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SCOTLAND v GEORGIA
26 November 2016
KO: 14:30 GMT
Rugby Park, Kilmarnock

Live on [BBC Two]

Referee: Matthew Carley (England)
Assistant referees: Mathieu Raynal (France), Dan Jones (Wales)
TMO: Simon McDowell (Ireland)

A. Head to Head

1 Played 1
1 Won 0
0 Drawn 0
0 Lost 1
15 Points 6

B. Recent Form

14 September 2011
Scotland 15–6 Georgia
Rugby Park Stadium, Invercargill

C. TEAMS:

SCOTLAND 
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15 Stuart Hogg, 14 Sean Maitland, 13 Mark Bennett, 12 Alex Dunbar, 11 Tommy Seymour, 10 Finn Russell, 9 Greig Laidlaw(c), 8 Ryan Wilson, 7 Hamish Watson, 6 Rob Harley, 5 Jonny Gray, 4 Richie Gray, 3 Zander Fagerson, 2 Ross Ford, 1 Allan Dell

Replacements: 16 Fraser Brown, 17 Alex Allan, 18 Moray Low, 19 Grant Gilchrist, 20 John Barclay, 21 Ali Price, 22 Pete Horne, 23 Rory Hughes

GEORGIA
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15 Merab Kvirikashvili, 14 Giorgi Aptsiauri, 13 Merab Sharikadze, 12 Tamaz Mtchedlidze, 11 Sandro Todua, 10 Lasha Malaghuradze, 9 Vasil Lobzhanidze, 8 Beka Bitsadze, 7 Mamuka Gorgodze(c), 6 Vito Kolelishvili, 5 Giorgi Nemsadze, 4 Kote Mikautadze, 3 Levan Chilachava, 2 Jaba Bregvadze, 1 Mikheil Nariashvili

Replacements: 16 Badri Alkhazashvili, 17 Kakha Asieshvili, 18 Dudu Kubriashvili, 19 Lasha Lomidze, 20 Giorgi Tkhilaishvili, 21 Giorgi Begadze, 22 Beka Tsiklauri, 23 Shalva Sutiashvili

***

In the recent international series, Georgia posted the following results, having travelled to the Pacific Islands for the first time:

- 11 June 2016: Samoa 19 - 19 Georgia (Apia Park, Samoa)
- 18 June 2016: Tonga 20 - 23 Georgia (Suva, Fiji)
- 24 June 2016: Fiji 3 - 14 Georgia (Suva, Fiji)
- 12 November 2016: Georgia 22−28 Japan
- 19 November 2016: Georgia 20–16 Samoa

This now means that:

- Georgia have now beaten all of the Tier 2 rugby nations (Fiji, Japan, Samoa, Tonga, Canada, USA, Uruguay, Namibia, Portugal, Romania, Russia and Spain)
- Georgia are now ranked 11th in the world
- This ranks them higher than Japan, Italy, Samoa, Tonga and the USA
- Georgia has now played in 4 RWCs and has automatically qualified for Japan 2019
- They have now won the European Nations Cup (i.e. the Tier 2 version of the 6 Nations) nine times in 2001, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2016.


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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 16:17

Ali Price - the anti Laidlaw. Superb play young man

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Post by RDW Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 16:19

Price showing why we need to develop impact off the bench at 9!

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Post by RDW Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 16:22

Ryan Wilson motm?????

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 16:22

Ryan Wilson MOTM, think that one was picked especially for 606v2!

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Post by Eejit Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 16:25

Was thinking the exact same thing....

Well done Ali Price for putting his hand up at the end there.

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Post by IanBru Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 16:26

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Post by monty junior Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 16:28

Wilson MOTM Shocked

How people "in the know" can be so oblivious to him being completely useless is amazing, i didn't even realize he was English until just then..

Decent result but we should have been a lot more ruthless, 60 points was on and we flapped the second half.

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Post by BigGee Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 16:30

Well a good win and a very decent game.

One for the Ryan Wilson haters to ponder I think and Ali Price and Rory Hughes showed what they can bring to the party!

