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Post by neilodonnell on Thu 08 Dec 2016, 2:14 pm

Sky have put out a poster at 1pm and neither of them feature on it. Has it been cancelled?

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Post by lfc91 on Thu 08 Dec 2016, 2:50 pm

Be a big blow for the card if they did. Most of the casuals I know are buying it mainly for this fight.

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Post by neilodonnell on Thu 08 Dec 2016, 2:53 pm

I guess I must be a casual then too as I am looking forward to it.

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Post by lfc91 on Thu 08 Dec 2016, 2:55 pm

neilodonnell wrote:I guess I must be a casual then too as I am looking forward to it.

Don't think it makes you a casual to be excited about this fight. Just most of my friends who watch only a handful of fights a year are citing this as the main reason for wanting to see it. Would no doubt be more interesting than the Joshua beat down that will follow.

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Post by neilodonnell on Thu 08 Dec 2016, 2:57 pm

Most definitely. Can't get too excited about the main event. Don't know much about Conception but it's meant to be a huge test for Yafai.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 08 Dec 2016, 3:35 pm

It's a stinker......Chisora is a useless lump and Whyte will box him at long range..

Chisora stinks.....and Whyte's last two fights have stunk..

Don't fall for it.

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Post by hazharrison on Thu 08 Dec 2016, 8:18 pm

Del fined £30k. PPV sales rocket - Hearn profits. Sickening.

How much did Haye get fined for clipping Bellew? £30k for throwing a balsa wood table. Unbelievable.

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Post by aja424 on Thu 08 Dec 2016, 8:35 pm

Omg, just watching the presser now. So fake and put on, embarrassing.

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Post by milkyboy on Thu 08 Dec 2016, 9:15 pm

hazharrison wrote:Del fined £30k. PPV sales rocket - Hearn profits. Sickening.

How much did Haye get fined for clipping Bellew? £30k for throwing a balsa wood table. Unbelievable.

Robert Smith of the bbbc was disgusted by the chisora incident though haz. Strong language. That told them. When are they going to punish the clowns that organise the events for failing to control their dogs?

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 08 Dec 2016, 10:03 pm

Token at best..


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Post by bhb001 on Fri 09 Dec 2016, 7:30 am

£30k and a two year SUSPENDED ban plus no longer for the British Heavyweight Title. So that means it's a nothing fight then, which, to be fair, it was before the incident! Link below. Agree with most sentiments; a total joke

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/38255718

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Post by hazharrison on Fri 09 Dec 2016, 9:04 am

This is exploitation. You put two fighters like Whyte and Chisora in a room and encourage them to insult one another then this type of showing out is inevitable.

What's worse: throwing a cardboard table (where no one was hurt) or punching someone?

Hearn should be dragged in and fined for encouraging this tripe to sell PPV. He's the guy dragging boxing through the dirt.

Desperate for Del to put Whyte to bed.

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Post by Rowley on Fri 09 Dec 2016, 9:42 am

Agree 100% Haz, Hearn made this fight hoping this would happen and promoted it in that belief. Ask yourself when was the last time a chief support had a Gloves are Off? I can't recall that happening. It didn't happen this time because Chisora and Whyte are engaging speakers or great wits by any stretch, it happened knowing damned well one of them would kick off.

If you promote a fight hoping it kicks off you should have to deal with the fall out when it happens, not get away with offering some mealy mouthed statement about how the thing you have actively encouraged is disgusting, it doesn't wash.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 09 Dec 2016, 9:53 am

There were handbags at City v Chelsea on Saturday..and both clubs will be punished for the actions of the players.

Yes they have just gone for the easy target in Derek. Who did need admonishing.

Probably scared to go for the bigger one.

Hearn's show and we have had glasses chucked already..

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Post by hazharrison on Fri 09 Dec 2016, 11:33 am

Rowley wrote:Agree 100% Haz, Hearn made this fight hoping this would happen and promoted it in that belief. Ask yourself when was the last time a chief support had a Gloves are Off? I can't recall that happening. It didn't happen this time because Chisora and Whyte are engaging speakers or great wits by any stretch, it happened knowing damned well one of them would kick off.

