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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 12:44 pm

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Liverpool have given Lovren a new 100k a week long term deal

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Post by lfc91 on Mon 15 May 2017, 9:59 am

Crimey wrote:Great win yesterday and shows what we're missing with Sturridge's inability to stay fit.

It's got to the point where I find him almost infuriating to watch, because on the rare occasions he makes it on the pitch he gives us a reminder of what we are missing 90% of the year! Think he will get sold in the summer, hopefully not to a premier league rival as you just know he will stay fit all year and bang in 20+ goals (With a couple against us).

Delighted with yesterdays result. Nerves will be wrecked on Sunday....(Assuming Sunderland don't do us a massive favour midweek).




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Post by Crimey on Mon 15 May 2017, 10:00 am

Beer wrote:West Ham were awful, wouldn't be crowing about how good Liverpool were.

To be fair, that hasn't stopped us throwing away the points in previous games.

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Post by GSC on Mon 15 May 2017, 10:00 am

Probably illustrates why Leicester had an opening to win last season's PL when Arsenal are 2 points behind their total last season with 2 games to go, last year they got them 2nd, this year it might not be enough for 4th.
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Post by lfc91 on Mon 15 May 2017, 10:01 am

Beer wrote:West Ham were awful, wouldn't be crowing about how good Liverpool were.

Haven't seen anyone crowing on here....

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Post by Beer on Mon 15 May 2017, 10:10 am

lfc91 wrote:
Beer wrote:West Ham were awful, wouldn't be crowing about how good Liverpool were.

Haven't seen anyone crowing on here....

Crimey said 'Great win', hence my comment.

But seeing as you've gone for a nibble.... West Ham are injury ravaged, were rubbish yesterday, i'd be surprised if anyone in the top half failed to put 4 past them.

It shouldn't be seen as a great win. It should be seen as job done.

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Post by lfc91 on Mon 15 May 2017, 10:14 am

I assumed he meant great win in the sense it was a high pressure, must win away game against a team we have often struggled against, which would go a long way to determining if we get Champions league next year.(In a similar vein to how I said delighted with the result).

Wouldn't care if their entire first team was out and we scrapped a 1-0, would still consider it a great win based on the factors I explained above.

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Post by lfc91 on Mon 15 May 2017, 10:15 am

'Great performance' would have been a better term to use if he wanted to crow over how well Liverpool played..

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Post by Beer on Mon 15 May 2017, 10:17 am

I can imagine it is quite nervy, especially after having won the league in October...

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Post by lfc91 on Mon 15 May 2017, 10:24 am

Think it was December we had it won....

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Post by Crimey on Mon 15 May 2017, 10:25 am

Beer wrote:
lfc91 wrote:
Beer wrote:West Ham were awful, wouldn't be crowing about how good Liverpool were.

Haven't seen anyone crowing on here....

Crimey said 'Great win', hence my comment.

But seeing as you've gone for a nibble.... West Ham are injury ravaged, were rubbish yesterday, i'd be surprised if anyone in the top half failed to put 4 past them.

It shouldn't be seen as a great win. It should be seen as job done.

Don't be stupid....

It's a win that put us closer to top 4, we have been crawling over the line and managed to beat one of our bogie teams 4-0 whilst missing 3 of our most influential players. Hardly "crowing". 

No Liverpool fan thought that the league was wrapped up in October.

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Post by Beer on Mon 15 May 2017, 10:35 am

Crimey wrote:
Beer wrote:
lfc91 wrote:
Beer wrote:West Ham were awful, wouldn't be crowing about how good Liverpool were.

Haven't seen anyone crowing on here....

Crimey said 'Great win', hence my comment.

But seeing as you've gone for a nibble.... West Ham are injury ravaged, were rubbish yesterday, i'd be surprised if anyone in the top half failed to put 4 past them.

It shouldn't be seen as a great win. It should be seen as job done.

Don't be stupid....

It's a win that put us closer to top 4, we have been crawling over the line and managed to beat one of our bogie teams 4-0 whilst missing 3 of our most influential players. Hardly "crowing". 

