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Post by No9 on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 3:22 pm

Just heard them say on BT sports that Racing’s new stadium has a fixed (closed) roof.

So how come they are allowed that, when we always get the argument with the milenium stadium roof being open or closed and being told rugby is an outdoor game and as such the if a side objects to it being closed it has to be open....

Does this mean, if the away side at Racing object to the roof, then they have to play at another ground. Erm ... or is this just another example where France ignores the rules when it suits them.. furious

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Post by Rugby Fan on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 3:39 pm

This is a great game so far

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Post by Eejit on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 3:40 pm

That was pure quality from Finn Russell.

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Post by BamBam on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 3:42 pm

Wow I was not expecting that from the first view

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Post by BigGee on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 3:43 pm

A cracking game, Finn Russell showing Glasgow what he is missing, just picks off another interception and puts Thomas away for a cracking try.

Toulouse picking up a red card as well, so not looking good for them.

Red probably the right call for a high shot

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Post by Rugby Fan on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 3:46 pm

BigGee wrote:Toulouse picking up a red card as well, so not looking good for them.

Red probably the right call for a high shot

French commentators unhappy it was a red but the TMO and ref were in agreement there.

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Post by marty2086 on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 3:50 pm

No9 wrote:Just heard them say on BT sports that Racing’s new stadium has a fixed (closed) roof.

So how come they are allowed that, when we always get the argument with the milenium stadium roof being open or closed and being told rugby is an outdoor game and as such the if a side objects to it being closed it has to be open....

Does this mean, if the away side at Racing object to the roof, then they have to play at another ground. Erm ... or is this just another example where France ignores the rules when it suits them.. furious

Ignore the rules of a completely different competition? Rolling Eyes

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Post by Eejit on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 3:50 pm

Shame about the red, I didn’t think it was from first viewing but he has smashed him in the throat.

Toulouse have it all to do now and you get the feeling that’s Racing May run away with this.

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Post by BigGee on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 3:54 pm

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BigGee wrote:Toulouse picking up a red card as well, so not looking good for them.

Red probably the right call for a high shot

French commentators unhappy it was a red but the TMO and ref were in agreement there.

The ref tried very hard not to give it, was looking for a reason, but unfortunately there was not one there.

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Post by BigGee on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 3:55 pm

Thomas gets a yellow as well to even things up for 10 mins and Toulouse take advantage and score again

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Post by Rugby Fan on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 3:56 pm

BigGee wrote:Thomas gets a yellow as well to even things up for 10 mins and Toulouse take advantage and score again

I do hope it stays as competitive as this but I fear the red card will ultimately count.

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Post by Eejit on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 3:56 pm

What a try that was.

Looking at these two teams puts yesterday into perspective a little. They’re a bit mad but class acts aren’t they.

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Post by BamBam on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 3:58 pm

Superb try.  

The stadium looks great when they pan out too

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Post by BigGee on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 4:01 pm

Dupont goes over again, what a tricky little customer he is

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Post by No9 on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 4:02 pm

marty2086 wrote:
No9 wrote:Just heard them say on BT sports that Racing’s new stadium has a fixed (closed) roof.

So how come they are allowed that, when we always get the argument with the milenium stadium roof being open or closed and being told rugby is an outdoor game and as such the if a side objects to it being closed it has to be open....

Does this mean, if the away side at Racing object to the roof, then they have to play at another ground. Erm ... or is this just another example where France ignores the rules when it suits them.. furious

Ignore the rules of a completely different competition? Rolling Eyes

The ruling about roofs is not a competition ruling but rules of Rugby. Competition rule changes can only be used to define the competition, not change how the game is played, including the conditions it is played. Doh

Otherwise, why not say in this competition your allowed to forward pass, or kick a player in the ballaches...

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Post by Rugby Fan on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 4:03 pm

I have shouted "WOAH" three times, at three tries in this match.

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Post by No9 on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 4:06 pm

BigGee wrote:
Rugby Fan wrote:
BigGee wrote:Toulouse picking up a red card as well, so not looking good for them.

