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Post by munkian Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:54 am

First topic message reminder :

Welsh squad remains the same for the showdown in Paris.

Would have swapped over Halfpenny and Williams personally

Halfpenny, North, Davies, S William, L Williams; Biggar, Webb; Evans, Owens, Francis, Ball, AW Jones (capt), Warburton, Tipuric, Moriarty.

Replacements: Baldwin, Smith, Lee, Charteris, Faletau, G Davies, S Davies, Roberts.



French team announced

Dulin - Nakaitaci, Fickou, Lamerat, Vakatawa - Lopez, Serin - Gourdon, Picamoles, Sanconnie - Maestri, Vahaamahina - Slimani, Guirado, Baille.

Les remplaçants : Chat, Atonio, Ben Arous, Le Devedec, Chouly, Trinh-Duc, Dupont, Huget



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Post by Guest Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:07 am

Wayne Barnes picard

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Post by RDW Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:07 am

That is an outrageous call - not even a penalty IMO.

He was going for the tackle!

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Post by eirebilly Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:07 am

There goes gunsvgerms that Barnes favours Wales... If that was a yellow card then the first one was as well.
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Post by Guest Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:08 am

Horribly inconsistent.

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Post by GunsGermsV2 Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:09 am

Classic example of Barnes being inconsistent. Worlds worst ref. Its the same in literally every game.

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Post by RDW Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:10 am

How could Barnes say that he deliberately knocked it on - terrible decision

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Post by Heaf Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:11 am

Shocking call given the exact same thing happened at the other end and they didn't even review it ... and you could even hear him say "same as the one at the other end" ... so same thing, two different treatments ...


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Post by Heaf Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:12 am

And now the French ref in the Ireland/England match may want to give us some payback ...

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Post by GunsGermsV2 Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:12 am

Anyone know where Barnes went to school?

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Post by Guest Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:13 am

Heaf wrote:And now the French ref in the Ireland/England match may want to give us some payback ...

Hope so Smile

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Post by eirebilly Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:13 am

I find myself defending Barnes a lot but you cannot defend that. Simply a very poor decision.
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Post by GunsGermsV2 Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:15 am

Anyone know why Barnes refs so many Wales games?

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Post by Heaf Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:16 am

He used to be good but seems to have fallen for the early hype and now is just arrogant ...

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Post by Engine#4 Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:17 am

Why was that offside? The French didn't engage at the ruck?

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Post by Heaf Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:18 am

true ...

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Post by Heaf Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:19 am

good kick but unfair decision ...

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Post by Heaf Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:26 am

not 100% sure about that North turnover either

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Post by tigertattie Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:27 am

Do refs have performance reviews? Barnes should get his books for that. The touches are missing plenty neck rolls too
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Post by eirebilly Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:29 am

Fair fecks to Wales though. They were being well beaten in every aspect of the game but have fought back well. They may be getting most of the decisions by Barnes but they have certainly adjusted to France's attack and are countering it well now.
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Post by lostinwales Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:36 am

Just saw the replay of the JDII 'accidental' trailing arm knock on. For once the French have every right to be furious.

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Post by eirebilly Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:38 am

That is simply terrible. Barnes should certainly hang his head for that one. I actually think that it was Biggar screaming into Barnes' ear that led Barnes to go to the TMO, very soccerish from him.


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Post by lostinwales Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:38 am

Heaf wrote:not 100% sure about that North turnover either

Yeah he was off his feet. What do you do - penalise North for being off his feet or the frenchman for not releasing - and he went with North.

To be fair North is looking very dangerous when hes got the ball. A much better performance

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Post by RiscaGame Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:40 am

North's wasn't a turnover and Davies was a yellow, but it's embarrassing to see allegations of biasedness etc. I'd find fans of a certain nation might be better off starting their own Wayne Barnes thread, rather than disrupting Welsh ones. It's seriously poor form.

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Post by Heaf Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:43 am

lostinwales wrote:Just saw the replay of the JDII 'accidental' trailing arm knock on. For once the French have every right to be furious.

Yep blatantly deliberate - but no review or YC ... horribly inconsistent to then give a YC to France ..

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Post by Guest Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:45 am

RiscaGame wrote:North's wasn't a turnover and Davies was a yellow, but it's embarrassing to see allegations of biasedness etc. I'd find fans of a certain nation might be better off starting their own Wayne Barnes thread, rather than disrupting Welsh ones. It's seriously poor form.