No Liverpool fan thought that the league was wrapped up in October.

I beg to differ, i'm unfortunate to know quite a lot of 'this is our year' fans.

Who exactly are your 3 most influential players? Coutinho, Sturridge, Lallana all started yesterday as did Milner, and Firmino is not one of your top 3, so unless you signed Messi, Suarez and Neymar in January and forgot to tell people i'm struggling to understand your point.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 15 May 2017, 10:37 am

Is the stat I saw on Twitter about Henderson actually missing more games through injury than sturridge over the past two years true?
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Post by Beer on Mon 15 May 2017, 10:40 am

Dunno about Sturridge, but Henderson has missed 40 games through injury since the start of last season.

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Post by lfc91 on Mon 15 May 2017, 10:40 am

He said 3 of our most, not the 3 most. Guessing he means Henderson (our Captain) Mane (think he was voted our player of the year) and Firmino (You disregard his importance but importance is subjective).

Think you would be hard pressed to find many sane people who don't agree those 3 are 3 of Liverpools most influential players.

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Post by lfc91 on Mon 15 May 2017, 10:42 am

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Is the stat I saw on Twitter about Henderson actually missing more games through injury than sturridge over the past two years true?

If it is true it is a scary stat. Although Henderson seems to have an ongoing problem that they have no idea how to resolve. Really is effecting his Career in a big way.

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Post by Beer on Mon 15 May 2017, 10:46 am

lfc91 wrote:He said 3 of our most, not the 3 most. Guessing he means Henderson (our Captain) Mane (think he was voted our player of the year) and Firmino (You disregard his importance but importance is subjective).

Think you would be hard pressed to find many sane people who don't agree those 3 are 3 of Liverpools most influential players.

Referring you to the stat above, i'd say missing 40 games in the last 2 seasons doesn't strike me as Henderson being 'influential'. I'll admit, i forgot Mane, and i think Coutinho is far move valuable to the team than Firmino.

I'd say personally your 3 most influential players are Coutinho, Mane and Lallana.

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Post by Crimey on Mon 15 May 2017, 10:46 am

Beer wrote:
Crimey wrote:
Beer wrote:
lfc91 wrote:
Beer wrote:West Ham were awful, wouldn't be crowing about how good Liverpool were.

Haven't seen anyone crowing on here....

Crimey said 'Great win', hence my comment.

But seeing as you've gone for a nibble.... West Ham are injury ravaged, were rubbish yesterday, i'd be surprised if anyone in the top half failed to put 4 past them.

It shouldn't be seen as a great win. It should be seen as job done.

Don't be stupid....

It's a win that put us closer to top 4, we have been crawling over the line and managed to beat one of our bogie teams 4-0 whilst missing 3 of our most influential players. Hardly "crowing". 

No Liverpool fan thought that the league was wrapped up in October.

I beg to differ, i'm unfortunate to know quite a lot of 'this is our year' fans.

Who exactly are your 3 most influential players? Coutinho, Sturridge, Lallana all started yesterday as did Milner, and Firmino is not one of your top 3, so unless you signed Messi, Suarez and Neymar in January and forgot to tell people i'm struggling to understand your point.

Well, that says more about the intelligence of the people you know to be honest. 

Henderson, the captain of the side. Mane, the player of the year and Firmino who is joint top scorer. How on earth you can't see that they are three of the most influential players is a little bit weird. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're being wilfully ignorant, which I suppose is slightly better than being actually dense.

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Post by lfc91 on Mon 15 May 2017, 10:53 am

Beer wrote:
lfc91 wrote:He said 3 of our most, not the 3 most. Guessing he means Henderson (our Captain) Mane (think he was voted our player of the year) and Firmino (You disregard his importance but importance is subjective).

Think you would be hard pressed to find many sane people who don't agree those 3 are 3 of Liverpools most influential players.

Referring you to the stat above, i'd say missing 40 games in the last 2 seasons doesn't strike me as Henderson being 'influential'. I'll admit, i forgot Mane, and i think Coutinho is far move valuable to the team than Firmino.

