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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:28 am

First topic message reminder :

The rage from La Liga is exciting.

That money argument does show you why there's no need to worry about Bale not having suitors. If Everton can throw £48m at Siggy, Liverpool can offer upwards of £70m for Nany Keita then I can't see Man United being scared of throwing £90m at Bale.

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Post by GSC Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:59 pm

He s vastly overpriced at half that
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Post by GSC Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:00 pm

For those sums why not try for Hazard, an actual world class talent.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:05 pm

Mental that 1) Barcelona are bidding that for him and 2) liverpool are turning that down
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Post by LionsV2 Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:17 pm

gazzyD wrote:Apparently liverpool turned down £118m for Coutinho

If I'm Barca im walking away from this deal. He's vastly over priced at near £120m. Not even worth continuing a pursuit
Who really cares?

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Post by Luke Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:08 pm

LionsV2 wrote:
gazzyD wrote:Apparently liverpool turned down £118m for Coutinho

If I'm Barca im walking away from this deal. He's vastly over priced at near £120m. Not even worth continuing a pursuit
Who really cares?

Coutinho's Agent?
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Post by Guest Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:55 pm

Agreed with their original stance, but now at £118m, and the player wanting to leave, it's beyond stupidity to reject.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:55 am

Christian Eriksen would be great for them. Probably blown their chance of getting him for anything remotely reasonable as people will value their player at whatever Barca were willing to go for to get Coutinho

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Post by GSC Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:01 am

Burnley actually spending some money, 15m+ on Chris Wood
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Post by Crimey Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:04 pm

The thing is the actual real money offered was around £82 million with several add ons including multiple Champions League wins and Coutinho winning the Balon D'or. That £82 million just isn't worth it to Liverpool. What would they do with it? Their targets are already unavailable, even when offered a combined £150 million this summer and suddenly adding £82 million to the budget, as well as losing their best player with 10 days left of the transfer window, makes no sense at all. Not to mention Coutinho signed a new contract a couple of months ago without a release clause so he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

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Post by Afro Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:44 pm

Crimey wrote:So Everton's first choice line up will presumably be:


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Coleman - Jagielka/Williams - Keane - Baines

Gueye - Schneiderlin

Rooney - Sigurdsson - Klaassen

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That looks an incredibly slow side. I can only assume Rooney will then be a bench option and maybe Bolasie and Mirallas will play for width? 

Sigurdsson is a good player, I'm just not sure that after signing Rooney and Klaassen and already having Tom Davies and Ross Barkley (as it doesn't look like he'll be sold) it makes much sense. 

I can't quite work out what our first choice side will be, but I'll be amazed if that is it. Korean has gone for quick wide players in each game so far.
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Post by GSC Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:24 am

Carl Jenkinson off to Birmingham on loan. Also Sam Gallagher
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Post by Beer Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:49 am

Crimey wrote:The thing is the actual real money offered was around £82 million with several add ons including multiple Champions League wins and Coutinho winning the Balon D'or. That £82 million just isn't worth it to Liverpool. What would they do with it? Their targets are already unavailable, even when offered a combined £150 million this summer and suddenly adding £82 million to the budget, as well as losing their best player with 10 days left of the transfer window, makes no sense at all. Not to mention Coutinho signed a new contract a couple of months ago without a release clause so he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

I actually think Liverpool are doing the right thing here. The £82m was also staggered over 5 years, which is a joke. They've just made PSG pay £200m upfront, so they have cash. Either pay Liverpool £114m in cash, or stop wasting everyone's time.

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Post by BamBam Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:48 am

Staggered payments are the norm with transfers

PSG paying upfront for Neymar is just how the buyout clause system works, plus the fact that they're doped to the eyeballs by petrodollars means it makes no difference

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Post by Beer Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:52 am

I get that, but they have £200m in the bank. There's no reason they can't pay the money up front.


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Post by BamBam Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:54 am

I see your point, but in reality it makes literally zero difference unless the team Liverpool signs its replacement off also wants 80m up front - Liverpool would also stagger the payments


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Post by Beer Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:00 pm

It's the principle though, isn't it? Barca want Liverpool's star player, this close to the end of the window, so pay up. PSG didn't have to pay the release clause in full, that's just what Barca said, mainly so they could cry FFP foul play.