If you promote a fight hoping it kicks off you should have to deal with the fall out when it happens, not get away with offering some mealy mouthed statement about how the thing you have actively encouraged is disgusting, it doesn't wash.

It's really peed me off. When it all went off on TGAO you can see Hearn grinning while everyone else clears the room. And his sidekick Koogs is like the ghost at the feast. Fast Eddie's comments that they have to "get the mix right" is infuriating. So veiled death threats, insults and pushing are Ok but don't step over the line. We're talking trained fighters here.

I hate the whole pre-fight carnival. Face-offs, standing nose to nose - there's no need for all that. Part of boxing's appeal was that two men could fight but show respect to one another before and after the contest.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 09 Dec 2016, 11:48 am

I like grudge matches........Loved Starling v Honeyghan...Happy to see Boxers disrespecting eachother....Don't want them being too nice..

In the good old days Boxers weren't always respectful...Holmes v Cooney made money on race baiting...As plenty of fights did before..

I don't like violence being used a marketing tool however.....

Haye smacking Bellew.........Glasses chucked at eachother.......Now a table......

All at PPVs where the main events are very one sided..........

I'll be going out for a meal tomorrow night.....Haven't bought any of Josh's PPVs....

Nothing personal just waiting for him to step up..

But If you are going to purchase...Hope it is a good night for you..


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Post by milkyboy on Fri 09 Dec 2016, 11:54 am

It's a sign of the times. People love this 'drama'. We have panto build up, circus judging. We're only choreographed fight sequences away from full on WWF.

I said it on the bbbc thread, it's a shame sky and Eddie don't put the same amount of effort into securing decent fights as they do in trumpeting the sh*t ones they feed us. They're equally culpable.... but far easier to slap a fine on the fall guy than risk the wrath of the money men.

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Post by aja424 on Fri 09 Dec 2016, 4:08 pm

The whole table incident was cringe worthy. Also the 'beef' immediately prior to that was equally as embarrassing.

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Post by catchweight on Fri 09 Dec 2016, 6:57 pm

The bbbc are nobodies. They have no real authority. They fined fury one time and he just didnt pay because he said he was broke at the time. The bbbc just let it go silently. They are afraid to administer any proper punishments because if they do, a promter or fighter or network will refuse to play ball and it will expose how little authority they really have. And the robert smiths will be worried about their jobs.

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Post by Atila on Fri 09 Dec 2016, 7:40 pm

Agree with you catchweight, the BBBC have no authority. Not getting at you, but whose fault is it that the BBBC is weak?

Fight fans, and some of the posters on this very board were quite happy to buy Haye v Chisora, which helped to undermine the BBBC.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sat 10 Dec 2016, 10:01 am

Wonder if Derick's got one last hurrah in him

Not inconceivable

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Post by catchweight on Sat 10 Dec 2016, 2:28 pm

With Whyte I dont see why hes such a handy favourite with the bookmakers over Chisora. Hes looked pretty ordinary when I have seen him. Maybe people feel Chisora is past it? If he can box to the level he has been at for most of his career then he looks to be a better fighter than Whyte for me. 3/1 seems like a good price on Chisora.

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Post by seanmichaels on Sat 10 Dec 2016, 3:43 pm

Anyway of getting this ppv with BT as provider?

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Post by Guest on Sat 10 Dec 2016, 6:39 pm

Apparently you can now watch it via a Sky Box office stream service.

http://www.skysports.com/joshua/news/34644/10689096/1

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Post by Group Cpt Lionel Mandrake on Sat 10 Dec 2016, 11:26 pm

This isn't too bad!

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Post by Baby faced assassin on Sat 10 Dec 2016, 11:51 pm

Don't like either of them.....

