Surrey CCC 2019 Discussion Thread

by SimonofSurrey Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:28 pm

First topic message reminder :

After over 10000 views and 310+ articles spread over seven pages (which you have to scroll thro one by one on an i-phone) I've decided it's time we moved on from the 2016 thread to this year. Here we go...

Cheers all,

Simon

by guildfordbat Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:18 pm

I think we can say cheerio to Sam for quite a while. Very Happy

by alfie Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:23 pm

guildfordbat wrote:I think we can say cheerio to Sam for quite a while.

One would think so.

Though with the way the current selectors work they might decide the way to deal with repeated batting collapses is to change the bowlers Smile

Seriously though he really does look a genuine prospect. I thought so after the Pakistan Test. Hope they don't mess him about too much as he won't always return figures like this match.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:36 pm

guildfordbat wrote:I think we can say cheerio to Sam for quite a while.

Part of why we signed Mr Plunkett one imagines Smile

by alfie Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:15 pm

Well Surrey mafia I congratulate you on getting another man into the England lineup ...

Young Sam has certainly proved his worth so hopefully His Holiness will do the same ... I will try not to hex him : as guildford may recall , on the day I attended he came out fairly quickly. Though he has clearly churned out the runs since. Wonder where he will bat ? Four is vacant with Malan gone and no other obvious candidate - but is that too high for him ?

Burns still waiting his chance : I had wondered if he'd get a call up as I wouldn't be averse to a new partner for Jennings with Cook moving down to three and Root to four...but that might be too radical even for Smith Smile

Good luck to the young man Fingers Crossed

by Corporalhumblebucket Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:20 pm

Thanks Alfie. I've seen a fair bit of Pope on the live streaming of county championship matches this season. He looks a very mature and composed player for his years. Obviously no one - no matter how talented - is guaranteed success when starting an international career as a batsman. A couple of bits of bad luck and a couple of misjudgements and your confidence can go into decline etc. But to me he really looks to have the talent and class to be an international batsman.

by guildfordbat Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:07 am

Some Surrey pace on show in the seconds' 3 dayer at New Malden against Essex.

Meaker, Dunn and McKerr all featuring with success - 5, 3 and 2 wickets respectively as the visitors were dismissed in their first dig for 187. Apparently, McKerr's first 6 overs were all maidens. England discard Westley made 96.

Less good (from the scorecard anyway) were Virdi and Atkinson, both going wicketless and at nearly 6 an over from their 6 and 5 over respective stints. We don't want Virdi going off the boil now! Unfortunately, Atkinson hasn't carried his second eleven form as a trialist last season into his first year as a pro.

Surrey 152/5 in reply at the close. Meaker top scoring and still there on 37 - a good day at the office for him.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:10 pm

Jordan Clark to sign for Surrey on a three year contract.

Surrey see him as backup to Sam Curran and eventual successor to Rikki Clarke

by James100 Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:42 pm

https://www.kiaoval.com/main-news/borthwick-ruled-out-with-broken-wrist/

Borthwick to miss the next Championship game

by jimbobgooner Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:48 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Jordan Clark to sign for Surrey on a three year contract.

Surrey see him as backup to Sam Curran and eventual successor to Rikki Clarke

must be the end for meaker

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:13 pm

Wouldn’t have thought so Jimbob - Pillans is off to Yorkshire, which is he corresponding out for this signing you’d think

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:43 am

Something which I feel Surrey had a bit of luck with this season was the injury (unfortunate for him) to Mitchell Marsh which meant he missed the summer. Albeit I think he would've helped in the one day formats, the championship side would have been considerably weaker with his batting instead of Elgar/De Bruyn/Finch (albeit they haven't pulled up any trees!), and our bowling attack didn't need his medium pacers anyways.

Actually something to keep an eye on for next season - the overseas player. Despite such a dominant season in the red ball stuff, I imagine they'll be expecting a bit more from "the overseas" in 2019! (Wouldn't it be nice if Mr Finch played the whole summer?)

by guildfordbat Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:58 am

Awards Night coming up this Wednesday.

As a member of the Supporters' Club, I've just voted for the following categories:
* Player of Season
* Most Improved Player of Season
* Young Player of Season
* Moment of Season.

There are no hard and fast rules or definitions for the last two categories - what constitutes ''young'' or ''moment'' is left up to the voter.

