Post Ashes England Cricket discussion - ODIs and the NZ squads

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As Olly roundly predicted (and I can tell you, he aggressively told people), England have stormed the Ashes and now move forwards to a one-day series with the Aussies.

Tonight, they name the squad for New Zealand, with Vince expected to keep his place for more convincing knocks, whilst Liam Livingstone is tipped to get the call too.

Single off a high no ball...this Cummins over a shocker for Australia : wides , no balls , free hits : twenty four off that penultimate over.

Could even get 300 now !

A score of 300 still not out of the question. With an over left and England are 288 for 6.

A review for LBW against Buttler. And Buttler is safe.

Lbw ? Given but Jos reviews : big inside edge so he's safe.

Ambitious idea to reverse sweep Starc :

Cost a run though.

Fifty for Woakes.

England bring up the 300.

Wow Buttler brings up his century on the last ball of the innings. England end up with 302 for 6.

Heck of a last ten over , this. Woakes four , six ...over fifty

300 up : one ball left. Buttler on 98 ...

Back for two

One of the great hundreds

Australia, you feel, let that slip there after containing England early on.

Huge effort to get 302 from there. Brilliant finish from Buttler and Woakes.

Can't say impossible ; but I think it will be very tough for Australia to run this down.

83 ball hundred and it’s easily his slowest yet - what a ridiculous player Buttler is - great great innings

England tightening their grip on this match with a coupke of early wickets. Austrakua 44 for 2. Wicket a piece for Woakes and Wood.

A worry for England as Plunkett goes off injured midway through an over. Perhaps a hamstring? Australia 61 for 2 from 12 overs.

Not a lot of cover with Plunkett off the field...Root is good for a spell but really nobody else to vary things...

Tough target for Australia but these two are dangerous : I feel England want to get one of them sooner rather than later to keep this under control.

Plunkett going off is a huge blow - hopefully he can come back on, but that tips it in Australia’s favour for me

Yes . If Plunkett can't come back then England could be battling to keep any control over the last ten or twelve overs.

That's if it gets to that , of course. Australia doesn't have the same batting depth today ; so if England's spinners can grab a couple of wickets it may be that their innings can be cut short ?

Finch is in some form ! Two sixes in a row...Root under pressure.

Yes Finch beginning to go up through the gears but Rashid traps him.lbw. Reviewed.

And Finch goes. Rashid picks up another crucial wicket in this series.

But he's gone now ! Rashid strikes ...lbw reviewed but that always looked out.
113/3 and the advantage swings back to England.

Seems clear Plunkett won't be back if he's icing a hamstring : so Root will have to bowl his spell.
Better do it now with Finch out. Morgan has not much room to move in terms of bowling changes so need Moeen to be on the ball too.
As Rashid is a wicket taker but rarely economical , the run rate is likely to stay within Australia's control. Wickets very much the key now.

alfie wrote:But he's gone now ! Rashid strikes ...lbw reviewed but that always looked out.
113/3 and the advantage swings back to England.

Morning / evening folks - only been watching for the last few overs but I would fancy Australia from here. Their line up looks a batsman light but our (apparently) losing Plunkett for the rest of the game is a more serious blow. Feel we are going to need to bowl them out to win and that 7 more wickets in 20 or so overs is a tall order.

Jesus that’s a hard call. Looks like it hit floor as he got it to hand

Well what a big moment in the game !

Smith caught behind...but maybe it didn't carry ? Ten minutes later and the soft signal of "out" from the on field umpires eventually sealed his fate...

Guess that one will be debated for ages. I was actually out and settling for radio at the time ; but from replays I've seen since : one , it looked out live , so original decision reasonable...two the slow mo looks dodgy : but is it decisive enough to overrule the out call ? Probably not ; so by the rules as they stand the decision is correct...though I'm sure that won't end the debate.

The match itself very much in the balance. Run rate still well within reach ; but another wicket now would make the chase difficult. Stoinis has started brightly !

Smith looked right at it originally and walked off, then hung around like the SEN he is moaning - if it’s not out why’d you walk originally piggy?

This one in the balance. Australia putting partnerships together and playing sensibly. Until then.....

Marsh caught on the ropes and Rashid picks up his second key wicket.

Marsh holes out ...important wicket for the excellent Rashid

A lot on Stoinis now...I fancy England slightly in the ascendancy again ?

Australia now 210 for 5 and the required run rate now edging up towards 8.50.

England favourites now. Australia are left relying on all-rounders to raise the scoring rate.

alfie wrote:Well what a big moment in the game !

Smith caught behind...but maybe it didn't carry ?  Ten minutes later and the soft signal of "out" from the on field umpires eventually sealed his fate...

Guess that one will be debated for ages.  I was actually out and settling for radio at the time ; but from replays I've seen since : one , it looked out live , so original decision reasonable...two the slow mo looks dodgy : but is it decisive enough to overrule the out call ? Probably not ; so by the rules as they stand the decision is correct...though I'm sure that won't end the debate.

The match itself very much in the balance.  Run rate still well within reach ; but another wicket now would make the chase difficult. Stoinis has started brightly !

