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Post by Stone Motif Sun 30 Dec 2018, 11:19 pm

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RiscaGame wrote:A good win for Dragons. Wonder if George North might get banned this week for more shethousery. Guy is turning into a dirty get down there.

Wasn’t too convinced by the subs we made, but they turned out to be wise choices. That includes Tovey steadying the ship and kicking the winner and surprisingly Suter being solid in the scrum.
It's an amazing win given the Ospreys dominance. If they'd have made the right calls our luck would have run out I think.
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Post by mikey_dragon Fri 20 Dec 2019, 12:51 pm

Hopefully he doesn't have to retire because of it. Still if he does, at least we don't have to put up with someone coming back here with their "I told you so" attitude. #20thchoice

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Post by Stone Motif Fri 20 Dec 2019, 1:21 pm

He's like Warburton. Naturally slim guy who has put loads of bulk on to play pro rugby in a massively attritional position. Speaking to a guy who's trained with him since the academy and the amount of strength and size OG has packed on to what should be a smallish frame is ridiculous. Benches 160kg, power cleans 120kg
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Post by mikey_dragon Fri 20 Dec 2019, 1:27 pm

160kg bench is ridiculous unless you're a prop forward. I remember when I was benching 120kg, after a while it gave me elbow problems and muscle tears in my upper chest. I never lift heavy weights any more.

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Post by RiscaGame Fri 20 Dec 2019, 3:47 pm

Stone Motif wrote:He's like Warburton. Naturally slim guy who has put loads of bulk on to play pro rugby in a massively attritional position. Speaking to a guy who's trained with him since the academy and the amount of strength and size OG has packed on to what should be a smallish frame is ridiculous. Benches 160kg, power cleans 120kg

When they said training injury, the first thing I thought was doing heavy weights. Awful luck, whatever it is. It didn’t really fill me with confidence too much, when the Argus said they’re monitoring it and should know more after tomorrow.

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Post by mikey_dragon Fri 20 Dec 2019, 5:13 pm

I've noticed that he's still very fast and skillful, despite the lean muscle gain. Someone oughta tell him to lay off the weights if it's messing him up though.

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Post by Guest Fri 20 Dec 2019, 5:29 pm

I’m reading reports that Moriarty is close to signing for the Ospreys. Strange move for him IMO. Not wanting to disrespect the ospreys, and they’ve been better than us for..... ever, but they seem to be on a downwards trajectory. A move to the prem would be better wouldn’t it? Or is he worried about the 60 cap rule? Maybe we weren’t going to renew his contract so he’s forced to look around?

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Fri 20 Dec 2019, 5:36 pm

I guess he's got family down that way - not that it's a long drive. That could be a factor.

I saw him and his dad on the main beach in Swansea (is it just called Swansea beach?) years ago - our dog was a puppy and ran off after their dog, and I had to go and get her and apologise - they didn't seem to mind!

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Post by mikey_dragon Fri 20 Dec 2019, 5:58 pm

I think Exeter were sniffing around as well. I didn't think it would be Ospreys, not sure why Bradley Davies or Anscombe went there either. It's good for us and for Ross that he moves on anyway. I see some people want us to bring Faletau back, I'd only agree with that if we brought in a few front 5 players first.

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Post by Stone Motif Fri 20 Dec 2019, 10:01 pm

RiscaGame wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:He's like Warburton. Naturally slim guy who has put loads of bulk on to play pro rugby in a massively attritional position. Speaking to a guy who's trained with him since the academy and the amount of strength and size OG has packed on to what should be a smallish frame is ridiculous. Benches 160kg, power cleans 120kg

When they said training injury, the first thing I thought was doing heavy weights. Awful luck, whatever it is. It didn’t really fill me with confidence too much, when the Argus said they’re monitoring it and should know more after tomorrow.

Maybe, I tend to think just carrying that much extra mass is too much on the joints of some of these guys. Can't put muscle on those.

My view on PEDs in rugby is well aired on this board but if someone would like to explain to me how a 6'1 ectomorph manages to get to over 100kg in weight and maintain a highly advanced power lifting total whilst running hundreds of kilometres a week I'd love to hear it.
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Post by Stone Motif Fri 20 Dec 2019, 10:03 pm

The Oracle wrote:I’m reading reports that Moriarty is close to signing for the Ospreys.  Strange move for him IMO.  Not wanting to disrespect the ospreys, and they’ve been better than us for..... ever, but they seem to be on a downwards trajectory.  A move to the prem would be better wouldn’t it? Or is he worried about the 60 cap rule?  Maybe we weren’t going to renew his contract so he’s forced to look around?

Love for this to be true - would almost certainly mean Tipuric is off and they'd be getting an inferior player whilst still wasting an equivalent chunk of their budget.
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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 21 Dec 2019, 2:11 am

It’s possible OG had a late growth spurt, I’ve seen it before... I’ve also met a few players who were big guys and stay like it 365 days a year. 