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Post by IanBru Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 16:39

I'm pretty sure Ryan Wilson is Scottish. The clue's in the badge on his chest.
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Post by Welly Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 17:12

monty junior wrote:Wilson MOTM Shocked

How people "in the know" can be so oblivious to him being completely useless is amazing, i didn't even realize he was English until just then..

Decent result but we should have been a lot more ruthless, 60 points was on and we flapped the second half.

Wilson is just as Scottish as Watson.

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Post by Heuer27 Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 17:13

To be fair to Wilson and I'm not a fan. He did really well today.

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Post by monty junior Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 17:21

He's not awful by any means, he just doesn't do anything particularly well, fine at club rugby but he's too lightweight for international rugby, he just get's bullied. We have a great chance to finish top 3 in the 6 nations, if we can find a better balance in the back row. He is not good enough to start when everyone is fit, frankly he'd be lucky to get in the squad.

Good to see Hogg get back amongst the tries again, you've got Seymour with the same amount of tries in 30 tests as Lamont did in 90 odd, it's great to be able to score tries, just need to do a bit of adjusting in the forwards.

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Post by Heuer27 Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 17:25

With Nel and Dickinson back and firing,as well as our first choice back row, We will be a headache for most teams.
No one will relish a visit to Murrayfield ATM.

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Post by demosthenes Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 17:27

Heuer27 wrote:With Nel and Dickinson back and firing,as well as our first choice back row, We will be a headache for most teams.
No one will relish a visit to Murryfield ATM.

Question has to be what is our first choice back row if all are fit and firing?  I suspect it is not a simple and straightforward answer.

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Post by Heuer27 Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 17:39

True. But I think most of us have an idea of who are our first choice back row are. Personally Barclay has to be there then Watson/ Hardie and either Denton/ Strauss / CDP Depanding on who is fit. With Bradbury ,Dell, Faegerson, Bennett, Price, Horne , Brown , Toolis/ Gilchrist. On the bench. It's hard to pick tbh. Which in itself is a good thing.

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Post by BigGee Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 18:02

Like it or not Ryan Wilson will be in the mix for the back row come the 6N and that id because the coaches like him.

The reason the coaches like him is that he grafts unselfishishly for 80 mins each game and leaves everything out on the pitch.

Denton may well carry better than him, but can't pass or catch and does not defend as well.

Strauss can do all the things Wilson does and maybe better, but really seems to be struggling to stay fit now.

CDP may well prove to be the longer term answer, but has not showed the form that we know he is capable of this year so far, until he does, he is unlikely to be selected.

Bradbury is the coming man, but needs to gain the experience.

Wilson may not be the best at anything he does, but the sum of his parts is pretty solid and that is why all of his coaches keep picking him.

That is only likely to change when one of the others really puts up their hands and makes an unanswerable case. At the moment none of them are doing that.


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Post by tigertattie Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 19:16

No way was Wilson motm. Had to be Hogg surely? Seymour even?

Really need to fix the scrums. Both props shown up again.

Other than that, was a fairly convincing win
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Post by TJ Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 19:21

Watson has taken the chance he has been given in these games.  Played very well overall I thought

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Post by EST Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 19:56

BigGee wrote:Like it or not Ryan Wilson will be in the mix for the back row come the 6N and that id because the coaches like him.

The reason the coaches like him is that he grafts unselfishishly for 80 mins each game and leaves everything out on the pitch.

Denton may well carry better than him, but can't pass or catch and does not defend as well.

Strauss can do all the things Wilson does and maybe better, but really seems to be struggling to stay fit now.

CDP may well prove to be the longer term answer, but has not showed the form that we know he is capable of this year so far, until he does, he is unlikely to be selected.

Bradbury is the coming man, but needs to gain the experience.

Wilson may not be the best at anything he does, but the sum of his parts is pretty solid and that is why all of his coaches keep picking him.

That is only likely to change when one of the others really puts up their hands and makes an unanswerable case. At the moment none of them are doing that.


