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Post by George Carlin Wed 01 Mar 2017, 7:27 am

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WALES v IRELAND
10 March 2017
KO: 20:05 GMT
Principality Stadium, Cardiff

Live on [ITV, RTE, SC4, FR2, DMAX / BBC (H)]

Referee: Wayne Barnes (England)
Touch judges: [tbc]
TMO: [tbc]

A. Head to Head

124 Played 124
50 Won 67
7 Drawn 7
67 Lost 50
1,477 Points 1,381

B. Recent Form

7 February 2016
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
16 – 16 draw

29 August 2015
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
10 – 16 to Wales

8 August 2015
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
21 – 35 to Ireland

14 March 2015
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
23 – 16 to Wales

8 February 2014
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
26 – 3 to Ireland

2 February 2013
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
22 – 30 to Ireland

5 February 2012
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
21 – 23 to Wales

8 October 2011
Regional Stadium, Wellington, New Zealand
22 – 10 to Wales

C. Teams

WALES 
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Halfpenny; North, J Davies, S Williams, L Williams, Biggar, Webb, Evans, Owens, Francis, Ball, A Jones, Warburton, Tipuric, Moriarty.

Replacements: Roberts for S Williams (67), S Davies for Biggar (80), G Davies for Webb (67), Smith for Evans (67), Baldwin for Owens (72), Lee for Francis (70), Charteris for Ball (63), Faletau for Moriarty (67).

IRELAND
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Kearney; Earls, Ringrose, Henshaw, Zebo; Sexton, Murray; McGrath, Best, Furlong, D Ryan, Toner, Stander, O'Brien, Heaslip.

Replacements: Bowe for Kearney (70), Jackson for Sexton (19), Marmion for Murray (46), C Healy for McGrath (59), Scannell for Best (80), J Ryan for Furlong (80), Henderson for Toner (63), O'Mahony for Stander (63).


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Post by Scottrf Fri 10 Mar 2017, 2:57 pm

When is the last example of a team putting an 80 minute performance together? All games are ups and downs.

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Post by Gooseberry Fri 10 Mar 2017, 3:02 pm

EWT Spoons wrote:
Ninjarugby wrote:Does anybody know can Scotland overtake Ireland in the rankings this weekend and if so can Ireland (re)overtake Scotland next week by beating England.
Also can Australia be pushed out to 5th in the rankings by both Ireland/Scotland by the end of the 6 Nations?

Ranking permutations can get confusing sometimes.

Thanks

Yes, yes and don't think so.

If Ireland lose and Scotland win then we get a huge boost by beating England.  Likewise if Ireland beat England then they get the same boost the following week.  Oz I think are too far ahead to be troubled either way, unless there are some insane points scored.

Bear in mind if england have lost to scotland their rating will drop by a good whack, and the Irleand game is a +3 home weighting ..so the rating exhange wouldactually be almost equal for that fixture

Without going to the calculator Im pretty certain that Aus cant end up below Scotland, and Irelands only chance of getting above them is if England retain a high rating by beating Scotland.

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Post by Guest Fri 10 Mar 2017, 3:10 pm

Scottrf wrote:When is the last example of a team putting an 80 minute performance together? All games are ups and downs.

Alright, Mr Pedantic! Wink

It's just a saying. Of course games have ups and downs, otherwise there'd be no score as scores are due to mistakes in defense and infringements. I didn't want to just say 'Wales are due a good game' because some smarty pants would come along and say 'but they had a good game against England'. No, we lost that so IMO it can't be seen as good.

So to rephrase: I hope this is Wales' FIRST good game of the tournament with a good performance overall, and no silly mistakes leading to an end of the game loss.

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Post by SecretFly Fri 10 Mar 2017, 3:10 pm

Luckily enough, we're not trying to beat Australia tonight. Wales will be tough enough. Let's just concentrate on Wales.

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Post by SecretFly Fri 10 Mar 2017, 3:12 pm

Griff wrote: I hope this is Wales' FIRST good game of the tournament with a good performance overall, and no silly mistakes leading to an end of the game loss.

I hope it's Ireland's first good game too.  We left about three tries behind us against France.... tunnel eat-the-dirt vision.

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Post by carpet baboon Fri 10 Mar 2017, 3:13 pm

Tonight will see the first red card of the tournament. I have a feeling.
Or that could be crabs.
Either way I'm gonna feel on edge for the game

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Post by SecretFly Fri 10 Mar 2017, 3:16 pm

carpet baboon wrote:Tonight will see the first red card of the tournament. I have a feeling.
Or that could be crabs.
Either way I'm gonna feel on edge for the game

Oh shut it, carpet. Don't bring that into the equation. You know for a fact that if it's a Red then it's a Green one..

