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Post by kwinigolfer on Wed 16 Nov 2016, 3:27 pm

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1).That's where we are this week, for the second week running after Mayakoba's beachside beauty - which is no way to describe winner Pat Perez. Quite the return from injury for Perez, long regarded as one of the Tour's premier "ball strikers" - if he was anywhere close as good between the ears as he is with his irons, he'd win five times a year, said Johnny Miller, or words to that effect anyway. Almost a shame he won as his combustible self-destruction act is quite something to behold.
And he's the third Mayakoba winner in a row to break a victory drought following Charley Hoffman and Graeme McDowell.

2).We travel this week to the Golden Isles of Georgia and the two courses that make up the venue for the RSM (formerly McGladrey) Classic. 18 holes each at the Plantation Course and Seaside Course, then 36 weekend holes at Seaside - a Harry Colt design originally, and a beautiful setting which will be graced by equally beautiful weather. These "Isles" are popular destinations for Tour players to live and practice, led by Davis Love and joined by Kuchar, Zach Johnson and several others.

3).A lot has happened in the past ten days. Obviously.
We all know the Ugly (not to say vulgar, racist, misogynistic, isolationist) which evolved into the Bad (very bad, tremendously bad), and was roundly welcomed by Pros from all US Tours and broadcast booths.
But there's been some good as well, in the world of Golf at least.

4).With impeccable timing, the Rolex Series for the European Tour was introduced, with the promise of at least one more tournament (France?) to be added to the seven already announced. Not sure we know all the details yet, and the ramifications for PGA Tour members (including South Africans) have yet to be established, but this can't be anything other than terrific news for the E.T.

5).Don't know whether this is good or what, but the reformatting of the Zurich Classic in New Orleans next April seems to beg more questions than it answers, not least any rationale surrounding owgr points (it seems none will be awarded) and how they're going to fill the field. And at a venue, New Orleans, that often experiences an untimely monsoon season to coincide with the tournament, how are they going to manage 160 golfers playing four-balls on the Friday?

6).Meanwhile, the LPGA seems interested in acquiring the Ladies European Tour and using it as feeder for its own Tour. Not sure how that will go down.

7).More positive news for European Seniors is that its new "Head" man, Dave McLaren, is laying out plans to increase the number of tournaments and raise prize money, hopefully within a couple of years. Don't expect Europe's Seniors to reach the kind of wealth that Bernhard Langer has achieved on the Champions Tour (almost $21M and counting), but anything to achieve stability would be welcomed. Meanwhile, the likes of Barry Lane and Van der Velde are competing here in Champions Tour Q-School (both leading in their respective venues after Round 1), hoping to join the likes of Langer, Montgomerie, Mechanic, Broadhurst, Woosie, Lyle and, when he feels fit to compete, Olazabal.

8).This time last year, Graeme McDowell travelled to the Seaside with a Mayakoba win under his belt and proceeded to finish third. Strange, then, that's he's not in this week's field, especially disappointing after three superb rounds last week. Luke Donald will be playing, trying to emerge from the wreckage of his career - a couple of runner-up finishes last year but nothing to suggest he'll be back at the top anytime soon. But these courses might suit him.

9).It's a sad commentary on the state of Australian Golf that last year's Aussie Open Champ, Matt Jones, is playing the RSM/McGladrey rather than defending his title. Admittedly he needs all the starts he can get after mysteriously taking last season just easy enough that he narrowly lost his card, but really . . . . . . . .

10).No PGA Tour action next week, even though Thanksgiving has been postponed in most US homes for four years. There IS a World Cup in Australia, plus Champions Tour and web.com Q-Schools in the next three weeks, but the Ballwasher is pretty clogged up with fallen leaves and season-ending debris, so only sporadic musings until January. Merry Christmas!

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Post by robopz on Sat 10 Dec 2016, 6:44 pm

GPB wrote:Wonder if it is a coincidence that Norman is attempting his latest coup after Tim Finchem retired.

