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Post by GPB Mon 14 Jan 2019, 6:56 pm

First topic message reminder :

New Year, Time for a New Thread.

EuroTour makes it 2019 Debut this week with the Abu Dhabi HSBC Classic Presented by EGA.  Next week is Dubai and the following week is the New Saudi Event

Guessing that the EGA Presentation got Abu Dhabi a promotion to a Rolex Series event.


DJ and BK are playing in Abu Dhabi.  So is Fleetwood, Stenson, Oosthuizen, RCB, Barnrat, Poulter, and Oleson

Despite the the Hired Guns from USA and Rolex Promotion, Abu Dhabi will have its lowest OWGR rating in 10 yrs.  Pelley can't be happy about that.

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Post by robopz Sat 11 Jul 2020, 11:51 am

Shotrock wrote:With the RC postponed, and the ET relying so heavily on that exhibition event for their finances, I wonder what impact this will have on that tour for the next 12 months?
John Huggan probably knows as much about it is anybody. There's not much of anything good going on for ET finances right now, but it may not be quite the disaster some people think.

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/ryder-cup-2020-postponement-a-blow-to-european-tour-finances

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Post by GPB Sat 11 Jul 2020, 3:52 pm

Perhaps too much RedWine RedWine for the Mechanic last night?

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Post by super_realist Mon 13 Jul 2020, 7:57 am

GPB wrote:Perhaps too much RedWine RedWine for the Mechanic last night?

Even by ET standards, very much a tinpot tournament. Half from ET, half from CT.

Edit* Interestingly Marc Warren won without using a caddy yesterday.

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Post by I'm never wrong Tue 21 Jul 2020, 3:47 pm

GPB - European Tour is on Sky from midday Wednesday our time. Golf Channel has it listed 7am - what zone that is, I don't know. Also don't know why it's starting on Wednesday.

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Post by McLaren Tue 21 Jul 2020, 5:30 pm

Is ET now running Wednesday to Saturday? I think thats what the Austrian event did.
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Post by super_realist Tue 21 Jul 2020, 5:40 pm

Maybe it's to attract the American Bible bashers. They won't have to work on the Lord`s day.

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Post by BlueCoverman Wed 22 Jul 2020, 10:55 am

Good start for my mate Dale Whitnell, -2 after 13 holes currently in joint 3rd

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Post by incontinentia Thu 23 Jul 2020, 11:50 pm

Players seem to be feeling the strain from this new world we find ourselves in.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/golf/andrew-johnston-quits-british-masters-citing-unease-at-post-lockdown-environment-1.4312111?mode=amp

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/golf/5694833/shane-lowry-daughter-moving-snap/amp/
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Post by pedro Fri 24 Jul 2020, 12:34 am

Both should be worried. They are in the risk group.

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Post by incontinentia Fri 24 Jul 2020, 8:31 am

pedro wrote:Both should be worried. They are in the risk group.
I felt for them.
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Post by LadyPutt Fri 24 Jul 2020, 11:04 am

McLaren wrote:Is ET now running Wednesday to Saturday? I think thats what the Austrian event did.
Looks as if it’s only at Close House. Next week is back to Thursday to Sunday. Sky showed highlights of the previous ET events in Europe. Pleased to see it’s now showing highlights of the ladies’ Rose Series, too.
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Post by McLaren Fri 24 Jul 2020, 11:26 am

pedro wrote:Both should be worried. They are in the risk group.

Are you saying his daughter is fat? You are fat shaming a toddler.
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Post by pedro Fri 24 Jul 2020, 1:11 pm

McLaren wrote:
pedro wrote:Both should be worried. They are in the risk group.

Are you saying his daughter is fat? You are fat shaming a toddler.
Lowry and Beef.

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Post by pedro Fri 24 Jul 2020, 1:12 pm

Horsfield with 3 eagles in round 3. Is that exceptional or just very good? Super, GPB?

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Post by GPB Fri 24 Jul 2020, 3:53 pm

pedro wrote:Horsfield with 3 eagles in round 3. Is that exceptional or just very good? Super, GPB?