I'd say personally your 3 most influential players are Coutinho, Mane and Lallana.

Weird considering you stated Sturridge above when you were listing potential most influential players to Crimey (Don't need to explain his injury record do I?) that you consider Henderson to be Void due to a similar injury record... Very odd.

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Post by lfc91 on Mon 15 May 2017, 10:57 am

I might agree with those 3 as 'the most influential' but if we are simply talking about '3 of the most' I would consider any of Mane, Coutinho, Hendo, Firmino, Lallana, Sturridge and Matip to be valid choices. (Cue this entire post being disregarded to simply attack the choice of Matip on the list....)

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Post by Beer on Mon 15 May 2017, 11:21 am

lfc91 wrote:
Beer wrote:
lfc91 wrote:He said 3 of our most, not the 3 most. Guessing he means Henderson (our Captain) Mane (think he was voted our player of the year) and Firmino (You disregard his importance but importance is subjective).

Think you would be hard pressed to find many sane people who don't agree those 3 are 3 of Liverpools most influential players.

Referring you to the stat above, i'd say missing 40 games in the last 2 seasons doesn't strike me as Henderson being 'influential'. I'll admit, i forgot Mane, and i think Coutinho is far move valuable to the team than Firmino.

I'd say personally your 3 most influential players are Coutinho, Mane and Lallana.

Weird considering you stated Sturridge above when you were listing potential most influential players to Crimey (Don't need to explain his injury record do I?) that you consider Henderson to be Void due to a similar injury record... Very odd.

In my defence, I did state i'd forgotten Mane. Who is obviously more important and less injury prone than Daniel.

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Those points you made, are yours, from your perspective. I am not, nor will I ever be a fan of Liverpool, and in MY opinion I would take Mane, Lallana and Coutinho over your choices. If you can't handle other peoples opinions, perhaps you should take yourself to a safer corner of the internet.

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Post by lfc91 on Mon 15 May 2017, 11:28 am

And the reason you can consider Sturridge influential whilst stating "i'd say missing 40 games in the last 2 seasons doesn't strike me as Henderson being 'influential'" is?(Surely you agree either both can be considered or neither can with comparable injury records?)

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Post by Beer on Mon 15 May 2017, 11:30 am

lfc91 wrote:And the reason you can consider Sturridge influential whilst stating "i'd say missing 40 games in the last 2 seasons doesn't strike me as Henderson being 'influential'" is?(Surely you agree either both can be considered or neither can with comparable injury records?)

Nope, i'd agree, can't consider either influential, 1 in 2, 1 in 3 games is a luxury they (you) can't afford.

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Post by Crimey on Mon 15 May 2017, 11:33 am

Beer wrote:
lfc91 wrote:
Beer wrote:
lfc91 wrote:He said 3 of our most, not the 3 most. Guessing he means Henderson (our Captain) Mane (think he was voted our player of the year) and Firmino (You disregard his importance but importance is subjective).

Think you would be hard pressed to find many sane people who don't agree those 3 are 3 of Liverpools most influential players.

Referring you to the stat above, i'd say missing 40 games in the last 2 seasons doesn't strike me as Henderson being 'influential'. I'll admit, i forgot Mane, and i think Coutinho is far move valuable to the team than Firmino.

I'd say personally your 3 most influential players are Coutinho, Mane and Lallana.

Weird considering you stated Sturridge above when you were listing potential most influential players to Crimey (Don't need to explain his injury record do I?) that you consider Henderson to be Void due to a similar injury record... Very odd.

In my defence, I did state i'd forgotten Mane. Who is obviously more important and less injury prone than Daniel.

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Those points you made, are yours, from your perspective. I am not, nor will I ever be a fan of Liverpool, and in MY opinion I would take Mane, Lallana and Coutinho over your choices. If you can't handle other peoples opinions, perhaps you should take yourself to a safer corner of the internet.