O’s could do with a replacement for Tips too; be funny if they get Dan Thomas on a straight swap with Bristol, but the latter would be available for them all season.

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Post by Stone Motif Sat 21 Dec 2019, 9:52 am

Simey Thomas in the Fail reckons Buttress has got us an extra £2m for next season Shocked playing a blinder if true; with the Moriarty offload that means we have about 50% more money to play with.
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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 21 Dec 2019, 10:35 am

Isn’t that the CVC money? It about equates to what each region would get if they get the rights to the league.

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Post by Stone Motif Sat 21 Dec 2019, 11:13 am

Doesn't sound like it. If they got any sense they'll use the cvc money to fund the ground redevelopment.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/how-much-money-each-welsh-17453851
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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 21 Dec 2019, 11:23 am

I was just reading that. It speculates that all Regions will get an uplift, without saying how or why.

More internationals gets you more money, as expected, but there's now a top 38. I would wager Faletau being in there if he is ever not injured. Scarlets have the most money and if the rumours are true, they'll be better funded than an English Prem team but without the marquee allowances.

Blues are the lowest funded. JM has still underachieved IMO.

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Post by Guest Sat 21 Dec 2019, 12:16 pm

PhilBB up in arms about the funding on Twitter, as you would expect Very Happy

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 21 Dec 2019, 12:17 pm

Not all of us can see, but I expected that would be the case.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Sat 21 Dec 2019, 9:34 pm

If only ‘Guest’ was still on here to tell us how the Scarlets were the real winners tonight.

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Post by RiscaGame Sun 22 Dec 2019, 1:47 am

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:If only ‘Guest’ was still on here to tell us how the Scarlets were the real winners tonight.

Hope she enjoyed it.

I thought I read Samson Lee was fit now. He’s in awful nick.

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Post by Stone Motif Sun 22 Dec 2019, 11:54 am

Spare a thought for poor Gareth Davies, dragged down to our level again
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Post by RiscaGame Sun 22 Dec 2019, 12:58 pm

Haha. Great point.

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Post by Stone Motif Sun 22 Dec 2019, 4:14 pm

Another cracking article. This bit in particular is music to my ears:

Kirwan wrote: Under Ryan the region looks well-coached, organised and clear of mind

https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/sport/18117690.davies-showing-class-ryans-dragons-make-strides/


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Post by RiscaGame Sun 22 Dec 2019, 7:33 pm

I’m glad Chris Kirwan is still at the Argus. He’s fantastic and a clear example of what journalism should be, rather than the majority of Wales Online guff.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 23 Dec 2019, 10:22 am

He's very good - very fair. If something needs saying, he'll say it. I'm always glad when he gets a win to write about!

I've watched that last passage of play plenty of times now, and you can't overstate how important Ashton Hewitt's run was. That's what got us in behind them. I don't know how he does it, but he's just so hard to put down. He always seems to make a few more metres than he should be making.

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Post by Brendan Mon 23 Dec 2019, 11:25 am

So do Dragon fans believe that they could push to be the top Region.

They Definately seem in pole position (early days but should be above Ospreys & Zebre) for a Champions Cup playoff spot. That would shortly be a good season for this year

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 23 Dec 2019, 11:33 am

We need to win more games on the road before we can think about that. The Boxing Day match at the Arms Park will be a good indicator of where we are.

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Post by Stone Motif Mon 23 Dec 2019, 11:45 am

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:We need to win more games on the road before we can think about that. The Boxing Day match at the Arms Park will be a good indicator of where we are.

Think we'll lose like 54-38 in some sort of Christmas carnival of gay abandon
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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 23 Dec 2019, 12:18 pm

I still remember the last Boxing Day win there, when Martyn Williams was one of the pundits and he said before the game, 'there's only one team winning this.' That was a particularly satisfying win.

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Post by mikey_dragon Mon 23 Dec 2019, 12:38 pm

Apparently there's some good news incoming. It has to be the re-signing of a current player though, right?

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Post by Stone Motif Mon 23 Dec 2019, 1:03 pm

https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/sport/18119367.rhodri-williams-dragons-scrum-half-signs-two-year-contract-extension/

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Post by mikey_dragon Mon 23 Dec 2019, 1:23 pm

I think he needs someone decent enough to push him. It would be good if we still had a fit Jonny Evans, he would do exactly that.

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Post by RiscaGame Mon 23 Dec 2019, 2:07 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:He's very good - very fair. If something needs saying, he'll say it. I'm always glad when he gets a win to write about!

I've watched that last passage of play plenty of times now, and you can't overstate how important Ashton Hewitt's run was. That's what got us in behind them. I don't know how he does it, but he's just so hard to put down. He always seems to make a few more metres than he should be making.

Definitely. Great carry by Jarvis too.

