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Post by No9 Tue 15 Nov 2016, 1:22 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/37988826

I'm actually behind this, think Ireland would be a brilliant place to host a Rugby World Cup..

But is this going to be a bit of an embarrassment to the IRFU, when they'll have to consider playing the final at Croke Park with its 82,300 capacity against the relatively small 51,700 of the Aviva.

I know there's potential to extend the Aviva, but I believe it was held at 52k due to planning constraints in the mainly residential area, with concern about blocking out the light.

So, as I said. Ireland for a RWC is a fantastic prospect, with a final in Dublin, but anyone know if they can/will extend the Aviva on the back of this proposal, or is it likely to move to Croke if the GAA will play ball.

Thoughts.

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Post by Sin é Tue 15 Nov 2016, 1:55 pm

Here is the video bid. Seemingly Liam Neeson gave his services free.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_8EWvc3eWA
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Post by Sin é Tue 15 Nov 2016, 1:56 pm

No 9, Croke Park will be used for the final and I don't think anyone is embarrased about using it!

Aviva can't be extended. There is a railway line at that end preventing it.
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Post by funnyExiledScot Tue 15 Nov 2016, 2:04 pm

Good luck to you. I hope Ireland get it.

p.s. The Millennium will get its usual share of World Cup games right??

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Post by SecretFly Tue 15 Nov 2016, 2:06 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:Good luck to you. I hope Ireland get it.

p.s. The Millennium will get its usual share of World Cup games right??

Well yeah, The Millennium Stadium was on that now ancient contract.................. so no, The Principality Stadium won't get any games Wink

Don't blame us folks, it's all in the wording. Whistle

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Post by Pete330v2 Tue 15 Nov 2016, 2:08 pm

I can't imagine why the IRFU would be embarrassed to use Croker, they never were in the past. In my opinion it's a far better arena than the Aviva, a terribly designed stadium that I'd be much more embarrassed about if I were the IRFU.

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Post by No9 Tue 15 Nov 2016, 2:08 pm

Sin é wrote:No 9, Croke Park will be used for the final and I don't think anyone is embarrased about using it!

Aviva can't be extended. There is a railway line at that end preventing it.

I know of the railway line.. I was referring to the "low" stand behind the posts with the lovely glass back, which I was told, had to be glass and couldn't be seating (any higher) as it impeded light to the houses behind it, and hence was a building reg.

Maybe "embarrassed" was the wrong word, but I'm sure the IRFU would rather the final be at their home, ie the Aviva and not Croke.

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Post by No9 Tue 15 Nov 2016, 2:10 pm

Think we are in agreement about Ireland should have the 2023 RWC though.. guinness OK Smile

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Post by SecretFly Tue 15 Nov 2016, 2:12 pm

The video looks good but then, it's only a video.  I hope the IRFU sustain the idea that Ireland, by virtue of its size and its party inclined people, can be an intense, enjoyable experience for visiting fans from all over the World.  Few host countries in the past could hope to situate all fans so relatively close together, and that can only enhance the idea of the World Cup being one big unified show with all fans communicating and passing each other in close proximity across the island.


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Post by SecretFly Tue 15 Nov 2016, 2:15 pm

No9 wrote:
Sin é wrote:No 9, Croke Park will be used for the final and I don't think anyone is embarrased about using it!

Aviva can't be extended. There is a railway line at that end preventing it.

I know of the railway line.. I was referring to the "low" stand behind the posts with the lovely glass back, which I was told, had to be glass and couldn't be seating (any higher) as it impeded light to the houses behind it, and hence was a building reg.

Maybe "embarrassed" was the wrong word, but I'm sure the IRFU would rather the final be at their home, ie the Aviva and not Croke.

I was a little disappointed when I heard the capacity of new Lansdowne stadium. But I have to admit, I've fallen in love with it as it is - high glass wall and all. There is something warm, and glasshousey, and floral about its image that makes it a soft and cosy little very green space in the city.

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Post by Cyril Tue 15 Nov 2016, 2:41 pm

Will the Garth Brooks fiasco of 2014 stand against them?

I think I'd have to favour France or SA after that.

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Post by SecretFly Tue 15 Nov 2016, 2:47 pm

Cyril wrote:Will the Garth Brooks fiasco of 2014 stand against them?

I think I'd have to favour France or SA after that.

Yeah, World Rugby wasn't best pleased that Garth was snubbed like that. But hopefully a few cans of cider and a some pizza was enough of a peace offering to appease the Lords of the World Cup manor.

