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Post by Happytravelling on Sun 21 May 2017, 10:22 am

There was a lot of talking points for fights last night and I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Crawford v Diaz or Davis v Walsh (neither of which I've seen yet).

But the big talking point has to be Dirrell v Uzcategui. Dirrell won, but on (another) disqualification for a punch after the bell. To add further to the scandal, Dirrell's uncle sucker punched Uz after and is now looking like he's going to get prosecuted for assault, and so he should it was disgraceful.

Apart from the obvious talking point, the assault, many thought:
A) the punch was not that late to warrant a DSQ
B) Dirrell hammed it up to get the DSQ

Certainly, Dirrell was not finding it easy and, apparently, Uz was ahead on the judges cards (although it was pretty close from my view of the fight).

Uz caught Dirrell with a good punch on the bell that definitely hurt him but then followed up with two more punches as part of the combination. The last of which KOd Dirrell hard. It was certainly after the bell and I don't have huge issue with the DSQ. I can see why some may think it harsh. Dirrell appeared to recover and tell the ref he was OK and you can clearly hear Dirrell's corner shout to him to stay down. Eventually he falls into a heap.

All controversial stuff! But seems to be more evidence that the Dirrell brothers seem to have all the talent but seem to just lack that champion ingredient. Dirrell struggles, again, with a man he should beat and then appears a bit too keen to find other ways to win than fight for it.

Any thoughts?

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Post by Jermaine2015 on Sun 21 May 2017, 10:42 am

Andre Dirrell seems to lack something when it's not going his way. But seeing as his trainer is heading to jail, potentially makes Callum Smith's job a lot easier against Anthony

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Sun 21 May 2017, 11:19 am

The punches that the corner man threw were absolutely disgraceful he will get the book thrown at him for that

Bud looked great he absolutely battered Diaz although Diaz was also able to land some hands on him crawford was far too good

Walsh was vastly overmatched there are levels to this game Davis is a very good operator and won it easily

I couldnt believe how easily Walsh got hit with the same punch

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Post by melv500 on Sun 21 May 2017, 11:48 am

Didn't see any of the fights bit read the reviews and watched the Direll incidents. Firstly the punch was late BUT only just and looked like he started throwing it before the bell rang. Also Dirrell loooked on the way down with the first left. The punch certainly didn't look intentionally late. Secondly he easily could have got up. The ref gave him time and he was communicating with the ref then suddenly took a turn for the worse, to me it looks like he faked it. Lastly his Uncle sucker punch was an absolute disgrace and completely uncalled for. Hope that scumbag gets locked up for that as it's assault plain and simple.

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Post by Happytravelling on Sun 21 May 2017, 1:12 pm

Wouldn't argue with anything you said Melv.

The last blow was late and Dirrell did fall badly, so have some sympathy with the DSQ. If the ref felt that punch would have had lasting effect.

With respect to Dirrell getting up, from what I saw the he was saying to the ref he was ok. however, you could clearly hear his corner shouting at him to stay down, three or four times. Then Dirrell chose to go to the floor.

So, I can see some believing Dirrell could have gone on and simply chose to fake injury and get an easy win.

His uncle should get a sentence. Not sure if it did any serious damage to Uz.

I'm going to watch the Davis v Walsh fight now. The reviews suggest it was one-sided but also that they had it one round each and if Walsh had shown me ring savvy he could have survived the round. Anyway, I'll have an opinion in about half an hour.

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Post by AdamT on Sun 21 May 2017, 1:58 pm

Davis looks really good. Walsh isn't high class, but Davis beat him easy. Some saying the stoppage was early, I don't think so. Walsh was hurt bad after the knock down and his legs were spaghetti.

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Sun 21 May 2017, 2:09 pm

Walsh was getting hit at will

Stoppage was not at all premature

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Post by compelling and rich on Sun 21 May 2017, 2:39 pm

it was the first punch that hurt him, the second and third were fairly soft shots i thought. the third dirrell just played up to, harsh DQ for me. his uncle shouldnt be allowed anywhere near a ring again and should serve time

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Post by Happytravelling on Sun 21 May 2017, 5:22 pm

Personally, I thought the 3rd punch was sufficiently late Uz could have pulled the punch BUT I agree it's marginal. It wasn't a single punch but one of a combination and so can see the argument he was in a flow and letting his hands go.

To me, it did look like Dirrell looked to go on, telling the ref he was OK, just to change his mind and follow his corners advice.

Which ever, it wasn't particularly outlandishly late. See similar in most eagerly contested fights. Even Dirrell went to Uz and said he had no malice, felt the punches were in the bell. Said he felt the first on the bell and assumed the rest were soon.

Which makes his uncles sucker punch even more disgusting, not that that matters.

Davis looked very impressive in winning the title. The Walsh fight too cagey to truly showcase his talent. His fast hands and power were always going to be too much for Walsh, who has only been a domestic operator.

The stoppage wasn't really premature. Walsh's legs were jelly. For Walsh's sake, I'd have liked it to go on longer, as he would have learnt a lot. He wouldn't have won but if he could have ridden the storm it would have been a good learning experience. His lack of quality fights showed (as did his inability to deal with Davis hand speed and power).

Davis, also, would have learnt something. Not surprisingly, given his inexperience and small stature, he could have done with some rounds with a rangier fighter.

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Post by sohotnot on Sun 21 May 2017, 5:32 pm

For Walsh's sake I'm glad it was stopped, all he would have learnt was what more pain feels like.