Anyway, I voted for ... narrh, I'll tell you a bit later ... you folks please tell me what I should have done! Very Happy

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:33 am

Player of the season - Rory Burns. Not much of a contest imo
Most improved player of the season - this one is much tougher! Borthwick, Pope,McKerr, Burns all in contention but for me it has to be Amar Virdi. To have played every red ball game and contributed as a 20 year old spinner in division one is amazing - and I think he’s been an underrated part of this season
Young player of the season - Ollie Pope. What a talent
Moment of the year - Many to choose from, Finch scoring hundreds for fun in the t20, Ryan Patel’s spell at Guildford - but only really one for me, that catch by Jacks off Morkel to beat Lancashire by 6 runs. The moment we kind of all new Surrey were going to be champions

by James100 Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:22 pm

Player of the season - Morkel. He just looks too good for this level, like showing up to play a village third eleven game and the other side have put out their first team opening bowler. Best average in the Division for regular bowlers and pretty close to leading the wickets too, despite missing a load at the start due to injury

Most improved - I'll follow Olly and go with Virdi

Young player - Again I'll follow Olly and go with Pope

Moment - Again again I'll follow Olly and go with c Jacks b Morkel to beat Lancashire

by Corporalhumblebucket Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:37 pm

Player of the season - Morkel. Clearly he and Burns are the stand out candidates and either would be entirely worthy winners. And Burns has the added major plus of captaining Surrey to the title in his first season as captain. Rikki Clarke also worthy of a mention for his consistent all round contribution bowling, fielding and batting. I plump - just - for Morkel on account of his devastating bursts of wicket taking, not least in the second innings of matches, when he turned the whole match round.
Most improved player - I think Virdi is a good call, not least as he has done enough to hold down a place in the side for the entire season.
Young player - Pope
Moment of the year - again, I'd go for the Jacks catch.

by guildfordbat Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:15 pm

Guys - thanks for your suggestions on the awards. Any more? I'll say mine tomorrow after I'm back from the Oval.

Meanwhile, the Club have done their very best to make life hard for JimBob when he puts up the Essex match thread. They list a 14 man squad including Tom Curran and Batty but say Curran is being rested before the Sri Lanka ODI series and don't picture either in the 13 players shown. Meanwhile, Meaker's mug shot is shown but he's not listed as being in the squad!!!

My guess is the 13 individual pictures reflect the actual squad. Anyway, I'm sure JmBob will sort it out for us! Very Happy

by jimbobgooner Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:37 pm

guildfordbat wrote:Guys - thanks for your suggestions on the awards. Any more? I'll say mine tomorrow after I'm back from the Oval.

Meanwhile, the Club have done their very best to make life hard for JimBob when he puts up the Essex match thread. They list a 14 man squad including Tom Curran and Batty but say Curran is being rested before the Sri Lanka ODI series and don't picture either in the 13 players shown. Meanwhile, Meaker's mug shot is shown but he's not listed as being in the squad!!!

My guess is the 13 individual pictures reflect the actual squad. Anyway, I'm sure JmBob will sort it out for us!

by guildfordbat Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:06 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Player of the season - Rory Burns. Not much of a contest imo
Most improved player of the season - this one is much tougher! Borthwick, Pope,McKerr, Burns all in contention but for me it has to be Amar Virdi. To have played every red ball game and contributed as a 20 year old spinner in division one is amazing - and I think he’s been an underrated part of this season
Young player of the season - Ollie Pope. What a talent
Moment of the year - Many to choose from, Finch scoring hundreds for fun in the t20, Ryan Patel’s spell at Guildford - but only really one for me, that catch by Jacks off Morkel to beat Lancashire by 6 runs. The moment we kind of all new Surrey were going to be champions

With apologies to the late Eric Morecambe (the Corporal will be old enough to understand), I'm playing the same notes as Olly but not necessarily in the same order! Wink

Anyway, my votes as made with a few opinions now:

Player: Burns.
Morkel and Clarke definitely belong in the running (so would Foakes if he had made one big innings and a few more runs - his keeping has been near immaculate with some outstanding catches) but the amount and consistency of Burns' runs together with leading us to the Holy Grail seals it for me.