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Post by TightHEAD Fri 10 Mar 2017, 3:24 pm

I just hope the game is entertaining, these two have been boring to watch so far. Kick chase, aerial pin pong is not good entertainment.
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Post by EWT Spoons Fri 10 Mar 2017, 3:32 pm

Gooseberry wrote:
EWT Spoons wrote:
Ninjarugby wrote:Does anybody know can Scotland overtake Ireland in the rankings this weekend and if so can Ireland (re)overtake Scotland next week by beating England.
Also can Australia be pushed out to 5th in the rankings by both Ireland/Scotland by the end of the 6 Nations?

Ranking permutations can get confusing sometimes.

Thanks

Yes, yes and don't think so.

If Ireland lose and Scotland win then we get a huge boost by beating England.  Likewise if Ireland beat England then they get the same boost the following week.  Oz I think are too far ahead to be troubled either way, unless there are some insane points scored.

Bear in mind if england have lost to scotland their rating will drop by a good whack, and the Irleand game is a +3 home weighting ..so the rating exhange wouldactually be almost equal for that fixture

Without going to the calculator Im pretty certain that Aus cant end up below Scotland, and Irelands only chance of getting above them is if England retain a high rating by beating Scotland.

I factored that into my calculations.

I mean if Scotland thrash England by more than 14 points then yeah it might alter things a bit there, but England are so far ahead points wise in the rankings that it shouldn't matter

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Post by Gwlad Fri 10 Mar 2017, 3:55 pm

Traditionally Wales get better as the tourney goes on but then traditionally we don't lose to Scotland so i predict an Irish hammering. I think we've become so obsessed with defense - just listen to Edwards in any presser - that we've simply forgotten you need to score points, in fact our attack has turned into Scottish attack under Robinson. But all is not lost, if we lose this its another nail in Howley's coffin.

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Post by GunsGermsV2 Fri 10 Mar 2017, 3:57 pm

TightHEAD wrote:I just hope the game is entertaining, these two have been boring to watch so far. Kick chase, aerial pin pong is not good entertainment.  

By contrast England games have been really exciting? laughing

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Post by carpet baboon Fri 10 Mar 2017, 4:19 pm

SecretFly wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:Tonight will see the first red card of the tournament. I have a feeling.
Or that could be crabs.
Either way I'm gonna feel on edge for the game

Oh shut it, carpet.  Don't bring that into the equation.  You know for a fact that if it's a Red then it's a Green one..

Anything is possible. And law of averages should see Wales getting it. I'm going to for webb

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Post by marty2086 Fri 10 Mar 2017, 4:31 pm

carpet baboon wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:Tonight will see the first red card of the tournament. I have a feeling.
Or that could be crabs.
Either way I'm gonna feel on edge for the game

Oh shut it, carpet.  Don't bring that into the equation.  You know for a fact that if it's a Red then it's a Green one..

Anything is possible. And law of averages should see Wales getting it. I'm going to for webb

SOB will definitely be in the bin for repeatedly not rolling away while the Welsh are allowed to slow down to their hearts content thumbsup

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Fri 10 Mar 2017, 4:56 pm

marty2086 wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:Tonight will see the first red card of the tournament. I have a feeling.
Or that could be crabs.
Either way I'm gonna feel on edge for the game

Oh shut it, carpet.  Don't bring that into the equation.  You know for a fact that if it's a Red then it's a Green one..

Anything is possible. And law of averages should see Wales getting it. I'm going to for webb

SOB will definitely be in the bin for repeatedly not rolling away while the Welsh are allowed to slow down to their hearts content thumbsup

As long as he's scored the first try (22/1) by then, I don't mind OK

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Post by poissonrouge Fri 10 Mar 2017, 5:37 pm

EWT Spoons wrote:
Gooseberry wrote:
EWT Spoons wrote:
Ninjarugby wrote:Does anybody know can Scotland overtake Ireland in the rankings this weekend and if so can Ireland (re)overtake Scotland next week by beating England.
Also can Australia be pushed out to 5th in the rankings by both Ireland/Scotland by the end of the 6 Nations?

Yes, yes and don't think so.


Without going to the calculator Im pretty certain that Aus cant end up below Scotland, and Irelands only chance of getting above them is if England retain a high rating by beating Scotland.