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Post by Happytravelling on Sun 21 May 2017, 5:50 pm

Haha I agree he wouldn't have won but it had been a cagey affair and he wasn't being beaten up either.

Would have done them both some good to get a rounds under their belts.

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Post by Happytravelling on Sun 21 May 2017, 5:53 pm

Also on the same bill last night was Barthelemy, who by all accounts, got gifted a decision and all reviews are claiming a robbery.

Not got time to watch it but controversy up and down the card.

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Post by AdamT on Sun 21 May 2017, 6:23 pm

Daniel Dubois

Kid looks a beast. Apparently dropped Joshua sparring. Only 19 years old and I think he will be a champ soon.

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Post by Happytravelling on Sun 21 May 2017, 7:10 pm

Heard lots of good things about Dubois but not really seen him yet. I'm really a casual fan these days and only get to see boxing every now and then, although I follow the press.

Always hard to gauge HWs early on their careers but he's got good amateurs credentials. I'll have to find his fight.

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Post by Valero's Conscience on Mon 22 May 2017, 12:24 pm

100% not worthy of a DQ IMO.

Split second late during a combination.

Dirrell milked it  and has previous for his disgraceful antics when Abraham 'tapped' him.

Mentally weak and shameful camp.

Most pro's online are disagreeing too who's opinions hold the most weight.

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Post by hogey on Mon 22 May 2017, 12:40 pm

Agree never a DQ was only a fraction after the bell, Dirrell gave an Oscar winning performance to steal the win, dont think he has done himself any favours though most people seem to think was losing and has looked for an easy way out. His Uncle deserves a life ban that was a proper cowardly cheap shot.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Mon 22 May 2017, 12:48 pm

With a decision like this I see no reason why they can't review the result afterwards, make it a no contest if need be but Dirrell should not be able to class that a win. Goes for dodgy decision as well, in this day and age find it absurd that some decisions are allowed to stand.

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Post by mobilemaster8 on Mon 22 May 2017, 1:02 pm

Guy throws a legitimate combo on the bell. Poor call. Couldnt pull that left hook it had already been thrown and connected literally less than a second after it rang.

Dirrell also seemed fine, then when the docs came in and he played up big time like Abraham.


His uncle should be banned from the sport.

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Post by Jermaine2015 on Mon 22 May 2017, 1:11 pm

Stop using the Abraham fight as a comparison. IIRC Dirrell suffered a bleed on the brain after King Arthur's cheap shot.

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Post by mobilemaster8 on Mon 22 May 2017, 5:35 pm

Jermaine2015 wrote:Stop using the Abraham fight as a comparison. IIRC Dirrell suffered a bleed on the brain after King Arthur's cheap shot.

Well looking back on that fight it didnt seem that way. If that actually was the case then fair enough, certainly seemed a kop out at the time.

The weekend was a farce. Dirrell shouldnt compete again in my eyes. Hasnt got what it takes.


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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Mon 22 May 2017, 5:50 pm

Jermaine2015 wrote:Stop using the Abraham fight as a comparison. IIRC Dirrell suffered a bleed on the brain after King Arthur's cheap shot.

No he didn't.

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Post by mobilemaster8 on Mon 22 May 2017, 6:04 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
Jermaine2015 wrote:Stop using the Abraham fight as a comparison. IIRC Dirrell suffered a bleed on the brain after King Arthur's cheap shot.

No he didn't.

Just literally spent ages looking for a link and cant find anything. All of the reports state he left the ring by himself!? Rewatched it aswell......

Only Wiki has been edited to say he had 21 months out following the bout.

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Post by Derbymanc on Mon 22 May 2017, 6:25 pm

I found the link, it's www.injermaineshead.co.uk :-)

Watched a cracking documentary on all that yesterday (after the bell i think) Don't think you should be allowed to carry on if you ever have a bleed on the brain.

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Post by mobilemaster8 on Mon 22 May 2017, 8:01 pm

Hahahahahahahahah quality.

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Post by Mr Bounce on Tue 23 May 2017, 11:04 pm

Dirrell is a strange one. He has a lot of good points - he's elusive and slippery and a good boxer, but doesn't like it when the going gets tough. He was winning handily against Abraham before slipping and getting clocked whilst on the floor, but I am not convinced that he was as badly hurt as he made out. AA was rightly DQ'd.

The recent events show that his acting is on a par with that of Hayden Christensen. Rubbish. He was clearly listening to his corner and then took their advice to stay down to gain the "win". He was beaten, but instead wins by default in my book. However, it's chalked up as a "W" for him. I thought it was only marginally late. As the refs say "Protect yourselves at all times" - he didn't.

Agreed though that his Uncle needs to be criminally charged for what he did and should never be allowed near a ring again.

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Post by milkyboy on Wed 24 May 2017, 8:12 am

Dirrell is indeed a strange one. I haven't seen this fight yet but the Abraham shot was cheap, he spent a lot of time out of the ring after it... said he was suffering from headaches etc. I don't know whether that was true or cover for other stuff going on in his life, but personally I gave him the benefit of the doubt. This fight might suggest that he's now had two chances to take a W on offer and taken them.

On the other hand, you watch him get up from a heavy knock down against degale and put in a really gutsy performance... he has it in him, so I'm not sure he lacks heart, he fights people for a living after all... but maybe he just doesn't look a gift horse in the mouth. Whichever, taking an easy way out doesn't sit comfortably with paying fight fans.

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