But dayum that was amazing

One of the best heavyweight wars ive ever seen

Whyte with the SD
Cracking effort just feel chisora just didn't quite have enough left in the tank after a hard career
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Post by Jermaine2015 on Sat 10 Dec 2016, 11:52 pm

Whyte wins by split decision. 115-113, 115-113 114-115

Chisora's career could've been so much better if he was in better condition. Whyte is rubbish

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Post by owen10ozzy on Sat 10 Dec 2016, 11:57 pm

It was fun...but plaudits I've seen on twitter etc already are way over the top..even saying one of the best heavyweight wars is doing past era's and wars a huge disservice.

Chisora took two minutes off every round for the last 6 rounds...Whyte didn't have enough in the tank to sustain any attack longer than 20/25 seconds a round..and the actual boxing ability of both is beyond terrible.

It was what it was....a fun domestic battle..which 10 years ago you would have seen on Friday Fight Night or undercard of a normal Saturday nights card.

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Post by Happytravelling on Sat 10 Dec 2016, 11:57 pm

Despite everything, it's been a really good card.

Whyte v Chisora was actually really entertaining and was worthy of a draw and rematch.

Yafai was great.

Quigg performance really good.

Burton v frank was a really good fight to.

Really enjoyed it.

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Post by Happytravelling on Sat 10 Dec 2016, 11:59 pm

And now we're going to watch Molina served up....

I'd go out now, if the local bars weren't already closing

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Post by owen10ozzy on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 12:03 am

Happy...

Definitely agree it's been a fun little card...Yafai performance was excellent...Quigg looked decent (although think he gets eaten alive by a true Featherweight) and the Burton vs Frank was a great match up..

However as I mentioned a moment ago, it's the type of card that you would have seen 10-15 years ago on a normal saturday night on skysports. Yet because Hearn has total control...Joshua is an exciting prospect and a couple of guys chucked tables/bottles about...it's PPV.

Apart from Joshua...everyone on that card was up until Yafai winning, a European/British level fighter at best..even Kal who is now a world champion was buried behind a 2 fight female novice, a guy returning from losing his first massive test and two heavyweights who have been beaten by the best they faced.

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Post by Happytravelling on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 12:12 am

I don't disagree. I didn't pay.

Think you underplay quigg's performance. He KO'd a lad Santa Cruz went the distance with, not long ago.

It's a better card then I thought. Doesn't mean it deserves to be a ppv.

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Post by Happytravelling on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 12:21 am

Molina was gutted and filleted in 3 rounds.

Too much power from Joshua.

Was every bit the work out we thought it would be.

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Post by Happytravelling on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 12:34 am

Tears are in my eyes. Froch has just said he's tired of hearing about how he won in front of 80k at Wembley arena! Haha

Classy promotion of the Joshua v klit fight. Wlad is a great champ. But can't see Joshua losing. Too heavy handed and wlad not got the chin.

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Post by B.A. BARACUS on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 12:36 am

Why on earth the media keep blowing smoke up Anthony Joshua's rear end is beyond me.

His level of opposition is shocking.

His opponent tonight barely through a punch and looked like he was bricking it from the first bell onwards.

Matchroom should be embarrassed in putting these stiffs in front on AJ and yet the gullible british public probably think he's the next Ali.

It's hard to gauge how good Joshua is as his opposition to date has been pi$$ poor. His toughest opponent so far has been dillian whyte and he's nothing better than british level.

From what i have seen, Joshua is likely to get chinned when he steps into the ring with a genuine world class fighter.

Wlad is next and whilst it's a huge step up, Klitschko showed against Fury that he is looking old and his gun shy style is perfect for AJ.

Rubbish like this should not be a main event on PPV, i've watched nearly all of Joshua's fights and never paid for any of them because they are simply set up to nothing more than glorified sparring sessions.

Poor.

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Post by catchweight on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 1:15 am

His opposition so far has been dreadfully hard to get interested in. Not only are overmatched, but they are arriving with next to no ambition having already secured a decent paycheque. That always makes for a pointless contest. Molina was never going to be a threat but from the reports of the fights appears to have fallen short of even the lowliest expectations. Its obviously a cash generating formula but I do wonder if the walkovers and lack of resistance so far will harm Joshua if he makes the real step up as expected next year.

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Post by Happytravelling on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 1:21 am

Sorry B.A., you're confused. You think there is a deep vein of HW talent or there.

