Edinburgh vs Glasgow The 1872 Cup - Edinburgh's annual slaughtering of the new effeminate ones

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All in good jest folks!

It’s that time again. When Edinburgh rugby, a tough gnarly rugby team, face off against the hair gel wearing, skin moisturising, sun bed using Glasgow "Warriors".

This annual handing out of league points to Edinburgh is much welcomed as Glasgow, a team who really are living off past glory, look to try and get their hands on some silverware in this day and age.

The history speaks for itself really with the current holders Edinburgh continually handing out a spanking to the team of Avon consumers (if only the fans would follow the lead eh)

Edinburgh 20–8 Glasgow
Edinburgh 23–11 Glasgow
Glasgow 11–14 Edinburgh
Edinburgh 12–25 Glasgow
Glasgow 18–29 Edinburgh
Edinburgh 18–17 Glasgow
Glasgow 17–0 Edinburgh
Edinburgh 24–19 Glasgow

Now, let’s get ready to hear from the warrior nation about how they believe Edinburgh are the effeminates and how they think Glasgow will prevail this year!

I'm enjoying the game TBH.

Eejit wrote:From a Glasgow fan perspective that was a pish half of rugby. From a rugby fan perspective that was also a pish half of rugby.

If I had an ounce of sense I’d go watch Treviso Zebre.

I think it's been exciting! Definitely lacking quality though.

RDW_Scotland wrote:

Eejit wrote:From a Glasgow fan perspective that was a pish half of rugby. From a rugby fan perspective that was also a pish half of rugby.

If I had an ounce of sense I’d go watch Treviso Zebre.

I think it's been exciting! Definitely lacking quality though.

It’s exciting in the same way nascar or ice skating chimps is exciting.

Ah pish it looks like Socino is coming on...

Should we all chip in for a Lifebook for Jimbo?

RDW_Scotland wrote:Should we all chip in for a Lifebook for Jimbo?

“They used a professional ghost writer that sounds exactly like me”.

For Jimbo we’d have to use the wingdings font.

Hope that's not a bad one for Dunbar

Swinson did well there - we need to better protect the ball in the mauls

Huge 10 minutes now

I thought the wind had dropped away?

Still. Glasgow are pish

I’ve been saying it for two seasons now. The Glasgow pack are powder puff. Their back row is utter garbage.

The Glasgow pack is a mobile unit that want to play fast. If you bog them down in an arm wrestle they can’t handle it. Glasgow are unplayable when they have the wind in their sails and their opponents let them play their game but they can’t impose their game on other teams and struggle when they come against a team that refuses to let Glasgow be Glasgow

Rambo!!!

Mata!!!

Edinburgh!!!!

Why did Glasgow not put 8 in the scrum in their own 22??

Madness

Rennie needs to understand now that super rugby style only really works in the NH against
1. Teams that play the same way
2. Teams that are crap.

More NH teams prioritise Forward play than down south.
Edinburgh locks might not have the class of say Gray but they will bully him all day long, espically if Glasgow don't have a back row that can help.

Mauger did the same thing at Tigers too many attacking minded forwards not enough beefcakes.

Why don't glasgow attack more of Price?

When Price carrys from the ruck he holds the rushing edinburgh defence and he always gives forwards a bit of time to run, as soon as they slow it down they look pants.

Swinson has played well - surprised he's off so early

I have no idea if Edinburgh deserve all these scrum penalties but I'm sure Rennie will have something to say about it after the game.

As the commentators have said, it's about painting the right picture and Glasgow aren't doing that to Clancy just now.

Just had a glance at the score, sounds like a ballache for Glasgow!

Kudos to edinburgh for Choking them out of it

Our penalty count combined with our inability to win our own line outs are losing this game for us.

What’s the patter with the cup? Is it still on an aggregate score or is it best of 3?

Schoeman and Nel have been absolutely collosal

tigertattie wrote:What’s the patter with the cup? Is it still on an aggregate score or is it best of 3?

Best of 3

RDW_Scotland wrote:

tigertattie wrote:What’s the patter with the cup? Is it still on an aggregate score or is it best of 3?

Best of 3

Well if you can’t beat a team that has Nathan “is” Foul on the bench, then you really can’t call yourself a rugby team.

Still. It’ll be nice to start cheering Glasgow on again now that we’ve got the festive handbags out the way

George Horne. Great wee player. Surely now he’s Glasgow’s top 9???

Was always going to miss that, rushed the build up way to much.