The roar at the end was something else.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 23 Dec 2019, 2:35 pm

Stone Motif wrote:https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/sport/18119367.rhodri-williams-dragons-scrum-half-signs-two-year-contract-extension/

Yep

This is great news. I thought it didn't get the attention it deserved when we first signed him. He's like a French scrum half the way he controls things. I definitely think it helps Sam Davies having a second decision maker inside him.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 23 Dec 2019, 4:44 pm

Worth a read:

http://www.scarletfever.org/forum/dragons-vs-scarlets-match-thread_topic45627_page1.html

There's actually some praise for us in there, but I also noticed a new member called Miaow didn't take the defeat well....

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Post by Stone Motif Mon 23 Dec 2019, 4:46 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:Worth a read:

http://www.scarletfever.org/forum/dragons-vs-scarlets-match-thread_topic45627_page1.html

There's actually some praise for us in there, but I also noticed a new member called Miaow didn't take the defeat well....
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Post by RiscaGame Mon 23 Dec 2019, 5:14 pm

Didn’t watch the game. Says it all.

Quite worrying how people can be so bitter, to be honest. Sad that she had to register on another forum to have an outlet for their anger. Might need to get that checked out.

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Post by RiscaGame Mon 23 Dec 2019, 5:20 pm

Great that we have re-signed Rhodri Williams too. Guy got a lot of unnecessary stick, due to Jackmanball, but he has been a good signing for us.

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Post by mikey_dragon Mon 23 Dec 2019, 6:33 pm

Whoever miaow is it's been clear (to me) for a number of years that they have some serious issues. Never seen behaviour like that because someone disagreed with them, and that's even comparing him/her to the sore losers of the recent GE Rolling Eyes. I'm pretty sure they'll get tired on Scarlets fever too, they seem like an okay bunch who won't tolerate BS.

Some of what they're talking about has also occurred to me in the last few weeks. Scarlets attack isn't that good, it hasn't been for over a season. Samson actually looked fitter this season, and also looks as if he has lost weight. His performances have been inconsistent however. I think he's a bit better around the field of play but his scrum prowess seems like it has regressed. Pivac needs to look elsewhere for props because Evans and Lee look third choice. Our best available TH plays for Sale Sharks.

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Post by mikey_dragon Mon 23 Dec 2019, 6:39 pm

RiscaGame wrote:Great that we have re-signed Rhodri Williams too. Guy got a lot of unnecessary stick, due to Jackmanball, but he has been a good signing for us.

Meh, our halfbacks mostly play well for us. Still a few flaws in their game that need ironing out. We don't have a defence good enough to make up for the inconsistent kicking. Hopefully both continue to improve and grow into their roles. I don't think either of them have any sort of competition for their jersey right now and they're a bit too comfortable.

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Post by BigGee Mon 23 Dec 2019, 6:41 pm

I just watched the derby game. Great credit to the Drags for digging that one out, especially after missing the penalty, when the team would have had every right to let their heads go down.

They are becoming a difficult team to beat at home, as Glasgow found out earlier in the season. That is a pretty good starting point from which to build.

Things may well be on the up down Newport way.

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Post by mikey_dragon Mon 23 Dec 2019, 6:49 pm

Yeah we have definitely improved a lot under DR. Our away form is still hopeless, but I suppose it starts at home before you can dream of winning away Very Happy. Castres will be a big away game for us.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Tue 24 Dec 2019, 10:58 am

We're played 12 won 6 I think it is, which is unheard of for us. We've had seasons where we'd be lucky to get 6 wins full stop.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 30 Dec 2019, 11:24 am

Just bought my ticket for the Ospreys game, which is a pretty big one. Two wins out of three derby games would be an excellent return for us. If we lose, how much progress have we really made?

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Post by mikey_dragon Mon 30 Dec 2019, 2:22 pm

Is Brok Harris' extension his current contract to end of the season, or is it beyond that? I think we need him for another 1-2 years at least.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 30 Dec 2019, 2:24 pm

I haven't read the announcement, but judging from comments about it, it's just 'til the end of the season.

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Post by mikey_dragon Mon 30 Dec 2019, 2:27 pm

I thought that was old news though.

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Post by mikey_dragon Mon 30 Dec 2019, 2:33 pm

Oh, just had a re-hash of that scarlets fever link you posted. Miaow returned to the match thread and "they're" still bleating on about Scott Williams, among a load of other pointless waffle.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 30 Dec 2019, 2:40 pm

Insufferable. And a snowflake at the same time as being rude as f*ck.

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Post by mikey_dragon Mon 30 Dec 2019, 3:32 pm

Insufferable is about right, got his other fabulous prediction wrong too.

Anyway, did you notice Holley (another waffler) picked Leon Brown as his starting TH for Wales? I guess it's a fair representation of form and nobody has really pushed Francis for the jersey up to now anyway. Faletau also had a good review in his one game back, Holley also selected him at No.8 - he's probably someone we should bring back with this new investment money coming our way.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 30 Dec 2019, 3:46 pm

Has Dillon Lewis played for the (Cardiff) Blues yet since the World Cup?

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