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Re Sterling, he’s got more PL assists than any English player in the last year, 3rd most of anyone. As well as a shedload of goals, what a poopie player he is!!
Could this be it for Jose, I certainly hope so.
Re Sterling, he’s got more PL assists than any English player in the last year, 3rd most of anyone. As well as a shedload of goals, what a poopie player he is!!
Could this be it for Jose, I certainly hope so.
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Navy, I’m pretty sure the Tories had behaved in the same manner had it been Labour in charge. They do everything they can to bring the other party down. A bit like watching Sergio Ramos.
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Nah. I'm either not voting in future or I'm looking at minority parties such as Greens etc. Actually, I might wander into Polling Station and rip up my voting slip. Childish and of no use to anyone, but would make me feel temporarily much better.McLaren wrote:Navy remember that depending on where you live the labour candidate on your ballot paper might actually be a co-operative candidate running on a labour ticket. So you could vote for them even if you are not a fan of the national politics of the labour party.
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You're not suggesting that makes Labour doing that OK now, are you?? Please say you aren't. FFS, what sort of country is this now?pedro wrote:Navy, I’m pretty sure the Tories had behaved in the same manner had it been Labour in charge. They do everything they can to bring the other party down. A bit like watching Sergio Ramos.
Do any of these Cabinet/Shadow Cabinet politicians do anything that's for the wider good, and not simply for their own political careers/finances?? The French have the right idea, as a French colleague of mine once suggested - chop a few heads off every now and again; keeps them a bit more honest. Pity we've moved on a few hundred years and that sort of thing isn't acceptable...
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There us undoubtedly a hell of a lot that goes on in politics that is very worthwhile, cross party select committees looking to improve all sorts of archaic or outdated things. I have no doubt there are thoroughly decent MPs from all sides (I exclude the DUP obviously) trying to make a difference.
When you basically have 2 ideologically incompatible parties I’m not sure why you’d expect them to agree.
Anyway, here we go, an actual real crunch Brexit point. I’ve thought all along this the time when a referendum can come into play. Can’t see how she gets the deal proposal through which leaves a general election or another referendum or no deal. Lots of people wanting Chequers to fail but with completely different end games in mind.
I don’t pretend to be an EU expert but 2 things to me were always stark staringly obvious. 1. Leaving would be incredibly complex. 2. The EU simply are not in a position to give a good deal as it would jeopardise the whole future of the organisation.
Abd here we are...
When you basically have 2 ideologically incompatible parties I’m not sure why you’d expect them to agree.
Anyway, here we go, an actual real crunch Brexit point. I’ve thought all along this the time when a referendum can come into play. Can’t see how she gets the deal proposal through which leaves a general election or another referendum or no deal. Lots of people wanting Chequers to fail but with completely different end games in mind.
I don’t pretend to be an EU expert but 2 things to me were always stark staringly obvious. 1. Leaving would be incredibly complex. 2. The EU simply are not in a position to give a good deal as it would jeopardise the whole future of the organisation.
Abd here we are...
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Diggers wrote:super_realist wrote:beninho wrote:I am surprised how people still believe in the tories, but I am also not surprised as we have a lot of people with right wing views in this country, which is why the newspapers pander to them.
The hatred of corbyn is media driven and people have fallen for it, people talk of Venezuela, with no real basis, but its because they've read it somewhere.
The country is a mess, and it's all down to the tory party, 8 years in power and what to show of it.
But I'd take Cameron back over May! I hate how politics has becone about pandering to the left and right minorities. Wheres the centre ground gone?
Yeah keep going Mac.
Corbyn hatred is not just media driven, it's Corbyn driven. The guy is completely unlikeable. It's not the media who are laying wreaths for terrorists but pretending he can't remember, it's not the media meeting the IRA, but not meeting opposition, it's not the media motorcycling to one of the worst police states in history with the innumerate and ill prepared Abbott, it's not the media not apologising for anti Semitism in his party, it's not the media who failed to beat the worst Tory government in post war history, it's not the media failing to expel people like Ken Livingston, it's not the media pretending there are no seats on trains when there are plenty. The guys an arse, and it doesn't take a media vendetta to see it.