Really should have dropped kicked it or taken his time.

Taking the scrum penalties out of it there isn’t much else we can complain about here. Clearly there is a problem facing teams that play a certain way, as well as the fact that Edinburgh are a team on the rise and a bit of a bogey team for us. Would much rather we make these mistakes now rather than at the business end of the season. Plenty rugby still to play this year but one year we are really going to have to turn up against this mob.

Exact carbon copy of last week - Rennie has a lot to answer for given they didn't find a way to counteract the Edinburgh muscle.

First defeat at home for Glasgow in ages - I'll say it again, can we play you every week??

Well, nice as it is to beat them once again, I really hope Glasgow pick themselves up from this quickly and get results back on track. Hard luck Weegie fans, its been a mighty fun 1872 campaign but I'm glad I can go back to cheering you on for the rest of the season (minus the final 1872 game, where we'll beat you again)

RDW_Scotland wrote:

Exact carbon copy of last week - Rennie has a lot to answer for given they didn't find a way to counteract the Edinburgh muscle.

First defeat at home for Glasgow in ages - I'll say it again, can we play you every week??

Glasgow really are knickers eh. Once and future champions eh!!!

Hastings wanted 10 points. Hastings got Smeg all.

Maybe now the Glasgow swagger won’t be so much bluff and bluster.

From a Scotland perspective, we need a strong Glasgow so I hope the players learn the lessons from thee defeats

RDW_Scotland wrote:

Exact carbon copy of last week - Rennie has a lot to answer for given they didn't find a way to counteract the Edinburgh muscle.

First defeat at home for Glasgow in ages - I'll say it again, can we play you every week??

Fair play you’ve worked out how to beat us. Front up against other teams we smash regularly and we can do it at Parkhead at the end of May. Otherwise you’ll forever be Scotland’s second team.

Ps

8 out of 10

That’s an 80% win ratio for those where maths isn’t the strong point.

Good point from Hugo - the big Edinburgh players really stepped up whereas the Glasgow ones didn't.

Wilson and especially Gibbons were completely anonymous

tigertattie wrote:Ps

8 out of 10

That’s an 80% win ratio for those where maths isn’t the strong point.

1-0. One title that means something vs a big fat zero.

The Once and future champions still the pinnacle of Scottish rugby. PS, can we borrow a hooker? Ours are broken.

Living off past glory again eejit. This is where Glasgow are stalling. It’s not good enough to be a past champion. You need to work on improving.

Last season Edinburgh won just as many games are Glasgow. To say Glasgow are the all conquering giants of Scottish rugby is just incorrect.

Glasgow expected to win because they underestimated Edinburgh. Look at Hastings saying 10 points were expected. Didn’t then back up the big words with big performances.

The wheels on your gold carriage will come flying off of you don’t put in the effort on the basics as you do on keeping it shiney.

Your pack is lightweight. Your back row in particular (especially your co captains) are utterly garbage.

“Oh but we won a title with big Al” - you really are getting as bad as the 1966 brigade

A word on Jaco VDW - he's well and truly cemented himself as our first choice 10 now. His goal kicking has come on massively (he's not missed in the Pro 14 yet) and is a real attacking threat. His game control is good too and he's a commited defender.

Who would have thought it over our big money signing Hickey!

He'll be SQ in November 2020 and will only be 26 then...

tigertattie wrote:Living off past glory again eejit. This is where Glasgow are stalling. It’s not good enough to be a past champion. You need to work on improving.

Last season Edinburgh won just as many games are Glasgow. To say Glasgow are the all conquering giants of Scottish rugby is just incorrect.

Glasgow expected to win because they underestimated Edinburgh. Look at Hastings saying 10 points were expected. Didn’t then back up the big words with big performances.

The wheels on your gold carriage will come flying off of you don’t put in the effort on the basics as you do on keeping it shiney.

Your pack is lightweight. Your back row in particular (especially your co captains) are utterly garbage.

“Oh but we won a title with big Al” - you really are getting as bad as the 1966 brigade

Maybe concentrate on finishing above Treviso Ulster and Scarlets before giving it that. Your next three league games are the Kings twice and the Dragons so plenty opportunity for some patented Edinburgh Rugby choking. Granted we’ve choked like an east coaster a few times this season, but ultimately tiny setbacks. Glasgow still flying high top of conference A. Sights firmly set on a European quarter and winning the league for a second time. Edinburgh destined to finish fifth ready for a year of challenge cup playing away to some Siberian under 11s side.