He still better be carrying a pretty big stick.
Yeah... I don't know what Norman's rather cryptic comments mean... but agree if it's a coup he has in mind, then he better be carrying a REALLY, REALLY big stick... Not sure I see the USGA, R&A, PGA of America or especially the PGA Tour being organizations that react all that well to "being given no choice" to do anything. So if it's something like that, he better have some huge names in the fold (and a bunch of them) before ever making the first move.

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Post by pedro on Sat 10 Dec 2016, 7:26 pm

robopz wrote:Sounds like Greg Norman has some double secret plan (with Verizon as a partner) to take over world golf again... supposed to be revealed next spring... and supposedly something the PGAT, PGA of A, USGA, R&A are going to be "forced' to go along with.... "We’re going to shatter it. The institutions (USGA, R&A, PGA of America, PGA Tour) will eventually buy into it because they will have to buy into it. They won’t have a choice."  
...and he'll probably have the Mexicans pay for it..

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Post by robopz on Sat 10 Dec 2016, 8:36 pm

pedro wrote:
robopz wrote:Sounds like Greg Norman has some double secret plan (with Verizon as a partner) to take over world golf again... supposed to be revealed next spring... and supposedly something the PGAT, PGA of A, USGA, R&A are going to be "forced' to go along with.... "We’re going to shatter it. The institutions (USGA, R&A, PGA of America, PGA Tour) will eventually buy into it because they will have to buy into it. They won’t have a choice."  
...and he'll probably have the Mexicans pay for it..
If he can... and in the process that pisses off the tea drinking, crumpet munching, laughably yet wrongly self assured in their superiority, whiny cry baby liberal open border socialists... then more power to him.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sat 10 Dec 2016, 10:20 pm

Hey, I don't drink tea. And how dare you characterize the way I nibble my crumpet.

We are a "sanctuary city" and it's going to be interesting to see what penalties, if any, the Gov't applies.

Whatever, there are lots of partial remedies which might contribute to a far better solution than building a wall.


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Post by McLaren on Sat 10 Dec 2016, 10:20 pm

robopz wrote:
pedro wrote:
robopz wrote:Sounds like Greg Norman has some double secret plan (with Verizon as a partner) to take over world golf again... supposed to be revealed next spring... and supposedly something the PGAT, PGA of A, USGA, R&A are going to be "forced' to go along with.... "We’re going to shatter it. The institutions (USGA, R&A, PGA of America, PGA Tour) will eventually buy into it because they will have to buy into it. They won’t have a choice."  
...and he'll probably have the Mexicans pay for it..
If he can... and in the process that pisses off the tea drinking, crumpet munching, laughably yet wrongly self assured in their superiority, whiny cry baby liberal open border socialists... then more power to him.

Has Trumps Twitter account hijacked Robo's v2 account? :shock:
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Post by GPB on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 12:13 am

Little John Daly surprised me.  I wasn't expecting to like him ( I don't like Daly), but his c*ckiness was somewhat endearing.  He hit some really good pitch shots.

Tough watching Jack hobble around the golf course like the old man that he is.  I guess his two youngest sons (Steve & Michael) don't play golf very well because they have never played with Jack in this event.

Ernie Els Tweeted wrote:little John Daly one of the best swings i have ever seen!!

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Post by robopz on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 11:20 am

McLaren wrote:Has Trumps Twitter account hijacked Robo's v2 account? Shocked
Just thought I'd try ONE post that stupidly mixed politics with golf to see if I could make a point... but I guess I aimed way too far over everyone's head.... Whistle

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Post by McLaren on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 11:27 am

Robo

You forgot to put Rev before some ridiculous name. Wink
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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 12:47 pm

robopz wrote:
McLaren wrote:Has Trumps Twitter account hijacked Robo's v2 account? Shocked
Just thought I'd try ONE post that stupidly mixed politics with golf to see if I could make a point...   but I guess I aimed way too far over everyone's head.... Whistle

???????? Erm

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Post by robopz on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 2:25 pm

McLaren wrote:Robo

You forgot to put Rev before some ridiculous name.  Wink
Dang it... I knew I messed that one up. Very Happy

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 8:37 pm

Nice pics on the other thread robo; those extra 30 lbs don't suit Jacklin one little bit.