It's not the media painting Corbyn to be a plank, it's Corbyn as well.
Just a point. You do realise the fact that you don't like him doesn't make him unlikable. Look at how many 10s of thousands of people he draws at rallies if you want evidence of that. Or is that my fault for taking your completely literal comment literally?
Jesus Christ, Yeah, Jezfest was really popular wasn't it?
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The British public has to take a lot of the blame for the state of the NHS rather than always blaming whichever government is in at the time.Diggers wrote:dynamark wrote:Digs I get it you are a socialist- I believe now in teaching so going down the underfunded line which is natural.
Universall credit is a much better system when its in full flow.HNS like defence can spend as much cash as we can throw at it. Last year I had the hip replacement and was treated very well but with a 20 week wait .Private would have been 2 weeks I had the choice but having put £100 k plus into NHI and NI I waited. I have worked in social housing for years and have tenants of my own .Numerous cases of folk using the benefits system to extremes knowing the rules and no one challenges them because they are sick or ethnic or religious.No intention of ever going to work or making a contribution whilst they can live of the system of benefits that is laid out like a banquet in front of them.Life isn't easy but if you put in some effort theres a lot to enjoy.
People living on the street we put them in a flat and they cannot cope with it .Single mums in an HA flat who always,always have a non live in boyfriend .Too many folk happy to take but not contribution
I'm really not a socialist. But I do believe the society we live in is far too unjust. Re the NHS, my mum and sister and brother in law have all recently had fantastic service, but it's a service that's massively under pressure.
I don't disagree with the principle of universal credit, it's simplified and could work, what I'm saying is it was underfunded and the roll out has been a complete horlicks.
Something like 20% of the NHS spending is connected to Type 2 Diabetes, a lifestyle related illness. Add all the other elements of lifestyle such as drinking related problems, drugs etc and you realise that it's not all down to a lack of funding, we as a population have massively increased the strain we put on the NHS. Go back 30 years to when the NHS worked better, these things were nothing like the problem they are now, add in to that an ageing and growing population and you can see it's not all down to Labour and the Tories.
Saying that, it's pretty clear the NHS needs some major reform, and given that we pay for Dental and Optician services, we probably need to make contributions to visiting the Doctors surgery too.
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super_realist wrote:Diggers wrote:super_realist wrote:beninho wrote:I am surprised how people still believe in the tories, but I am also not surprised as we have a lot of people with right wing views in this country, which is why the newspapers pander to them.
The hatred of corbyn is media driven and people have fallen for it, people talk of Venezuela, with no real basis, but its because they've read it somewhere.
The country is a mess, and it's all down to the tory party, 8 years in power and what to show of it.
But I'd take Cameron back over May! I hate how politics has becone about pandering to the left and right minorities. Wheres the centre ground gone?
Yeah keep going Mac.
Corbyn hatred is not just media driven, it's Corbyn driven. The guy is completely unlikeable. It's not the media who are laying wreaths for terrorists but pretending he can't remember, it's not the media meeting the IRA, but not meeting opposition, it's not the media motorcycling to one of the worst police states in history with the innumerate and ill prepared Abbott, it's not the media not apologising for anti Semitism in his party, it's not the media who failed to beat the worst Tory government in post war history, it's not the media failing to expel people like Ken Livingston, it's not the media pretending there are no seats on trains when there are plenty. The guys an arse, and it doesn't take a media vendetta to see it.
It's not the media painting Corbyn to be a plank, it's Corbyn as well.
Just a point. You do realise the fact that you don't like him doesn't make him unlikable. Look at how many 10s of thousands of people he draws at rallies if you want evidence of that. Or is that my fault for taking your completely literal comment literally?
Jesus Christ, Yeah, Jezfest was really popular wasn't it?
I thought you’d be ecstatic at a bit of anti semitism, it’s right in line with your Islamaphobia.