I'm not sure there has been allegations of bias, but when you see decisions like that (very possibly France should have been awarded a penalty try with a welsh player sent off), it's pretty understandable that some are going to question just how objective Barnes is when reffing Wales.

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Post by Heaf Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:46 am

RiscaGame wrote:North's wasn't a turnover and Davies was a yellow, but it's embarrassing to see allegations of biasedness etc. I'd find fans of a certain nation might be better off starting their own Wayne Barnes thread, rather than disrupting Welsh ones. It's seriously poor form.

To be fair, apart from one exception, I don't think many are claiming bias - just very poor/inconsistent decision making by Barnes

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:46 am

I would suggest any ire is directed at the touch judge. Clear view a few feet away. Should have been 2 yellows. Finely balanced game but Wales are getting mullered at the breakdown.

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Post by whocares Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:46 am

Don't think Barnes is biaised. Just easy to influence and not always consistent.

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Post by eirebilly Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:49 am

Did AWJ just pop his shoulder?
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Post by lostinwales Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:54 am

So deliberate knock on by 1/2p now...

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Post by eirebilly Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:54 am

Should that have also gone to the TMO?

For me it was an accident but based on other incidents, was probably worth a second look.
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Post by Guest Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:54 am

Don't think the French think too much of Barnes either.

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Post by whocares Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:56 am

Should really take the 3pts here...

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Post by Heaf Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:57 am

Wales getting away with quite a bit I have to say ...

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Post by whocares Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:57 am

Typical...

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Post by Heaf Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:57 am

Has the TMO's mike broken?

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Post by Heaf Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:00 pm

Can't understand why France aren't taking the 3 points - twice now they've turned down easy kicks ...

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Post by Engine#4 Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:00 pm

I don't think Barnes is biased, just inconsistent in his application of the laws, arrogant in the way he dismisses players, clueless at the scrum and allows defense lines to live offside.  Wales just happen to play him well.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:01 pm

And of course his biggest crime. Being English.

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Post by Guest Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:03 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:And of course his biggest crime. Being English.

Being English is nothing to do with it.

Think it's more his being Welsh.


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Post by eirebilly Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:03 pm

Engine#4 wrote:I don't think Barnes is biased, just inconsistent in his application of the laws, arrogant in the way he dismisses players, clueless at the scrum and allows defense lines to live offside.  Wales just happen to play him well.

This is the worst game I have seen from him. He has been very poor today. Normally I think he is a very good ref but you are right, Wales have adjusted to him better than France. Ireland also do not seem to be able to adjust to him which is why some see him as being biased against Ireland when he referee's Wales - Ireland games.
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Post by RiscaGame Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:04 pm

Engine#4 wrote:I don't think Barnes is biased, just inconsistent in his application of the laws, arrogant in the way he dismisses players, clueless at the scrum and allows defense lines to live offside.  Wales just happen to play him well.

Don't a few referees have a degree of arrogance? Look at how Nigel Owens condescends players, yet people think it's brilliant. He also has zero clue of the scrum etc.

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Post by Engine#4 Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:04 pm

Well...it doesn't help Very Happy

That is some kick, again.

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Post by whocares Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:05 pm

Wales having that game gifted to them by France really.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:05 pm

Completely in from the side.

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Post by eirebilly Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:06 pm

Warb's never came from behind the back foot, well in from the side...
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Post by lostinwales Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:08 pm

Its silly things. The lineout. KO takes a step to the left before throwing - so he's throwing 'straight' but over the top of the Welsh line

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Post by Engine#4 Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:08 pm

RiscaGame wrote:
Engine#4 wrote:I don't think Barnes is biased, just inconsistent in his application of the laws, arrogant in the way he dismisses players, clueless at the scrum and allows defense lines to live offside.  Wales just happen to play him well.

Don't a few referees have a degree of arrogance? Look at how Nigel Owens condescends players, yet people think it's brilliant. He also has zero clue of the scrum etc.

I find Owens tends to explain his decisions when questioned while Barnes just gives something along the lines off "no, I'm right now go away". That said I don't watch much English club rugby so maybe it's just that he never liked Paul O'Connell.

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Post by Heaf Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:09 pm

To be honest I'm not sure how France can adapt to Barnes giving them a YC whilst allowing Wales to get away with the same thing ...

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:09 pm

The Welsh centres have been so poor today. It's almost like neither side wants to win.

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