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Post by AdamT on Wed 30 Aug 2017, 10:41 pm

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Now that the sideshow is out of the way, we have a serious fight just around the corner.

I have been watching both guys in their workouts and they are looking insane!

I said I find it hard to pick a winner. I still do, but I am leaning to GGG. Canelo is looking like a beast, but he might be too fired up. GGG just looks much more at ease, at least when he is being interviewed. No matter what I have said about Gennady, he is a very hard fighter to beat and he is obviously very focused for the biggest fight of his career.

Both guys are brilliant boxers and both guys have serious power. I just think GGG's experience and aura at 160 will give him a slight edge. Canelo is very tough, but I expect GGG to come from behind on the scorecards and stop a tiring Canelo very late.

Can't wait for this now and no doubt by the time this fight comes round, I could be leaning to Canelo. It's a great fight!

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Thu 14 Sep 2017, 5:42 am

Floyd is 40 years old

And a welterweight and not even a big welterweight

Ridiculous match up


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Post by AdamT on Thu 14 Sep 2017, 6:43 am

This fight isn't about Floyd. He has had his career and GGG is looking to add to his.

Late stoppage GGG. I still think he will come from behind and close the show.

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Post by milkyboy on Thu 14 Sep 2017, 6:50 am

Herman Jaeger wrote:I prefer to see him fight Thurman actually he's clearly got Thurman problems

Despite what others say, I think it's an honour to have you on the board Keith

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Thu 14 Sep 2017, 7:12 am

You've blown my cover milky I am actually Keith Thurman

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Post by milkyboy on Thu 14 Sep 2017, 7:59 am

Sorry about that hermy... hope you don't start throwing threats of legal action about it like when that other sporting superstar coxy was outed.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Thu 14 Sep 2017, 5:39 pm

Check out the last thirty seconds of this video I don't think Oscar has anything to worry about I'm sure Canelo is going to give a great account of himself:

http://www.boxingscene.com/video-de-la-hoya-explains-why-canelo-golovkin-war--120452

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Thu 14 Sep 2017, 6:53 pm

I think as long as Canelo puts on a show he will get respect from everyone

He won't lose too much status either

He had to take this fight because it was his only real option, if he wins he becomes a mega star, if he loses its not really that bad

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Thu 14 Sep 2017, 7:17 pm

If he wins he gets a mega payday with Floyd too

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Post by Scottrf on Thu 14 Sep 2017, 7:30 pm

Herman Jaeger wrote:I wouldn't go that far but there's obviously something about Thurman he doesn't like
Lack of profile?

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Post by AdamT on Thu 14 Sep 2017, 8:05 pm

Herman Floyd is retired. He will not fight Canelo, or even beat Canelo now if he did.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Thu 14 Sep 2017, 10:02 pm

Canelo will always be easy work for Floyd imo

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Post by Marlonz on Thu 14 Sep 2017, 10:06 pm

BoxingFan88 wrote:Floyd is 40 years old

And a welterweight and not even a big welterweight

Ridiculous match up

Let me see - Floyd beat Canelo, a guy who actually weighs more in the ring than GGG does. There are rumours he will call Canelo out should Canelo win.

"Canelo wins easily and stops GGG in 6 rounds..." - Floyd Mayweather. "You saw what Kell Brook did to GGG, imagine if that had been me in there..." - Floyd Mayweather...

I'm sorry but given the comments he has routinely made about GGG together with using a guy who was 0-0-0 to break Marciano's record, it will reflect very poorly on Mayweather if he suddenly goes silent should Golovkin win. At the very least the guy would deserve to be challenged over how insincere it would make him look.

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Post by AdamT on Thu 14 Sep 2017, 10:14 pm

Marlonz wrote:
BoxingFan88 wrote:Floyd is 40 years old

And a welterweight and not even a big welterweight

Ridiculous match up

Let me see - Floyd beat Canelo, a guy who actually weighs more in the ring than GGG does. There are rumours he will call Canelo out should Canelo win.

"Canelo wins easily and stops GGG in 6 rounds..." - Floyd Mayweather. "You saw what Kell Brook did to GGG, imagine if that had been me in there..." - Floyd Mayweather...

I'm sorry but given the comments he has routinely made about GGG together with using a guy who was 0-0-0 to break Marciano's record, it will reflect very poorly on Mayweather if he suddenly goes silent should Golovkin win. At the very least the guy would deserve to be challenged over how insincere it would make him look.