Do you genuinely not know the difference between "3 of the" and "the 3" It's impossible for practically any side in world football to be able to identify the three most influential players and it's a bit of a pointless task anyway as it can change at any time, but it's clear that Liverpool were missing three of the more important players in the side. That isn't to say that Lallana or Coutinho aren't also influential for Liverpool. 

I don't think you have to be a fan of Liverpool to understand the difference in what I said, same as the difference between a "great win" and a "great performance". As I said, I can only assume you're being ignorant on purpose. I don't have a problem with your opinions, but it's when you deliberately pretend I said something I didn't to try and make a point that's a little bit annoying.

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Post by lfc91 on Mon 15 May 2017, 11:36 am

Beer wrote:
lfc91 wrote:And the reason you can consider Sturridge influential whilst stating "i'd say missing 40 games in the last 2 seasons doesn't strike me as Henderson being 'influential'" is?(Surely you agree either both can be considered or neither can with comparable injury records?)

Nope, i'd agree, can't consider either influential, 1 in 2, 1 in 3 games is a luxury they (you) can't afford.

So you misspoke when you listed Sturridge among who you considered to be influential players for Liverpool?

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Post by Crimey on Mon 15 May 2017, 11:37 am

I think the big difference between Henderson and Sturridge is the nature of their injury problems, Sturridge has been very stop start since Klopp came on-board. Rather than lengthy lay-offs, it's been back for one game, missing for 5, back for 5 games, missing for 3. 

Henderson on the other hand has only missed so many games because of two lengthy lay offs, which isn't the same as being injury prone. He missed most of last season and then has been out since March. But from the beginning of this season until March he was a key player for Liverpool and arguably the hardest to replace as nobody in the squad was any good at the position he played. The injuries he's had have also been impact injuries rather than muscle injuries, which is another big difference. Impact injuries are a lot less likely to have a long-term effect and tend not to reoccur. 

What is worrying though is how the prognosis for his injuries keep changing. When he was initially injured, the news was that it wasn't broken and that it should only be a 2-3 week injury lay-off, which has now become a months long injury. I can only assume they are being super cautious.

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Post by Beer on Mon 15 May 2017, 11:53 am

lfc91 wrote:
Beer wrote:
lfc91 wrote:And the reason you can consider Sturridge influential whilst stating "i'd say missing 40 games in the last 2 seasons doesn't strike me as Henderson being 'influential'" is?(Surely you agree either both can be considered or neither can with comparable injury records?)

Nope, i'd agree, can't consider either influential, 1 in 2, 1 in 3 games is a luxury they (you) can't afford.

So you misspoke when you listed Sturridge among who you considered to be influential players for Liverpool?

Wouldn't say mis-spoke, I wouldn't put him in your top 3, but lets face it, a fully fit, in-form Sturridge would definitely be worth considering, only that hasn't happened in what? 3 years?

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Post by lfc91 on Mon 15 May 2017, 12:06 pm

Me either, however i would class both Sturridge and Henderson as two of LFC's most influential players. That is not to say they are the top two, just that they are both among the most influential at LFC (Let's call it 6 players just to put a number on it). In a similar vane Mane, Henderson and Firmino may not be the top 3, but definitely qualify as 3 of the most influential in my opinion. Which, to clarify, if what we were actually discussing?

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Mon 15 May 2017, 12:15 pm

WPuld have been interesting if Ayew didn't somehow miss. Still haven't seen the "attack" and handball before the third goal, but can't conplain. Second half we went mental, although I think it's also different as we had nothing to play for so decided to bring on players and go for it.

Sturridge showed how important he could be when fit. A lot of ordinary play until he broke through, thought Lanzini was a step above every player on the pitch before insanity struck.

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Post by Beer on Mon 15 May 2017, 12:18 pm

Well, Crimey's point was that you were missing 3 of your most influential players, i'd argue that based on current injury records etc, that neither Sturridge and Henderson class as that. We could sit here and argue the toss about 'on their day', but this isn't FIFA Ultimate Team.