Most Improved: Pope.
Fully understand the calls for Virdi but Pope went from being on the edge of the Surrey team at the start of the season (some advocated Patel's selection above him) to the England Test team and made a shedload of runs in the process lessening the loss of Sangakkara.

Young Player: Virdi.
Again, I understand the calls for Pope but Virdi is 6 months younger and in any case I like as much as possible to share my votes out. The responsibility that Virdi has shouldered as a young player has been considerable and he's responded extremely well.

Moment: the Jacks catch.
That had to be the winner for me although a very honourable mention to Patel for his 6/5 to beat Somerset at Guildford.

by chichestersurreyfan Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:13 pm

I think I would have to go with Morkel as Surrey’s player of the season....those devastating spells at various matches has proved so pivotal...young player of the season, I’d definitely go with Pope...
Moment of the season..completely agree with every one else..that Jacks catch to complete victory by 6 runs over Lancs...That match was so privatol..I know that even had we lost we would still have been overwhelming favourites to win the Championship...but I was not so sure....so when I sneaked a quick peak at the live feed and the first ball I saw was that stunning catch off Morkel, that was THE moment.....Also, the Corporal and I had seen the first day at the Oval when it was looking bleak for Surrey for most of Day 1...that has been one of the most encouraging things this season...we have been able to turn around losing positions into winning ones and then actually go on and claim the victory too...

If there is an award for the player that has surprised us most...I would go for Clarke...I was overwhelmingly negative when I heard we had signed him....proved to be 100% wrong on that...he has had a fantastic season with both bat , bowl and catching ..what a pro and what a star!

by James100 Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:32 pm

Foakes has fallen from being in the senior squad last year to not even making the Lions this Winter. Virdi and Roy in the red-ball Lions squad.

by James100 Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:11 am

End of season averages if anyone's interested:

Batting –

Pope 986 @ 70.4
Roy 196 @ 65.3
Burns 1359 @ 64.7
Borthwick 444 @ 40.4
Elgar 387 @ 38.7
Foakes 624 @ 36.7
Stoneman 660 @ 33
Clarke 500 @ 31.3
Finch 77 @ 25.7
Patel 255 @ 25.5
S Curran 209 @ 23.2
De Bruyn 46 @ 23
McKerr 64 @ 21.3
Jacks 168 @ 21
Harinath 56 @ 18.7
T Curran 81 @ 16.2
Morkel 172 @ 15.6

Others all under 15

Bowling –

Morkel 59 @ 14.3
T Curran 19 @ 16.4
McKerr 13 @ 18.9
Clarke 47 @ 21.5
S Curran 25 @ 24.3
Dernbach 32 @ 29.0
Virdi 39 @ 30.4
Patel 8 @ 34.9
Dunn 3 @ 57

by **LondonTiger** Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:44 am

Has Morkel ever been a Wisden Player of the Year? If not those numbers should see him get recognition this year.

by jimbobgooner Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:40 pm

gutted that pope finished just 14 runs short thanks to a shocking lbw decision Sad

by SimonofSurrey Sat Sep 29, 2018 8:37 pm

Some left field choices, folks:
Player of the Season - Rikki Clarke (best comeback since Frank Sinatra)
Most improved: Rory Burns - from respected County opener to everyone's shoo in for England (including Dale Steyn's, who knows a thing or two about good opening bats)
Young Player: Ollie Pope - from the fringes of the First Team to the national team in three months
Moment of the season: Churchy's commentary on Morne's boundary that won us the Championship (up there with '...they think it's all over - it is now!')

by guildfordbat Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:17 pm

To confirm, the results of the Supporters' Club were:

Player of the Season: Burns, with Morkel 2nd and Clarke 3rd.
Most Improved: Pope, with Virdi 2nd and S Curran 3rd.
Young Player: Pope, with S Curran 2nd and Virdi and Jacks 3rd=.
Moment: the Jacks catch to beat Lancs, with Patel's sixfer at Guildford 2nd and Morkel's Championship winning shot at Worcs 3rd.

Burns generally cleaned up on the night with further awards from the Club and sponsors. Morkel did though collect a Best Bowler award - would have been an injustice for him to get nowt.

The most interesting award (to me anyway) was for Team Man of the Year and went to assistant head coach Vikram Solanki who generally goes beneath the radar. Think that's voted for by everyone employed at the Club and so is regarded highly.

by guildfordbat Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:37 am

Hearing that Surrey's opening CC match of the 2019 season is at the Oval against Essex.

