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Post by mobilemaster8 on Sat 27 May 2017, 7:54 pm

Evening ladies and gents....

Anyone tuning in for tonight? Should be a cracker.

Just on the Allen fight. He is poor. If he had no chin, he would be absolutely garbage.

Have David Allen down 5 rounds after 6...that basically means he is up by 4.

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Post by mobilemaster8 on Sat 27 May 2017, 8:02 pm

Allen is the worst heavyweight I've seen.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sat 27 May 2017, 8:02 pm

He's average and stinks..He may be a character out of the ring but it's little compensation for the viewer.

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Post by mobilemaster8 on Sat 27 May 2017, 8:06 pm

Yeh agree Truss. Only watched him a few times but my god he is so poor. Not a puncher. No skill. No technique. He is just plodding forwarded throwing punches landing 10% max. Gets caught 90% of the time. Flush.

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Post by AdamT on Sat 27 May 2017, 8:10 pm

Looks like a fight I saw outside the local kebab shop, the other. Week.

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Post by buttermancan on Sat 27 May 2017, 8:13 pm

The sky commentators are very biased towards Allen. Looks like Allen could do with a different trainer. He smothers his own work and doesn't give himself enough distance to get his shots off. Against a puncher he'll end up on a knockout reel. What I will say is that Allen is taking things at his pace. I hope that Allen commits himself to the game so we can truly see what he can offer

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Post by Happytravelling on Sat 27 May 2017, 8:14 pm

Yes, he's little technique and no finesse.

Just bludgeoning to a win.

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Post by AdamT on Sat 27 May 2017, 8:15 pm

He's a scrapper. Good luck to him.

A brave boy.

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Post by mobilemaster8 on Sat 27 May 2017, 8:16 pm

How does Froch have this fight 6 up?! I have it so close, I'd give it the other guy. He is the much better boxer but appears to be like Kingpin. Does not want throw much.

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Post by Happytravelling on Sat 27 May 2017, 8:17 pm

As butterman says, Allen needs a trainer to teach him some skills, like to jab etc.

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Post by mobilemaster8 on Sat 27 May 2017, 8:18 pm

Hahahahahahaha that 12th round. Allen should retire. If he goes a level above tonight (IE. Local pub)...he would get absolutely and utterly blitzed.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sat 27 May 2017, 8:20 pm

Wow

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Post by mobilemaster8 on Sat 27 May 2017, 8:21 pm

Yeh I had that fight scored 3-4 ahead for the Jamaican. How Allen even got a card is beyond me.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sat 27 May 2017, 8:22 pm

I scored it for Allen...Had it closer than Froch though.

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Post by mobilemaster8 on Sat 27 May 2017, 8:24 pm

Fair one. Froch was in Dreamland.

Great post fight from both. Very classy.

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Post by Happytravelling on Sat 27 May 2017, 8:24 pm

MM8 not sure what fight you were watching.

Thought Allen won it, on nothing more than work rate.

Not sure how the Jamaican won it, especially dropping a point.

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Post by mobilemaster8 on Sat 27 May 2017, 8:26 pm

Landed the cleaner shots. Allen threw loads and pressed the fight but was sluggish and landed literally nothing. The guy boxed Allen's head off at times. You could see maybe a draw being at home but I had the Jamaican ahead comfortable even with the point.

Allen won't go far. Not a chance.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sat 27 May 2017, 8:27 pm

Thomas landed all the quality work in that, quantity shouldn't trump quality.

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Post by Happytravelling on Sat 27 May 2017, 8:29 pm

Sorry hammer, this isn't gymnastics, it's boxing. It's about punches landed. I'd need to see the box stats but from what I saw Allen was clearly ahead.

The Jamaican, no doubt was more skilled, but he threw and connected with few punches a round.

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Post by mobilemaster8 on Sat 27 May 2017, 8:38 pm

I agree with hammer. That fight was pathetic from Allen. I could run forward all night and through 300 punches. If I land 7 and the other guy lands 15 clean flush punches and makes me look stupid then he will win.
Allen was poor. No two ways about it.

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Post by mobilemaster8 on Sat 27 May 2017, 8:38 pm

Also....should that have been a disqualification?! What a joke. Fowler has just punched that guy in the head about 2 seconds after he was already floored?!?

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Post by EX7EY on Sat 27 May 2017, 8:39 pm

I like Allen but he's annoying really.

Got an opportunity there with Eddie backing him and he's not taking advantage of it with performances like that.

Right from the off he was slow and ponderous. Really poor technique.

He should adapt that plodding style and good chin and try to really work the body and put the pressure on. But instead he just plods and tries to land looping hooks that don't even appear to carry that much power.

He's carrying far too much weight as well, I hate fighters that fall short on strength and conditioning. Even amateur fighters who take it reasonably serious stay in better shape than some of these pros and it really aggravates me

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sat 27 May 2017, 8:42 pm

Happytravelling wrote:Sorry hammer, this isn't gymnastics, it's boxing. It's about punches landed. I'd need to see the box stats but from what I saw Allen was clearly ahead.

The Jamaican, no doubt was more skilled, but he threw and connected with few punches a round.

It's about quality first and foremost, throwing a lot doesn't really matter.

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Post by Happytravelling on Sat 27 May 2017, 8:44 pm

Don't think anybody is arguing that Allen was poor. No technique, tactics or strategy. Just charge forward and throw punches.

I don't think anybody is arguing that the Jamaican was more skilled and what few punches he threw were of higher quality.

The point that Allen connected with way more punches, because of work rate, seemed fairly clear (although the box stats may prove me wrong).

It's about punches connecting. I can see judges having less doubts about scoring punches from a c fighter with better technique, rather than one smothering his own work.

But, from what I saw, there was clearly more punches landing from Allen. As poor quality as they were.