Rather unnoticed in that lifetime of deliberation - or at least not mentioned on comms by Channel 9's Aussie cheerleaders or the English buffoons in a BT bunker - was the high quality pace bowling of Wood. He deserved the wicket and I go along with Alfie's assessment of the decision.

Rashid and Moeen doing a great job of strangling the scoring ...run rate over nine...

At some point Stoinis will have to launch an assault . Still some competent bats to come but you'd think the set batsman would be the most likely to produce the big finish needed. Could be a close finish.

Superb bowling from Wood and Rashid has forced the run rate over twelve...

Not finding the boundaries at the moment and they need to do so quickly..and often. Not over yet ...but it is leaving a lot to the last lap , as it were .

This is in the bag for England. Just feel this pair are not capable of scoring at the required rate from here in. They really needed Finch or Warner in this situation.

Fine spell Rashid

Eleven off his last : but that still pushed the run rate further out.

43 needed off three...

CaledonianCraig wrote:This is in the bag for England. Just feel this pair are not capable of scoring at the required rate from here in. They really needed Finch or Warner in this situation.

Tempting fate , Craig

Stoinis is a big hitter ; Paine not really. Think they're looking for a small miracle or some loose bowling...but as you suggest , they aren't looking capable of the boundary hitting now required.

Actually a good over for Australia : thirteen scored off Woakes. But still need thirty off two...

alfie wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:This is in the bag for England. Just feel this pair are not capable of scoring at the required rate from here in. They really needed Finch or Warner in this situation.

Tempting fate , Craig

Stoinis is a big hitter ; Paine not really. Think they're looking for a small miracle or some loose bowling...but as you suggest , they aren't looking capable of the boundary hitting now required.

Actually a good over for Australia : thirteen scored off Woakes.  But still need thirty off two...

No I stand by it.

10 runs off the 49th bowled by Wood who has done very well today. It wasn't in the bag a few minutes ago but that should save Craig's blushes!

Channel nine coms staying unreasonably hopeful ...I think rather fooled by the fact that the run rate has been ahead of England's throughout : overlooking the fact that Cummins conceded 24 in the forty ninth...

Now they need 22 off Woakes' last. If they do that they deserve the win !

Stoinis caught in the deep to seal it. Woakes strikes.

Channel 9 seem to think that 4x4=19. With 4 balls left, they were saying that four fours were needed!

Stoinis caught in the deep and even Mark Taylor can give up now

Stoinis played well : but if I'm to be harsh I think he needed to go after England's spinners harder in their last few overs ; left far too much to do at the end.

With the unfortunate loss of Plunkett to overcome , this was a fine win for England

Buttler I suppose has to be MoTM . But Woakes for the second game in a row is unfortunate not to be so honored ! He had an outstanding match again

And England win to go 3-0 up to win the series. Great century by Buttler supported by a fine Woakes fifty and Wood, Rashid and Woakes with the ball.

Top top class win that - to recover from 190/6, and from losing one of your five strike bowlers is really great stuff from England - Morgan may be a bit flaky with the bat, but he really is a magnificent captain in the field

alfie wrote:Stoinis caught in the deep and even Mark Taylor can give up now

Stoinis played well : but if I'm to be harsh I think he needed to go after England's spinners harder in their last few overs ; left far too much to do at the end.

With the unfortunate loss of Plunkett to overcome , this was a fine win for England

Alfie - yeah, a fine win. I thought we would need 10 wickets to pull this one off. Ah well, in the words of Peter May - ''in this game, we are always learning''.

I'm sure there'll be a lot of focus on Smith's wicket but Marsh's and when it happened was probably just as important. Admittedly, a difficult balance for him between wanting to stay in and push on but he does struggle to find middle gears.

Particularly impressed by Wood today, a bowler I haven't seen that much.

Indeed Olly is spot on in commending Morgan for his managing of the side in the field...not easy when you lose a key bowler so early ; but he did it brilliantly. Hope he can get his run scoring back on track as I think England need him to lead them through the 2019 World Cup.

Yes , guildford , Wood was very impressive . Not for the first time in white ball cricket.
I still think he might make a Test bowler if his fitness allows - might have been distinctly handy last month but he obviously wasn't ready in time.
Think we will see him in whites in NZ.

Alfie - for all Curran's enthusiasm and willingness, I'm sure Wood would have been some way further up the pecking order than the Surrey seamer if the selectors had been (more) satisfied as to his fitness for the last two Ashes Tests.

With Wood, it so regularly seems to be a question of fitness. There's definitely pace and some talent there though. Provided there's no further occurrence of injury, I would be keen to see him play a Test or two in NZ. Should be a good opportunity for him in a less pressurised environment and hopefully with Stokes around as a 4th seamer to provide additional quality back up.

Duty281 wrote:Should be a good ODI series, one that I make England narrow favourites for; 11/4 is an excellent price.

One day, bookmakers will learn about the game of cricket, and start pricing it correctly.

Until then, however, it’s all gravy...

Well done England!

I hope someone has told the players this series win doesn't count as it's not a World Cup or Champions Trophy