Red probably the right call for a high shot

French commentators unhappy it was a red but the TMO and ref were in agreement there.

The ref tried very hard not to give it, was looking for a reason, but unfortunately there was not one there.

Yellow, yes. Red, no. The ref said there was intent, there wasn’t. It was high, and shoulder to the neck, but it was an attempt at a tackle that wasn’t executed properly.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 4:08 pm

No9 wrote:..The ruling about roofs is not a competition ruling but rules of Rugby...

Just to nip this one in the bud, you are wrong.

The owner/home team of a stadium can do whatever they want with it unless the rules of a competition determine otherwise. In the case of the Six Nations, both teams must agree to close the roof. If they don't, it stays open.

Similarly, a stadium can carry whatever advertising it wants, unless competition rules say otherwise. That's why so many regular sponsors have to be bounced during a World Cup.


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Post by Eejit on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 4:09 pm

That stadium really is ace but with the lights out like that I would 100% drop the beers down those stairs.

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Post by marty2086 on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 4:26 pm

No9 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
No9 wrote:Just heard them say on BT sports that Racing’s new stadium has a fixed (closed) roof.

So how come they are allowed that, when we always get the argument with the milenium stadium roof being open or closed and being told rugby is an outdoor game and as such the if a side objects to it being closed it has to be open....

Does this mean, if the away side at Racing object to the roof, then they have to play at another ground. Erm ... or is this just another example where France ignores the rules when it suits them.. furious

Ignore the rules of a completely different competition? Rolling Eyes

The ruling about roofs is not a competition ruling but rules of Rugby. Competition rule changes can only be used to define the competition, not change how the game is played, including the conditions it is played. Doh

Otherwise, why not say in this competition your allowed to forward pass, or kick a player in the ballaches...

'Under Six Nations rules, both teams must agree to the roof being closed.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/47574452

Very Happy

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Post by Eejit on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 4:32 pm

Toulouse are playing like their lives depend on it.

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Post by BigGee on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 4:40 pm

No9 wrote:
BigGee wrote:
Rugby Fan wrote:
BigGee wrote:Toulouse picking up a red card as well, so not looking good for them.

Red probably the right call for a high shot

French commentators unhappy it was a red but the TMO and ref were in agreement there.

The ref tried very hard not to give it, was looking for a reason, but unfortunately there was not one there.

Yellow, yes. Red, no. The ref said there was intent, there wasn’t. It was high, and shoulder to the neck, but it was an attempt at a tackle that wasn’t executed properly.

There does not have to be intent, not executing a tackle properly does not get you off!

It was a dangerous tackle, whether he meant it or not.

He might have got a yellow on another day with another ref, but by the letter of the law and by going properly through the process and looking for any mitigation (which there was not really), it was a red. You just can't complain these days when those ones get given, it is a clear directive and for good reasons

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Post by Rugby Fan on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 4:54 pm

What was that yellow for? (The one against Racing just now)

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Post by BigGee on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 4:57 pm

Rugby Fan wrote:What was that yellow for? (The one against Racing just now)

Killing the ball, cynical play from Imoff

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Post by BigGee on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 5:10 pm

Woah, what a game in Paris

You can't say that Toulouse did not deserve that, they are going to be contenders

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Post by Heaf on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 5:11 pm

Wow - big result for Toulouse ...

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Post by Rugby Fan on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 5:12 pm

That was some match to watch. It was the pick of the weekend, so it's sad to see one of those teams go.

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Post by LondonTiger on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 5:28 pm

No9 wrote:Just heard them say on BT sports that Racing’s new stadium has a fixed (closed) roof.

So how come they are allowed that, when we always get the argument with the milenium stadium roof being open or closed and being told rugby is an outdoor game and as such the if a side objects to it being closed it has to be open....