Full Championship and Royal London fixtures being issued at 10 am today. Blast at 5 pm.

PS We really need a new thread title!

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:52 am

Guildford dropping the in the know knowledge Wink

by guildfordbat Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:44 am

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Guildford dropping the in the know knowledge

All contributions will be gratefully received and go towards paying off my bar bill. Wink

Two back to back Championship fixtures at Guildford in June as the Oval is unavailable due to the WC. Great for me although I'm sure many Oval regulars will be going into meltdown!

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:24 pm

Sam Curran is in the IPL auction which takes place next week - he is in the highest price band, so whilst he will have interest I wouldn't say it's nailed on he's picked up. It's the same price as people like McCullum, Malinga etc

Tom Curran and Liam Plunkett are not in the auction.

by guildfordbat Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:38 pm

Olly - I see from the link on your IPL thread (thanks for providing us with this stuff btw) that Morkel is also in the auction, at the second highest price band.

Although he wasn't great for us with the white ball this summer, he's of proven quality and a big name. What do you reckon as to his chances of being picked up? Massive loss to us for the Championship if he is even though the IPL will probably overlap with less CC matches in 2019.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:01 pm

I’d say it’s genuinely 50/50 Guildford on Morkel - recent form would suggest not, but he’s a big name still and is playing in the T10 stuff at the moment. My gut feeling is he probably will be, but it’s far from certain ala Sam (who will 99.9% be picked up)

by guildfordbat Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:25 pm

Cheers, Olly. 50/50 on Morkel seems an understandable take. That was rather where I was coming from in my earlier post although, unlike yourself, I don't know too much about the ins and outs of the IPL.

by wisden Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:05 pm

Morkel is very good at the death, did a great job for KKR at the death few years ago, probably will get picked up

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:02 pm

We may need a new thread, but anyways...

Dean Elgar has joined Surrey as their overseas player for 2019. Subject to any South African international commitments (there shouldn't be any unless he's miraculously called upto the World Cup squad), Elgar will join in late April in time for the second half of the Royal London One Day cup campaign, and will be with the side all summer, available for 13 of the 14 county championship games.

Excellent signing clap

by guildfordbat Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:34 am

Being reported that Amar Virdi will miss the England Lions red ball series against India A due to ''a stress reaction injury in his back''.

Far from clear what that means but it doesn't sound good.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:11 pm

So the Rey fans - we are back, we are in Dubai, and we have dispatched Lancashire with ease by eight wickets in a one day game. Hundreds for Stoneman and Pope, McKerr and Dunn bowled well apparently.

Lovely stuff

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:05 am

Will Jacks just hit six sixes in an over off Stephen Parry in the T10 game against Lancashire and just went to 102* off 25 (TWENTY FIVE) balls. Ludicrous batting

by jimbobgooner Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:58 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Will Jacks just hit six sixes in an over off Stephen Parry in the T10 game against Lancashire and just went to 102* off 25 (TWENTY FIVE) balls. Ludicrous batting

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:22 pm

Didn’t realise they had burger vans in Dubai

by Corporalhumblebucket Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:37 pm

Emerging after winter hibernation. Happy cricket season to Surrey supporters. Good to see various Surrey batsmen, including Patel, get some solid runs under their belt, albeit against lesser opposition. So many things went right for Surrey last season in tough situations in the cc (right up until the last match against Essex) that I'm rather fearing there may be a bit of a reaction.

by Voice of the Beehive Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:46 am

Happy cricket season to you too Corporal.

I think we should be approaching the season with confidence although it's hard to know what International calls Surrey will suffer. I think the squad is deep enough to deal with whatever is thrown at us from that direction. I'm expecting to see the real Stoneman back this season and with Elgar and Borthwick we have a strong top order even if or when Burns is away with England. I have a feeling Roy will feature in all formats for England this year so we may not see a lot of him but I'm not sure we'll lose Foakes at all. Pope however can't be far away from getting back in favour with the England hierarchy.

Sam has performed better than I feared in the IPL and must have increased his chances of breaking into the World Cup squad. Given that I'm surprised we haven't given any game time pre season to Jordan Clark who presumably may have to drop straight into the 50 side cold.