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Diggers wrote:super_realist wrote:Diggers wrote:super_realist wrote:beninho wrote:I am surprised how people still believe in the tories, but I am also not surprised as we have a lot of people with right wing views in this country, which is why the newspapers pander to them.
The hatred of corbyn is media driven and people have fallen for it, people talk of Venezuela, with no real basis, but its because they've read it somewhere.
The country is a mess, and it's all down to the tory party, 8 years in power and what to show of it.
But I'd take Cameron back over May! I hate how politics has becone about pandering to the left and right minorities. Wheres the centre ground gone?
Yeah keep going Mac.
Corbyn hatred is not just media driven, it's Corbyn driven. The guy is completely unlikeable. It's not the media who are laying wreaths for terrorists but pretending he can't remember, it's not the media meeting the IRA, but not meeting opposition, it's not the media motorcycling to one of the worst police states in history with the innumerate and ill prepared Abbott, it's not the media not apologising for anti Semitism in his party, it's not the media who failed to beat the worst Tory government in post war history, it's not the media failing to expel people like Ken Livingston, it's not the media pretending there are no seats on trains when there are plenty. The guys an arse, and it doesn't take a media vendetta to see it.
It's not the media painting Corbyn to be a plank, it's Corbyn as well.
Just a point. You do realise the fact that you don't like him doesn't make him unlikable. Look at how many 10s of thousands of people he draws at rallies if you want evidence of that. Or is that my fault for taking your completely literal comment literally?
Jesus Christ, Yeah, Jezfest was really popular wasn't it?
I thought you’d be ecstatic at a bit of anti semitism, it’s right in line with your Islamaphobia.
Nothing wrong with being against incredibly bad and stupid ideas like Islam Diggers, doesn't make you Islamaphobic to criticise a repulsive religion.
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super_realist wrote:Diggers wrote:super_realist wrote:Diggers wrote:super_realist wrote:beninho wrote:I am surprised how people still believe in the tories, but I am also not surprised as we have a lot of people with right wing views in this country, which is why the newspapers pander to them.
The hatred of corbyn is media driven and people have fallen for it, people talk of Venezuela, with no real basis, but its because they've read it somewhere.
The country is a mess, and it's all down to the tory party, 8 years in power and what to show of it.
But I'd take Cameron back over May! I hate how politics has becone about pandering to the left and right minorities. Wheres the centre ground gone?
Yeah keep going Mac.
Corbyn hatred is not just media driven, it's Corbyn driven. The guy is completely unlikeable. It's not the media who are laying wreaths for terrorists but pretending he can't remember, it's not the media meeting the IRA, but not meeting opposition, it's not the media motorcycling to one of the worst police states in history with the innumerate and ill prepared Abbott, it's not the media not apologising for anti Semitism in his party, it's not the media who failed to beat the worst Tory government in post war history, it's not the media failing to expel people like Ken Livingston, it's not the media pretending there are no seats on trains when there are plenty. The guys an arse, and it doesn't take a media vendetta to see it.
It's not the media painting Corbyn to be a plank, it's Corbyn as well.
Just a point. You do realise the fact that you don't like him doesn't make him unlikable. Look at how many 10s of thousands of people he draws at rallies if you want evidence of that. Or is that my fault for taking your completely literal comment literally?
Jesus Christ, Yeah, Jezfest was really popular wasn't it?
I thought you’d be ecstatic at a bit of anti semitism, it’s right in line with your Islamaphobia.
Nothing wrong with being against incredibly bad and stupid ideas like Islam Diggers, doesn't make you Islamaphobic to criticise a repulsive religion.
Really? I’m not really sure how your language makes you anything but Islamaphobic. Not sure how you can actually refute that with any degree of seriousness.
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Fine, if you think I'm Islamaphobic, it's no skin off my nose, I'd rather criticise it than defend the indefensible like Islam
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You can actually live in a world where you don’t have to defend Islam, whilst not being blatantly islamaphobic. In fact, an awful lot of people do just that.