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Post by lfc91 on Mon 15 May 2017, 12:33 pm

Sturridge wasn't mentioned by Crimey, you brought him up in the context of influential LFC players!! And you have already explained that you forgot Mane and don't consider Henderson/Firmino to be one. Which means from your perspective we were only missing one of our most influential players and 2, what, squad players?

The only issue is the one Crimey raised though, not considering the captain and the second top goal scorer to be among the most influential players at the club is a very strange opinion indeed. However it's yours, and you are entitled to it.

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Post by Crimey on Mon 15 May 2017, 12:49 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:WPuld have been interesting if Ayew didn't somehow miss. Still haven't seen the "attack" and handball before the third goal, but can't conplain. Second half we went mental, although I think it's also different as we had nothing to play for so decided to bring on players and go for it.

Sturridge showed how important he could be when fit. A lot of ordinary play until he broke through, thought Lanzini was a step above every player on the pitch before insanity struck.

Do you think Bilic will still be around next year? I thought his tactics were really poor for this game, played it right into Liverpool's hands because it was West Ham who stretched the game wide, meaning there was more space for Liverpool's players to work in. The easiest way to beat Liverpool is to just clog the middle of the pitch as they're never gonna go wide or when they do it's really ineffective. Not sure the back three/five was working either, Collins in particular looked pretty uncomfortable in that system, even though he has experience in it with Wales. 

Unlucky with the handball, think it would have been somewhat harsh to give it as a penalty as there was no attempt to hand ball, just Wijnaldum poorly jumping for a header but it was a total sucker punch for sure.

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Post by lfc91 on Mon 15 May 2017, 12:54 pm

Crimey wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:WPuld have been interesting if Ayew didn't somehow miss. Still haven't seen the "attack" and handball before the third goal, but can't conplain. Second half we went mental, although I think it's also different as we had nothing to play for so decided to bring on players and go for it.

Sturridge showed how important he could be when fit. A lot of ordinary play until he broke through, thought Lanzini was a step above every player on the pitch before insanity struck.

Do you think Bilic will still be around next year? I thought his tactics were really poor for this game, played it right into Liverpool's hands because it was West Ham who stretched the game wide, meaning there was more space for Liverpool's players to work in. The easiest way to beat Liverpool is to just clog the middle of the pitch as they're never gonna go wide or when they do it's really ineffective. Not sure the back three/five was working either, Collins in particular looked pretty uncomfortable in that system, even though he has experience in it with Wales. 

Unlucky with the handball, think it would have been somewhat harsh to give it as a penalty as there was no attempt to hand ball, just Wijnaldum poorly jumping for a header but it was a total sucker punch for sure.

The main issue with the handball (I felt it should have been given) was that it went from potentially game on for West ham at 2-1 too Game over for West Ham at 3-0 in the space of 30 seconds and one dubious decision. Be a hard pill to swallow for any fan. Still think 4 goal winning margin was fair enough on the balance of play and chances created.

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Post by Beer on Mon 15 May 2017, 1:04 pm

lfc91 wrote:Sturridge wasn't mentioned by Crimey, you brought him up in the context of influential LFC players!! And you have already explained that you forgot Mane and don't consider Henderson/Firmino to be one. Which means from your perspective we were only missing one of our most influential players and 2, what, squad players?

The only issue is the one Crimey raised though, not considering the captain and the second top goal scorer to be among the most influential players at the club is a very strange opinion indeed. However it's yours, and you are entitled to it.

Yes, because i forgot about Mane, which i've admitted, twice. Squad players is being harsh, they are key players for you, I just don't see them as influential. Would Henderson have made a difference yesterday?

Just because he's your Captain, doesn't mean much. Wayne Rooney is England Captain, I wouldn't put him anywhere near being influential for England right now.

From personal opinion, i'm not a huge fan of Firmino, I think he's lightweight and i'd take Coutinho over him everyday. He might be top scorer, but is that not down to the fact that Sturridge and Mane have had injury woes. Orighi is awful, and he's had to fit into that role?

