1872 Cup decider: Glasgow v Edinburgh 6th May 2017

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Date: Saturday 6th May
Time: 17:15
Where: Scotstoun Stadium

Unwilling participant: Edinburgh 'Rugby'
Slightly more willing, but frankly still underachieving participant: Glasgow Warriors

Things to play for: 1872 Cup, bragging rights, ability to walk around in public feeling like you can refer to yourself as a rugby player (Edinburgh specific)

Things to look out for (aka the Unicorn awards): a pair of Edinburgh players successfully transferring the ball from one to the other through the medium of 'a completed pass', Duncan Weir looking and playing like a fly half, Edinburgh managing to win 2 matches in a row, a hygienic looking Glasgow fan



I fear my thread may be more towards the FES end of the scale than the GC end. Apologies. Now, discuss.

Come on ref yellow card time!

WEIR

Still no card.

To be fair to Weir apart from that he's had a good game

Classic Tommy Seymour angle

Lovely Glasgow strike move - that's something Edinburgh just don't have

Yay. Shlong

Edinburgh warned for offending again.

Just hand Glasgow the game and save us the trouble

And still no card?

How utterly embarrassing for Glasgow - they were pumped by Edinburgh!!!

So the much hyped Glasgow lose thier last game of the season

Mike Adamson tried to help them as much as he could have but Edinburgh toughed it out

Glasgow. More over-hyped than Wales (at times)

Missed opportunities, the story of our season!

Well done Edinburgh and why have you not played like that all season?

Nice to see Scotlands proper rugby team pulling off an inevitable win there....

Bye bye Sean

Well Duncan Weir probably played himself on tour tonight, as I would imagine did Hoyland and Toolis.

In all honesty I would take Toolis and Cummings ahead of Gilchrist on today (and most of the seasons showing).

I'll put aside my usual balanced, sporting comments and channel my inner Jimbo:

Cummings had a great assist but was utterly under powered in contact - Toolis put in a huge shift and showed him how the grown ups play

Young Fagerson was anonymous compared to his hugely physical CDP who had him in his back pocket

Russell was his usual flakey self and Weir actually put a decent performance together with superb goal kicking. Russell could barely hit a barn door!

Edinburgh's forwards utterly dominated the contact area despite Adamson doing his best to keep them in the game

Glasgow couldn't even beat 13 man Edinburgh - what an embarrassment!

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Think I was one of the few (rather, the only!) person here that thought this would be close! Shocked that Edinburgh won but it does help look forward to the summer tour.

Strong effort RDW, but not nearly philosophical enough to pass for a Jimbo post!

Credit to Weir, Dean and Bryce - they've been much maligned this season but actually put in decent performances.

All credit to the Limp Wristed ones; they hung in there and nicked it at the end.
However, in terms of actually "playing rugby" Embra were very poor. But who cares? A win is a win. Sometimes it's all the sweeter when it's earned against form and expectation. Well done Luvvies.

Are Glasgow going soft? Another game where we outplayed the opposition all over the field but contrived to lose. There have been too many of them this season. Will Dave Rennie begin by rattling a few cages and challenging people to step outside their comfort zones.

Final thoughts: admirable though their determination was, the Luvvies won't win many games playing like that; and if Glasgow can't learn to put away teams when they are so clearly ahead then they won't win anything next season.

In it's own way a very disappointing ending for both sides.

Can it be classed as nicking it when you're 4 points up?

I would not agree with Jim this time, Edinburgh will actually take an awful lot more from that game than Glasgow, for a team that seemed in terminal decline to stop the rot and win their last two games can only be a good thing. They will feel a lot better about themselves when the re-assemble this summer and a few of them showed that they still fancy a career as a professional rugby player!

Glasgow won't take anything other than what might have beens, from that game.

In truth we have looked a shell of ourselves ever since we came back from the 6N. To many players had to put to much into the internationals and the euro group games and since then the tank has been pretty empty. The deficiencies in the squad were just to obvious this year and we paid the price. It may have been as well that the Toonie era was coming to its natural end.

It's certainly not been a bad season for Glasgow, I don't think I will ever forget that night at Leicester or the atmosphere at Allianz Park, even though we lost. It is just that we have come to expect a lot more.

Roll on the Rennie years to come, hopefully they will be as much fun as the last 5 under Toonie!

I agree that we were lacking attacking threat and skill but what we did have was massive amounts of commitment, determination and heart - that's been missing all season and is the fundamental you need as a team before you can add the rest.

So who wins the cup

R!skysports wrote:So who wins the cup

The showel gel avoiders retain it. 

Am really fed up with Scottish rugby players only turning up when there's absolutely nothing at stake. 

Cannot predict how our summer tour will go. Any good scrum half displays?

I stopped watching just after half time, not by choice I might add, but it was in the night garden time for the wee one. What did I miss?!!!

Seems like a really gutsy performance for Edinburgh! Nice to see Weir having a composed game for once.

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:I stopped watching just after half time, not by choice I might add, but it was in the night garden time for the wee one. What did I miss?!!!