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One person in the shadow cabinet and who is seriously unpopular on here but does political work for the greater good is Diane Abbot. Not sure how far that got her in your eyes?
One person in the shadow cabinet and who is seriously unpopular on here but does political work for the greater good is Diane Abbot. Not sure how far that got her in your eyes?
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I assume you are either ok with coming off as racist and islamophobic (as I have tried to ask you before to no reply) or you think the people on this forum are poor judges for assessing whether you are?
I assume you are either ok with coming off as racist and islamophobic (as I have tried to ask you before to no reply) or you think the people on this forum are poor judges for assessing whether you are?
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navyblueshorts wrote:Fair point, but you know what I mean - I'm not voting for either of their parties, pretty much regardless of their local representation in my area .Davie wrote:unless you live in their constituency you're not voting for them anyway!
Maybe I misunderstand what you are saying but surely you SHOULD be voting for the local representative
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Davie wrote:navyblueshorts wrote:Fair point, but you know what I mean - I'm not voting for either of their parties, pretty much regardless of their local representation in my area .Davie wrote:unless you live in their constituency you're not voting for them anyway!
Maybe I misunderstand what you are saying but surely you SHOULD be voting for the local representative
Be interesting to know how many people could name the representative of the party they vote for.
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Yeah, if you say so Mac.McLaren wrote:Navy
One person in the shadow cabinet and who is seriously unpopular on here but does political work for the greater good is Diane Abbot. Not sure how far that got her in your eyes?
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Part of the problem. The amount of canvassing/dialogue with the electorate is utter schiess.Diggers wrote:Davie wrote:navyblueshorts wrote:Fair point, but you know what I mean - I'm not voting for either of their parties, pretty much regardless of their local representation in my area .Davie wrote:unless you live in their constituency you're not voting for them anyway!
Maybe I misunderstand what you are saying but surely you SHOULD be voting for the local representative
Be interesting to know how many people could name the representative of the party they vote for.
Also, too many people now think their vote is an utter waste of time. Some form of PR would address that, but the shyster politicians aren't going to allow that. Oh no.
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We should all get thinking of who we vote for, we will have another election within the next 6months. No hope May gets her deal through parliament, leaving only option as an election or no deal brexit.
My local mp is nick hurd, tory boy in safe seat with family name. My vote is worthless. I'm a fan of proportional representation.
My local mp is nick hurd, tory boy in safe seat with family name. My vote is worthless. I'm a fan of proportional representation.
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Not sure how a GE does anything but extend the limbo. A labour win, probably means a softer single market Norway style deal - will that get through the house? Will there be time to do a deal? A Boris or Reed Mogg led Tory party wins...Christ alone knows what deal (or no deal) that produces. Still won’t get through. Can’t see any party getting a clear GE win and even then Brexit doesn’t mean party voting.
For me more likely a no deal (absolute utter disaster) or another referendum with options, which I believe will result in remain.
For me more likely a no deal (absolute utter disaster) or another referendum with options, which I believe will result in remain.
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If this deal is as the rumours say it is I’m not really sure what game Theresa’s playing any more. If she can’t get her deal through Parliament, and John Pienaar on the BBC, who talks a lot more sense than his boss Kuenssberg, reckons it doesn’t have a hope in hell, then that will trigger an election, but also probably a leadership fight first. I can only assume that Theresa’s plan is to fight off the Brexiteer party challenge, use that newfound authority to get a majority at a GE, and steer her deal through that way. It’s ambitious, I’ll give her that.
I suppose second prize for her is that if she loses round one, a Boris/JRM wing Brexiteer Tory leader would get nowhere near a majority in a GE. Then it’d be Corbyn’s turn to resolve the intractable... I actually think he’s played Brexit pretty well so far. No point in him taking the party full Remain because he’d have the not listening to democracy line thrown at him 24/7, and anyway the Lib Dems have shown that tactic doesn’t win votes. But it’s pretty clear if you read the small print that he’s never going to back any deal that Theresa brings back with her.
