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Post by GunsGermsV2 Mon 28 Nov 2016, 11:44 am

First topic message reminder :

Interesting article from Stuff.co.nz re the dicipine of the top four sides in world rugby:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/86846127/digging-the-data-do-the-all-blacks-really-get-away-with-murder

Ireland are the most disciplined side in world rugby at them moment as pretty much everyone knows. NZ and Australia are quite ill disciplined.

For me though the thing that grinds is how NZ literally havent got a red card since 1967 when Colin Meads kicked a Scottish player in Murrayfield. They have definitely merited one or two since then.


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Post by Cyril Mon 28 Nov 2016, 7:18 pm

Munchkin wrote:
Cyril wrote:
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aucklandlaurie wrote:
New Zealand are only cynical dirty players when they beat Ireland.


We didn't complain after losing in 2013 angel

That was a hugely physical game, but one with not so much controversy. Ireland failed to close the game out, and that's what many Ireland supporters voiced at the time.

It's rare that Ireland supporters blame the opposing side for Ireland loses.
Kinda true, it's normally the ref who gets the complaints from you guys.

It's normally players/coach that incur the wrath for loses. Occasionally supporters will vent righteous  angel indignation towards a poor refereeing display. Recently, Peyper and Barnes have been on the receiving end. Peyper deserves it mad
The problem being you end up with a reputation of not wanting to be reffed by certain individuals and the whole moral high ground dissolves.

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Post by ebop Mon 28 Nov 2016, 7:31 pm

Peyper damn near handed Ireland the win on a plate so it's baffling to see him taking the blame for the loss to the ABs
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Post by ebop Mon 28 Nov 2016, 7:32 pm

Ireland scored a try from a maul or push over of some description in Chicago didn't they? Anyone see the ball hit the grass?
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Post by SecretFly Mon 28 Nov 2016, 7:38 pm

I did.......................... I happened to be in the right place in the stands to see it perfectly........................................................................

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Post by SecretFly Mon 28 Nov 2016, 7:38 pm

Whistle

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Post by ebop Mon 28 Nov 2016, 7:42 pm

Lol

Benefit of the doubt goes to you SecretFly
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Post by Guest Mon 28 Nov 2016, 7:49 pm

If Peyper did his job, the ABs would have been reduced to 12 men.

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Post by ebop Mon 28 Nov 2016, 8:03 pm

If Peyper did his job he would have had a closer look at Sexton's head high tackle on Barrett and Trimble's deliberate knock down of a final potential try scoring pass. Two 'potential' binning offences that were simply swept away into the ether. And the Smith binning which was unwarranted. The ABs could have made some hay had a more even referee been in charge. And that's not mentioning the countless minor infringements like hands in scrum, offside and diving off feet that Ireland weren't penalised for that disadvantaged the ABs and gave a leg up to the home team. Yeah, Peyper was poor alright. Shockingly poor.
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Post by Cyril Mon 28 Nov 2016, 8:04 pm

Munchkin wrote:If Peyper did his job, the ABs would have been reduced to 12 men.
Yeah, but imagine the embarrassment of being beaten by 12 men.

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Post by Guest Mon 28 Nov 2016, 8:10 pm

Cyril wrote:
Munchkin wrote:If Peyper did his job, the ABs would have been reduced to 12 men.
Yeah, but imagine the embarrassment of being beaten by 12 men.

Like I imagine Trump will deliver world peace.

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Post by SecretFly Mon 28 Nov 2016, 8:12 pm

Cyril wrote:
Munchkin wrote:If Peyper did his job, the ABs would have been reduced to 12 men.
Yeah, but imagine the embarrassment of being beaten by 12 men.

That's what I said when I was sent down for my first life term.

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Post by Cyril Mon 28 Nov 2016, 8:13 pm

Munchkin wrote:
Cyril wrote:
Munchkin wrote:If Peyper did his job, the ABs would have been reduced to 12 men.
Yeah, but imagine the embarrassment of being beaten by 12 men.

Like I imagine Trump will deliver world peace.
Just ask SecretFly, Trump's no.1 supporter Smile

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Post by SecretFly Mon 28 Nov 2016, 8:13 pm

Munchkin wrote:
Cyril wrote:
Munchkin wrote:If Peyper did his job, the ABs would have been reduced to 12 men.
Yeah, but imagine the embarrassment of being beaten by 12 men.

