but Henderson rather than Dillane is a surprise.

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Post by The Great Aukster Thu 17 Nov 2016, 2:26 pm

GunsGermsV2 wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:
rapidsnowman wrote:The BIG question is how do we respond to the haka?  Wink

The number 8 formation was inspired, but what now?

World Rugby have ruled on this issue in the past and dictated that there should never be ANY response to the Haka. The No.8 formation was obviously a special case that hopefully WR were sensitive to and let slide. This weekend normal service will be resumed where Ireland will be expected to stand motionless to accompany an expression of deference and awe at the AB party piece.

Chicago was the only time the ABs have ever performed the Kapa O Pango version against Ireland as it's reserved for opponents they respect, so that was an exceptional tribute to Axel. It will be interesting to see if they use it again in Dublin or revert to their normal Ka Mate (lest Ireland start to get above their station)?

Im pretty sure it isnt the first time they have performed Kapo O Pango v Ireland.

Any idea when?

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Post by GunsGermsV2 Thu 17 Nov 2016, 2:28 pm

Ali Williams lead one v Ireland. 2009 maybe? Actually just looked it up it was '08 in Croke park. Im pretty sure they have done it on other occasions too.


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Post by marty2086 Thu 17 Nov 2016, 2:30 pm

The Great Aukster wrote:SOB was further along the fitness trail than POM, but Henderson rather than Dillane is a surprise.

Pretty much said last week that if Henderson was fit he would be involved though I expected Dillane or Henderson to start

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Post by GunsGermsV2 Thu 17 Nov 2016, 2:33 pm

The Great Aukster wrote:SOB was further along the fitness trail than POM, but Henderson rather than Dillane is a surprise.

It is an odd one. It must be for some tactical reason.

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Post by SecretFly Thu 17 Nov 2016, 2:48 pm

All I want now from O'Brien is to accept that Joe chose him - use the choosing to take the edge off that still-evident inner rage of frustration. You don't have to try to be the absolute hero of the day. It's a team game. Keep a lid on the wild stuff that has frequently gotten you injured or carded. Don't over-reach. Don't lose the cool over something minor. Keep your temper in check and by no means pick up a bloody card.

If you pick up a card, I'd be knocking you bluntly off the Australia game and the damn 6N roster too. Stop fighting your way back into primary spot on the side, play your way back in.

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Post by rodders Thu 17 Nov 2016, 3:00 pm

GunsGermsV2 wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:SOB was further along the fitness trail than POM, but Henderson rather than Dillane is a surprise.

It is an odd one. It must be for some tactical reason.

Presumably with VDF on the bench covering 7, Hendo gives cover at 6 and an extra line out option at the tail.

Ryan has looked impressive so deserves to retain his place alongside Toner, it's tough on Dillane who's been awesome but he's featured twice and could start against the Wallabies.
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Post by wolfball Thu 17 Nov 2016, 3:10 pm

From the press conference, Joe said Dillane, Earls and POM didn't complete training this week due to various levels of injury.

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Post by wolfball Thu 17 Nov 2016, 3:19 pm

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The Great Aukster wrote:SOB was further along the fitness trail than POM, but Henderson rather than Dillane is a surprise.

It is an odd one. It must be for some tactical reason.

Presumably with VDF on the bench covering 7, Hendo gives cover at 6 and an extra line out option at the tail.

Ryan has looked impressive so deserves to retain his place alongside Toner, it's tough on Dillane who's been awesome but he's featured twice and could start against the Wallabies.

Henderson and SOB are the two players I will be watching closest. Both have seemed over-egged in recent matches, the intensity not controlled enough, and our low penalty count is so important against the ABs. We will also miss VDFs tackle everything attitude (expect Heaslip to play that role more with SOB/Stander carrying). Both are game changers on their day though; if they play well we will be within a score, if not, I think we will struggle.

Rob was always likely to be picked at FB, but I would love to see TOH get a shot for a few matches in the 6 nations (or even Australia)

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Post by brennomac Thu 17 Nov 2016, 3:48 pm

In Chicago we gave away only 4 penalties the whole match. I love SOB but he can be a penalty machine and keeping our discipline again is going to be massive. Imagine Joe will have words in his ear about keeping his cool.

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Post by SecretFly Thu 17 Nov 2016, 3:50 pm

I assume the starters and then the bench is a design to balance defend + attack as much as possible in the first half when everyone seems to believe the ABs are going to try to win this game in that first half this time.
There is a growing feeling that they stood a little off us last first half because they didn't expect us to be able to stay in the second with the pace they'd add.

So now it might look like a chase game from us in the second, when the ABs might want to settle and defend some of what they might have gained in the first.  Healy, Cronin, VDF, Henderson, Ringrose...guys like that might have the bulk of the winning of this game.  
There are no excess baggage players anymore - the subs are as vital to a game like this as the starters.

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Post by marty2086 Thu 17 Nov 2016, 4:29 pm

SecretFly wrote:I assume the starters and then the bench is a design to balance defend + attack as much as possible in the first half when everyone seems to believe the ABs are going to try to win this game in that first half this time.
There is a growing feeling that they stood a little off us last first half because they didn't expect us to be able to stay in the second with the pace they'd add.

So now it might look like a chase game from us in the second, when the ABs might want to settle and defend some of what they might have gained in the first.  Healy, Cronin, VDF, Henderson, Ringrose...guys like that might have the bulk of the winning of this game.  
There are no excess baggage players anymore - the subs are as vital to a game like this as the starters.

I think Ireland need to use drop goals early on to counter NZ if the opportunity arises it keeps the scoreboard ticking over but gives them something else to think about

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Post by wolfball Thu 17 Nov 2016, 5:48 pm

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SecretFly wrote:I assume the starters and then the bench is a design to balance defend + attack as much as possible in the first half when everyone seems to believe the ABs are going to try to win this game in that first half this time.
There is a growing feeling that they stood a little off us last first half because they didn't expect us to be able to stay in the second with the pace they'd add.

So now it might look like a chase game from us in the second, when the ABs might want to settle and defend some of what they might have gained in the first.  Healy, Cronin, VDF, Henderson, Ringrose...guys like that might have the bulk of the winning of this game.  
There are no excess baggage players anymore - the subs are as vital to a game like this as the starters.

I think Ireland need to use drop goals early on to counter NZ if the opportunity arises it keeps the scoreboard ticking over but gives them something else to think about

I really think some team (maybe at province/club level) will start to treat dropgoals seriously as their prime way of scoring. Currently its nearly always either a half hearted attempt because a couple of attacks go no where or a last minute due or die. I could see a team with a 10 with great drop goal skills using their pack to get to just outside the 22 and drop goaling from there. I don't think Ireland or Sexton are that team though.

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Post by SecretFly Thu 17 Nov 2016, 5:59 pm

Kearney once dropped goals from the halfway line.  

I'm not so sure how important drop goals would be as if we're close enough to be trying to keep in the game or keep ahead by using them then we actually might be playing well enough not to need them.

I'm personally not a fan of drop goals.  I know other people are but I ..... I just don't like the nature of them - something unsporting about them "We can't get in because your defence is too good, but we'll keep tapping in these things anyway to torture you"

All part of the games and by the rules legit - but I've never been a fan in general.  However, if we win the game using one, I'll still accept the result Wink


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