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Post by LionsV2 Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:09 pm

It's about time the English clubs played Barcelona at their own game, if they want him they'll have to pay in one lump sum.

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Post by Hero Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:13 pm

Expect this to change with a few days left to go but as it stands Paulinho is still the top transfer fee incoming to La Liga this summer (doesn't include the Vinicius Jr transfer as that won't go through until his 18th birthday), there's certainly been a change this summer from their domination.

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Post by Hero Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:26 pm

IncomingOutgoing17/18 Balance (so far)16/17 Balance
Premier League1,120m594.92m-588.82m
-783.68m
La Liga386.91m570.92m204.45m-31.55m
Bundesliga442.4m319.62m-136.42m
-96.19m
Serie A742.73m558.53m-204.68m
-47.17m
Ligue 1533.61m474.26m-65.95m
-7.2m

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:30 pm

Liverpool won't do it with anyone else, and don't really need cash up front. No one needs it, it's always staggered, my only issue is clubs (like West Ham) who do it with clauses.

Don't blame them for this, by any means, but they need to sort their own business out regardless rather than playing this game and missing out on additions they definitely need.

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Post by lfc91 Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:37 pm

Starting to see a scenario develop in my head:

August 31st: Coutinho goes to Barca for 120-130 million, over 100 up front (regardless of what the owners say he would have to be sold for that).

Liverpool don't bring in a replacement (how could they, apparently they have a grand total of 1 target per position and they couldn't get those in with a full window.

January-Feb: Nobody brought in, "no value in the january market etc etc"

Summer 2018: "We can't attract the required quality of player with no champions league blah blah blah".

Maybe just being the ultimate pessimist, but this window hasn't exactly filled me with confidence.


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Post by westisbest Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:55 pm

Brighton apparantly showing interest in Hourihane.

Hopefully nothing will come of it.

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Post by GSC Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:04 pm

128m and Lucas Moura the latest Mbappe rumour.

Also PSG want fabinho
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Post by Crimey Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:45 am

The Coutinho deal is considered dead by Liverpool, Barcelona and Coutinho and his agents now. So hopefully he can get over his "back injury" now and get back to playing.

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Post by MrPoncho Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:16 pm

M'Bappe expected to be a PSG player before next week's deadline. Apparently the first year sees the player go on loan with a fee to be agreed for the full transfer next summer to avoid further questions of PSG blatantly making a mockery of FFP

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Post by Guest Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:18 pm

Sam Clucas to Swansea for £16.5m Laugh


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Post by GSC Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:00 am

Conte on the verge of walking to be replaced by Tuchel
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Post by LionsV2 Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:26 am

Is Conte a spoilt brat or something?

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Post by lfc91 Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:24 am

£101 million + 37 million in add ons for Coutinho. That offer comes in July and I say bite their hand off. Now it is about lack of time to find replacements and principle. Also the fact that they appear to be strategically timing these bids for maximum disruption (first day of season, and both days of the champs league qualifier legs) makes me adamant they should not be allowed to have him.

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Post by Fernando Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:34 am

Sell Coutinho buy Aubameyang play Firmino AM not CF & your better already.

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Post by Hero Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:39 am

Fernando wrote:Sell Coutinho buy Aubameyang play Firmino AM not CF & your better already.

This

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Post by lfc91 Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:49 am

Potentially. Would be happy enough if the wrapped up the deal before coutinho was allowed to leave. The point is I don't believe they would. The club have showed a complete inability to get the players they want signed up, no reason to assume this would change for Aubameyang with a week to go in the window...

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Post by Fernando Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:52 am

By the sounds of thing all you need to do is slap £70m on the Dortmund desk and it'll be fine unless you try installments & clauses Poopie Laugh

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:24 am

As has been pointed out, the whole point of Klopp's style is to be a group, not build around a star.

Coutinho money in the bank, Salah takes his role on the left anyway, buy a central midfielder and a centre back. Or a top keeper.

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:00 pm

GSC wrote:Conte on the verge of walking to be replaced by Tuchel

Doubt it, seeing as Tuchel was removed from Dortmund for doing essentially the same thing as Conte, in arguing with the board & hierarchy above him. Seems media driven to destabilise Chelsea, and it's slightly boring now. The Spurs performance & result, should of put this to bed.