No web.com Q-School heroics from our two VT'ers, hopefully they'll squeak into a handful of events.
But round of the week by Jim Renner and fittingly he gets the "W" - less than three years after he runnered up at Pebble Beach.

It seems there's a European or two coming off the US Collegiate production line every year and England's Ben Taylor earned himself a high priority with a fine final round. We'll be hearing more from him. And David Skinns should get into events at the start of the year.

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Post by pedro on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 10:12 pm

How good is Little John Daly! Wow.

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Post by super_realist on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 7:45 am

kwinigolfer wrote:Nice pics on the other thread robo; those extra 30 lbs don't suit Jacklin one little bit.

No web.com Q-School heroics from our two VT'ers, hopefully they'll squeak into a handful of events.
But round of the week by Jim Renner and fittingly he gets the "W" - less than three years after he runnered up at Pebble Beach.

It seems there's a European or two coming off the US Collegiate production line every year and England's Ben Taylor earned himself a high priority with a fine final round. We'll be hearing more from him. And David Skinns should get into events at the start of the year.

Jacklin doesn't look well at all, thought so for many years.


Will John Daly's son be known as John Daly II in typical unimaginative American fashion of using the same name for father/son etc?

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Post by Davie on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 9:02 am

I thought they usually used Snr. and Jnr. when only two of them. The roman numerals only come in after two like Chuckie three sticks and DLIII

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Post by super_realist on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 9:37 am

Not sure what's worse being called Chesson, Webb, Tiger or Boo or having your name ending with a roman numeral.

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Post by beninho on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 9:57 am

I doubt you will find many people actually called Webb,Tiger or even Boo. Chesson though is not a name I would choose for my child. Though I did choose the same name as Boo. I also dont think I would name my son after myself and therefore need roman numerals, but each to their own!

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Post by pedro on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 9:57 am

super_realist wrote:Not sure what's worse being called Chesson, Webb, Tiger or Boo or having your name ending with a roman numeral.
It depends whether you're royal or not.

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Post by pedro on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 9:58 am

Keep Little John away from unhealthy food (too late?) and booze and he could be a wife world beater..

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Post by Shotrock on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 1:31 pm

"In the middle second quarter of next year, I'll invite you guys down to my office. We will tell you exactly how we're going to break this cast iron that's been wrapped around golf for so long. We're going to shatter it. The institutions (USGA, R&A, PGA of America, PGA Tour) will eventually buy into it because they will have to buy into it. They won't have a choice," Norman told reporters last month at the unveiling of his latest design, the Greg Norman Signature Course at Vidanta Neuvo Vallarta, Mexico.

Man, how can you not love Greg "the ego" Norman? What energy and bombast.

Now, let's see how he actually wrestles the TV money/viewership away from the likes of the US Tour. Game on.

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Post by super_realist on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 1:37 pm

What is he proposing SR? Some sort of World Tour?

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Post by Shotrock on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 1:39 pm

It's anyone's guess Super.

I've heard some suggest a year round world wide team event of sorts, but that's just speculation.


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Post by super_realist on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 2:06 pm

Do you think he could convince the homebody Yanks to travel more extensively? I'm not sure.

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Post by Shotrock on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 2:07 pm

Money talks to a large degree Super, so he better bring plenty of that.


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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 2:12 pm

I would imagine that anything Greg Norman-ish would be in partnership with David Hill and possibly Packer or Murdoch money.
At the very least I'd think Packer (Senior more than Junior) would be the inspiration behind whatever he's up to.

EDIT: Also interesting that the European Tour is not mentioned among those golfing "institutions". Presumably because he considers it a minor league irrelevance, or just perhaps that he's in cahoots with Pelley to shake things up. Either way, Norman has had one go and become a bit of a laughing stock; fail twice and he'd never live it down, be back to juggling chainsaws.

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Post by GPB on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 2:45 pm

Still the infatuation with American names that don't with traditional "WASPy" or lest I say "Biblical" naming convention.

Apparently the Anglo-Saxons still think their loss in the Revolutionary War ~240 years gives them the right to snark about the American culture evolving to something different from the English Culture.

Much like the English Language, we didn't invent the traditional Anglo-Saxon names, we perfected it.