And the game is about landing punches and not looking cultured and pretty in the ring.

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Post by Happytravelling on Sat 27 May 2017, 8:47 pm

Hammer, so one quality punch a round beats fifty of low quality? Really?

I suggest you reconsider your comment.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sat 27 May 2017, 8:52 pm

Pointless crap

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Post by Happytravelling on Sat 27 May 2017, 9:00 pm

Obviously, I've missed the point of boxing.

Why do they bother with KO's and punch stats when it's a sport of artistry, like rhythmic gymnastics. It's about the number of quality punches.

We need to go back and strip Marciano of his wins. I'm fact, any fight with a ring name 'brawler', slugger etc should lose, instantly. Although, Those with quality ring names like Picasso​, Gucci and kominech should win, instantly.

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Post by mobilemaster8 on Sat 27 May 2017, 9:04 pm

No. Those who land the cleaner punches and actually "box" should win.

Hatton was a slugger...he won...he landed good clean shots to the body and head.

Allen wasn't good tonight he said so himself and I didn't see many complaints after.

He rushed and and got picked off clean everytime.

I guarantee when the stats come out, Allen would have thrown more by far...but they would have landed similar.

The difference was the Thomas landed flashy clean punches and they were eye catching shots. He looked the better boxer. Better footwork and defence to go with it.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sat 27 May 2017, 9:05 pm

I just give it to the most effective..

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Post by Happytravelling on Sat 27 May 2017, 9:16 pm

'Those who land the cleaner punches and actually "box" should win.'

No, it's the number of clear, scoring punches. Although the Jamaican through quality, clean punches there were few of them.

Allen threw lots of scrappy punches but it was clear there are more clean, scoring punches amongst those to outstrip the number is clear, scoring punches the Jamaican threw.

the number of times the Jamaicans head whipped back and clear body punches Allen threw were enough to outstrip the Jamaicans clear punches.

Not sure why I'm arguing this, as neither will go much further. Other than the two of you seen very confused about scoring in boxing, talking about quality when it's clear, scoring punches that get counted and matter.

Not 'quality' or who can actually 'box'.

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Post by AdamT on Sat 27 May 2017, 9:28 pm

Listen to them slabbering gits.

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Post by mobilemaster8 on Sat 27 May 2017, 9:35 pm

Yeh....moving on....Groves to win by Stoppage for me.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sat 27 May 2017, 9:41 pm

Good round for Chudy

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sat 27 May 2017, 9:49 pm

2 1 Groves

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Post by mobilemaster8 on Sat 27 May 2017, 9:54 pm

What a fight this is. Have it even pretty much. Not much in this.

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Post by Mr Bounce on Sat 27 May 2017, 10:05 pm

Stoppage time!

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Post by Happytravelling on Sat 27 May 2017, 10:06 pm

How tough is Chud?

One of the few times I've seen a fight stopped with the fighter upright, off the ropes and his guard up. But he took pretty much 20 or so power punches with very little coming back.

I can see people disputing it, and possibly rightly.

But Chud was taking a hell of a lot of punishment. The ref obviously decided he'd seen enough.

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Post by milkyboy on Sat 27 May 2017, 10:13 pm

Thought it was perfectly timed stoppage. But I take the point, unusual to see a guy stopped on his feet who hasn't taken a single backward step and looks like you couldn't stop him with a bazooka

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Post by EX7EY on Sat 27 May 2017, 10:19 pm

Tough SOB that chudinov. He may have still looked pretty solid but the ref didn't have a lot of choice really. No issues with the stoppage for me.

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Post by AdamT on Sat 27 May 2017, 10:22 pm

I though Groves was going to blow his load. He threw everything and the gamble paid off.

Something still doesn't seem right with him. I honestly think Smith and Degale would batter him now.

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Post by melv500 on Sat 27 May 2017, 10:23 pm

Chud has some chin on him. Groves could have punched him all night and not put him over. Stoppage was spot on though. Fair play to George, hopefully some good SMW fights come up with the British fighters.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sat 27 May 2017, 10:24 pm

Congratulations to Groves he certainly likes to do things the hard way but when you see fighters like Burns being three weight champs you can't really begrudge George.

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Post by EX7EY on Sat 27 May 2017, 10:28 pm

Good for us having groves win. He's good to watch and now he's got a title it's got to set up some good fights, especially if callum Smith gets hold of the wbc

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Post by melv500 on Sat 27 May 2017, 10:31 pm

If you ever want to feel ill Google Michael Buffers net worth.

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Post by EX7EY on Sat 27 May 2017, 10:33 pm

melv500 wrote:If you ever want to feel ill Google Michael Buffers net worth.

Haha, LET'S GET READY TO RUUUUUUUMBLE

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Post by AdamT on Sat 27 May 2017, 10:34 pm

Second richest man in boxing.

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Post by Happytravelling on Sat 27 May 2017, 10:35 pm

Truss, as an impartial, your view on the stoppage?

I thought the ref go it right. Chud was taking a lot of punishment and giving little back. The ref has to weight up his odds of winning Vs the probability of damaging his health and I thought the ref got it right. Looked to me that Chud was one of these strange SOBs that simply can keep it together even though he's out on his feet. But he was taking huge punishment. Groves, not the hardest but, is still a decent puncher kept catching him clean and that's not healthy.

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Post by melv500 on Sat 27 May 2017, 10:35 pm

EX7EY wrote:
melv500 wrote:If you ever want to feel ill Google Michael Buffers net worth.

Haha, LET'S GET READY TO RUUUUUUUMBLE

Haha don't get me wrong he's great but $400m is insane Shocked

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Chocolate brownie time - Man Going Down!

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sat 27 May 2017, 10:36 pm

He was done......Ref called it right..

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