'Klitschko showed against Fury that he is looking old and his gun shy'

Klitschko is as good as it gets at HW. There's a few who may argue wilder is the best but that's a matter of opinion.

Klitschko was 'gun shy' against fury but his style for over a decade has been to use his superior reach to keep anybody dangerous at length, and tie them up if they got close. Fortunately for wlad, most of his opponents have been smaller than him. So, this had been good effective but full modus operandi. But fury was different. Bigger, more skilled and had a punch. It confused wlad. Fury had the reach to keep him at distance and used that to stop him wrapping fury up. And being a decent puncher wlad was petrified to 'open up' unless he got caught.

Joshua will be even worse. Not only bigger, with a long reach, but a big puncher.

But your criticisms of Joshua are unfounded. Here's just that good.

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Post by Group Cpt Lionel Mandrake on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 1:30 am



everyone on that card was up until Yafai winning, a European/British level fighter at best


I'm less interested in levels and more interested in seeing good match ups and fights. The card delivered.

I guess the debate is if it's PPV should it deliver high level or high quality. It can do either or both in my opinion

Main fight was garbage though as expected

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Post by Group Cpt Lionel Mandrake on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 1:39 am



Klitschko is as good as it gets at HW


Yes and no. He was as good as he needed to be, or at least he was as good as needed to bear the crap contenders that were around in his era.

I like and admire Wlad for what he did, but let's be honest about his abilities. He's a big man but he's not a fighter. Exposed for a very weak chin. Back to the drawing board under Steward and developed a safety first style that maximised his advantage (size) and minimised his weaknesses (chin).

Whether it was luck or careful planning, his run of opponents during his reign complimented that approach perfectly.

Right guy at the right time. Apart from his size he would have struggled in past eras against the best.

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Post by catchweight on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 1:44 am

I dont think Klitschko was any more or any less gunshy than his usual self. He fought his same treied and tested formula that had worked for years.

Fury was crafty and moved well enough and jabbed well enough to prevent Klitschko prevent Klitschko settling. Klitschko relies on his jab to control fights and set up his heavy shots. His rigid formula generally doesnt see him lead with big shots that could leave him open. Fury was able to mix it up between switch hitting, jabbing, mixing it up from back foot to front foot that Klitschkos formulaic approach was disrupted. Klitschko was also evidently worried about this before the fight which is why they tried to load the ring so heavy before the fight as to slow Fury down.

Joshua looks a much different fighter to Fury. Much more raw power and athleticism but not the same ringcraft or movement. I dont think Klitschko would take on a fight he didnt think he was going to win and Im surprised at this stage of his career he is still keen to hang around. Im especially surprised hes going to go ahead and take Joshua on away from home after such a long lay off. I guess he must be confident that his experience will prevail. He has sparred Joshua before so he must feel he still has the upper hand. Hes he miscalculated? Or is Joshua being overrated on the back of a pretty lightweight series of opponents?

Either way, I would expect Joshua to be less complicated a puzzle than Fury which should give Klitschko more opportunities to get his punches off in a fight that should reveal whether Joshua is the real deal or not.


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Post by Happytravelling on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 2:03 am

I agree with what both of you say. Wlad had been gun shy for a long time. Only opening up against inferior opposition. There smaller or the more crude. Tying up anybody who got close.

Fury had size, reach and quick feet. Joshua hasn't the latter but he had an awful lot more power.

If he can keep wlad tying him up, he'll knock him out.

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Post by B.A. BARACUS on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 4:38 pm

Happytravelling wrote:Sorry B.A., you're confused. You think there is a deep vein of HW talent or there.

'Klitschko showed against Fury that he is looking old and his gun shy'

Klitschko is as good as it gets at HW. There's a few who may argue wilder is the best but that's a matter of opinion.

Klitschko was 'gun shy' against fury but his style for over a decade has been to use his superior reach to keep anybody dangerous at length, and tie them up if they got close. Fortunately for wlad, most of his opponents have been smaller than him. So, this had been good effective but full modus operandi. But fury was different. Bigger, more skilled and had a punch. It confused wlad. Fury had the reach to keep him at distance and used that to stop him wrapping fury up. And being a decent puncher wlad was petrified to 'open up' unless he got caught.