Still only one team in Scotland.

PPS. Seriously, can we borrow a hooker.

Spanked.

Well if Edinburgh can bring that bite in the forwards to the international stage with Scotland that'd be much needed and appreciated!

We've got to remember these are guys who know each other very well off the field as well as on it (for the mostpart) so likely will know who to stop and when, so pulling off Edinburgh's relatively defensive gameplan is made easier by the fact only 2 months ago they were all training together for Scotland.

Not taking anything away from Edinburgh's victory, I don't think Glasgow's gameplan is suddenly complete gash because it was undone by a very strong defense. I guess we'll see how they next fare against a tough pack when they're up against Sarries again, but I think they'll bounce back, even though there does seem to be a need for a bit more b**tard in the forwards.

The pro teams both seem to be in rude health for the first time since their existence as professional entities!

NeilyBroon wrote:Well if Edinburgh can bring that bite in the forwards to the international stage with Scotland that'd be much needed and appreciated!

We've got to remember these are guys who know each other very well off the field as well as on it (for the mostpart) so likely will know who to stop and when, so pulling off Edinburgh's relatively defensive gameplan is made easier by the fact only 2 months ago they were all training together for Scotland.

Not taking anything away from Edinburgh's victory, I don't think Glasgow's gameplan is suddenly complete gash because it was undone by a very strong defense. I guess we'll see how they next fare against a tough pack when they're up against Sarries again, but I think they'll bounce back, even though there does seem to be a need for a bit more b**tard in the forwards.

The pro teams both seem to be in rude health for the first time since their existence as professional entities!

Stop it. You and Admin Boy making reasonable points are making it quite difficult to be an argumentative pillock.

Less sense more faeces please.

Eejit wrote:

NeilyBroon wrote:Well if Edinburgh can bring that bite in the forwards to the international stage with Scotland that'd be much needed and appreciated!

We've got to remember these are guys who know each other very well off the field as well as on it (for the mostpart) so likely will know who to stop and when, so pulling off Edinburgh's relatively defensive gameplan is made easier by the fact only 2 months ago they were all training together for Scotland.

Not taking anything away from Edinburgh's victory, I don't think Glasgow's gameplan is suddenly complete gash because it was undone by a very strong defense. I guess we'll see how they next fare against a tough pack when they're up against Sarries again, but I think they'll bounce back, even though there does seem to be a need for a bit more b**tard in the forwards.

The pro teams both seem to be in rude health for the first time since their existence as professional entities!

Stop it. You and Admin Boy making reasonable points are making it quite difficult to be an argumentative pillock.

Less sense more faeces please.

Ah sorry, I failed to mention that Scottish rugby won't be the same until the long awaited return of Dan Parks and the clubs will never be more than "decent" unless coached by Scott Johnson.

Also Richie V.

Top spot is no longer a forgone conclusion for Glasgow - Munster are only 2 points behind! 

In Edinburgh's conference there is only 3 points seperating 2nd and 5th so all to play for. These two wins against Glasgow have been crucial to keep us in the hunt.

RDW_Scotland wrote:A word on Jaco VDW - he's well and truly cemented himself as our first choice 10 now. His goal kicking has come on massively (he's not missed in the Pro 14 yet) and is a real attacking threat. His game control is good too and he's a commited defender.

Who would have thought it over our big money signing Hickey!

He'll be SQ in November 2020 and will only be 26 then...

But Solomons claimed Weir was one of the best 10s in the Aviva, so I don't think we'll need anymore 10s....

Hickey is still pretty useful. What we really need are Scott and Bennett back to add depth do the backs.

Is the new VDM (the one that scores tries) a project player?

RDW_Scotland wrote:Top spot is no longer a forgone conclusion for Glasgow - Munster are only 2 points behind! 

In Edinburgh's conference there is only 3 points seperating 2nd and 5th so all to play for. These two wins against Glasgow have been crucial to keep us in the hunt.

Glasgow have Benetton away and Ospreys at home.  Depending on results if Glasgow lose to Ospreys they could be 3rd and Ospreys 1st/2nd.  Ospreys could also end up in 5th if results went against them.

Anyone know if the Euro competitions are won by teams already quailifed (Clermont/La Rochelle, Leinster/Sarries/Racing) what happens for that place.  If Edinburgh get a semi-final spot (win home quarter) what do they need to get the spot if they were to finish 4/5th (could finish 2nd And beat Glasgow in the semis now they are the top Scottish team)

There is a play off for final Euro places. Edinburgh played Gloucester for it one year.

