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Post by GSC on Tue 18 Sep 2018, 9:09 pm

First topic message reminder :

I mean are we even sure Gordon isn't a one year wonder who never stuck around for his drop off season.

A lot of hype for a guy who's had more near comebacks than games played in years
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Post by dummy_half on Mon 20 Jan 2020, 3:50 pm

JDizzle wrote:About the best SuperBowl you could wish for as a neutral. KC favourites, but if they let SF get ahead like they did Houston and the Titans they might struggle to reel them in.

I really don't get that - SF were the #1 seeds in the NFC and have a fantastic defence and running game, plus a more than adequate QB. KC have Mahomes and Hill (which is plenty to beat most...)

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 20 Jan 2020, 3:56 pm

Lowlandbrit wrote:So, Niners and Chiefs to meet in Miami. Hard not to root for Andy Reid to finally get a ring.

The only thing stopping me from rooting for KC is Pat Mahomes's annoying as heck girlfriend.

Should be a great game - hopefully it lives upto the billing, after a rather flat conference weekend
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Post by BamBam on Mon 20 Jan 2020, 4:01 pm

What's his girlfriend done?

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Post by GSC on Mon 20 Jan 2020, 8:10 pm

the only thing stopping me from rooting for the chiefs is the trash bags they employ
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Post by JDizzle on Mon 20 Jan 2020, 9:42 pm

GSC wrote:the only thing stopping me from rooting for the chiefs is the trash bags they employ

Kinda went under the radar that KC used Tyreek’s issues off the field to get a discount on his contract.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Tue 21 Jan 2020, 11:39 am

BamBam wrote:What's his girlfriend done?

She is hella annoying. Also not great looking, he needs an upgrade in that department

And yes KC does employ some trash bags - the John Dorsey experience leaves a lot of that behind
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Post by GSC on Tue 21 Jan 2020, 7:00 pm

dorsey didnt trade for frank Clark
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Post by crazy_dave23 on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 7:07 pm

Dave's non specific prediction... Chiefs > 49ers

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 10:10 pm

Chiefs - by a fair bit
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Post by JDizzle on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 11:24 pm

49ers 35-27

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Post by Lowlandbrit on Mon 03 Feb 2020, 10:45 am

Kyle Shanahan is developing a very unfortunate reputation.

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Post by Just John on Tue 04 Feb 2020, 4:50 pm

The Jacksonville Jaguars will become the first NFL franchise in history to hold multiple regular season games outside the US, after confirming they will play at, Wembley Stadium, twice, during the 2020 campaign.

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Post by Lowlandbrit on Sat 08 Feb 2020, 4:34 pm

XFLv2 kicks off tonight if anyone wants more football. Let's see if they can outlast the AAF. Most teams will be starting someone you would believe was a backup on an NFL team if someone told you (Josh Johnson! Landry Jones! Cardale Jones!); Bob Stoops, Marc Trestman, Jim Zorn and Pep Hamilton are among the HC.

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Post by gazzyD on Sun 15 Mar 2020, 2:47 pm

New CBA agreed leading to 17 game regular seasons and expanded playoffs

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Post by GSC on Mon 16 Mar 2020, 5:31 pm

within 90 minutes the Texans have won FA
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Post by JDizzle on Mon 16 Mar 2020, 5:57 pm

The over/under on teams who would have just traded a first round pick minimum straight up for Hopkins is surely in the 20s.

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Post by crazy_dave23 on Mon 16 Mar 2020, 7:30 pm

... did not see that coming...

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Post by Pr4wn on Tue 17 Mar 2020, 12:36 am

Buckner gets traded for a first too?

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Tue 17 Mar 2020, 7:57 am

Diggs goes for a 1st, 4th, 5th and 6th
Hopkins goes for essentially a 2nd and the worst contract in the NFL on a RB, who's averaged 3.6 ypc since 2017.

Lmao Houston
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Tue 17 Mar 2020, 1:46 pm

I am sad
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Post by JDizzle on Tue 17 Mar 2020, 8:34 pm

So Rivers to Colts, Bridgewater to Panthers, Mariota to Raiders, Brees stays at Saints.

QBs still available/up for trade - Brady, Newton, Winston, Dalton, Carr (?), Brissett, Foles.