Are you serious? Can't you just let the guy stay retired. He doesn't need to fight Canelo or GGG to prove anything.

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Post by Marlonz on Thu 14 Sep 2017, 10:29 pm

AdamT wrote:
Marlonz wrote:
BoxingFan88 wrote:Floyd is 40 years old

And a welterweight and not even a big welterweight

Ridiculous match up

Let me see - Floyd beat Canelo, a guy who actually weighs more in the ring than GGG does. There are rumours he will call Canelo out should Canelo win.

"Canelo wins easily and stops GGG in 6 rounds..." - Floyd Mayweather. "You saw what Kell Brook did to GGG, imagine if that had been me in there..." - Floyd Mayweather...

I'm sorry but given the comments he has routinely made about GGG together with using a guy who was 0-0-0 to break Marciano's record, it will reflect very poorly on Mayweather if he suddenly goes silent should Golovkin win. At the very least the guy would deserve to be challenged over how insincere it would make him look.

Are you serious? Can't you just let the guy stay retired. He doesn't need to fight Canelo or GGG to prove anything.

Yes, but you can't have it both ways. And he was "retired" when he said the majority of his negative comments about Golovkin, then came back and fought McGregor FFS!? You can defend him all you want but you have to accept people have the right to challenge how hypocritical and contradictory he is.

Also, I seem to remember him supposedly retiring several times before with people defending him, saying "The man's retired... leave him alone..", only for him to come back again and again.

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Post by AdamT on Thu 14 Sep 2017, 11:08 pm

You do realise GGG called him out first and said he would knock Floyd out?

You're obviously a hater that wants to see him lose.

GGG should call Ward out, if he wins Saturday.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 14 Sep 2017, 11:10 pm

Can't see Canelo winning this.............The guy that beats GGG will either be able to back him up (let us see him fight when he isn't coming forward)..............Or be able to take his shots and take advantage of the leaky defence and stamina issues which will develop at his age..

Both scenarios for me happen at 168...........

Canelo is a better operator than say a Callum Smith but he won't have the size to bother him...Pick all Smith, Groves and Degale to beat GGG......

Wears Canelo down and stops him in 9.


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Post by AdamT on Thu 14 Sep 2017, 11:13 pm

I think he wears him down too and pick the 10th round.

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Post by Marlonz on Thu 14 Sep 2017, 11:33 pm

AdamT wrote:You do realise GGG called him out first and said he would knock Floyd out?

You're obviously a hater that wants to see him lose.

GGG should call Ward out, if he wins Saturday.

No, I just feel the right to challenge hypocritical behaviour.

Yes, I do wonder how Mayweather would have fared, had he fought outside the U.S., with a different commision, referees, judges, etc. Other fighters did that and to me, that is more admirable, regardless of whether they have losses or not.

You might be a Floyd fan who thinks legitimate criticism of him equates to being a "hater", but it's the same criteria I judge all fighters by. Floyd should be no different.

On a sidenote, I could use your logic and label you a hater that wants to see GGG lose for suggesting he calls Ward out, if he wins. I'm pretty sure you think Ward will beat him, right?


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Post by AdamT on Thu 14 Sep 2017, 11:38 pm

He always fought in the US. Most big fighters did the same.

Judge him however you like. But GGG is a younger career MW. Floyd started at 130. GGG didn't jump up to challenge anyone either.

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Post by Marlonz on Thu 14 Sep 2017, 11:41 pm

No they did'nt. Hagler fought on the international road, Ali fought all over the world.

Like I said, it's more impressive because we know how they fared in situations that were hard to legislate for. That's always going to leave no question marks.

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Post by LionsV2 on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 12:12 am

Hagler fought all of three fights abroad against the mighty Minter, Obelmejias and a journeyman.

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Post by DuransHorse on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 3:59 am

Not 100% sure but I'm feeling GGG. I'm not sure why taking punches but beating Special K in the 5th, then beating Jacobs, a dangerous taller man with serious punch power and skill, is seen as a sign of deterioration when Canelo gets praise for taking longer to deal with Khan, who I think at that stage Kell beats, then going to points with a well past it, shot and weight drained Chavez, who was never much to begin with.

Is the line for this fight correct? GGG never having touched the canvas against bigger men surely rules out a KO possibility for Canelo if he can't stop Chavez. Does Canelo even stop Kell? My bet is if Canelo can win it has to be points surely?

I know Canelo will be heavier fight night but that doesn't really mean natural punch power materialises. I think GGG finds him at some stage and stop him after the 6th.

