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Post by nathan Mon 20 Feb 2017, 9:01 pm

First topic message reminder :

28 players that have been kept.

Forwards (16): Jack Clifford (Harlequins), Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers), Charlie Ewels (Bath), Jamie George (Saracens), Teimana Harrison (Northampton Saints), Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints), James Haskell (Wasps), Nathan Hughes (Wasps), Maro Itoje (Saracens), Joe Launchbury (Wasps), Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints), Joe Marler (Harlequins), Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins), Mako Vunipola (Saracens), Mike Williams (Leicester Tigers), Tom Wood (Northampton Saints)

Backs (12): Mike Brown (Harlequins), Danny Care (Harlequins), Elliot Daly (Wasps), Owen Farrell (Saracens), George Ford (Bath), Jonathan Joseph (Bath), Jonny May (Gloucester), Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs), Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs), Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors), Anthony Watson (Bath), Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers)

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Post by Geordie Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:46 pm

Its like watching a Divison North One East game

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Post by kingelderfield Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:46 pm

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Is Poite not correct? If Italy only have one player making the tackle its not a ruck? It only becomes a ruck if the defence commits another player to the breakdown?

Best bet to get around it would be for the tackled player to pick the ball up and carry on.

My understanding is you're correct on both counts

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Post by tigertattie Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:47 pm

This is the twilight zone
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Post by EnglishReign Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:47 pm

Thoroughly deserved, you have to say. We need a rocket up our backsides.

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Post by Guest Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:47 pm

Aim for the posts and score a try off the rebound. O'Shea's tactics are out of this world.

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Post by Geordie Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:47 pm

Hilarious!!! Well at least we're getting the bad game out of the way so we should be good for Scotland and Ireland.

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Post by Scottrf Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:48 pm

Cole and Hughes have 6 pens and 3 knockons between them?

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Post by Geordie Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:48 pm

EnglishReign wrote:Thoroughly deserved, you have to say. We need a rocket up our backsides.

And I have NO doubts they'll be getting one!!!

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:48 pm

Lol..

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Post by Heaf Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:49 pm

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GeordieFalcon wrote:Why did Danny Care kick it???!!!!!!!!

Danny Care lost all composure 30 seconds into the game. He's been panicking ever since.

Not sure why Poite called advantage over for the pen either ...

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Post by tigertattie Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:49 pm

England absolutely sleeping here.

Great for Italy but I can't see jones letting them be like this in the second half or in two weeks against us
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Post by TightHEAD Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:49 pm

Dylan off and stripped of the captaincy and dropped from the squad.

Eddie earn your money in the next hour please.

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Post by mid_gen Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:50 pm

To be fair to Care....not a lot he can do. If Italy aren't forming the ruck and are coming round to cut off his passing options the forwards need to start picking and driving.

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Post by maestegmafia Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:50 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Hilarious!!! Well at least we're getting the bad game out of the way so we should be good for Scotland and Ireland.

Not sure england have a good game yet. Two last minute wins in their last two matches.

Looking very shaken especially up front. Can't understand why England are persisting with losing the forward battle. Get the ball out wide.

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Post by SecretFly Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:51 pm

There are going to be a few black eyes coming back after half time and this time Eddie is going to be dishing them out rather than taking them.

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Post by SecretFly Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:52 pm

Unless Eddie is attempting to show a wounded-duck to his future combatants.


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Post by brennomac Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:52 pm

Is Hughes seriously the next best 8 in England after Billy V? Surely not - useless lump!

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Post by nathan Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:52 pm

Hughes needs changing, think Care isn't having the best of time either.

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Post by TightHEAD Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:52 pm

Ruckgate.
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Post by Manu's Boxing Coach Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:53 pm

mid_gen wrote:To be fair to Care....not a lot he can do. If Italy aren't forming the ruck and are coming round to cut off his passing options the forwards need to start picking and driving.

It might help if he stops passing to Italy players mind. I understand the tactis emloyed by Italy are something they wouldnt have prepared for but Care has provided absolutely zero direction from scrum half. If Ben Youngs had done the same people would be calling for his head.

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Post by kingelderfield Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:54 pm

The forwards have to, have to take control of ruck non ruck situation.

They need to get physical, nasty physical.

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Post by EnglishReign Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:55 pm

Hopefully soon they realise players rushing forward opens up space ahead...

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Post by SecretFly Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:56 pm

kingelderfield wrote:The forwards have to, have to take control of ruck non ruck situation.