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Post by Davie on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 2:50 pm

GPB wrote:

Much like the English Language, we didn't invent the traditional Anglo-Saxon names, we perfected it.

Trolling of the highest order

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Post by super_realist on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 3:04 pm

GPB wrote:Still the infatuation with American names that don't with traditional "WASPy" or lest I say "Biblical" naming convention.

Apparently the Anglo-Saxons still think their loss in the Revolutionary War ~240 years gives them the right to snark about the American culture evolving to something different from the English Culture.

Much like the English Language, we didn't invent the traditional Anglo-Saxon names, we perfected it.

There is no biblical naming convention.

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Post by robopz on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 4:08 pm

Web.com Tour Schedule is out

26 Events - Up from 25 last year

New Events
Jan9-15 - The Bahamas Great Exuma Classic - Runs Sun-Wed
Jan 23-29 - The Bahamas Great Abaco Classic - Runs Sun-Wed
Jul 20-23 - Pinnacle Bank Classic - Nebraska (Last played in 2013)

Lost Events
Brasil Champions - Brazil
Sevientrega Championship - Colombia

http://www.pgatour.com/webcom/news/2016/12/12/2017-schedule-announced.html

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Post by robopz on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 4:12 pm

super_realist wrote:
Jacklin doesn't look well at all, thought so for many years.
Can't speak to Jacklin's health these days... but these were taken 2 years ago, and I had a chance to visit with Jacklin quite a bit during that particular round and sitting at the same table with him while Jack, Gary, Trevino and Miller were doing a roundtable (Jacklin had done a Q&A earlier). And since I'd never met him before, it was quite a neat experience for me.

Sure he's gained weight, but my impression was he was still very energetic for a man his age, upbeat, funny, engaging and otherwise healthy as he could be. Still had a decently powerful swing for a man of his age as well...

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Post by GPB on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 4:32 pm

super_realist wrote:
There is no biblical naming convention.

Talk about the missing the point of the post.

You might not think there is no biblical naming convention, but I doubt if Webb, Boo and Chesson were named like David Simpson, James Weekley and John Hadley, you would snark about their names.

Last time I checked, "David", "James", and "John" are Biblical names.

Admittedly, I haven't checked lately.


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Post by beninho on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 4:45 pm

Webb is David Simpson and Boo is Thomas Weekley. neither player has a daft sounding name.

Still unsure on the name Chesson though, but I am not childish enough to laugh at someones name, a name no one ever picks themselves! Unless you have found Islam and chosen your new Muslim name or does the Iman do that for you?

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Post by super_realist on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 4:54 pm

GPB wrote:
super_realist wrote:
There is no biblical naming convention.

Talk about the missing the point of the post.

You might not think there is no biblical naming convention, but I doubt if Webb, Boo and Chesson were named like David Simpson, James Weekley and John Hadley, you would snark about their names.

Last time I checked, "David", "James", and "John" are Biblical names.

Admittedly, I haven't checked lately.


Just because a name is IN the bible, doesn't make it a biblical name. Here's a newsflash for you, there weren't actually Matthew, Mark, Luke and John etc, The gospels were anonymous and  those are anglicised names written into the bible when it was made, they already existed as names. They don't "come" from the bible.
Do you really think those names existed in the middle east? ha ha ha, they were simply inserted in the bible when it was made up from all the canons, they don't originate from it.

If anything and at best, they will have Hebrew heritage from WAY before any bloody bible was written, but it wouldn't be the English version of it.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 5:14 pm

GPB wrote:Still the infatuation with American names that don't with traditional "WASPy" or lest I say "Biblical" naming convention.

Apparently the Anglo-Saxons still think their loss in the Revolutionary War ~240 years gives them the right to snark about the American culture evolving to something different from the English Culture.

Much like the English Language, we didn't invent the traditional Anglo-Saxon names, we perfected it.
picard And to think you were actually doing so well until that last "snarky" comment. I'm not sure the petty reference to U.S. independence was that much of a mature comment either, come to think of it. Worse than us and the perpetual comments re. Germany.