I suppose second prize for her is that if she loses round one, a Boris/JRM wing Brexiteer Tory leader would get nowhere near a majority in a GE. Then it’d be Corbyn’s turn to resolve the intractable... I actually think he’s played Brexit pretty well so far. No point in him taking the party full Remain because he’d have the not listening to democracy line thrown at him 24/7, and anyway the Lib Dems have shown that tactic doesn’t win votes. But it’s pretty clear if you read the small print that he’s never going to back any deal that Theresa brings back with her.
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McLaren wrote:Navy
One person in the shadow cabinet and who is seriously unpopular on here but does political work for the greater good is Diane Abbot. Not sure how far that got her in your eyes?
Like what Mac? What has Abbott ever done, outside of her constituency which has been of great use to the country? Abbott is no better than many MP's who have held Cabinet positions. Abbott brings nothing but embarrassment to her party. She is the Sarah Palin of the UK.
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NedB-H wrote:If this deal is as the rumours say it is I’m not really sure what game Theresa’s playing any more. If she can’t get her deal through Parliament, and John Pienaar on the BBC, who talks a lot more sense than his boss Kuenssberg, reckons it doesn’t have a hope in hell, then that will trigger an election, but also probably a leadership fight first. I can only assume that Theresa’s plan is to fight off the Brexiteer party challenge, use that newfound authority to get a majority at a GE, and steer her deal through that way. It’s ambitious, I’ll give her that.
I suppose second prize for her is that if she loses round one, a Boris/JRM wing Brexiteer Tory leader would get nowhere near a majority in a GE. Then it’d be Corbyn’s turn to resolve the intractableI actually think he’s played Brexit pretty well so far. No point in him taking the party full Remain because he’d have the not listening to democracy line thrown at him 24/7, and anyway the Lib Dems have shown that tactic doesn’t win votes. But it’s pretty clear if you read the small print that he’s never going to back any deal that Theresa brings back with her.
What? By not providing any ideas as to how he'd address it and hiding behind the fact that he's fortunately not in charge?
Imagine having an Anti EU/Anti Business/Anti Innovation/Anti Entrepreneur, socialist psychopath in charge of the country and the Brexit negotiations.
Brexit wouldn't go well under any political party, but Corbyn would be a disaster. I'm not even convinced he wants to be PM, he doesn't act like he does.
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Yes super, exactly by doing that. What does Corbyn have to gain by publishing his own Brexit plan? Either it’ll wind up the arch Brexiteers or it’ll wind up the remainers, unless he pulls a May and winds up both.
Labour have actually clearly said that they would support a Brexit plan that solved the NI issue by keeping some form of customs union, so you can guess what their Brexit might look like. But there’s no point in trying to be more specific than that because any plan is dependent on how the EU handle negotiations, and Jezza4PM isn’t privy to those.
The big plus to being intentionally vague is that it keeps all options open. I’m as remainer as you get but I’m realistic enough to see that if any PM just scrapped Brexit altogether right now the country would be chaos, as there would still more than enough leave sentiment for people to feel understandably betrayed. As Kwini hinted at by criticising Cameron, this is why single issue referenda are without fail stupid ideas.
If we want to avoid Brexit the only realistic way to do it is to publically still back it, and gradually drift towards a remain position under the pretence of the negotiations proving impossible. The Labour position allows for that route.
Labour have actually clearly said that they would support a Brexit plan that solved the NI issue by keeping some form of customs union, so you can guess what their Brexit might look like. But there’s no point in trying to be more specific than that because any plan is dependent on how the EU handle negotiations, and Jezza4PM isn’t privy to those.
The big plus to being intentionally vague is that it keeps all options open. I’m as remainer as you get but I’m realistic enough to see that if any PM just scrapped Brexit altogether right now the country would be chaos, as there would still more than enough leave sentiment for people to feel understandably betrayed. As Kwini hinted at by criticising Cameron, this is why single issue referenda are without fail stupid ideas.