Teams still needing a QB - Pats, Chargers, Bucs, Bears

If I had to guess... Bears get Dalton, Chargers roll with Tyrod and a rookie, Brady goes to Arians and the Bucs to avoid playing Mahomes twice a year in LA and the Pats... Go for Cam I guess?

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Post by Pr4wn on Wed 18 Mar 2020, 12:16 am

And Brady comes to the Bucs. I don't know what to think about football any more.

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Post by GSC on Wed 18 Mar 2020, 7:51 am

Bradys firmly in decline and the Bucs roster isnt a top tier one so I cant say I see this ending in confetti
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Post by Pr4wn on Wed 18 Mar 2020, 8:11 am

The Bucs' receivers are among the best in the NFL. Once JPP came back from injury last season, their defence was also top 10.

As for Brady, I suppose we'll have to see. But yes, it's a huge gamble. Especially considering the Bucs' suspect offensive line.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 18 Mar 2020, 8:20 am

Pr4wn wrote:The Bucs' receivers are among the best in the NFL. Once JPP came back from injury last season, their defence was also top 10.

As for Brady, I suppose we'll have to see. But yes, it's a huge gamble. Especially considering the Bucs' suspect offensive line.

Yeah the OL combined with Arians love of going deep would be a worry for me - Brady's arm strength is still there for me, but his pocket mobility really declined last year. Do Tampa have cap room to go after OL? What are there main team needs would you say Pr4wn?
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Post by Pr4wn on Wed 18 Mar 2020, 8:27 am

OL is probably the biggest need. Also remains to be seen whether Jones can kick it up a gear at RB.

Arians will chop and change his scheme to fit Brady, of course.

On D, safety and corner are the holes. The front seven is looking handy, especially now given we've tagged Barrett and re-signed JPP.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 18 Mar 2020, 8:48 am

Pr4wn wrote:OL is probably the biggest need. Also remains to be seen whether Jones can kick it up a gear at RB.

Arians will chop and change his scheme to fit Brady, of course.

On D, safety and corner are the holes. The front seven is looking handy, especially now given we've tagged Barrett and re-signed JPP.

Definitely an intriguing team for next year!
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Post by GSC on Wed 18 Mar 2020, 9:36 am

relying on the defense to stay in form is a big question mark for me, particularly when defensive consistency has a higher variance year to year than offense and last year was a clear outlier.

Would also put a small question mark against the receivers going from a QB that attempted every throw to a QB that cant make a number of them anymore.

Theres a real chance for me that the Bucs are getting end of career Peyton rather than 55 TDs Peyton. And in the NFC I dont think Brady even being above average will be enough
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Post by Pr4wn on Wed 18 Mar 2020, 10:50 am

End of career Peyton won a Superbowl.

Also, the Buccaneers rode their defense to a Superbowl win once before.

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Post by GSC on Wed 18 Mar 2020, 12:36 pm

yes.

however if you're relying on the defense to be historically good, it prompts the question as to why you're investing 30m a year in Brady
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Post by Pr4wn on Wed 18 Mar 2020, 12:43 pm

Who said anyone was relying on the D? You've come up with that by yourself.

I said the D is good, and that it's possible to win while relying on a D. Nobody is suggesting these Bucs will do that?

Weird.

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Post by JDizzle on Wed 18 Mar 2020, 1:44 pm

Brady’s arm was fine last year. Manning’s was a noodle by the end. Whether he can avoid the rush (or he even wants to try - he gave up on plays early last year a lot) is another question.

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Post by JDizzle on Fri 10 Apr 2020, 2:28 pm

BOB didn’t think he had enough injury prone receivers or players on bad contracts - so he just had to get one more.

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Post by JDizzle on Tue 21 Apr 2020, 9:26 pm

Gronk is back! Traded to the Bucs (plus a Seventh) for a 4th.