Joshua will be even worse. Not only bigger, with a long reach, but a big puncher.

But your criticisms of Joshua are unfounded. Here's just that good.

There may not be a breadth of heavyweight talent around at the moment but there is certainly better fighters out there than the likes of Dominic Breazeale and Eric Molina etc.

I can forgive him the Charles martin fight because even though martin was completely sh!t, at least it was for the title - however meaningless that is nowadays.

Whether AJ is that good remains to be seen, at the moment it is difficult to say as his opposition has been pathetic.

As for my criticisms of him being unfounded, i think they are completely justified.

I don't blame Joshua for taking the path of least resistance at this stage in his career, especially when you consider the amount of money he is making. I mean when you can make 2 million quid for beating someone as limited as Molina then who wouldn't sign up for these kind of walkover fights.

However that doesn't mean he is beyond criticism. He will have some kind of say in his choice of opponent and thus far he has been happy to keep rolling over a succession of stiffs whilst claiming he is still learning his craft.

Sorry but when you are a heavyweight champion that excuse just doesn't wash.

To be fair to him Joshua seems a down to earth kind of bloke and i wish him well but it's the constant adulation thrown his way by sky and the media in general which i find annoying. He hasn't even fought a top ten fighter yet.

Molina barely threw a punch yesterday and was clearly out of his depth yet when Joshua stopped him, you would have thought he's just beaten an ATG with the way the sky team were eulogizing over his performance.

It remains to be seen how his career pans out but i think he is heading for a fall when he steps up in class.

There are parallels to be drawn with Audley Harrisons career. Both are olympic champions who turned pro with much fanfare and then fought a steady stream of pi$$ poor fighters which flattered their abilities.

Whilst i think Joshua is better than Audley, i can't help but feel his career will ultimately go the same way - when he steps up in class he will get found out.

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 4:50 pm

How can joshua step up in class?

I hate to break it to you

But there ain't that many good heavyweights

Parker gets steamrolled

Wilder as well

Fury is retired

So that leaves Ortiz haye wlad and povetkin if he gets by stiverne

Not even comparable to Audley

He has been operating at near enough the top level there is

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Post by B.A. BARACUS on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 5:15 pm

BoxingFan88 wrote:How can joshua step up in class?

I hate to break it to you

But there ain't that many good heavyweights

Parker gets steamrolled

Wilder as well

Fury is retired

So that leaves Ortiz haye wlad and povetkin if he gets by stiverne

Not even comparable to Audley

He has been operating at near enough the top level there is

Are you really that stupid?

How can he step up in class - well how about fighting a top 10 ranked fighter?

The best fighter he has taken on is dillian whyte!

I didn't realize you could predict the future, how on earth can you say Parker and Wilder get battered as if it's a completely foregone conclusion. I hate to break it to but until they fight nothing is certain.

If you think Skelton, Sprott, Cornish, Whyte etc are the top level of heavyweight boxing then i suggest you stop posting your nonsense and do some research.

There may not be many top level heavyweights out there but there are far better fighters than his recent opposition and personally i'd rather him see take on the likes of wilder, povetkin, ortiz, haye - in fact anyone who actually poses a threat.

His last few opponent have been embarrassing - your obviously easily pleased if your content to keep shelling out for him to beat a succession of bums.

Take my advice, stop lining Eddie Hearn's pockets by watching this lame excuse for championship boxing and watch some decent fights on youtube for free - you might learn a few things too.

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Post by catchweight on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 5:20 pm

Nah, theres  more challenging fights out there than Molina or Breazale. These guys are being brought in to be punchbags to enhance Joshua's image to the public.

Ortiz was on the same card as Joshua, and would have been a much better test. But he can box a bit, so he might make Joshua look bad.

There is a shortage of talent out there, but with Joshua its been careful manufacturing of an image and a brand so far in order to make safe money.

