Chavez Sr on GGG comparison.
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Chavez Sr on GGG comparison.
"Abel Sanchez is a great friend of mine and a great trainer, but I think we are very different. Golovkin is very rustic and very basic, and I was on a different level."
AdamT- Posts : 6651
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He's not wrong you know, he is on a different level, just don't think he realises it's a lot lower than GGG
Derbymanc- Posts : 4008
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Derbymanc wrote:He's not wrong you know, he is on a different level, just don't think he realises it's a lot lower than GGG
AdamT- Posts : 6651
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Mexican roadsweepers vs MW bin men. Both have padded records, only Chavez Sr has some very good names on his as well.
AdamT- Posts : 6651
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Never lacked self esteem our Julio.
Makes you realise the level Whittaker and Taylor were on, as both made him look a little 'rustic' at times.
Makes you realise the level Whittaker and Taylor were on, as both made him look a little 'rustic' at times.
milkyboy- Posts : 7762
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Duran said he would kick Chavez a##. I don't think many would argue with him.
AdamT- Posts : 6651
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Thought Chavez was a great fighter, I think he's under appreciated myself. He fought often, wasn't boring and as far as I remember, never avoided a fighter.
I always thought that he would have flattened De La Hoya if they had met peak to peak at 130, 135 and at 140lbs.
Damn shame he never retired when he was 87-0.
I always thought that he would have flattened De La Hoya if they had met peak to peak at 130, 135 and at 140lbs.
Damn shame he never retired when he was 87-0.
Atila- Posts : 1711
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Why? Better that he fought on and got same names on his ledger.
AdamT- Posts : 6651
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At 87-0 he still had some decent names on his ledger. He was P4P number one and was rated as Mexico's greatest fighter. If he'd retired at 87-0, no one would now have to listen to talk about Marciano's and Floyd's record.
Nothing he did after fighting Whitaker added to his legacy. In fact, for some of the younger posters, it seems that it's his later career that he's remembered for, rather than for the terrific run of wins and the way he fought during his prime years.
Nothing he did after fighting Whitaker added to his legacy. In fact, for some of the younger posters, it seems that it's his later career that he's remembered for, rather than for the terrific run of wins and the way he fought during his prime years.
Atila- Posts : 1711
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AdamT wrote:Derbymanc wrote:He's not wrong you know, he is on a different level, just don't think he realises it's a lot lower than GGG
Bloody hell, just realised that says Chavez SENIOR, wondered why the shock Adam :-)
I'll RTFCP next time.
Think he's right actually, until GGG steps it up and fights a contender.
Derbymanc- Posts : 4008
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GGG could be special. I'll reserve my judgment for now!
AdamT- Posts : 6651
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I think JCC peaked at lightweight, even though he wasn't there long. The Rosario win is probably his greatest performance, dismantling a very good fighter. He may have been tight at the weight in his later fights (some of which were less dominant) at super feather and maybe a little undersized at light welter although dominant there for sometime.
Shame the Whittaker fight didn't take place at a lower weight a little earlier, it took a long time to come to the boil. Neither were ever natural welters... although Chavez did insist on a catchweight. Don't you just hate fighters who do that!
JCC's record is hugely padded in terms of numbers but he beat some very good fighters and is a bonafide great... as he will happily tell you!
Shame the Whittaker fight didn't take place at a lower weight a little earlier, it took a long time to come to the boil. Neither were ever natural welters... although Chavez did insist on a catchweight. Don't you just hate fighters who do that!
JCC's record is hugely padded in terms of numbers but he beat some very good fighters and is a bonafide great... as he will happily tell you!
milkyboy- Posts : 7762
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I didn't know that. But yes, I hate fighters that do that, especially when it's so that they can win 2 titles at once.milkyboy wrote:I think JCC peaked at lightweight, even though he wasn't there long. The Rosario win is probably his greatest performance, dismantling a very good fighter. He may have been tight at the weight in his later fights (some of which were less dominant) at super feather and maybe a little undersized at light welter although dominant there for sometime.
Shame the Whittaker fight didn't take place at a lower weight a little earlier, it took a long time to come to the boil. Neither were ever natural welters... although Chavez did insist on a catchweight. Don't you just hate fighters who do that!
JCC's record is hugely padded in terms of numbers but he beat some very good fighters and is a bonafide great... as he will happily tell you!
Atila- Posts : 1711
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Yep they're the worst
Chavez and Whitaker should have been a 140 fight really it just took a while to happen and I think would have happened at 140 had it not been for Whittaker taking and winning the McGirt fight at 147 - so no real blame attached to Chavez, and don't think weight was a factor in the fight.
Chavez and Whitaker should have been a 140 fight really it just took a while to happen and I think would have happened at 140 had it not been for Whittaker taking and winning the McGirt fight at 147 - so no real blame attached to Chavez, and don't think weight was a factor in the fight.
milkyboy- Posts : 7762
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Atila wrote:Thought Chavez was a great fighter, I think he's under appreciated myself. He fought often, wasn't boring and as far as I remember, never avoided a fighter.
I always thought that he would have flattened De La Hoya if they had met peak to peak at 130, 135 and at 140lbs.
Damn shame he never retired when he was 87-0.
Agree with you there. Chavez was a wonderful fighter. An absolute machine (and agreed on Oscar).
By the time Randall beat him, he'd already started to slip a little. He'd lost some intensity, and often seemed bored/disinterested in fights.
An all-time great and one of the best of the modern era (he is, genuinely, in the hunt for a top 20 spot in an all-time sense).
hazharrison- Posts : 7540
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AdamT wrote:GGG could be special. I'll reserve my judgment for now!
You've hardly "reserved judgement." You run him down every chance you get.
Good fighter Golovkin but Chavez was all the way round better technically (if less powerful).
hazharrison- Posts : 7540
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You don't rate certain fighters for not taking tough challenges. Can I not do the same?
He can fight, but his record is p1ss poor.
He can fight, but his record is p1ss poor.
AdamT- Posts : 6651
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Re: Chavez Sr on GGG comparison.
Atila wrote:Thought Chavez was a great fighter, I think he's under appreciated myself. He fought often, wasn't boring and as far as I remember, never avoided a fighter.
I always thought that he would have flattened De La Hoya if they had met peak to peak at 130, 135 and at 140lbs.
Damn shame he never retired when he was 87-0.
Obviously he ranks higher than Oscar as a p4p.
I always thought de la Hoya was faster and more mobile at the lower weights and he could bang. Although only young I felt his better work was at 135/140. Conversely Chavez was probably not at his best at 140. Oscar had a great chin, so it's whether you think he'd survive the body attack. If Taylor can get to within a few seconds of victory over Chavez I certainly wouldn't be expecting Oscar to get rolled and I wouldn't write him off against 'prime' Chavez - if you think jcc was still prime at 140 - presumably the younger uncle rog/Taylor version.
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