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Post by AdamT on Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:51 pm

"Abel Sanchez is a great friend of mine and a great trainer, but I think we are very different. Golovkin is very rustic and very basic, and I was on a different level."


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Post by Derbymanc on Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:21 am

He's not wrong you know, he is on a different level, just don't think he realises it's a lot lower than GGG

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Post by AdamT on Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:27 am

Derbymanc wrote:He's not wrong you know, he is on a different level, just don't think he realises it's a lot lower than GGG

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Post by AdamT on Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:28 am

Mexican roadsweepers vs MW bin men. Both have padded records, only Chavez Sr has some very good names on his as well.


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Post by milkyboy on Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:42 am

Never lacked self esteem our Julio.

Makes you realise the level Whittaker and Taylor were on, as both made him look a little 'rustic' at times.

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Post by AdamT on Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:02 am

Duran said he would kick Chavez a##. I don't think many would argue with him.

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Post by Atila on Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:13 am

Thought Chavez was a great fighter, I think he's under appreciated myself. He fought often, wasn't boring and as far as I remember, never avoided a fighter.

I always thought that he would have flattened De La Hoya if they had met peak to peak at 130, 135 and at 140lbs.

Damn shame he never retired when he was 87-0.

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Post by AdamT on Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:18 am

Why? Better that he fought on and got same names on his ledger.

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Post by Atila on Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:26 am

At 87-0 he still had some decent names on his ledger. He was P4P number one and was rated as Mexico's greatest fighter. If he'd retired at 87-0, no one would now have to listen to talk about Marciano's and Floyd's record. Very Happy

Nothing he did after fighting Whitaker added to his legacy. In fact, for some of the younger posters, it seems that it's his later career that he's remembered for, rather than for the terrific run of wins and the way he fought during his prime years.

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Post by Derbymanc on Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:29 am

AdamT wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:He's not wrong you know, he is on a different level, just don't think he realises it's a lot lower than GGG

Shocked

Bloody hell, just realised that says Chavez SENIOR, wondered why the shock Adam :-)

I'll RTFCP next time.

Think he's right actually, until GGG steps it up and fights a contender.


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Post by AdamT on Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:16 am

GGG could be special. I'll reserve my judgment for now!

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Post by milkyboy on Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:13 am

I think JCC peaked at lightweight, even though he wasn't there long. The Rosario win is probably his greatest performance, dismantling a very good fighter. He may have been tight at the weight in his later fights (some of which were less dominant) at super feather and maybe a little undersized at light welter although dominant there for sometime.

Shame the Whittaker fight didn't take place at a lower weight a little earlier, it took a long time to come to the boil. Neither were ever natural welters... although Chavez did insist on a catchweight. Don't you just hate fighters who do that!

JCC's record is hugely padded in terms of numbers but he beat some very good fighters and is a bonafide great... as he will happily tell you!

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Post by Atila on Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:20 am

milkyboy wrote:I think JCC peaked at lightweight, even though he wasn't there long. The Rosario win is probably his greatest performance, dismantling a very good fighter. He may have been tight at the weight in his later fights (some of which were less dominant) at super feather and maybe a little undersized at light welter although dominant there for sometime.

Shame the Whittaker fight didn't take place at a lower weight a little earlier, it took a long time to come to the boil. Neither were ever natural welters... although Chavez did insist on a catchweight. Don't you just hate fighters who do that!

JCC's record is hugely padded in terms of numbers but he beat some very good fighters and is a bonafide great... as he will happily tell you!
I didn't know that. But yes, I hate fighters that do that, especially when it's so that they can win 2 titles at once. Very Happy


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Post by milkyboy on Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:42 am

Yep they're the worst Laugh

Chavez and Whitaker should have been a 140 fight really it just took a while to happen and I think would have happened at 140 had it not been for Whittaker taking and winning the McGirt fight at 147 - so no real blame attached to Chavez, and don't think weight was a factor in the fight.

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Post by hazharrison on Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:12 am

Atila wrote:Thought Chavez was a great fighter, I think he's under appreciated myself. He fought often, wasn't boring and as far as I remember, never avoided a fighter.

I always thought that he would have flattened De La Hoya if they had met peak to peak at 130, 135 and at 140lbs.

Damn shame he never retired when he was 87-0.

Agree with you there. Chavez was a wonderful fighter. An absolute machine (and agreed on Oscar).

By the time Randall beat him, he'd already started to slip a little. He'd lost some intensity, and often seemed bored/disinterested in fights.

An all-time great and one of the best of the modern era (he is, genuinely, in the hunt for a top 20 spot in an all-time sense).

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Post by hazharrison on Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:22 am

AdamT wrote:GGG could be special. I'll reserve my judgment for now!

You've hardly "reserved judgement." You run him down every chance you get.

Good fighter Golovkin but Chavez was all the way round better technically (if less powerful).

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Post by AdamT on Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:38 am

You don't rate certain fighters for not taking tough challenges. Can I not do the same?

He can fight, but his record is p1ss poor.

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Post by milkyboy on Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:54 am

Atila wrote:Thought Chavez was a great fighter, I think he's under appreciated myself. He fought often, wasn't boring and as far as I remember, never avoided a fighter.

I always thought that he would have flattened De La Hoya if they had met peak to peak at 130, 135 and at 140lbs.

Damn shame he never retired when he was 87-0.

Obviously he ranks higher than Oscar as a p4p.

I always thought de la Hoya was faster and more mobile at the lower weights and he could bang. Although only young I felt his better work was at 135/140. Conversely Chavez was probably not at his best at 140. Oscar had a great chin, so it's whether you think he'd survive the body attack. If Taylor can get to within a few seconds of victory over Chavez I certainly wouldn't be expecting Oscar to get rolled and I wouldn't write him off against 'prime' Chavez - if you think jcc was still prime at 140 - presumably the younger uncle rog/Taylor version.

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