I think, if fit, Virdi may play for England Lions this year but we can probably get by for a game or two. Still very reliant on Batty for quality spin with the white ball again this season. We will have to address that at some point in the near future.

All in all we should have an enjoyable season.

by Gooseberry Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:51 am

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Will Jacks just hit six sixes in an over off Stephen Parry in the T10 game against Lancashire and just went to 102* off 25 (TWENTY FIVE) balls. Ludicrous ~~batting~~

format

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:44 am

Voice of the Beehive wrote:Happy cricket season to you too Corporal.

I think we should be approaching the season with confidence although it's hard to know what International calls Surrey will suffer. I think the squad is deep enough to deal with whatever is thrown at us from that direction. I'm expecting to see the real Stoneman back this season and with Elgar and Borthwick we have a strong top order even if or when Burns is away with England. I have a feeling Roy will feature in all formats for England this year so we may not see a lot of him but I'm not sure we'll lose Foakes at all. Pope however can't be far away from getting back in favour with the England hierarchy.

Sam has performed better than I feared in the IPL and must have increased his chances of breaking into the World Cup squad. Given that I'm surprised we haven't given any game time pre season to Jordan Clark who presumably may have to drop straight into the 50 side cold.

I think, if fit, Virdi may play for England Lions this year but we can probably get by for a game or two. Still very reliant on Batty for quality spin with the white ball again this season. We will have to address that at some point in the near future.

All in all we should have an enjoyable season.

Welcome back to all the winter hibernators! Excellent summary this Beehive - I have to agree with you on Sam, to be honest I think we've probably seen the last of him with Surrey regularly now, he has flown the nest and flourished! Probably falls into the bracket with Jason Roy now, occasional appearances when around.

On the other hand, we do have the other Curran, Tom! It looks likely he'll be available most of, if not all summer (I can't see him cracking the world cup squad personally and definitely not the Ashes squad unless he blitzes the early season, which would be great for us!). Good news as you say is we have Clark, and also to some extent Plunkett to fill the role left by Sam.

Intrigued to see how Conor McKerr plays this year - very good winter by all accounts, good pre season too.

Guildford - any update on your boy Matt Dunn? (he is still at Surrey right?!)

by guildfordbat Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:31 pm

Hi Olly and all - season's greetings from me too.

Yep, good posts from Beehive and you there.

Matt Dunn is still at Surrey, on a 2 year deal taking him up to the end of the 2020 season. He's some way down the pecking order now though. A major reason we're packed with seamers - besides being able to afford them - is that we don't know how many will be lost to international call ups and, next year, The Hundred. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go on loan to a Div 2 county. In Div 1, Hants would interest him a lot. Their new coach Adrian Birrell worked with and rated Dunn when he was coaching England u 19s a few years back. However, Surrey aren't keen on players going on loan to teams in the same division as them.

by jimbobgooner Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:15 pm

match thread for Essex coming soon Very Happy

by king_carlos Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:40 pm

EDIT: Spotted the match thread so moved my post over there!

by jimbobgooner Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:48 pm

king_carlos wrote:EDIT: Spotted the match thread so moved my post over there!

by jimbobgooner Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:59 pm

his holiness to have surgery next week on his dislocated shoulder Sad

he hopes to be back before the end of the season

by guildfordbat Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:31 am

Hi JimBob - your one-time favourite from the Surrey seconds Bradley Erasmus (also formerly of Guildford CC, I think) scored a ton for MCC Young Cricketers yesterday as they stuffed our seconds by over 100 runs in a 50 over game.

Meaker took a fivefer including a hat-trick which will certainly get him on the bus to Glamorgan and very probably a place in the team for tomorrow's latest RL 50 embarrassment. 3 wickets for Patel yesterday will also put him in contention.

I know James likes Matt Dunn. He bowled a tidy 5 over spell of 0/14. He was only ever going to bowl 5 yesterday as he comes back from illness.

by James100 Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:40 am

I'm a big fan of both Dunn and Meaker, think both could have had big careers if we'd shown a little more faith in them/they'd moved on to a different county (Dunn still could - if I was him I'd bite the bullet and get looking for another county).

I'll be at the game tomorrow, though not expecting much from Surrey. I did realise though that we're maybe missing our entire first choice 50 over seam battery (TC, SC, Dernbach and Clarke) which would be some kind of excuse if it wasn't that the batting has been the real issue.

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