Seems like a really gutsy performance for Edinburgh! Nice to see Weir having a composed game for once.

Edinburgh still weren't great but they were so much more energetic, physical and committed - we made a real mess of the rucks and would have done more so if the ref didn't have a hard on for Glasgow (so many penalties against Glasgow in the 2nd half and no warning, we get 2 yellows in the first.)

What were people's views of the yellows? Am I alone in thinking a tackle around the shoulder isn't high? And that if you're almost instantly cleared out then how could an infringement have taken place?

Ford's tackle was the classic seat belt (over the shoulder) one that are now being penalised but used to be considered fine. It would not have been a yellow ordinarily just a penalty, but I think he paid for the multitude of other penalties leading up to it and they had been warned. Whether they were fair or not is another discussion.

On balance he was unlucky to walk for that one.

Just watched the last half hour again - Glasgow give away 3 ruck penalties in quick succession, no official warning, on 65 minutes Edinburgh give away their first ruck penalty of the half and get a warning!

Finn Russell had a really poor last 30 - his loose passes gave Edinburgh easy outs and contributed to the possession we gained for the late score. He also had a 50% kick success rate leaving 8 points out there - Weir was 100%.

Looked at the stats and Jamie Ritchie made 20 tackles only missing 1. A herculean shift! He looks to have filled out lately too.

The possession and territory stats were massively in Glasgow's favour - we really shouldn't have won that so convincingly.

RDW_Scotland wrote:Just watched the last half hour again - Glasgow give away 3 ruck penalties in quick succession, no official warning, on 65 minutes Edinburgh give away their first ruck penalty of the half and get a warning!

Finn Russell had a really poor last 30 - his loose passes gave Edinburgh easy outs and contributed to the possession we gained for the late score. He also had a 50% kick success rate leaving 8 points out there - Weir was 100%.

Looked at the stats and Jamie Ritchie made 20 tackles only missing 1. A herculean shift! He looks to have filled out lately too.

The possession and territory stats were massively in Glasgow's favour - we really shouldn't have won that so convincingly.

No you shouldn't. Which is where BigGee and I differ. Your performance was very reminiscent of a Lineen Glasgow; hard, combative and very little beyond the 10. Weir's kicking kept you in the game; but do you want him to be your starting 10 next season? Toonie recognised that a Lineen type side can only go so far and he had to develop a different way of playing. I can't see anything in the Luvvies backs to suggest this will happen next season.
As for the Warriors; yet another game we could/should have won and there have been far too many of them this season! Something needs to change over the summer.

Not necessarily but A) who else is there and B) should Edinburgh just copy Glasgow's style of play? I don't think so.

I think Munster should be the blueprint for Edinburgh based on the players we have available. With Dickinson and Nel back we'll have one of the best scrums in the league and we have the potential for a tough, uncompromising pack that can cause carnage around the breakdown.

With SHC we have a controlling 9 and if Weir plays like he did yesterday we'll win a lot more games than we did this season.

If Fruan signs we'll have a very physical centre who will give us great go forward and a bit of X-factor in wider channels.

So I think we have a blueprint there for a team that can be a lot more competitive across the board. We can't just go from this season to throwing the ball about - we don't have the players nor is it something that can change in a short space of time.

Hey guys, sorry I didn't come on here earlier, but huge congratulations to Edinburgh.

I think Glasgow could, perhaps should have won that game, but we were deficient in a number of areas, not least the lack of an 'x-factor' or plan B to use when our primary game wasn't working. I note that Niko was at the game with family in tow... please oh please oh please...

Edinburgh's defence was fantastic - the only time it was really breached was for Hogg's try, and there isn't a better team in Europe at executing set-piece attack moves from behind a scrum. A quiet word for Scott Cummings' offload to Big Jonny - absolute box office.

I think Edinburgh have played better this season, and by God they've played a lot worse, but I don't think I've seen Edinburgh play as smart in at least a couple of seasons. They took their points, limited Glasgow's, used the clock as a weapon, and kept Glasgow in their own half. The second half was probably also the best rugby we've seen in an 1872 match in years.

I'm pleased to get the cup back where it belongs! That being said, it's becoming increasingly clear that the Glasgow system under Toonie has been figured out by a number of teams, so it's probably better that we're having a change. Viva la revolución!

A very fair summary Bru - you are a credit to the great unwashed!

Niko was at the game, which was interesting and Exeter have now officially released him.

It is all going to depend on his court case I am sure, but Glasgow are still short of a SH for next season and Niko has never really recovered from leaving home in the first place, a move he now bitterly regrets I would imagine.

Has he still got the same game to offer, that remains to be seen? His market value will now have dropped massively though and I would have thought he was worth a punt.