If we want to avoid Brexit the only realistic way to do it is to publically still back it, and gradually drift towards a remain position under the pretence of the negotiations proving impossible. The Labour position allows for that route.
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Ned, shut up with your sensible reasoned arguments. We want wild unsubstantiated allegations and foaming at the mouth lunacy.
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Sorry, I should know better than to bring logic to a Brexit debate!
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The EU gives a nothing to a very Poopie deal to the UK. It can't do anything else. It sees the opportunity to, perhaps, have a short period of awkwardness while it retrenches. Incentivises those companies whose goods/services it currently imports from the UK to relocate in the EU in areas that aren't doing so well (southern Italy for example). 5 - 10 years later no-one gives a f**k about Brexit except the Brits with their begging bowl in hand trying to rejoin after 5 - 10 years of recession/depression with no clear political leadership after a series of elections in which the UK
(1) reflects the "no majority" party trend seen in other countries
(2) falls apart as the welsh and scots nationalists sieze the chance and leave
(3) Ireland becomes Ireland as the only way to have no border.
(1) reflects the "no majority" party trend seen in other countries
(2) falls apart as the welsh and scots nationalists sieze the chance and leave
(3) Ireland becomes Ireland as the only way to have no border.
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beninho wrote:Ned, shut up with your sensible reasoned arguments. We want wild unsubstantiated allegations and foaming at the mouth lunacy.
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Well, your opinion anyway. Reasoned as it appears to be, it's only opinion like that of the rest of us. Shame they only amount to the proverbial hill of beans.NedB-H wrote:Sorry, I should know better than to bring logic to a Brexit debate!
As to Corbyn publishing, or not, Labour's Brexit plan, I can see your point re. what he can gain, but that doesn't make him any less of a s**t. If Labour have a belief/policy re. Brexit I'd like to hear it. Fact is, they undoubtedly don't because they're as scheiss as the Tories and don't actually have a clue. So it suits them to waffle while the Tories may, or may not, implode.
My opinion, which is worthless .
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I hope you're wrong, but it's all too easy to imagine the scenario you paint. To add to that, if the EU were to let us rejoin in the future, it would be no rebates, the Euro, etc etc, which would really pi55 off the Brexiteers - the UK in harmony for decades to come .Roller_Coaster wrote:The EU gives a nothing to a very Poopie deal to the UK. It can't do anything else. It sees the opportunity to, perhaps, have a short period of awkwardness while it retrenches. Incentivises those companies whose goods/services it currently imports from the UK to relocate in the EU in areas that aren't doing so well (southern Italy for example). 5 - 10 years later no-one gives a f**k about Brexit except the Brits with their begging bowl in hand trying to rejoin after 5 - 10 years of recession/depression with no clear political leadership after a series of elections in which the UK
(1) reflects the "no majority" party trend seen in other countries
(2) falls apart as the welsh and scots nationalists sieze the chance and leave
(3) Ireland becomes Ireland as the only way to have no border.
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Apropos of Brexit, I signed, as a witness, two of my neighbours' applications for Irish passports over the weekend. That in a cul-de-sac of ten houses.
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When you voted for #Brexit did you think it would take the form of the deal May is about to put forward?
Would you still have voted for #Brexit if you had known what you now know?
When you voted for #Brexit did you think it would take the form of the deal May is about to put forward?
Would you still have voted for #Brexit if you had known what you now know?
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navyblueshorts wrote:beninho wrote:Ned, shut up with your sensible reasoned arguments. We want wild unsubstantiated allegations and foaming at the mouth lunacy.
You know, I was not being remotely serious?
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I know, but what you said implies that S_R (I think) was not sensible or reasoned while also apparently throwing around wild and unsubstantiated claims at the same time as appearing to be rabid. I know you and he don't appear to agree very often, but I couldn't help thinking that your comment was precisely inline with Brexit etc i.e. one side simply slagging off the other.beninho wrote:navyblueshorts wrote:beninho wrote:Ned, shut up with your sensible reasoned arguments. We want wild unsubstantiated allegations and foaming at the mouth lunacy.