Pats get a 4th round pick for a player who was retired and they couldn't afford - about as good as they could hope for. Bucs get to put the band back together. Imagine Brate or more likely Howard is gone now so the Bucs will get at least that fourth back.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 22 Apr 2020, 8:22 am

2020 could be going better
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Post by Pr4wn on Wed 22 Apr 2020, 12:01 pm

I don't know what to think of this year any more.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Thu 23 Apr 2020, 10:04 am

Rumours of Miami wanting Herbert, or even trading upto #3 for a tackle, are surely a smokescreen to make sure the Chargers don't jump them for Tua, right?
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Thu 23 Apr 2020, 10:05 am

20 draft bets - all placed at Paddy Power;

1. Andrew Thomas to be drafted top 10 - odds of 6/5
2. Position of the Jets first pick - offensive lineman at evens
3. Green Bay Packers to draft defence with their first pick - odds of 15/8
4. Denzel Mims draft position - over 31.5 at odds of 5/4
5. Derrick Brown draft position - over 8.5 at evens
6. Jerry Jeudy draft position - over 12.5 at odds of 5/4
7. Tua Tagovailoa draft position - under 4.5 at odds of 7/4
8. Yetur Gross Matos draft position - over 27.5 at odds of 6/5
9. Tee Higgins draft position - over 33.5 at evens
10. Total safeties drafted in round 1 - under 1.5 at 10/11
11. First WR drafted - CeeDee Lamb at 6/5
12. First TE drafted - (a punt) Albert O at 9/1
13. First round a kicker is drafted - round 6 at 15/8
14. Total Alabama players drafted in the 1st round - over 5.5 at evens
15. Total Georgia players drafted in the 1st round - over 1.5 at 8/13
16. Team to draft Jordan Love - Indianapolis Colts at 4/1
17. Team to draft Jerry Jeudy - 49ers at 3/1
18. Jacob Eason vs Jake Fromm to be drafted first - Jake Fromm at 13/8
19. Position of Mr Irrelevant 2020 - defensive player at evens
20. Team to draft Tua Tagovailoa - Miami Dolphins at evens
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Post by JDizzle on Thu 23 Apr 2020, 11:44 am

I’m very much from the school of place some high priced outsider bets and you only need one to land:

Tua to number 1 @ 21
Jeremy Chinn 1st Safety @ 13
CJ Henderson Top 5 @ 21
Jordan Love Top 5 @ 19
Adam Trautman 1st TE @ 10
Hunter Bryant 1st TE @ 13
Edwards Hilaire 1st RB @ 11

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Post by Pr4wn on Fri 24 Apr 2020, 1:13 am

Anyone know where I can watch this on a stream?

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Post by JDizzle on Fri 24 Apr 2020, 1:52 am

As expected so far - Burrow, Young, Okudah, Thomas (a tackle). This is where things get interesting...

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Post by Pr4wn on Fri 24 Apr 2020, 2:10 am

Tua goes to Miami, they weren't making another Brees-style mistake.

Also Herbert goes the the Chargers. Really not sure about him. I love his story but he's not run the pro-style before and seems to struggle making quick decisions.

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Post by JDizzle on Fri 24 Apr 2020, 2:27 am

You do have to wonder whether the Chargers were lured in by all the Miami wanting a tackle at 5 pick... Been as standard so far really. No major shocks.

Wonder if NO starts to think about moving up for Love.

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Post by BamBam on Fri 24 Apr 2020, 2:35 am

No trades in the top 10 is a surprise. Surely not because of the tech?

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Post by JDizzle on Fri 24 Apr 2020, 2:41 am

Al Davis is happy somewhere as the Raiders select the absolute burner.

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Post by BamBam on Fri 24 Apr 2020, 2:45 am

Think it's going to be one of those that is always going to be unfavourably compared to Jeudy and Lamb

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Post by JDizzle on Fri 24 Apr 2020, 2:49 am

Finally a trade. Has to be for the last of the big 4 tackles, Wirfs?

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Post by BamBam on Fri 24 Apr 2020, 2:51 am

Yep, had to be Wirfs

Wonder who the Buccs thought would jump ahead of them for him? Can't imagine the Niners would have taken him

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Post by Pr4wn on Fri 24 Apr 2020, 2:56 am

Well I'm delighted with that pick. Fantastic.

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Post by JDizzle on Fri 24 Apr 2020, 2:58 am

BamBam wrote:Yep, had to be Wirfs

Wonder who the Buccs thought would jump ahead of them for him? Can't imagine the Niners would have taken him

Miami possibly? When you are all in like the Bucs are, just go and get your guy.

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