I'd actually agree that Wilson deserved his MoM, he was good today. I now recall him having a strong performances internationally against Georgia and last year against Italy. Circumstances have conspired in such a way that he has the jersey for now, but no matter how you spin it - he is really very average at what he does.

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Post by BigGee Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 20:40

EST wrote:
BigGee wrote:Like it or not Ryan Wilson will be in the mix for the back row come the 6N and that id because the coaches like him.

The reason the coaches like him is that he grafts unselfishishly for 80 mins each game and leaves everything out on the pitch.

Denton may well carry better than him, but can't pass or catch and does not defend as well.

Strauss can do all the things Wilson does and maybe better, but really seems to be struggling to stay fit now.

CDP may well prove to be the longer term answer, but has not showed the form that we know he is capable of this year so far, until he does, he is unlikely to be selected.

Bradbury is the coming man, but needs to gain the experience.

Wilson may not be the best at anything he does, but the sum of his parts is pretty solid and that is why all of his coaches keep picking him.

That is only likely to change when one of the others really puts up their hands and makes an unanswerable case. At the moment none of them are doing that.


I'd actually agree that Wilson deserved his MoM, he was good today.  I now recall him having a strong performances internationally against Georgia and last year against Italy.  Circumstances have conspired in such a way that he has the jersey for now, but no matter how you spin it - he is really very average at what he does.

I think very average is probably a bit strong, he is a good player.

Is he as good as some of the other No.8s playing in the home nations, No.

Is any other Scottish player really putting up his hand for the shirt, No. The only one really is Bradbury and the coaches, probably quite rightly, seem to want to ease him in gently and he may not see that much game time this 6N.

I would love it if a better player than Wilson was demanding the shirt, but I am not really seeing it atm.

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Post by George Carlin Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 5:36

BigGee wrote:
EST wrote:
BigGee wrote:Like it or not Ryan Wilson will be in the mix for the back row come the 6N and that id because the coaches like him.

The reason the coaches like him is that he grafts unselfishishly for 80 mins each game and leaves everything out on the pitch.

Denton may well carry better than him, but can't pass or catch and does not defend as well.

Strauss can do all the things Wilson does and maybe better, but really seems to be struggling to stay fit now.

CDP may well prove to be the longer term answer, but has not showed the form that we know he is capable of this year so far, until he does, he is unlikely to be selected.

Bradbury is the coming man, but needs to gain the experience.

Wilson may not be the best at anything he does, but the sum of his parts is pretty solid and that is why all of his coaches keep picking him.

That is only likely to change when one of the others really puts up their hands and makes an unanswerable case. At the moment none of them are doing that.


I'd actually agree that Wilson deserved his MoM, he was good today.  I now recall him having a strong performances internationally against Georgia and last year against Italy.  Circumstances have conspired in such a way that he has the jersey for now, but no matter how you spin it - he is really very average at what he does.

I think very average is probably a bit strong, he is a good player.

Is he as good as some of the other No.8s playing in the home nations, No.

Is any other Scottish player really putting up his hand for the shirt, No. The only one really is Bradbury and the coaches, probably quite rightly, seem to want to ease him in gently and he may not see that much game time this 6N.

I would love it if a better player than Wilson was demanding the shirt, but I am not really seeing it atm.
Agree with all of that. Barclay does not look naturally at home at 8 despite his frequent cameos, Strauss seems to be out of favour for some reason, CDP clearly is not at full fitness and that has been one of the most disappointing threads of this international campaign.

Denton is not playing for his club, Ashe is injured, Beattie has vanished and Eadie plays for a ladies second XV in the second tier.

It is correct to say that we probably have the weakest 8 from all of the 6 Nations (Parisse, Picamoles, Falatau, Vunipola and Heaslip) but it doesn't mean that Wilson is an awful player. It just means that its irritating we cannot put up someone better at the moment.
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Post by cakeordeath Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 8:37

Quite disappointed by that game. We should have put 60+ points on them. England, Wales, or Ireland would have. First half was ok, second half we were poor.