You know, I was not being remotely serious?
Never mind. Apologies; just on a downer at the moment.
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No idea, Mac. You think I voted 'leave'?? Jesus wept.McLaren wrote:Navy
When you voted for #Brexit did you think it would take the form of the deal May is about to put forward?
Would you still have voted for #Brexit if you had known what you now know?
I voted 'remain', so I didn't even consider what Cameron or May (as it's turned out) would be proposing in any deal for leaving. That's just the point isn't it? The Referendum was a binary question (in/out) with no mention of any deals in the advent of 'out' winning and none of the Brexit loons in Parliament gave any thought to any of what would have to happen if the Country voted to leave the EU.
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navyblueshorts wrote:Apropos of Brexit, I signed, as a witness, two of my neighbours' applications for Irish passports over the weekend. That in a cul-de-sac of ten houses.
Don’t suppose one of them was JRM? I hear he’s relocating his investment Company business to Dublin. The arch Brexiteer pouring petrol on the Brexit flames and at the same time distancing himself from the inevitable chaos and no doubt making a fortune from it.
A lot of people get ever so uppity about some Labour politicians not sending their kids to state schools. Well here’s the Tory equivalent only worse. If he thinks Brexit will be a disaster for his company why does he promote it. If he doesn’t why is his company moving?
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McLaren wrote:Navy
When you voted for #Brexit did you think it would take the form of the deal May is about to put forward?
Would you still have voted for #Brexit if you had known what you now know?
Mac as you should know I’m rather left leaning but I was Pro Brexit (from a left of centre angle). I would only change my mind if the EU accepted that it had to change to being genuinely for the benefit of working people not a huge corporate lapdog with unelected commissioners running the show.
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All fine, and you're absolutely correct about that piece of merde JAS, but it's only 'whataboutery'.JAS wrote:navyblueshorts wrote:Apropos of Brexit, I signed, as a witness, two of my neighbours' applications for Irish passports over the weekend. That in a cul-de-sac of ten houses.
Don’t suppose one of them was JRM? I hear he’s relocating his investment Company business to Dublin. The arch Brexiteer pouring petrol on the Brexit flames and at the same time distancing himself from the inevitable chaos and no doubt making a fortune from it.
A lot of people get ever so uppity about some Labour politicians not sending their kids to state schools. Well here’s the Tory equivalent only worse. If he thinks Brexit will be a disaster for his company why does he promote it. If he doesn’t why is his company moving?
If JR-M lived in my street, I'd be moving...
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navyblueshorts wrote:No idea, Mac. You think I voted 'leave'?? Jesus wept.McLaren wrote:Navy
When you voted for #Brexit did you think it would take the form of the deal May is about to put forward?
Would you still have voted for #Brexit if you had known what you now know?
I voted 'remain', so I didn't even consider what Cameron or May (as it's turned out) would be proposing in any deal for leaving. That's just the point isn't it? The Referendum was a binary question (in/out) with no mention of any deals in the advent of 'out' winning and none of the Brexit loons in Parliament gave any thought to any of what would have to happen if the Country voted to leave the EU.
Sorry, I misinterpreted some of your responses above as you being pro brexit.
Jas
Is there a centre left pro brexit position (or at least one that makes sense)?
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People often bring up that as an argument for being anti EU, well knowing that a federation is a dead herring. Problem is that nobody really presents a realistic alternative to the EU. The EU is a fact and the UK is highly dependent on it. Even if it feels good, it doesn’t go away by leaving it.JAS wrote:McLaren wrote:Navy
When you voted for #Brexit did you think it would take the form of the deal May is about to put forward?
Would you still have voted for #Brexit if you had known what you now know?
Mac as you should know I’m rather left leaning but I was Pro Brexit (from a left of centre angle). I would only change my mind if the EU accepted that it had to change to being genuinely for the benefit of working people not a huge corporate lapdog with unelected commissioners running the show.