Truly exceptional would be if those eagles were on Par threes instead of par 5's

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Post by I'm never wrong Fri 24 Jul 2020, 7:31 pm

BlueCoverman wrote:Good start for my mate Dale Whitnell, -2 after 13 holes currently in joint 3rd
Still doing OK

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Post by BlueCoverman Fri 24 Jul 2020, 11:11 pm

I thought he hung in there really well today and to finish birdie, birdie and move up to 4th was excellent. Great to hear a lot of complimentary comments from the Sky commentary team about his game and attitude. Really looking forward to watching Dale in the last round tomorrow, especially as I had a few quid each way on him on Tuesday when he was 500/1

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Post by GPB Sat 25 Jul 2020, 1:34 pm

FWiW, Horsfield's 61 was 8.36 shots better than average. Impressive round. And like Fitzpatrick's it was post cut, so that makes a little more special.

Just took a peek at next week's Hero Open field, I see Thorbjorn Olesen is in the field

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Post by pedro Sat 25 Jul 2020, 2:38 pm

I think Olesen got his playing priveleges on the ET back until he’s due in court.

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Post by I'm never wrong Sun 26 Jul 2020, 9:03 am

BlueCoverman wrote:I had a few quid each way on him on Tuesday when he was 500/1  
Don't know who you bet with, but the one or two I know usually go to 7th place each way at 1/5th the odds. So that should be 100/1 x stake. Result!!!

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Post by BlueCoverman Sun 26 Jul 2020, 7:13 pm

I had a good chat with Dale last Saturday, after he had played with a few old mates at our local club. He said that he had worked hard with his coach Craig Lockwood during lockdown and was playing well and feeling confident. I wished him good luck and had a very small £2.50 each way bet with Betfair which won me £250

I played with him in the Thornton Cup which is Essex's premier club competition. We had a good team and three of the boys went on to turn Pro but Dale was always our star man. We got to the final in 2009 but Dale missed the final as he was away playing in the Walker Cup and he then turned Pro shortly after that. I have played with a few local Pro's over the years but never with anyone as accurate as Dale. So pleased for him to finish 4th and really would love to see him push on and establish himself from here.

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Post by incontinentia Mon 27 Jul 2020, 9:58 am

Only seen highlights of the play but the boy Paratore done good. Somewhat reminiscent of a young Matteo Mannaserro (what happened to him btw??). Paratore also has the funniest post-shot face in golf. I enjoyed his fire and post round skype call to his mum Very Happy
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Post by incontinentia Tue 28 Jul 2020, 10:06 am

Dunhill links cancelled due to corona. Bit premature no? Who knows what the situation will be like in 2 months time.

https://www.skysports.com/amp/golf/news/12230/12037361/alfred-dunhill-links-championship-cancelled-due-to-coronavirus
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Post by super_realist Tue 28 Jul 2020, 10:15 am

incontinentia wrote:Dunhill links cancelled due to corona. Bit premature no? Who knows what the situation will be like in 2 months time.

https://www.skysports.com/amp/golf/news/12230/12037361/alfred-dunhill-links-championship-cancelled-due-to-coronavirus

I'm surprised it's being cancelled given that they never have any spectators anyway.

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Post by McLaren Tue 28 Jul 2020, 12:23 pm

Drop the celebrities and reduce it to being played over one course, and it should have been able to go ahead. I assume the St Andrews university halls are empty, could have been the perfect bubble for the players and organizers to stay in. Run shuttle buses to KB, and problem solved.
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Post by pedro Tue 28 Jul 2020, 6:42 pm

Being played on three courses as opposed to one would be better, or?

Maybe they’ve had cancellations from some of the celebs and decided that they had to cancel it alltogether. Dunno the financial impact of the celebs, but say they each pay 10K, it’d be +1.5M they’d have to say ciao to.