On the bright side, the walkovers should be over now. The phase of building the Joshua brand has been completed. 2017 should be the proof of the pudding starting with Klitschko.

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Post by Pedro147 on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 5:29 pm

Povetkin, Ortiz, Lucas Browne and maybe even David Price are better than what Joshua has chosen to fight.

That’s before you even mention the likes of Wlad, Fury or Wilder.

Whether it’s Joshua’s fault or his team’s fault, it’s really annoying as his opposition is terrible. But as long as he’s selling out arenas or large PPV numbers then nothing will change. Then the more he beats stiffs then the more Sky can push the PPV - “Undefeated olympic gold medalist Anthony Joshua, 18 fights with 18 KO’s.......fill in the name of any opponent and how dangerous he’ll be” then he keeps selling.

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 6:13 pm

Molina was top 10 according to boxrec

Shouldn't you get behind someone who is a genuine talent from Britain for once??

Parker ain't anything joshua will beat him easily if you know anything about boxing it's easy to see

Joshua has been built the right way and that step up isn't going to be as big as you think

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Post by catchweight on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 6:39 pm

If one was to know anything about boxing, they would see through the cynical development of Joshua into a ppv attraction and promotional cash cow. Nothing wrong with boxing fans objecting to crap fights being sold and packaged on ppv.

As or Joshua's development, what will we have learned from fighting a bunch of guys brought in to be human punchbags? Not much i guess, although he will be richer for it. Maybe it wont matter ultimately. Or maybe he will be in for a shock when he meets a better standard of fighter. There is going to be a massive step up from Molina to the top heavyweights in the division despite what boxrec did or didnt say.

Its Klitschko next hopefully though. So given whats out there currently, thats about as good as it gets. Hopefully the lack of competitive fights or limited opponents wont cost Joshua in tht one.

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 6:58 pm

It will be Klitchsko press conference is on Wednesday

I'm sure people will find some reason to discredit that as well

He has been out for 18 months after all

Yeah he is beating stiffs, but actually look at what he is doing, you don't need a stellar opponent in there to see a stellar talent

I mean Wilder took 9 rounds with Molina and had some trouble

Joshua blitzed him, because he has excellent Fundamentals and he is improving at a rapid rate

He might get chinned sure, but when he steps up he has the skills and talent to compete and beat any of them

We should get behind him, he has all the more casual fans interested in the sport, which is very good for boxing and he is the most talented and exciting heavyweight we have had since Lennox Lewis

Enjoy the ride

I didn't buy the PPV yesterday because I didn't think it was worth it, but loads of people said they had a great night, if you didn't buy it then what's to complain about?

They didn't get your money

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Post by Happytravelling on Sun 11 Dec 2016, 7:17 pm

With the exception of fury, wilder and Povetkin, nearly every potential opponent for Joshua comes with significant questions.

Fury is retired, wilder is doing the same as others are accusing Joshua and Povetkin has had drug problems and been lined up to fight others.

Accusations will be raised that Ortiz, Parker or Browne have been unspectacular and untested. Wlad and Haye will be called past it.

Basically, they're all flawed.

But Molina was ranked in top ten by boxrec. He was coming off a win to Adamek, the best of his career, and had wilder had fought him, as champ, and was a good yard stick. Further, wilder had almost twice as many fights before facing Molina and took a lot longer (as well as being troubled by him).

It wasn't a fight I paid to see because I think Joshua is that far ahead of Molina, in my opinion.

But, as a real talent in the division, getting fights isn't easy, so I give him latitude. But now he's got wlad.

Personally, the only boxers I think will possibly challenge him are fury, Povetkin and possibly Haye.

Wlad had largely fought limited large men and talented smaller men he could keep at reach and tie up, when needed. Fury fought a great fight but he had the footwork and reach to do it. He left wlad in no man's land, not able to hold but still scared of fury's power.

I think Joshua is simply to strong and is big enough that he will catch wlad at some point. When he does, wlad will go night night.

Wilder is limited and, if rumours are to be believed, a weak chin.

Browne and Parker are just too limited.

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