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I guess it's all well and good bemoaning politicians about Brexit. Truth is, much as I don't rate May, who could possibly produce a deal that appeals to everyone. Most of the work, 99%, isn't done by politicians anyway, they are simply told what is and isn't acceptable by civil servants and lawyers. They way May has gone about getting what she has is what makes my judge her, I actually think what she comes back with is probably the best that she could come back with, it may well be brilliantly negotiated - but that is irrelevant if it represents he opposite of what too many groups want.
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Diggers wrote:I guess it's all well and good bemoaning politicians about Brexit. Truth is, much as I don't rate May, who could possibly produce a deal that appeals to everyone. Most of the work, 99%, isn't done by politicians anyway, they are simply told what is and isn't acceptable by civil servants and lawyers. They way May has gone about getting what she has is what makes my judge her, I actually think what she comes back with is probably the best that she could come back with, it may well be brilliantly negotiated - but that is irrelevant if it represents he opposite of what too many groups want.
Very good point Diggers, and I think Labour know that, and because they don't have to deal with Brexit, they can stand in the aisles and moan about what is going on, safe in the knowledge they won't have to deal with it. Typical politicking of making a fuss when you couldn't do better, and won't have to.
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McLaren wrote:Navy
When you voted for #Brexit did you think it would take the form of the deal May is about to put forward?
Would you still have voted for #Brexit if you had known what you now know?
Mac, for every Brexit voter who didn't really know why they voted, I would imagine there's also a considerable number of Remain voters who didn't really know why they were voting for that either. It goes both ways.
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Just a note that in amongst the Brexit poopiestorm, yet another Govt u turn, this time on gaming machines. Having originally kowtowed (which in itself was a u turn to the original statement) to the gaming companies (losing by all accounts one of the few ministers who actually does give a toss about people and principles) they’ve now bowed to govt and public pressure.
Of course, they’ll call it being pragmatic. I call it chancing your arm to see if you can get away with it because you don’t care about the consequences of your actions. That’s what makes this govt really, really unpalatable.
Of course, they’ll call it being pragmatic. I call it chancing your arm to see if you can get away with it because you don’t care about the consequences of your actions. That’s what makes this govt really, really unpalatable.
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The fobt thing should be bigger news, they changed the dates after pressure from an mp who gets a lot of corporate invites from betting firms. Its good they are changing, but terrible they didn't when they could have!
I think gambling really needs to be looked into in this country. Sports betting sponsorship should be banned.
I think gambling really needs to be looked into in this country. Sports betting sponsorship should be banned.
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Using gaming machines as an example of why the govt is unpalatable? Are you taking the p!ss on us? Plenty else to take from.
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pedro wrote:Using gaming machines as an example of why the govt is unpalatable? Are you taking the p!ss on us? Plenty else to take from.
Have you seen the data that links these machines to gamble addiction, particularly starting with kids? Have you seen the links to suicides from these addictions?
When I say they are unpalatable I’m using this as an example of their methodology, but it’s a really serious issue, backed up by the resignation of Tracey Crouch.
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beninho wrote:The fobt thing should be bigger news, they changed the dates after pressure from an mp who gets a lot of corporate invites from betting firms. Its good they are changing, but terrible they didn't when they could have!
I think gambling really needs to be looked into in this country. Sports betting sponsorship should be banned.
If for no other reason to stop the horrible chavvy advertising targeting the peasant untermenschen.
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super_realist wrote:beninho wrote:The fobt thing should be bigger news, they changed the dates after pressure from an mp who gets a lot of corporate invites from betting firms. Its good they are changing, but terrible they didn't when they could have!
I think gambling really needs to be looked into in this country. Sports betting sponsorship should be banned.
If for no other reason to stop the horrible chavvy advertising targeting the peasant untermenschen.
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Too easy Mac, bet you had to use Google though.
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Probably did, but I didn't know what it was or meant so I googled it (also!) and now I do know. Even if I'm unlikely to ever use it.
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