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Post by Cyril Tue 15 Nov 2016, 2:52 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Cyril wrote:Will the Garth Brooks fiasco of 2014 stand against them?

I think I'd have to favour France or SA after that.

Yeah, World Rugby wasn't best pleased that Garth was snubbed like that.  But hopefully a few cans of cider and a some pizza was enough of a peace offering to appease the Lords of the World Cup manor.
Apparently Ireland have lost both the Country and Western votes Sad

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Post by SecretFly Tue 15 Nov 2016, 3:02 pm

Garth got run outta town 'causin' he a din-o-saur of our past.
We is Cityfied now, mostly - and we got no time for cowboy folks whailin' about no sad dog on no porch or no empty bed with tears on no Damn pillows!

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Post by rodders Tue 15 Nov 2016, 3:11 pm

Ireland hosting a RWC??

The place has totally lost the run of itself since that Mcgregor fella came along.
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Post by wolfball Tue 15 Nov 2016, 4:08 pm

rodders wrote:Ireland hosting a RWC??

The place has totally lost the run of itself since that Mcgregor fella came along.

After the amount of irish who showed up for the fight, Madison Square Garden can be part of our RWC bid Whistle

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Post by George Carlin Tue 15 Nov 2016, 4:09 pm

What a laff. I will come. I'll have died from alcohol poisoning before the Group Stages are over. 

The 2015 RWC used 13 separate stadia and had 41 separate team bases. 

Do you have that?
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Post by wolfball Tue 15 Nov 2016, 4:10 pm

Sin é wrote:Here is the video bid. Seemingly Liam Neeson gave his services free.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_8EWvc3eWA

top comment on the video on youtube

"Worldy world world? Absolutely. World. But world worldy world? I thought as world."

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Post by SecretFly Tue 15 Nov 2016, 4:21 pm

George Carlin wrote:What a laff. I will come. I'll have died from alcohol poisoning before the Group Stages are over. 

The 2015 RWC used 13 separate stadia and had 41 separate team bases. 

Do you have that?

Well we'll only have 10 team bases - but they're all fully intersexual, so plenty of room for all in the 10 deck bunk-beds.

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Post by Cyril Tue 15 Nov 2016, 4:26 pm

rodders wrote:Ireland hosting a RWC??

The place has totally lost the run of itself since that Mcgregor fella came along.
Who is McGregor?

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Post by GunsGermsV2 Tue 15 Nov 2016, 4:47 pm

The IRFU wants world rugby's permission to use terraces for all Gaelic grounds. I wonder would that scupper an otherwise strong bid.

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Post by SecretFly Tue 15 Nov 2016, 4:52 pm

Cyril wrote:
rodders wrote:Ireland hosting a RWC??

The place has totally lost the run of itself since that Mcgregor fella came along.
Who is McGregor?

The Head of the Irish Bidding Delegation. He always goes into the negotiating room first to make a good first impression.

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Post by GunsGermsV2 Tue 15 Nov 2016, 4:55 pm

McGregor will hopefully be bring his own event to Croke Park.

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Post by rodders Tue 15 Nov 2016, 5:00 pm

The Maclife.com, in partnership with the IRB, present the RWC final 2023.

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Post by wolfball Tue 15 Nov 2016, 5:10 pm

If you avg stadium size across the 12 for each RWC vs the irish bid, Ireland's bid is about average (38,000). Now that doesn't mean total tickets sold are comparable as we don't know which matches will be where, but I think we can put to rest the idea that Ireland doesn't have at least the Avg RWC required stadia.

NZ 2011 - Avg Stadium 28,400
EN 2015 - Avg Stadium 50,300
JA 2019 - Avg Stadium 37,800
IRE 2023 - Avg Stadium 37,100



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Post by George Carlin Tue 15 Nov 2016, 5:34 pm

Cyril wrote:
rodders wrote:Ireland hosting a RWC??

The place has totally lost the run of itself since that Mcgregor fella came along.
Who is McGregor?
I assumed that you meant someone else:
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Post by Pot Hale Tue 15 Nov 2016, 11:02 pm

wolfball wrote:If you avg stadium size across the 12 for each RWC vs the irish bid, Ireland's bid is about average (38,000). Now that doesn't mean total tickets sold are comparable as we don't know which matches will be where, but I think we can put to rest the idea that Ireland doesn't have at least the Avg RWC required stadia.