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Post by DuransHorse on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 4:21 am

I'll add that although I think he's improved, the lack of urgency in the Floyd fight still brothers me about Canelo and his corner. They just seemed to cruise to the loss quite contentedly. There was no "You have to give it everything now and take him out. He's ahead and you can't catch him but it's ok, you still look fresh and unhurt so you have to leave nothing in the ring these last few rounds". It's like there's only one gear.

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Post by catchweight on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 5:50 am

Golovkin certainly looks to have lost some spark over the last year or two. Not just in performances but also out of the ring. He looks like he has been going through the motions in his last couple of fights rather than the fighter before that who really looked like he enjoyed what he was doing. A bit tired / flat / bored.


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Post by Herman Jaeger on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 8:02 am

Scottrf wrote:
Herman Jaeger wrote:I wouldn't go that far but there's obviously something about Thurman he doesn't like
Lack of profile?

Ah the old profile chestnut

Ortiz, Berto and Maidana twice had bigger profiles than Thurman?

Oh come now..

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Post by AdamT on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 7:54 pm

Keith Thurman reminds me of Sugar Ray Leonard. His skills are sensational. He beat Danny the 'terror' Garcia!!

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 8:37 pm

Funny that Thurman is one fight from becoming the best welterweight in the world yet Ortiz, Maidana twice and Berto all get a fight before him. These are fighters who never got anywhere near the top five in their division but Keith has to fight Floyd's boy. Top thirty Adam but come on leave out the top five talk

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Post by AdamT on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 8:41 pm

I agree Herman. I think Thurman has far too much skill for peak Floyd. Thurman is probably top 20.

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Post by LionsV2 on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 8:43 pm

I forgot that Mayweather fought Ortiz in 2011 instead of Thurman, I also forget that he was in prime position for a fight when he fought Maidana too.

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Post by hogey on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 8:44 pm

Got a feeling Alverez is going to dominate this fight and land heavy and often GGG's defence has looked very leaky in his recent fights. My bet is on him to either win a wide points decision or wear down and stop GGG late. I don't really mind which way it goes though as long as it lives up to the hype and serve us up a cracker.

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Post by AdamT on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 8:49 pm

hogey wrote:Got a feeling Alverez is going to dominate this fight and land heavy and often GGG's defence has looked very leaky in his recent fights. My bet is on him to either win a wide points decision or wear down and stop GGG late. I don't really mind which way it goes though as long as it lives up to the hype and serve us up a cracker.

I have backed GGG from the beginning, but Canelo looks sharp!!! Many across the pond favour him. Also many fighters favour him.

This is set up to be a cracking fight. Hopefully it lives up to the hype and it's similar to the AJ and Wlad fight.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 8:51 pm

LionsV2 wrote:I forgot that Mayweather fought Ortiz in 2011 instead of Thurman, I also forget that he was in prime position for a fight when he fought Maidana too.

Lions you know what I meant I didn't mean it in a timeline sense

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Post by LionsV2 on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 8:51 pm

It's not a relevant comment then is it.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 8:56 pm

AdamT wrote:I agree Herman. I think Thurman has far too much skill for peak Floyd. Thurman is probably top 20.

Why didn't Bradley get a fight with Floyd too? That's another one I'm annoyed about. Always thought Tim would have asked some serious questions of Floyd maybe even get the upset

All I know is that Floyd's 47 resume would look a lot better with Bradley Thurman and Porter than Ortiz Maidana and Berto. Wouldn't be that surprised if Porter ran Floyd very close either

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 8:58 pm

LionsV2 wrote:It's not a relevant comment then is it.

It is why did Thurman have to fight Floyd's boy?

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Post by LionsV2 on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 8:59 pm

There's common trend here, anyone that didn't fight him would run him close despite being bang average; nobody can seriously believe that Bradley, Thurman or Porter get anywhere near him nor add anything to his record.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 9:07 pm

The common trend is that Floyd avoided the most dangerous fights even Margarito directly post Cotto and retired when it was time to fight Miguel

Porter Bradley Thurman bang average?

Yet those are all in the top five..

Ortiz Maidana and Berto bottom half of the top ten. Now I see a trend

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Post by Scottrf on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 9:10 pm

Herman Jaeger wrote:The common trend is that Floyd avoided the most dangerous fights even Margarito directly post Cotto and retired when it was time to fight Miguel

Porter Bradley Thurman bang average?

Yet those are all in the top five..