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Post by cakeordeath Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 8:59

Also I am trying to work out how close to a 1st team that was. Pretty close I think.

We were Missing:

Nel
Dickson
Sutherland?
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Post by TJ Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 9:05

I thought Fagerson did OK. The main trouble in the scrums came when he went off. Some decent runs as well. Hopefully Nel and Dickinson will be back for the 6N but the experience Dell and Fagerson have got will be invaluable
Laidlaw a good game. Russell a bit meh. Back 3 looked sharpe and dangerous,

Back row Headscratch Watson must surely now be the incumbent at 7 but somehow despite all the good back rows we have its hard to pick a properly balanced back row. Bradbury and Barclay? Or Strauss? Played a stormer in glasgows defeat.

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Post by TJ Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 9:07

cakeordeath wrote:Quite disappointed by that game. We should have put 60+ points on them. England, Wales, or Ireland would have. First half was ok, second half we were poor.  

I think you are forgetting how far we have come. 6 tries - even 3 years ago 6 tries against anyone would be unthinkable

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Post by cakeordeath Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 9:13

TJ wrote:
cakeordeath wrote:Quite disappointed by that game. We should have put 60+ points on them. England, Wales, or Ireland would have. First half was ok, second half we were poor.  

I think you are forgetting how far we have come.  6 tries - even 3 years ago 6 tries against anyone would be unthinkable

That's true. I also can't help but feel if we had played this game at Murrayfield we would probably have run in a few more. However our 2nd half performance was a worry.


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Post by BigGee Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 9:16

I think that Dell will be giving Sutherland a run for his money for the back up LH spot now. He has been given his chance and has taken it with both hands. He held up his side of the scrum very well and was very good in the loose. He has just not had the chances at Edinburgh to show what a good player he is. Allan looked like he can play at this level as well and just needs more opportunity as well.

The depth at LH is actually pretty impressive now. Assuming Dickinson can regain fitness and his old form you would imagine he is still first choice. He is starting to knock on a bit though and that may not be a given though, but we do look like we have life following on from him in any case.

The backrow is still a work in progress though and a few players have not shown us their hands yet. I don't believe that VC really does know what his best combo there is yet either.

I hope he will be encouraged to use the back up SH a bit more as well now. Price really did show what a fresh fast player can do against a tiring defence and is a tactic we could and should be using more often and effectively.

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Post by BigGee Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 9:19

cakeordeath wrote:
TJ wrote:
cakeordeath wrote:Quite disappointed by that game. We should have put 60+ points on them. England, Wales, or Ireland would have. First half was ok, second half we were poor.  

I think you are forgetting how far we have come.  6 tries - even 3 years ago 6 tries against anyone would be unthinkable

That's true. I also can't help but feel if we had played this game at Murrayfield we would probably have run in a few more. However our 2nd half performance was a worry.


Give a little bit of credit to Georgia here as well. They actually played a lot better in the second half as well, despite the game being gone. They were facing an annihilation at one point and had enough pride in their shirts to carrying on fighting.

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Post by cakeordeath Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 9:25

BigGee wrote:
cakeordeath wrote:
TJ wrote:
cakeordeath wrote:Quite disappointed by that game. We should have put 60+ points on them. England, Wales, or Ireland would have. First half was ok, second half we were poor.  

I think you are forgetting how far we have come.  6 tries - even 3 years ago 6 tries against anyone would be unthinkable

That's true. I also can't help but feel if we had played this game at Murrayfield we would probably have run in a few more. However our 2nd half performance was a worry.


Give a little bit of credit to Georgia here as well. They actually played a lot better in the second half as well, despite the game being gone. They were facing an annihilation at one point and had enough pride in their shirts to carrying on fighting.

I don't think I can, I honestly believe we were truly awful in the 2nd half

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Post by cakeordeath Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 9:27

cakeordeath wrote:
BigGee wrote:
cakeordeath wrote:
TJ wrote:
cakeordeath wrote:Quite disappointed by that game. We should have put 60+ points on them. England, Wales, or Ireland would have. First half was ok, second half we were poor.  