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Post by lfc91 Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:21 pm

Don't disagree at all. But, as I said, if in a whole transfer window they have failed to bring the required players, what are the odds the could do it in 1 week when teams are doubling the price because they know the money you have available?


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Post by Crimey Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:49 pm

Fernando wrote:Sell Coutinho buy Aubameyang play Firmino AM not CF & your better already.

Been playing too much Fifa.

We have to play three in midfield or expect us to be even worse defensively! Never mind removing one of those midfielders to play an out an out centre forward.

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Post by Hero Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:33 pm

It's only the past couple of seasons he's been moved to the CF role, at Hoffenheim he was predominantly an AM, in 33 games there in the 14/15 season he played 22 of them as AM and got 11 assists, the year before he got 12 assists in 25 games from that role.

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Post by lfc91 Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:50 pm

Hero wrote:It's only the past couple of seasons he's been moved to the CF role, at Hoffenheim he was predominantly an AM, in 33 games there in the 14/15 season he played 22 of them as AM and got 11 assists, the year before he got 12 assists in 25 games from that role.

When you say AM do you mean the traditional behind a striker role? Think the point is Coutinho is being lined up to play deeper than that, part of a midfield 3 as opposed to attacking 3.

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Post by Crimey Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:19 pm

Hero wrote:It's only the past couple of seasons he's been moved to the CF role, at Hoffenheim he was predominantly an AM, in 33 games there in the 14/15 season he played 22 of them as AM and got 11 assists, the year before he got 12 assists in 25 games from that role.

I'm aware of that, but that was now three seasons go, he's played as the main forward for the last 2 seasons for Liverpool and that's where he's performed best. Liverpool are poor enough defensively without playing with one less midfielder, and also losing Firmino's pressing from the front.

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Post by Hero Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:31 pm

Or even as ThisisAnfield suggest by reverting to a 4231 formation and sticking Firmino in the AM role:

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2017/08/4-2-3-1-formation-make-return-liverpool-season/

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Post by Crimey Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:43 pm

Liverpool are already bad defensively with the extra protection. That team would get absolutely torn apart. At least at the moment with the 3 up front and the 3 in midfield, we have Firmino providing defence from the front with his pressing and Henderson is able to drop off into defence.

Only way that formation would work is if Can and Henderson both dropped really deep and essentially played right in front of the centre backs but I don't that would work in a Klopp side. It would mean there is too much space down the flanks, at the moment Henderson can drop in between the centre backs, allowing them to split and cover wide. Emre Can simply doesn't have the discipline to play that deep. Klopp tried the double pivot in his first season and it never worked, especially with that personnel. That formation is just far too attacking.

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Post by Fernando Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:05 pm

I doubt it would change your system any differently tbh Crimey. If Firmino drops back into the 3 he ran about enough last year to be effective there. Auba likes to press aswell.

On the plus side it's nice to see you accepting Coutinho is off unlike most Liverpool fans ive spoke to cos with Salah/Mane out wide he'd have been shuffled into that 3 aswell and he's lazier then Firmino.

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Post by Fernando Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:14 pm

Zlatan has signed a new 1 year deal at United

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Post by Hero Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:16 pm

Klopp for the majority of his time at Dortmund played 4231 with pressing forwards, it worked for him then, Firmino and Aubameyang both are willing to do that.

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Post by GSC Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:55 pm

Barca agree deal for Deliver rising to 110m
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Post by westisbest Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:03 pm

We've been linked with Snodgrass.
Would take him.
Probably more suited to this level.

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Post by GSC Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:19 pm

Bruce actually planning to coach anyone up or just trying to survive on big names.
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Post by westisbest Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:46 pm

We've got some good youngsters at Villa.
Good to have a blend of youth at experience.
Re Snodgrass, worked with him before, could be decent addition if he arrives.

Having said that, no to bothered if he doesn't come, have enough options.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:36 am

Steve Bruce: "In that respect it has been a difficult summer. I have not been able to spend millions." Incredible.

Also apparently keen to let McCormack go.

Please take Snoddy off us; he's not a bad player, but he's slow and it just hasn't looked like working. A panic move and worse than signing Fonte

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