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Post by lfc91 on Mon 15 May 2017, 1:15 pm

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lfc91 wrote:Sturridge wasn't mentioned by Crimey, you brought him up in the context of influential LFC players!! And you have already explained that you forgot Mane and don't consider Henderson/Firmino to be one. Which means from your perspective we were only missing one of our most influential players and 2, what, squad players?

The only issue is the one Crimey raised though, not considering the captain and the second top goal scorer to be among the most influential players at the club is a very strange opinion indeed. However it's yours, and you are entitled to it.

Yes, because i forgot about Mane, which i've admitted, twice. Squad players is being harsh, they are key players for you, I just don't see them as influential. Would Henderson have made a difference yesterday?

Just because he's your Captain, doesn't mean much. Wayne Rooney is England Captain, I wouldn't put him anywhere near being influential for England right now.

From personal opinion, i'm not a huge fan of Firmino, I think he's lightweight and i'd take Coutinho over him everyday. He might be top scorer, but is that not down to the fact that Sturridge and Mane have had injury woes. Orighi is awful, and he's had to fit into that role?

I tend to think of those two things as going hand in hand. If you are a key player you are an influential player and vice versa. Hendo wouldn't have affected the result in the sense it may still have been a comfortable win. However, it is the games against Crystal Palace, Bournemouth etc where I think having Henderson would have made a difference to the result.

And I disagree on the lightweight comment aswell, think Firmino is relatively strong in comparison to other number 10s, Coutinho being a prime example of lightweight! Maybe stemming from the fact he player CB as a young player. Also it wasn't a simple case of Sturridge being unavailable that had Firmino up top. Klopp has always favoured him over sturridge this season, especially against top 6 teams where Firminos workrate and pressing is key to the entire team performace.

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Post by lfc91 on Mon 15 May 2017, 1:16 pm

And yes Origi is awful.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Mon 15 May 2017, 1:32 pm

Not sure you can say the tactics didnt work when we made the same amount of chances in the first half as you, equally we didnt play any wingers until the second half.

The back 3/5 system has been working for us, three clean sheets in a row, and Collins was only really exposed once we went to a four. If you judge on that game, you also have to take into account that we had no Noble, Kouyate or Obiang for midfield, no striker as our only two Premier League options are both injured, and without our top scorer and player of the year in Antonio. For all the discussion of influential Liverpool players, we'd have been looking at a very different game if the equivalent players were missing. You'd basically be taking out Sturridge, Origi, Firmino, Can, Wijnaldum, Henderson. 

I understood why he went chasing, we came out behind second half and Can and Wijnaldum began to control things, so we took the spare centre back off and brought on some pace to try go at the weak full backs. Problem was we were chasing, and left ourselves exposed. 

Again, can't really complain, but Ayew missed a sitter and that would have changed the game and our approach. And other points are right, might have been different at 2-1, though I don't think we'd have closed up so I'm sure it would have been more goals for Liverpool anyway. 

Like i've said to others, I think Bilic has earned another year, especially with all the caveats that have come with this poor season.

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Post by Crimey on Mon 15 May 2017, 1:50 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Not sure you can say the tactics didnt work when we made the same amount of chances in the first half as you, equally we didnt play any wingers until the second half.

The back 3/5 system has been working for us, three clean sheets in a row, and Collins was only really exposed once we went to a four. If you judge on that game, you also have to take into account that we had no Noble, Kouyate or Obiang for midfield, no striker as our only two Premier League options are both injured, and without our top scorer and player of the year in Antonio. For all the discussion of influential Liverpool players, we'd have been looking at a very different game if the equivalent players were missing. You'd basically be taking out Sturridge, Origi, Firmino, Can, Wijnaldum, Henderson. 

I understood why he went chasing, we came out behind second half and Can and Wijnaldum began to control things, so we took the spare centre back off and brought on some pace to try go at the weak full backs. Problem was we were chasing, and left ourselves exposed. 