Ortiz Maidana and Berto bottom half of the top ten. Now I see a trend

What if the top 3 had an extra loss and the bottom 3 an extra win?

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Post by AdamT on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 9:14 pm

I love the avoided Margarito angle. The guy that cheats with plaster!

In hindsight, he made a brilliant decision. Plus Baldomir was the champ at the time.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 9:18 pm

Floyd's 47 reign wasn't about proving he was the best that's all some critics are contending

Until someone proves to me that Ortiz, Maidana and Berto are better than Bradley, Porter and Thurman then far as I'm concerned  the debate is over

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Post by LionsV2 on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 9:18 pm

Herman Jaeger wrote:The common trend is that Floyd avoided the most dangerous fights even Margarito directly post Cotto and retired when it was time to fight Miguel

Porter Bradley Thurman bang average?

Yet those are all in the top five..

Ortiz Maidana and Berto bottom half of the top ten. Now I see a trend


Ortiz and Maidana were both in the top five when he fought them, good try though Herman.

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Post by LionsV2 on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 9:19 pm

Herman Jaeger wrote:Floyd's 47 reign wasn't about proving he was the best that's all some critics are contending

Until someone proves to me that Ortiz, Maidana and Berto are better than Bradley, Porter and Thurman then far as I'm concerned  the debate is over

Prove to me that Bradley, Porter and Thurman are better than Ortiz, Maidana and Berto?

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Post by AdamT on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 9:21 pm

Thurman and Porter are the modern Leonard and Hearns.

Bradley reminds me of Aaron Pryor.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 9:23 pm

LionsV2 wrote:
Herman Jaeger wrote:Floyd's 47 reign wasn't about proving he was the best that's all some critics are contending

Until someone proves to me that Ortiz, Maidana and Berto are better than Bradley, Porter and Thurman then far as I'm concerned  the debate is over

Prove to me that Bradley, Porter and Thurman are better than Ortiz, Maidana and Berto?


I don't need to I just know it instinctively

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 9:25 pm

AdamT wrote:Thurman and Porter are the modern Leonard and Hearns.

Bradley reminds me of Aaron Pryor.


Was I saying that? No

But I do know they'd have given Floyd far and away more problems than Ortiz Maidana and Berto. They're real top five welterweights


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Post by AdamT on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 9:25 pm

Herman Jaeger wrote:
LionsV2 wrote:
Herman Jaeger wrote:Floyd's 47 reign wasn't about proving he was the best that's all some critics are contending

Until someone proves to me that Ortiz, Maidana and Berto are better than Bradley, Porter and Thurman then far as I'm concerned  the debate is over

Prove to me that Bradley, Porter and Thurman are better than Ortiz, Maidana and Berto?


I don't need to I just know it instinctively

I don't need to prove Floyd can beat Thurman and the other bums. I just know it instinctively. He beat Cotto, Canelo and Oscar. He beats them other guys.

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Post by AdamT on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 9:27 pm

Herman Jaeger wrote:
AdamT wrote:Thurman and Porter are the modern Leonard and Hearns.

Bradley reminds me of Aaron Pryor.


Was I saying that? No

But I do know they'd have given Floyd far and away more problems than Ortiz Maidana and Berto. They're real top five welterweights


Would they give him more trouble than Cotto at 154? Or Oscar at 154? Or a still very good Manny at 147 (who outclassed Bradley after Floyd loss).

Stop being silly Herman. Lions is taking you to school. As am I!

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 9:31 pm

Yeah post Margo almost killed Miguel. Nearing retirement Oscar and weight drained Canelo

Just some of us wanted to see Floyd test his skills with some prime top five welters

Shame we never did and imo it hurts Floyd's 47 reign

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 9:32 pm

AdamT wrote:
Herman Jaeger wrote:
AdamT wrote:Thurman and Porter are the modern Leonard and Hearns.

Bradley reminds me of Aaron Pryor.


Was I saying that? No

But I do know they'd have given Floyd far and away more problems than Ortiz Maidana and Berto. They're real top five welterweights


Would they give him more trouble than Cotto at 154? Or Oscar at 154? Or a still very good Manny at 147 (who outclassed Bradley after Floyd loss).

Stop being silly Herman. Lions is taking you to school. As am I!

Don't blow your own trumpet Adam haha sign that you're losing

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Post by LionsV2 on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 9:33 pm

Impressive list of excuses but the three of them are still far superior to Keith Thurman; his struggles with Collazo, Porter and Garcia show his level and it's not elite level.

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