I'm actually with you on the names thing - you're different over there. So what? I wouldn't give a child of mine some of the options I've heard, but then I'm sure you wouldn't use some of ours either. Vive la différence.
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Post by navyblueshorts on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 5:17 pm

Oh, one thing. We are NOT going off on another 'religion' tirade on this thread.
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Post by robopz on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 5:49 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:I'm actually with you on the names thing - you're different over there. So what? I wouldn't give a child of mine some of the options I've heard, but then I'm sure you wouldn't use some of ours either. Vive la différence.
And THAT'S THE WINNER right their folks. Yahoo


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Post by GPB on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 5:49 pm

I don't know Hadley's and Simpson's family ancestry, but I suspect both Chesson and Webb were maiden names of their mother grandmothers or great grandmothers.

Its very common in the USA (especially the South) to give kids with the maiden names of the women in the family. It is one way to keep the mother's family name in future generations. My own middle name is my Mother's maiden name, and it is also my cousin's middle name.

Its just how we do things here. Its not better (or worse) than your convention, just different

NBS..."Perpetual" references to Germany? If mentioning Germany about four times in my 6 years (and 4500 posts) here is "perpetual" then yes, Guilty as charged. But it doesn't fit my definition. Certainly not on the level of non-golf issues continually snarked about on this board.

And FWIW, I would never name a daughter FELICITY Johnson or FLORENTYNA Parker who contended in the last week'sDubai Womens tournament and two of England's highest ranked women's players


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Post by GPB on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 7:41 pm

robopz wrote:Web.com Tour Schedule is out

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Jan9-15 - The Bahamas Great Exuma Classic - Runs Sun-Wed
Jan 23-29 - The Bahamas Great Abaco Classic  - Runs Sun-Wed

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{emphasis mine}

The Sunday - Wednesday tournament days dovetails with a previous golf channel announcement that they are going to focus more on golf content (rather than reality shows like Big Break). Thursday-Sunday are pretty saturated with golf content considering they cover the PGAT, EuroT, LPGA, and PGAT-Champions.

They have already filled in a couple weeks of the year with the NCAAs

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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 8:21 pm

I wish they'd find a way to dovetail during the day instead of just on a weekly basis; frustrating when tournaments of two or more Tours are on simultaneously on various channels.

Anyone heard any changes, in or out, of the broadcast teams?

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Post by Davie on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 8:23 pm

GPB wrote:

Its very common in the USA (especially the South) to give kids with the maiden names of the women in the family.  It is one way to keep the mother's family name in future generations.  My own middle name is my Mother's maiden name, and it is also my cousin's middle name.  

And there's the rub. MIDDLE names. Still not unusual here in the mother country but how often do you find out someone's middle name? Making it a first name (out of deference to NBS I won't call it a Christian name) is what is pretty strange.

I'm sure my daughter would just love a first name of Groothius

GPB wrote:And FWIW, I would never name a daughter FELICITY Johnson or FLORENTYNA Parker who contended in the last week'sDubai Womens tournament and two of England's highest ranked women's

Felicity is a perfectly normal, old name .. nothing new fangled about that. Florentyna probably comes from Essex and has sisters called Chardonnay and Prosseco - I'll give you that one

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Post by GPB on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 8:55 pm

FWIW, Webb Simpson's full name (according to Wiki) is

James Frederick Webb Simpson

I am positive that is going to stop all the petty snark about his name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webb_Simpson

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Post by McLaren on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 9:02 pm

I thought Norman sounded kinda delusional, or at least laughably naive.

He just pulled it out his ass, right?
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Post by BlueCoverman on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 10:52 pm

Davie wrote:Florentyna probably comes from Essex and has sisters called Chardonnay and Prosseco

I didn't realise you knew my three daughters Davie!

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Post by navyblueshorts on Tue 13 Dec 2016, 8:24 am

GPB wrote:...NBS..."Perpetual" references to Germany?  If mentioning Germany about four times in my 6 years (and 4500 posts) here is "perpetual" then yes, Guilty as charged.  But it doesn't fit my definition.  Certainly not on the level of non-golf issues continually snarked about on this board.
picard "Us" as in British. Various factions here (Britain) - usually crap tabloids and football (soccer to you) fans - are always banging on about how "we" won and Germany lost WWII. Seems to be a fading thing recently, but I'm sure the morons who bang on about it haven't died just yet.