Like I imagine Trump will deliver world peace.

He has a lot of home house cleaning to do before he gets around to the rest of the world. World Eternal Peace will come in the 2nd four years

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Post by SecretFly Mon 28 Nov 2016, 8:14 pm

Cyril wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Cyril wrote:
Munchkin wrote:If Peyper did his job, the ABs would have been reduced to 12 men.
Yeah, but imagine the embarrassment of being beaten by 12 men.

Like I imagine Trump will deliver world peace.
Just ask SecretFly, Trump's no.1 supporter Smile

I'm having a good year! Cool Now if only I could pick off the Euro Millions before the year turns....

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Post by Cyril Mon 28 Nov 2016, 8:17 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Cyril wrote:
Munchkin wrote:If Peyper did his job, the ABs would have been reduced to 12 men.
Yeah, but imagine the embarrassment of being beaten by 12 men.

That's what I said when I was sent down for my first life term.  
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Post by Guest Mon 28 Nov 2016, 8:37 pm

Cyril wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Cyril wrote:
Munchkin wrote:If Peyper did his job, the ABs would have been reduced to 12 men.
Yeah, but imagine the embarrassment of being beaten by 12 men.

Like I imagine Trump will deliver world peace.
Just ask SecretFly, Trump's no.1 supporter Smile

heh, not even Trump supporters believe Trump will deliver world peace. The hawks are rubbing their hands.

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Post by Guest Mon 28 Nov 2016, 8:38 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Cyril wrote:
Munchkin wrote:If Peyper did his job, the ABs would have been reduced to 12 men.
Yeah, but imagine the embarrassment of being beaten by 12 men.

Like I imagine Trump will deliver world peace.

He has a lot of home house cleaning to do before he gets around to the rest of the world.  World Eternal Peace will come in the 2nd four years

Nostradamus would be proud Cool

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Post by Rugby Fan Mon 28 Nov 2016, 8:41 pm

Great New Zealand players have been no strangers to the dark arts and cynical play. It would be a surprise if they were, since top teams and players from across the world have always combined skill and mental strength with the desire to get one over an opponent.

As mentioned on the other thread about cards, NZ players may not have been shown reds on the field, but they've certainly received them after the event. In the days before citing, cameras also picked up All Black foul play which would have draw red if spotted. Jamie Joseph stamping on Kyran Bracken comes to mind.

Again, the All Blacks aren't alone in committing these offences, but the absence of on-field reds means they've either been luckier, or just a lot shrewder in picking moments.




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Post by ChequeredJersey Tue 29 Nov 2016, 12:24 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:
GunsGermsV2 wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:
New Zealand are only cynical dirty players when they beat Ireland.


I think the stats disagree with you Laurie. Why do New Zealander's struggle with criticism so much?

I mean there are pages and pages of rugby articles in Ireland that praise New Zealand too.


 I am a New Zealander, I only struggle with criticism when its not valid or warranted. There was no criticism of New Zealand after the Chicago game, there was no criticism after the Italian game (Even though some Irish very utterly disrespectful to New Zealand for having the audacity to recognise and  respect fallen New Zealand soldiers who perished in Italy without getting clearance from Ireland first) there was no no criticism of New Zealand after the game in Paris.

But after the game in Dublin the outrage from the Irish (some even were so stupid as to suggest that Sam Cane should have been red carded) was deafening. the fact that new Zealand won that game shows that some Irish are disrespectful bad losers, the others are the authors of pages and pages of rugby articles that praise New Zealand. Its up to you which camp you decide to join.

I'm English, I like the ABs, and I think that if there is to be any consistency in world rugby then Cane should have had a red. A harsh red but that's the way the game is generally now refereed
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Post by GunsGermsV2 Tue 29 Nov 2016, 4:22 pm

ebop wrote:Peyper damn near handed Ireland the win on a plate so it's baffling to see him taking the blame for the loss to the ABs

I think we lost fair and square. Id just like to see NZ sanctioned for dangerous play the same way everyone else was.

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Post by GunsGermsV2 Tue 29 Nov 2016, 4:23 pm

ebop wrote:Ireland scored a try from a maul or push over of some description in Chicago didn't they? Anyone see the ball hit the grass?

No no one did yet there is photographic evidence that Ben Smith was in touch for his try. The pushover try should have been a penalty try in any case.

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