Really though you want to finish in the top three (unless one of the SA teams gets Up there as they don’t qualify (yet) you can get in)

tigertattie wrote:There is a play off for final Euro places. Edinburgh played Gloucester for it one year.

Really though you want to finish in the top three (unless one of the SA teams gets Up there as they don’t qualify (yet) you can get in)

Didn't they replace that with a spot for winning. It's how Gloucester qualified this year. Maybe it is just the Challenge cup teams that gets the spot if the finalists have quailified

What a depressing week to be a Glasgow supporter.

For me, it was the way we lost both games, without really firing a shot that hurts. Edinburgh played well but gave every other team in Europe the blueprint I to how to beat us, we really looked lost at times.

We need to re-set and quickly. The Benetton games now takes on a high significance whereas previously we could hsve rested a few players and it would not have been the end of the world if we had lost.

We are really going to have to fight for that top spot now.

tigertattie wrote:There is a play off for final Euro places. Edinburgh played Gloucester for it one year.

Really though you want to finish in the top three (unless one of the SA teams gets Up there as they don’t qualify (yet) you can get in)

Was that 'playoff' not the Challenge Cup final??

In other news, Mark Palmer has tweeted some stats to make Edinburgh fans more happy / Glasgow more miserable!

https://twitter.com/MarkPalmerST/status/1079098638910013440?s=19

They changed it. It’s now:

Champions Cup winner, if not already qualified.
European Rugby Challenge Cup winner, if not already qualified.
Challenge Cup losing finalist, if not already qualified.
Challenge Cup semi-finalist, if one has not already qualified (or the winner of a play-off between the semi-finalists, if both have not already qualified).
Highest ranked non-qualified club by virtue of league position from the same league as the Champions Cup winner

Well, having had time to digest the disappointment here's my tuppence worth.

Cockers. said in the pre-match interview and I paraphrase he wouldn't apologise for the way the Luvvies were about to play. If they took on Glasgow in Glasgow's style they would get gubbed; so they were going to make Glasgow play the game that suited the Luvvies. Admirable and laudable. We all want a coach who can see what's required to win the match and also has the ability to get his players to actually do it. Cockers. Also the Luvvies players for getting the job done. Mind you, I'd hate to watch that week in and week out.

Also, we now know what DR didn't get for Chrimbo: a plan B.

Plusses from a Scotland point of view; Watson was outstanding, Toolis is becoming the player he can be, Nel and Rambo were superb.

Minusses from a Glasgow point of view: Dunbar looks as if he'll be out for a while...again. We may not see him in the 6 Nations, or World Cup. Furra Linee played on for a while on one leg after Dunbar went off, but eventually was replaced by a flanker. I can't see him travelling to Italy this week. Jonny Gray keeps up his phenomenal tackle numbers but seems to be having less and less influence on matches. I've been saying for a while he needs a break, so no Italian trip for him. DR will probably go for a big, heavy aggressive pairing like....Aluanaise and Peterson . Actually the front five next week will be interesting as this is were Italian sides are usually strongest. If Allen and Brown are to play against Cardiff then they will need a run out. Kebble could probably benefit from staying at home and thinking about how genuinely dense he was, and not in good way, at scrum time.

So, the Luvvies could be back in the play off hunt, but their limited game plan will bring limited success. Glasgow still need to find a way to grind out ugly wins.


Howabout Cockers and DR jobswap for a month or so?

I don't think Glasgow will lament the loss of Humphreys - Townsend didn't take him on to Scotland and although the pack has improved this year they're still well behind Edinburgh's quality.

Grunt is definitely an issue too - most people picked kebble over Schoeman (myself included) but the Schoe was by far the better player over both legs. Kebble really struggled against midget Nel as all tall tightheads do.

For all the slagging of Toolis and Gilchrist they were once again dominant in carries and tackles, although it was frustrating they didn't work out how to counter act Swinson in the mauls (I still can't believe he was taken off!)

Our backrow once again dominated but that's no surprise. Watson >>>>>>>>>>>Gibbons!

Hastings had another game to forget but when you've not got a good platform you're going to struggle.

Glasgow will also be disappointed that they failed to raise their game despite having a supposed far superior bench - you were only up against Fowles and Socino FFS!

I'm sure Glasgow will come back to form quickly - other than Sarries you're not going to come up against a pack as good as Edinburgh's until the final league game of the season!