GPB wrote:And FWIW, I would never name a daughter FELICITY Johnson or FLORENTYNA Parker who contended in the last week'sDubai Womens tournament and two of England's highest ranked women's players
My point exactly  Cool . You know, vive la différence?
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Post by super_realist on Tue 13 Dec 2016, 8:32 am

GPB wrote:FWIW, Webb Simpson's full name (according to Wiki) is

James Frederick Webb Simpson

I am positive that is going to stop all the petty snark about his name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webb_Simpson

If his name is James, why doesn't he effing well call himself it? What's the point in calling himself Webb, when it's not even his name? What sort of moron uses their middle name when they have an actual first name? It would be like Ian Poulter calling himself James Poulter or Lee Westwood calling himself John Westwood.

For the record, Felicity is an old, traditional name in Britain and fairly common and Florentyna Parker is a naturalised Briton born and brought up in Germany. Hence the name.

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Post by Plunky on Tue 13 Dec 2016, 12:30 pm

Since we don't get to choose our given names, I'm sure there are a number of people who use their middle name simply because they prefer it to their first name.  I went to school with a girl (in England) who did that.   Some parents give their child an official first name to keep a family tradition going but actually call their child by their middle name.   What's the big deal ?  I went through a phase when I didn't particularly like my name -- if I'd had a middle name maybe I might have started using it.

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Post by beninho on Tue 13 Dec 2016, 12:40 pm

In my wifes family she has a couple of aunties, who go by their middle names. Unsure why, I would guess they prefer it. I find it really weird that people get so wound up by peoples names.

People live in different parts of the world and have different traditions, who really cares if Richard goes by Webb, or Thomas goes by his childhood nickname as does Gerry and Eldrick. Or Richard prefers to be called Rich and Rick goes by Rickie with the middle name Yutaka. Or Chesson has a less than a conventional Brittish name.

Aren't we all just grown up enough to not give a flying f@@k.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Tue 13 Dec 2016, 12:50 pm

Meanwhile, I see that Alfie Mickelson has undergone a second hernia surgery and his early season schedule is now uncertain - normally back at whatever the Bob Hope is called now, followed by the rest of the West Coast "swing". All suddenly up in the air. Not good for him as that's the bedrock of his Presidents Cup points accumulation.

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Post by Roller_Coaster on Tue 13 Dec 2016, 1:19 pm

beninho wrote:In my wifes family she has a couple of aunties, who go by their middle names. Unsure why, I would guess they prefer it. I find it really weird that people get so wound up by peoples names.

People live in different parts of the world and have different traditions, who really cares if Richard goes by Webb, or Thomas goes by his childhood nickname as does Gerry and Eldrick. Or Richard prefers to be called Rich and Rick goes by Rickie with the middle name Yutaka. Or Chesson has a less than a conventional Brittish name.

Aren't we all just grown up enough to not give a flying f@@k.

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Post by super_realist on Tue 13 Dec 2016, 1:26 pm

Plunky wrote:Since we don't get to choose our given names, I'm sure there are a number of people who use their middle name simply because they prefer it to their first name.  I went to school with a girl (in England) who did that.   Some parents give their child an official first name to keep a family tradition going but actually call their child by their middle name.   What's the big deal ?  I went through a phase when I didn't particularly like my name -- if I'd had a middle name maybe I might have started using it.

That might well be true, but what sort of person thinks Webb or Boo are more suitable names than James or Thomas? Nobody is getting "wound up" about names, just that names which are typically American, like Eldrick, Boo, Chuck, Tiger, Davis, Chip, Keegan, Webb, Smylie, Chesson etc are just stupid bloody names and to actually WANT to be called it, when so many of them actually aren't seems rather silly given how crazy those names actually sound.

Picabo Street for example. That's ridiculous.

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Post by MontysMerkin on Tue 13 Dec 2016, 1:31 pm

When super issues a diktat make sure you conform or there will be consequences.....
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