NZ 2011 - Avg Stadium 28,400
EN 2015 - Avg Stadium 50,300
JA 2019 - Avg Stadium 37,800
IRE 2023 - Avg Stadium 37,100



The 12 will be whittled down to 9 or 10. The 12 announced are the long list. It's easy to see that the 12 are dotted around the coastline - Athlone is a desert. the potential fly in the ointment is the progress on Casement Park and getting planning approval from local community. If Belfast as the second major metropolitan area with hotels, facilities, etc only has 18k Ravenhill that might put a dent in things. One presumes the home city of each province will be make the final list - Dublin is obvious, Pearse Stadium in Galway for Connacht might have a few question marks. Nowlan Park in Kilkenny covers off the south east so it's likely to make it through. Fitzgerald Stadium in Killarney is a high profile tourist spot with plenty of accommodation, but Thomond and Pairc Ui Chamoimh may be deemed enough for Munster.

The world video is a bit aimless but it's just the start phase of a year long pitch/campaign. Let's see how things go.
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Post by GunsGermsV2 Wed 16 Nov 2016, 9:02 am

Agree with the video. I liked it but it is a bit vague. Bord Failte should help with that, they make great videos.

It is a shame that there are no plans for a new stadium for Connacht rugby in the mix. They could do with a nice new 18k seater in the city.

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Post by rapidsnowman Wed 16 Nov 2016, 9:14 am

What's with GunsGermsV2 ?

Is this explained on another thread?

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Post by GunsGermsV2 Wed 16 Nov 2016, 9:33 am

rapidsnowman wrote:What's with GunsGermsV2 ?

Is this explained on another thread?

V1 was banned for referencing feminine products in an "abusive" manner. It was a soft ban but there you go.

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I know. Be careful, they are watching.

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Do you think your new persona will have them fooled?

I saw straight through it, but then I would be one of the sharper ones in my village Cool

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Post by rodders Wed 16 Nov 2016, 10:04 am

Hey that new guy sure looks familiar....
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Post by GunsGermsV2 Wed 16 Nov 2016, 10:43 am

rodders wrote:Hey that new guy sure looks familiar....

Hi Rodders. Are you from Belfast? Going to UFC Belfast on Saturday. Any tips for cool bars/nightclubs.

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Post by BamBam Wed 16 Nov 2016, 10:52 am

GunsGermsV2 wrote:
rapidsnowman wrote:What's with GunsGermsV2 ?

Is this explained on another thread?

V1 was banned for referencing feminine products in an "abusive" manner. It was a soft ban but there you go.

It was actually that?

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Post by GunsGermsV2 Wed 16 Nov 2016, 11:00 am

Yeah. I assume it was. I dont know though, no warning nothing, you just get a message when you try to log in that you were banned for personal abuse. Its a bit of an odd one as I responding with a bit of friendly fire to someone calling me ignorant. It clearly upset someone.

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Post by rodders Wed 16 Nov 2016, 11:02 am

GunsGermsV2 wrote:
rodders wrote:Hey that new guy sure looks familiar....

Hi Rodders. Are you from Belfast? Going to UFC Belfast on Saturday. Any tips for cool bars/nightclubs.

No I'm not but the duke of york is a nice spot - http://dukeofyorkbelfast.com/

There's plenty of places around the botanic area.

The UFC is at the Odyssey?
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Post by GunsGermsV2 Wed 16 Nov 2016, 11:03 am

Yeah it is. Very weak card though. Thank for that.

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Post by rodders Wed 16 Nov 2016, 11:07 am

GunsGermsV2 wrote:Yeah it is. Very weak card though. Thank for that.

NP some of the Belfast folks on here might have better suggestions.

The German beer tent might here be the ticket for pre fight refreshments -

http://www.christmasmarkets.com/individual-christmas-market/belfast-christmas-market-2/
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Post by GunsGermsV2 Wed 16 Nov 2016, 11:09 am

Pre fight refreshments we will defo need a pub to watch the Ireland v NZ game. That market looks good though.

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Post by marty2086 Wed 16 Nov 2016, 11:54 am

GunsGermsV2 wrote:Pre fight refreshments we will defo need a pub to watch the Ireland v NZ game. That market looks good though.