I think you are forgetting how far we have come.  6 tries - even 3 years ago 6 tries against anyone would be unthinkable

That's true. I also can't help but feel if we had played this game at Murrayfield we would probably have run in a few more. However our 2nd half performance was a worry.


Give a little bit of credit to Georgia here as well. They actually played a lot better in the second half as well, despite the game being gone. They were facing an annihilation at one point and had enough pride in their shirts to carrying on fighting.

I don't think I can, I honestly believe we were truly awful in the 2nd half

Actually that is coming off as a bit harsh. Georgia definitely upped their game 2nd half, but we helped them by being sh!t

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Post by RDW Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 9:28

Given that myself, and others on here, thought that this was going to be a tense physical game yet we absolutely pumped them 43-16 we should really be pretty happy.

The first half was the best I've seen us play against a tier 2 nation - we had so much ball that we only made 5 tackles in the first half! Now you could say that with all that dominance we should have scored more points.

2nd half was very poor but I'm glad we got the late try to put a gloss on things - Laidlaw would never have taken that quick tap!

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Post by EST Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 9:58

George Carlin wrote:
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EST wrote:
BigGee wrote:Like it or not Ryan Wilson will be in the mix for the back row come the 6N and that id because the coaches like him.

The reason the coaches like him is that he grafts unselfishishly for 80 mins each game and leaves everything out on the pitch.

Denton may well carry better than him, but can't pass or catch and does not defend as well.

Strauss can do all the things Wilson does and maybe better, but really seems to be struggling to stay fit now.

CDP may well prove to be the longer term answer, but has not showed the form that we know he is capable of this year so far, until he does, he is unlikely to be selected.

Bradbury is the coming man, but needs to gain the experience.

Wilson may not be the best at anything he does, but the sum of his parts is pretty solid and that is why all of his coaches keep picking him.

That is only likely to change when one of the others really puts up their hands and makes an unanswerable case. At the moment none of them are doing that.


I'd actually agree that Wilson deserved his MoM, he was good today.  I now recall him having a strong performances internationally against Georgia and last year against Italy.  Circumstances have conspired in such a way that he has the jersey for now, but no matter how you spin it - he is really very average at what he does.

I think very average is probably a bit strong, he is a good player.

Is he as good as some of the other No.8s playing in the home nations, No.

Is any other Scottish player really putting up his hand for the shirt, No. The only one really is Bradbury and the coaches, probably quite rightly, seem to want to ease him in gently and he may not see that much game time this 6N.

I would love it if a better player than Wilson was demanding the shirt, but I am not really seeing it atm.
Agree with all of that. Barclay does not look naturally at home at 8 despite his frequent cameos, Strauss seems to be out of favour for some reason, CDP clearly is not at full fitness and that has been one of the most disappointing threads of this international campaign.

Denton is not playing for his club, Ashe is injured, Beattie has vanished and Eadie plays for a ladies second XV in the second tier.

It is correct to say that we probably have the weakest 8 from all of the 6 Nations (Parisse, Picamoles, Falatau, Vunipola and Heaslip) but it doesn't mean that Wilson is an awful player. It just means that its irritating we cannot put up someone better at the moment.

I know I am coming of as sounding harsh on Wilson, he does give his all for the cause and, as you say, is a solid player.  I also agree as to why he is currently the incumbent, he is the only person seemingly fit and firing.  However, I stand by my assertion that he is an average international player.  Against the better teams, he really struggles to offer any impact - especially when carrying ball.   I think it's the one area in our starting 15 where we really struggle to field somebody of similar class to our regular opposition.  You only have to look at Faletau, Vunipola or Parisse to see what we are missing out on.  I really hope CDP manages to string some games together, as for me he seems the obvious person to fill the void.

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Post by BigGee Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 10:12

I think that 2 parts of our backrow are now in place.

Watson or Hardie could play openside and I would not like to toss a coin between them when both fit and firing. Watson probably slightly better going forward, Hardie a bit more powerful in the tackle. Both look like they can play well at this level.