Again, can't really complain, but Ayew missed a sitter and that would have changed the game and our approach. And other points are right, might have been different at 2-1, though I don't think we'd have closed up so I'm sure it would have been more goals for Liverpool anyway. 

Like i've said to others, I think Bilic has earned another year, especially with all the caveats that have come with this poor season.

This is why I was asking, the only West Ham games I've seen this year have been the two against Liverpool and I didn't think the back 3/5 formation really worked in this game. Obviously you'll know better than whether it's been working previously or not. Obviously the players missing made a big difference. I thought Feghouli was probably your best player and you could have been better off starting him at right midfield/wing-back so that you had some attacking threat from that side.

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Post by Hero on Mon 15 May 2017, 2:19 pm

As a Liverpool fan, if you get 4th this season do you consider that a successful campaign under Klopp?

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Post by lfc91 on Mon 15 May 2017, 2:31 pm

I do personally. Have said before IMO our first team is arguably 3rd-5th (3rd being optimistic) best in terms of quality and the squad 5th-7th (7th being pessimistic). On paper a 4th placed finish has to be seen as a success. Also progress from last year is clear to see. If you had offered 4th place before the season I would have taken it, step one always had to be a return to the Champions league.(Increased revenue + attract a higher caliber of player).

On the flip side I would rather have seen the club add a few more players in the summer/January an stay in the conversation of league winner past January rather than pat themselves on the back for turning a profit whilst leaving a squad of players for whom 4th place would be seen as a success.

Also if we get Champions League in the end we have done it at the expense of 2 teams with more spending power and better squads (Leaving aside potential Europa League access). No longer the 4 horse race for top 4 it was 10 years previous, every year will see very good sides missing out.

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Post by Hero on Mon 15 May 2017, 2:50 pm

I'd agree, at the start of the season looking at the Liverpool squad I'd have put them as the weakest of the big 6 so to finish potentially above Utd and Arsenal is a positive.
The six though in question aren't for me a million miles away from each other, all on their day can beat each other and all could challenge next season for the title with a little tinkering. Does show how the league has changed in recent years, from the 90s of it really being a top 2/3, to the emergence of the billionaire chairmen to bring City and Chelsea to the mix and now Spurs joining the mix over the past couple of seasons.

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Post by lfc91 on Mon 15 May 2017, 2:59 pm

Hero wrote:I'd agree, at the start of the season looking at the Liverpool squad I'd have put them as the weakest of the big 6 so to finish potentially above Utd and Arsenal is a positive.
The six though in question aren't for me a million miles away from each other, all on their day can beat each other and all could challenge next season for the title with a little tinkering. Does show how the league has changed in recent years, from the 90s of it really being a top 2/3, to the emergence of the billionaire chairmen to bring City and Chelsea to the mix and now Spurs joining the mix over the past couple of seasons.

Well to be fair none of top 6 could beat Liverpool this year even on their day....

In all seriousness though, as you say the way the league is poised the top 6 could finish in any order next season just depending on summer recruitment and European involvement. If Arsenal miss out could they see an upturn in league form similar to Chelsea this year? Or United?

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Post by lfc91 on Mon 15 May 2017, 3:02 pm

Feel Liverpool would suffer the most out of Arsenal, United, City, Liverpool in terms of missing out on Champs League. City and United will spend big regardless and if Arsenal do make a change of manager you have to think they would spend big either way.

Liverpool I feel would not only see potential spending drop but might actually lose key players because of it. Can't see Coutinho hanging around for another year of no Champs league, seeing as he might not even stay if we do get it. Also think offers might come in for Mane and Lallana.

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Post by GSC on Mon 15 May 2017, 4:16 pm

Liverpool finishing 4th would be a reasonable season, not sure Id go further than that.

They haven't underachieved like United or Arsenal but neither have they overachieved and really challenged Chelsea or Spurs since seasons end.

Maybe it would look better in reverse but they're probably just about to stumble over the line ahead of Arsenal rather than finishing with a flourish skewing it.
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Mon 15 May 2017, 4:22 pm

Feghouli looked really up for it when he came on, was great to see. He's had a very average season but I hope he's not binned yet, the Premier league can take some getting used to.