So we're all in agreement

1. Finn Russell was his flaky self which shows why inconstancy caused his omission from the Lions
2. While Jonny had Glichrist in his pocket, Toolis had Jonny in his
3. The Edinburgh forwards, particularly the backrow, out classed Glasgow
4. The Glasgow backline out classed Edinburgh but as the old saying goes, forwards decide who wins a game.......
5. Meatball had a rare composed game (We'll blame the wind on his two kicking howlers)
6. Hogg and Seymour are classy, classy players
7. Mike Adamson is clearly a Glasgow fan

tigertattie wrote:So we're all in agreement

1. Finn Russell was his flaky self which shows why inconstancy caused his omission from the Lions
2. While Jonny had Glichrist in his pocket, Toolis had Jonny in his
3. The Edinburgh forwards, particularly the backrow, out classed Glasgow
4. The Glasgow backline out classed Edinburgh but as the old saying goes, forwards decide who wins a game.......
5. Meatball had a rare composed game (We'll blame the wind on his two kicking howlers)
6. Hogg and Seymour are classy, classy players
7. Mike Adamson is clearly a Glasgow fan

8. Glasgow are the current cup holders

R!skysports wrote:

tigertattie wrote:So we're all in agreement

1. Finn Russell was his flaky self which shows why inconstancy caused his omission from the Lions
2. While Jonny had Glichrist in his pocket, Toolis had Jonny in his
3. The Edinburgh forwards, particularly the backrow, out classed Glasgow
4. The Glasgow backline out classed Edinburgh but as the old saying goes, forwards decide who wins a game.......
5. Meatball had a rare composed game (We'll blame the wind on his two kicking howlers)
6. Hogg and Seymour are classy, classy players
7. Mike Adamson is clearly a Glasgow fan

8. Glasgow are the current cup holders

9. If Edinburgh beat Glasgow but also lost to Zebre, does that make Glasgow worse than Zebre?

Zebre also beat Ospreys, who beat Ulster, who beat Leinster, who beat Wasps, who smashed Saracens.

Let's just give the Pro12, Aviva and Champions Cup titles to the boys from Parma, and the Cuthbert-Plisson Cup to Leinster!

IanBru wrote:Zebre also beat Ospreys, who beat Ulster, who beat Leinster, who beat Wasps, who smashed Saracens.

Let's just give the Pro12, Aviva and Champions Cup titles to the boys from Parma, and the Cuthbert-Plisson Cup to Leinster!

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

IanBru wrote:Zebre also beat Ospreys, who beat Ulster, who beat Leinster, who beat Wasps, who smashed Saracens.

Let's just give the Pro12, Aviva and Champions Cup titles to the boys from Parma, and the Cuthbert-Plisson Cup to Leinster!

Someone's going to have to explain that to me

OK, where to start...

On the excellent Blood and Mud podcast, last season when Zebre were absolutely terrible (as opposed to now...), the presenters had a feature called 'Zebre S*** Watch' to discuss just how awful they were. Eventually, when Zebre beat another team, it became [Other Team] S*** Watch, passing to each new team when the losing run was broken.

This has now morphed into the 'Cuthbert Plisson Cup' (with its own Twitter account), named for two truly awful players, Alex and Jules, which passes to each team when they're beaten by the holder. Hilariously, as Zebre beat Ospreys recently, who beat Ulster last week, who beat Leinster this week, the current holders of the cup are in fact the Pro12 leaders!

Ah, so it was a 'you had to be there' sort of joke!

For what it's worth I don't think Plisson is that bad a player (not great though) - Cuthbert on the other hand....

RDW_Scotland wrote:

R!skysports wrote:

tigertattie wrote:So we're all in agreement

1. Finn Russell was his flaky self which shows why inconstancy caused his omission from the Lions
2. While Jonny had Glichrist in his pocket, Toolis had Jonny in his
3. The Edinburgh forwards, particularly the backrow, out classed Glasgow
4. The Glasgow backline out classed Edinburgh but as the old saying goes, forwards decide who wins a game.......
5. Meatball had a rare composed game (We'll blame the wind on his two kicking howlers)
6. Hogg and Seymour are classy, classy players
7. Mike Adamson is clearly a Glasgow fan

8. Glasgow are the current cup holders

9. If Edinburgh beat Glasgow but also lost to Zebre, does that make Glasgow worse than Zebre?

Maybe, maybe..

However what I have learnt from our bouffant bunglers in the East, nothing matters expect the ability to mention the 1872 Cup and the holding of said cup.

Glasgow 1872 cup holders

Glasgow

1872

Cup

Winners

Has Glasgow's ambitions as a club plummeted so much that a 3 point aggregate win over the 9th best team in the league (including getting pumped at home) is seen as a cause for celebration??

At least for Edinburgh fans this is the only thing we're ever likely to win so is celebration worthy!

Glasgow got thumped by Edinburgh at "Fortress" Scotstoun. It wasn't even close.

funnyExiledScot wrote:

Glasgow got thumped by Edinburgh at "Fortress" Scotstoun. It wasn't even close.

and they had to rely on some horrendous one eyedness from Mike "I'm a Warrior" Adamson to boot.

Did you see the bit where he was even explaining to Mike Blair how to get round his officiating?

At least Fat Toni has the decency to do his shady dealings in privacy.