Laverys may be the ticket then for the rugby before hand or if you are looking for somewhere closer to the Odyssey the Cloth Ear

If you fancy a bus journey this may be the place for you afterwards, if not then Duke of York or other bars around it like the Harp should do the job for you Ireland to bid for 2023 World Cup Mcg10

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Post by GunsGermsV2 Wed 16 Nov 2016, 11:54 am

Thanks Marty that is very useful info.

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Post by SecretFly Wed 16 Nov 2016, 12:02 pm

GunsGermsV2 wrote:Yeah. I assume it was. I dont know though, no warning nothing, you just get a message when you try to log in that you were banned for personal abuse. Its a bit of an odd one as I responding with a bit of friendly fire to someone calling me ignorant. It clearly upset someone.

So we're not likely to see Trump come into 606 to personally thank some of us for backing his ticket?  

That's a bit of a disgrace really and I feel my 606 rights are close to being infringed now if he gets banned from turning up.

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Post by Sin é Wed 16 Nov 2016, 12:05 pm

SecretFly wrote:
GunsGermsV2 wrote:Yeah. I assume it was. I dont know though, no warning nothing, you just get a message when you try to log in that you were banned for personal abuse. Its a bit of an odd one as I responding with a bit of friendly fire to someone calling me ignorant. It clearly upset someone.

So we're not likely to see Trump come into 606 to personally thank some of us for backing his ticket?  

That's a bit of a disgrace really and I feel my 606 rights are close to being infringed now if he gets banned from turning up.

You can always Flexit in protest. Don't be looking for FoM on 606 when you flounce though !
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Post by SecretFly Wed 16 Nov 2016, 12:09 pm

Sin é wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
GunsGermsV2 wrote:Yeah. I assume it was. I dont know though, no warning nothing, you just get a message when you try to log in that you were banned for personal abuse. Its a bit of an odd one as I responding with a bit of friendly fire to someone calling me ignorant. It clearly upset someone.

So we're not likely to see Trump come into 606 to personally thank some of us for backing his ticket?  

That's a bit of a disgrace really and I feel my 606 rights are close to being infringed now if he gets banned from turning up.

You can always Flexit in protest. Don't be looking for FoM on 606 when you flounce though !

Jesus, I always get into trouble with these Twitterite shorthand things. FoM? Let me see?....... Sounds like?

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Post by SecretFly Wed 16 Nov 2016, 12:21 pm

The very threesome I was thinking of....

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Post by marty2086 Wed 16 Nov 2016, 12:22 pm

Pot Hale wrote:
wolfball wrote:If you avg stadium size across the 12 for each RWC vs the irish bid, Ireland's bid is about average (38,000). Now that doesn't mean total tickets sold are comparable as we don't know which matches will be where, but I think we can put to rest the idea that Ireland doesn't have at least the Avg RWC required stadia.

NZ 2011 - Avg Stadium 28,400
EN 2015 - Avg Stadium 50,300
JA 2019 - Avg Stadium 37,800
IRE 2023 - Avg Stadium 37,100



The 12 will be whittled down to 9 or 10.  The 12 announced are the long list.  It's easy to see that the 12 are dotted around the coastline - Athlone is a desert.   the potential fly in the ointment is the progress on Casement Park and getting planning approval from local community.   If Belfast as the second major metropolitan area with hotels, facilities, etc only has 18k Ravenhill that might put a dent in things.    One presumes the home city of each province will be make the final list - Dublin is obvious, Pearse Stadium in Galway for Connacht might have a few question marks.   Nowlan Park in Kilkenny covers off the south east so it's likely to make it through.   Fitzgerald Stadium in Killarney is a high profile tourist spot with plenty of accommodation, but Thomond and Pairc Ui Chamoimh may be deemed enough for Munster.

The world video is a bit aimless but it's just the start phase of a year long pitch/campaign.  Let's see how things go.

Casement Park has passed Phase 1 of the local consultation and is into Phase 2 now with the new plans and design announced but it seems some local residents simply don't want it. Regardless of improved designs, transport changes etc its just something they don't want but it seems it will go ahead

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Post by SecretFly Wed 16 Nov 2016, 12:36 pm

marty2086 wrote:

Casement Park has passed Phase 1 of the local consultation and is into Phase 2 now with the new plans and design announced but it seems some local residents simply don't want it. Regardless of improved designs, transport changes etc its just something they don't want but it seems it will go ahead

Any publically leaked reasons why they don't want it? Is it a case that some of them want to be able to watch GAA games without leaving their top floor bedrooms?

Ok, I'm being flippant but only partially. Any reasons given why the locals are against the development?

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