Bilic is probably on the edge, but the Spurs game saved him. A poor start next year and he'll be worried.

It was certainly a game that exposed our main problems: no striker good enough, but to expand our game we have to be too open and our full backs aren't great defensively and we have never really had a midfielder who holds so neither area gives the centre backs any protection.

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Post by Guest on Mon 15 May 2017, 4:43 pm

Hero wrote:As a Liverpool fan, if you get 4th this season do you consider that a successful campaign under Klopp?

Yeah because it's our maximum level. A cup here and there would be nice but 2014 in the PL ain't happening again anytime soon so a sniff of a league title is a million miles off.

Content would be the word.

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Post by lfc91 on Tue 16 May 2017, 7:28 am

FreekShow wrote:
Hero wrote:As a Liverpool fan, if you get 4th this season do you consider that a successful campaign under Klopp?

Yeah because it's our maximum level. A cup here and there would be nice but 2014 in the PL ain't happening again anytime soon so a sniff of a league title is a million miles off.

Content would be the word.

I genuinely believe Klopp can win the league with Liverpool if he gets his signings spot on (Obviously not like Chelsea/Tottenham etc who could afford to miss with a few of their signings). Haven't really had that belief we had a manager capable of even getting us close since Benitez.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Tue 16 May 2017, 7:57 am

lfc91 wrote:
FreekShow wrote:
Hero wrote:As a Liverpool fan, if you get 4th this season do you consider that a successful campaign under Klopp?

Yeah because it's our maximum level. A cup here and there would be nice but 2014 in the PL ain't happening again anytime soon so a sniff of a league title is a million miles off.

Content would be the word.

I genuinely believe Klopp can win the league with Liverpool if he gets his signings spot on (Obviously not like Chelsea/Tottenham etc who could afford to miss with a few of their signings). Haven't really had that belief we had a manager capable of even getting us close since Benitez.

The biggest problem Klopp has is his teams yearly dip after Christmas, it happened at Dortmund and it's now happening at Liverpool, he plays such a high tempo pressing game that it can't sustained for a full season.

Next season is anyone's guess, Chelsea are going to have a dip I imagine now they're back in Europe, it could possibly be in Arsenals best interest to come 5th and go out of the Europa cup early.

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Post by lfc91 on Tue 16 May 2017, 8:10 am

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
lfc91 wrote:
FreekShow wrote:
Hero wrote:As a Liverpool fan, if you get 4th this season do you consider that a successful campaign under Klopp?

Yeah because it's our maximum level. A cup here and there would be nice but 2014 in the PL ain't happening again anytime soon so a sniff of a league title is a million miles off.

Content would be the word.

I genuinely believe Klopp can win the league with Liverpool if he gets his signings spot on (Obviously not like Chelsea/Tottenham etc who could afford to miss with a few of their signings). Haven't really had that belief we had a manager capable of even getting us close since Benitez.

The biggest problem Klopp has is his teams yearly dip after Christmas, it happened at Dortmund and it's now happening at Liverpool, he plays such a high tempo pressing game that it can't sustained for a full season.

Next season is anyone's guess, Chelsea are going to have a dip I imagine now they're back in Europe, it could possibly be in Arsenals best interest to come 5th and go out of the Europa cup early.

Yes that was very alarming. Coupled with a few injuries and Mane being away it seemed like the team went into free fall. Realistically would need 5/6 new signing or first team quality or just below, because it was clear once key players were injured or looked tired there was no one there to replace them.

Yeah that is a big effect of now having 6 teams chasing the top 4 spots. Missing out on the Champions league for a team one year might result in a much better league showing the next year.

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Post by GSC on Tue 16 May 2017, 9:23 am

Chelsea and Spurs this season should be the evidence that anyone in that area can win it.
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Post by GSC on Tue 16 May 2017, 9:21 pm

Sanchez ends the Sunderland resistance. Squeaky bum time for Liverpool at the weekend as it standa
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