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Post by incontinentia Thu 30 Jul 2020, 4:12 pm

Jimenez makes record breaking 707th start on the European tour, what a legend:)
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Post by LadyPutt Thu 30 Jul 2020, 4:34 pm

super_realist wrote:
incontinentia wrote:Dunhill links cancelled due to corona. Bit premature no? Who knows what the situation will be like in 2 months time.

https://www.skysports.com/amp/golf/news/12230/12037361/alfred-dunhill-links-championship-cancelled-due-to-coronavirus

I'm surprised it's being cancelled given that they never have any spectators anyway.
I’ve been several times and there were plenty of spectators, attracted by the fact you only have to pay to watch the final round on the Sunday. Sitting in the grandstand at the Roadhole green at TOC where you can also watch the 18th tee is a brilliant way to spend a day. Splitting the local spectators across three courses isn’t the best idea though.
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Post by super_realist Fri 31 Jul 2020, 6:31 am

McLaren wrote:Drop the celebrities and reduce it to being played over one course, and it should have been able to go ahead. I assume the St Andrews university halls are empty, could have been the perfect bubble for the players and organizers to stay in. Run shuttle buses to KB, and problem solved.

You think multi millionaire golfers are going to stay in grotty student accommodation?

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Post by robopz Thu 06 Aug 2020, 11:59 am

{{{sigh}}}... I'm embarrassed that it had to be a dumb-s**t American to be the one to break the European Tour's CV19 protocol.  It's astonishing how many people over here seem to think either CV19 isn't real or dangerous, or seem to think the recommended/required safety protocols we should be following don't apply to them. 


Pelley did 100% the right thing immediately suspending John Catlin.  And with his low status, this probably effectively benches him for a month. Maybe more. Fine with me. He deserves it. 

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Post by I'm never wrong Thu 06 Aug 2020, 12:53 pm

Don't know if you follow other sports over here Robo, but the UK has had a similar incident in cricket. A player didn't obey the rules and was suspended from the next Test Match. So a precedent has been set, so not a difficult decision to make, and understandable to most people.

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Post by robopz Thu 06 Aug 2020, 10:38 pm

I'm never wrong wrote:Don't know if you follow other sports over here Robo, but the UK has had a similar incident in cricket. A player didn't obey the rules and was suspended from the next Test Match. So a precedent has been set, so not a difficult decision to make, and understandable to most people.
I thought I saw something about that cricket guy... We had one here with an NBA player as well... And I'm sure there are more that I missed

I 100% will never get the "entitled" ME, ME, ME screw everybody else thinking of some of these people.

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Post by McLaren Fri 07 Aug 2020, 11:31 am

What is a little odd is that he managed to follow the rules last week. So he must have been aware of how he was expected to behave this week.
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Post by I'm never wrong Fri 07 Aug 2020, 2:11 pm

Agreed Mac. And I notice that Andrew Johnston is in the field at Hanbury Manor yet he couldn't cope with the "bubble" last week.

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Post by incontinentia Tue 11 Aug 2020, 11:34 pm

Irish Open looks set to go ahead, albeit moved from south to north to get around quarantine rules. Its due to be held the week after the US Open.

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1158513
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Post by EmmDee57 Sun 23 Aug 2020, 2:44 pm

Played a round with Calum Hill at Muckhart years ago when he was a teenager. Great talent back then and good to see him able to compete on tour. Expect him to go onto great things as he gains experience.

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Post by GPB Sat 05 Sep 2020, 9:14 pm

robopz wrote:{{{sigh}}}... I'm embarrassed that it had to be a dumb-s**t American to be the one to break the European Tour's CV19 protocol.  It's astonishing how many people over here seem to think either CV19 isn't real or dangerous, or seem to think the recommended/required safety protocols we should be following don't apply to them.


Pelley did 100% the right thing immediately suspending John Catlin.  And with his low status, this probably effectively benches him for a month. Maybe more. Fine with me. He deserves it. 

One month later and he has a two shot lead going into final round.

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Post by Shotrock Sun 06 Sep 2020, 2:10 pm

Well, the young Yank will have his hands full today. Kaymer's been showing some form and he's proven to be a world class golfer.

I know that's it's been very fashionable for many a US parkland course to cut down as many tree as possible. Valderrama clearly shows how a great course uses trees in a strategic and very interesting way.

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Post by GPB Sun 06 Sep 2020, 5:50 pm

Catlin wins and the European Tour website acknowledges it.

But it is showing the Top 5 players after Round 1 and if you click the link, it only shows Round 1 scores

Spoiler:

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Post by GPB Sun 06 Sep 2020, 6:03 pm

BTW, another American, Tyler Koivisto, wins the Challenge Tour event. First time in 23 years that Americans won on both the EuroTour and Challenge Tour.