Barclay I would say has now nailed down the BS spot. In reality he is more of a 61/2 than a true BS but that actually suits the way we are playing at the moment. The Harley experiement against Georgia was maybe worth trying but it did not really tell us anything we did not know, in that Rob Harley may not be quite dynamic enough to be an international backrow forward. For all his attributes, that is not the kind of game we are trying to play now.

No.8 is just up for grabs. Barclay is not an 8 and was only played there to ease Bradbury into the international arena. Wilson is the incumbent, a safe pair of hands even if he does not really light the fire, he will do a job. Strauss has struggled to put any run of games together recently and has not completely convinced at international level when he has had his chance. Denton will run into a brick wall but struggles to pass or off load once he has beaten the first man. CDP needs to get fit and Bradbury just needs to keep on doing what he is doing and eventually the coaches will pay attention!


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Post by RDW Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 10:17

BigGee wrote:I think that 2 parts of our backrow are now in place.

Watson or Hardie could play openside and I would not like to toss a coin between them when both fit and firing. Watson probably slightly better going forward, Hardie a bit more powerful in the tackle. Both look like they can play well at this level.

Barclay I would say has now nailed down the BS spot. In reality he is more of a 61/2 than a true BS but that actually suits the way we are playing at the moment. The Harley experiement against Georgia was maybe worth trying but it did not really tell us anything we did not know, in that Rob Harley may not be quite dynamic enough to be an international backrow forward. For all his attributes, that is not the kind of game we are trying to play now.

No.8 is just up for grabs. Barclay is not an 8 and was only played there to ease Bradbury into the international arena. Wilson is the incumbent, a safe pair of hands even if he does not really light the fire, he will do a job. Strauss has struggled to put any run of games together recently and has not completely convinced at international level when he has had his chance. Denton will run into a brick wall but struggles to pass or off load once he has beaten the first man. CDP needs to get fit and Bradbury just needs to keep on doing what he is doing and eventually the coaches will pay attention!


A very fair summary, but I just don't see Barclay as the long term solution at 6!

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Post by EST Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 10:37

BigGee wrote:I think that 2 parts of our backrow are now in place.

Watson or Hardie could play openside and I would not like to toss a coin between them when both fit and firing. Watson probably slightly better going forward, Hardie a bit more powerful in the tackle. Both look like they can play well at this level.

Barclay I would say has now nailed down the BS spot. In reality he is more of a 61/2 than a true BS but that actually suits the way we are playing at the moment. The Harley experiement against Georgia was maybe worth trying but it did not really tell us anything we did not know, in that Rob Harley may not be quite dynamic enough to be an international backrow forward. For all his attributes, that is not the kind of game we are trying to play now.

No.8 is just up for grabs. Barclay is not an 8 and was only played there to ease Bradbury into the international arena. Wilson is the incumbent, a safe pair of hands even if he does not really light the fire, he will do a job. Strauss has struggled to put any run of games together recently and has not completely convinced at international level when he has had his chance. Denton will run into a brick wall but struggles to pass or off load once he has beaten the first man. CDP needs to get fit and Bradbury just needs to keep on doing what he is doing and eventually the coaches will pay attention!


I agree on Watson, he has really stood up and I would have no complaints if he were to start the 6N next year. I was a huge advocate of Barclay being brought back into the fold at six, as a placeholder until we could unearth somebody to occupy that spot long term. I view him as a fantastic bench option to cover 6,7 & 8, but I would look to ease Bradbury into that starting position - where I think we need him more than at 8. As I have mentioned 8 is the priority to sort out, and I think CDP is the man to do the job, with Strauss pushing him hard if he can recover some of his mojo. If I were to pick a backrow that I would want to start the game against Ireland, I would go for:

6. Bradbury
7. Hardie
8. CDP

Bench: Barclay

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Post by reallybored Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 10:58

Most will disagree but I'd go for

6 - Denton
7 - Barclay
8 - Bradbury

20 - Watson

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Post by George Carlin Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 11:00

Come on now, lads. 