They need to get physical, nasty physical.

And will. Because I'm sure Eddie is telling a few people their International careers might be cut short if they don't go out and man-up.

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Post by TightHEAD Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:56 pm

The England forwards need to us their brains, think on their feet and get on with it.
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Post by Heaf Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:56 pm

EnglishReign wrote:Hopefully soon they realise players rushing forward opens up space ahead...

indeed

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Post by Guest Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:57 pm

Dallaglio's face! Very Happy

Priceless!

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Post by mid_gen Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:57 pm

Care can't deal with this though, if the England forwards just keep being dumb and piling into a ruck that isn't a ruck and waiting for him to get stuck with the ball and No options there's nothing he can do.

Forwards have to rustle together some brain cells abd counter this tactic.

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Post by kingelderfield Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:58 pm

Bonus point?

You betcha baby!

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:58 pm

English forwards using all the muscles except the one that matters. If it's not a ruck and you have been tackled, get up and play the ball
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Post by TightHEAD Sun 26 Feb 2017, 3:58 pm

This is a classic example of a modern rugby player, just unable to think for themselves.

Hopefully Eddie sets them straight
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Post by EnglishReign Sun 26 Feb 2017, 4:00 pm

Guarantee it'll be all rucks in the 2nd half now Very Happy

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sun 26 Feb 2017, 4:00 pm

TightHEAD wrote:The England forwards need to us their brains, think on their feet and get on with it.

It would help if the English forwards had brains.

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Post by TightHEAD Sun 26 Feb 2017, 4:01 pm

Why did the Italian No9 fake an injury?
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Post by lostinwales Sun 26 Feb 2017, 4:01 pm

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Is Poite not correct? If Italy only have one player making the tackle its not a ruck? It only becomes a ruck if the defence commits another player to the breakdown?

Best bet to get around it would be for the tackled player to pick the ball up and carry on.


Hughes did that

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Post by TightHEAD Sun 26 Feb 2017, 4:02 pm

On the plus side we are still in losing BP range.
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Post by formerly known as Sam Sun 26 Feb 2017, 4:02 pm

Scottrf wrote:Cole and Hughes have 6 pens and 3 knockons between them?

I think for the maul pen against Cole, Poite calls the wrong number. Cole clearly comes straight through the middle. There's at least one other England player in at the side but Cole is seen running back once the maul splinters and so gets called out incorrectly.

Care and Launchbury need to go for me. Care looks clueless and Launchbury is little better. Sadly we need to keep Hughes on as there's not another big 8.

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Post by SecretFly Sun 26 Feb 2017, 4:02 pm

England will play this much quicker and those Italian boys are going to be breathless

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Post by Manu's Boxing Coach Sun 26 Feb 2017, 4:02 pm

To be fair, every team has a way of playing that is dependant on rucks being formed to create their phaseplay. England do need to be thinking better. But this tactic would confuse many a side imo.

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Post by Guest Sun 26 Feb 2017, 4:03 pm

Strange 1st half but very entertaining Smile Who would have believed Italy would win the 1st half?

Sure England will have sorted themselves out now, and claim a bonus point win.

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Post by Geordie Sun 26 Feb 2017, 4:04 pm

That's one reason why Daly at FB would make sense.

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Post by EnglishReign Sun 26 Feb 2017, 4:04 pm

Daly just oozes effortless class.

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Post by kingelderfield Sun 26 Feb 2017, 4:04 pm

Daly is our new 15

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Post by Geordie Sun 26 Feb 2017, 4:06 pm

Looks like the hairdryer treatment has worked

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Post by kingelderfield Sun 26 Feb 2017, 4:07 pm

Farrell is crap Wink

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Post by tigertattie Sun 26 Feb 2017, 4:08 pm

Hmmm. Call me picky, but Care didn't kick that for his quick penalty
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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sun 26 Feb 2017, 4:09 pm

And here is Italy's second half meltdown...

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Post by lostinwales Sun 26 Feb 2017, 4:09 pm

And finally we adapt. There will be a few more now

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Post by Geordie Sun 26 Feb 2017, 4:09 pm

Well they've clicked on to the ruck issue.

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Post by marty2086 Sun 26 Feb 2017, 4:09 pm

And Te'o passed forward for that

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Post by tigertattie Sun 26 Feb 2017, 4:09 pm

Eddie Jones seems to have earned his salary at half time
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