It is Tyler's first ever OWGR recognized Golf Tournament. There was a lot of rhetoric that Collin Morikawa should be ranked #1, because of his "TRUE" average was greater than anyone elses.

yler's true Average would be 12.00, which would put him well ahead of everyone else


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Post by super_realist Mon 07 Sep 2020, 6:37 am

GPB wrote:Catlin wins and the European Tour website acknowledges it.

But it is showing the Top 5 players after Round 1 and if you click the link, it only shows Round 1 scores

Spoiler:

The site was fine over here

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 07 Sep 2020, 7:57 am

Why wouldn't the Euro Tour website acknowledge it?
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Post by super_realist Mon 07 Sep 2020, 8:04 am

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Why wouldn't the Euro Tour website acknowledge it?

It did, it's just that GPB lives in a backward country and they hadn't caught up yet.

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Post by pedro Mon 07 Sep 2020, 10:11 am

Hopefully Kaymer has found some form again. He's only 35 so should have a lot of years in him.

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Post by GPB Mon 07 Sep 2020, 1:48 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Why wouldn't the Euro Tour website acknowledge it?

Did you (or Super) even look at the picture I posted,.

I loaded the webpage and it was showing the top 5 after ROUND 1. The Tournament was over.

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Post by super_realist Mon 07 Sep 2020, 1:56 pm

GPB wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Why wouldn't the Euro Tour website acknowledge it?

Did you (or Super) even look at the picture I posted,.

I loaded the webpage and it was showing the top 5 after ROUND 1.  The Tournament was over.

And I told you that was represented on European Tour website IN EUROPE.
Blame your server or whatever, but it was reported on the European Tour. You're acting like its some sort of conspiracy that because a Septic won they didn't bother reporting it.
I was following the entire tournament.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 07 Sep 2020, 3:28 pm

GPB wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Why wouldn't the Euro Tour website acknowledge it?

Did you (or Super) even look at the picture I posted,.

I loaded the webpage and it was showing the top 5 after ROUND 1.  The Tournament was over.

Yes I saw it.
What does it matter? The intern put the wrong link up, it was rectified, happens everyday across the world
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Post by GPB Mon 07 Sep 2020, 10:14 pm

Sure it was corrected, after I tweeted at them about their error.

There are systemic errors with the EuroTour website.  

Look at this post from Pedro on page 11 of this thread from about 7 weeks ago

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GPB wrote:European Tour resumes this week.

Remember when the Eurotour website was terrible.

Its back.

I just went to the front page, and I took several clicks before I was able to access the field, and it was not intuitive.
Couldn’t agree more. The website is a mess. I try to avoid it. I wonder who their target audience is? Hipsters perhaps?

nd FWIW, I think the PGATour website is MESS as well. Have said it several times on these boards. The PGATour profiles are a major Pain in the Arse to navigate and so are the Stats pages. And the Stat pages are nearly impossible to mine data.

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Post by pedro Mon 07 Sep 2020, 11:36 pm

Agree GPB. And why all the irrelevant content, huge font size and neverending scrolling? I used to read the golf news, now I just visit occasionally for the leaderboards (if I don’t use my bookies app).
I’d like to see how their website statistics has developed over the years.

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Post by super_realist Tue 08 Sep 2020, 6:22 am

GPB wrote:Sure it was corrected, after I tweeted at them about their error.

There are systemic errors with the EuroTour website.  

Look at this post from Pedro on page 11 of this thread from about 7 weeks ago

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GPB wrote:European Tour resumes this week.

Remember when the Eurotour website was terrible.

Its back.

I just went to the front page, and I took several clicks before I was able to access the field, and it was not intuitive.
Couldn’t agree more. The website is a mess. I try to avoid it. I wonder who their target audience is? Hipsters perhaps?

nd FWIW, I think the PGATour website is MESS as well.  Have said it several times on these boards.  The PGATour profiles are a major Pain in the Arse to navigate and so are the Stats pages.  And the Stat pages are nearly impossible to mine data.

It worked fine for me all weekend. What sort of sad git are you that you'll tweet them about it? laughing

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