We all know that the correct combo is:

06 Barclay
07 Watson 
08 CDP

20 Hardie
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Post by RDW Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 11:04

Nah nah you lot all know nothing

6 Bradbury
7 Hardie
8 CDP

Sub - Barclay

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Post by Heuer27 Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 11:37

For this season,I would go with the following.

6. Barclay
7. Watson
8. CDP

Bench: Bradbury

You have Barclay's experience , CDP 's bulk and Watson's fetching.

Hardie is not going to be ready. Neither is Denton .Strauss is a bit meh at the moment. Wilson comes after theses guys for me. Bradbury can get 20mins every game to blood him into the team with a view to getting the post full time next season. He covers 6 & 8 from the bench.
Job done. Tea and medals.

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Post by reallybored Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 11:42

Why is everyone selecting CDP?

Hasn't been capped yet and may struggle to get into the Edinburgh back-row with Bradbury, Manu & Mata.

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Post by Heuer27 Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 11:44

reallybored wrote:Why is everyone selecting CDP?

Hasn't been capped yet and may struggle to get into the Edinburgh back-row with Bradbury, Manu & Mata.

Cause no one wants to pick Wilson there I suppose.

That and Bradbury is still a bit under cooked.

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Post by reallybored Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 11:45

Heuer27 wrote:
reallybored wrote:Why is everyone selecting CDP?

Hasn't been capped yet and may struggle to get into the Edinburgh back-row with Bradbury, Manu & Mata.

Cause no one wants to pick Wilson there I suppose.

That and Bradbury is still a bit under cooked.
Why is Bradbury under-cooked?

I thought he was excellent against the Pumas and has been a stand-out for Edinburgh this season.

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Post by RDW Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 11:48

CDP's season has been plagued by injuries - if he hadn't been he would have played regularly for Edinburgh and almost certainly would have been capped this series.

If this carries on like this he shouldn't be picked in the 6N, but I hope he gets back to his best because we could do with him!

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Post by Heuer27 Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 11:49

He did well at 6. Cotter said that he only gave him two things to do. Tackle and carry. Sounds like he thought he wasn't ready to play at 8 at that level.

I think the consensus is once he's had a full season as first choice 8 for his club then he'll be more prepared for the step up

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Post by EST Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 11:52

Heuer27 wrote:For this season,I would go with the following.

6. Barclay
7. Watson
8. CDP

Bench: Bradbury

You have Barclay's experience , CDP 's bulk and Watson's fetching.

Hardie is not going to be ready. Neither is Denton .Strauss is a bit meh at the moment. Wilson comes after theses guys for me. Bradbury can get 20mins every game to blood him into the team with a view to getting the post full time next season. He covers 6 & 8 from the bench.
Job done. Tea and medals.

I'd be happy with that as well. The weakness in my backrow is that Bradbury and CDP are both inexperienced at international level, that was why I included Hardie over Watson.

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Post by bsando Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 12:03

Agree with a lot of the above. Wilson is the best all round option at 8 at the moment as he can do everything that is required of him and he is the fittest player in that position. CDP when fit will probably be able to nab the shirt but I doubt Wilson will be keen to give it up. Wilson really does seem like a no nonsense sort of player who gives it his all on the pitch and puts his body on the line. I especially like his heads up attitude to the game and I think he suits the VC game plan more so than Strauss who I am also a huge fan of.

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Post by BigGee Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 12:20

So to sum up this conversation:

Wilson has grudgingly earned a bit of respect from the Scotland forum fans and none of us can agree what our best back row should be!

No one ever said that selection was easy!

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Post by Heuer27 Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 12:23

BigGee wrote:So to sum up this conversation:

Wilson has grudgingly earned a bit of respect from the Scotland forum fans and none of us can agree what our best back row should be!

No one ever said that selection was easy!



Good stuff. Now what about the midfield options, that'll be easy to sort out. Whistle

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Post by cakeordeath Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 12:43

Matt Scott at 13 obviously

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Post by Heuer27 Sun 27 Nov 2016 - 12:47

Nah DeLuca

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