1 Scotland go ahead of Ireland if Scotland win and Ireland lose
2. Ireland will overtake Scotland the following week if they beat England unless Scotland beat England by > 15pts
3. Australia can't go below 4th. Ireland can overtake them (by 0.11 ranking points) if they beat Wales and England and England win against Scotland . If Scotland beat England Ireland cannot pass Australia unless they win by >15 pts in one of their games.
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Post by Guest Fri 10 Mar 2017, 6:12 pm

Wales can, once again, drop out of the top 8 if results are poor this tournament and will be a 3rd seed in for the World Cup. But to be honest, there's been such an improvement in teams outside of the 'established 8' of Tri nations and old 5 nations sides (Arg, Japan, Georgia, Italy, Samoa had a spell of being a real challenge, etc.) that I think we'll start seeing much more competitive World Cup groups. It's quite conceivable to have a top 8 of NZ, SA, Aus, Eng, Ireland, Scotland, France, Argentina and then have potential banana skin teams like Wales, Japan, Georgia, Italy, Samoa in your group to cause an upset. 3rd seeds are becoming some decent teams Whistle

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Post by carpet baboon Fri 10 Mar 2017, 6:20 pm

Right. I'm off to watch this game. With a Welshman. I hope the tubby taff is crying later and not me.
Good luck all.

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Post by Gwlad Fri 10 Mar 2017, 6:29 pm

carpet baboon wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:Tonight will see the first red card of the tournament. I have a feeling.
Or that could be crabs.
Either way I'm gonna feel on edge for the game

Oh shut it, carpet.  Don't bring that into the equation.  You know for a fact that if it's a Red then it's a Green one..

Anything is possible. And law of averages should see Wales getting it. I'm going to for webb

I think you are referring to the law of being average. Wales will lose despite flattering to deceive in the first half and defending like Olympians because thats what they do, they are impotent in attack, like Cyril.

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Post by nathan Fri 10 Mar 2017, 7:06 pm

Good luck both teams, cheering for Wales tonight as it will benefit England.

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Post by Rugbyjk Fri 10 Mar 2017, 7:12 pm

Come on Wales!

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Post by Maine man Fri 10 Mar 2017, 7:24 pm

In the states. Does anyone know of any good streams?

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Post by TightHEAD Fri 10 Mar 2017, 7:25 pm

I stocked up on some Brains on the way home 'come on Wales'
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Post by Guest Fri 10 Mar 2017, 7:32 pm

G'WAN IRELAND!!!

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Post by Scottrf Fri 10 Mar 2017, 7:32 pm

No corner crisis today please. Drinking red for Wales. thumbsup

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Post by nathan Fri 10 Mar 2017, 7:59 pm

So they close the roof and then drench the pitch

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Post by lostinwales Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:07 pm

TightHEAD wrote:I stocked up on some Brains on the way home 'come on Wales'


Well some have more need of Brains than others Wink

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Post by doctor_grey Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:08 pm

Hey, I just noticed there is Rugby this evening Run  
And I thought the only match this weekend was England

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:10 pm

Typical Barnes there. Clear steal from Stander, tells him to let go.

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Post by nathan Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:11 pm

Great start to the game.

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Post by Scottrf Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:11 pm

nathan wrote:So they close the roof and then drench the pitch
Only Brains in Wales are behind the bar.

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Post by nathan Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:14 pm

Awful game from Biggar so far

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Post by RDW Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:16 pm

Incredible physicality so far this game!

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Post by Scottrf Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:17 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Incredible physicality so far this game!
Great tempo.

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Post by RDW Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:18 pm

Some huge hits going in from both teams

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Post by tigertattie Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:18 pm

Important question.

Purely in terms of sheer mechanics, how on earth does Liam Williams manage to run? He surely has the oddest legs in world rugby
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Post by nathan Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:18 pm

Ireland will end up with someone in the bin

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Post by Rugbyjk Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:18 pm

Knock kneed

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Post by lostinwales Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:20 pm

harum scarum stuff

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Post by RDW Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:20 pm

Why are Wales forcing so many passes??

Great play biggar

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Post by Scottrf Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:21 pm

Bit of a cut on Best.

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Post by nathan Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:26 pm

I think Sexton won't make the lions at this rate

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Post by Scottrf Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:27 pm

Fair play Webb.

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Post by Rugbyjk Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:27 pm

What a cracking try!

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Post by nathan Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:28 pm

Frak off tmo, nothing wrong with that

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Post by nathan Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:29 pm

Was it really that good a finish? Aim fir the weak shoulder and when you are twice the size you should be finishing those

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Post by nathan Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:31 pm

Great kick by Biggar

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Post by RDW Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:32 pm

That's 2 completely needless penalties Webb had given away this championship

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Post by nathan Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:33 pm

AWJ straight in at the side

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Post by Scottrf Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:33 pm

Barnes loves the Irish.

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Post by nathan Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:35 pm

Scottrf wrote:Barnes loves the Irish.

He did in that case

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