Does this mean, if the away side at Racing object to the roof, then they have to play at another ground. Erm ... or is this just another example where France ignores the rules when it suits them.. furious

The issue at the principality stadium is that the roof can be open, and in fact it has to be to allow the grass to grow. If artificial turf was allowed for international games (not sure whether it is) Wales could have built a fixed roof stadium with air conditioning and everything else that requires.

What we have in Cardiff instead is an open air stadium with a roof that can be closed. While I think the stadium at La Defense is spectacular, I am one of those luddites who does not approve of indoor rugby. I feel players should have the skills required to cope with all conditions.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 6:12 pm

LondonTiger wrote:I am one of those luddites who does not approve of indoor rugby. I feel players should have the skills required to cope with all conditions.
Dunedin was indoor at the World Cup in New Zealand. It has a fixed roof, so there was no debate. In Japan, The Toyota Stadium has a retractable roof, and Wales play Georgia there. Not sure what the protocol is during a World Cup.

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Post by geoff999rugby on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 6:24 pm

Rugby Fan wrote:That was some match to watch. It was the pick of the weekend, so it's sad to see one of those teams go.



Toulouse were brilliant but not convince Racing were

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Post by The Oracle on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 9:02 pm

Rugby Fan wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:I am one of those luddites who does not approve of indoor rugby. I feel players should have the skills required to cope with all conditions.
Dunedin was indoor at the World Cup in New Zealand. It has a fixed roof, so there was no debate. In Japan, The Toyota Stadium has a retractable roof, and Wales play Georgia there. Not sure what the protocol is during a World Cup.


I should imagine the Japanese will do what the hell they like as they are not as weak and subservient as us Welsh!
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Post by mikey_dragon on Mon 01 Apr 2019, 3:27 am

geoff999rugby wrote:
Rugby Fan wrote:That was some match to watch. It was the pick of the weekend, so it's sad to see one of those teams go.



Toulouse were brilliant but not convince Racing were

How can both teams not always be brilliant with the players at their disposal though. French rugby is a joke.

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Post by Exiledinborders on Mon 01 Apr 2019, 8:42 am

The Oracle wrote:
I should imagine the Japanese will do what the hell they like as they are not as weak and subservient as us Welsh!
If you are subservient I command you to stop whining about the roof at Cardiff!

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Post by geoff999rugby on Mon 01 Apr 2019, 9:34 am

mikey_dragon wrote:
geoff999rugby wrote:
Rugby Fan wrote:That was some match to watch. It was the pick of the weekend, so it's sad to see one of those teams go.



Toulouse were brilliant but not convince Racing were

How can both teams not always be brilliant with the players at their disposal though. French rugby is a joke.

Most top14 games are turgid affairs
Player fitness is poor
Toulouse are an honourable exception and a different class from the rest of the league, with the possible exception of Clermont.
They are 20 points clear of Lyon in third place (only Clermont remotely close and that is 7 points behind)

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Post by Brendan on Mon 01 Apr 2019, 10:51 am

Toulouse and Clermont are good.

It will be interesting if Clermont can win the challenge cup and help them with their mental frailty

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Post by marty2086 on Mon 01 Apr 2019, 2:21 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
No9 wrote:Just heard them say on BT sports that Racing’s new stadium has a fixed (closed) roof.

So how come they are allowed that, when we always get the argument with the milenium stadium roof being open or closed and being told rugby is an outdoor game and as such the if a side objects to it being closed it has to be open....

Does this mean, if the away side at Racing object to the roof, then they have to play at another ground. Erm ... or is this just another example where France ignores the rules when it suits them.. furious

The issue at the principality stadium is that the roof can be open, and in fact it has to be to allow the grass to grow. If artificial turf was allowed for international games (not sure whether it is) Wales could have built a fixed roof stadium with air conditioning and everything else that requires.

What we have in Cardiff instead is an open air stadium with a roof that can be closed. While I think the stadium at La Defense is spectacular, I am one of those luddites who does not approve of indoor rugby. I feel players should have the skills required to cope with all conditions.

Do they not use UV lamps at times for the pitch in Cardiff to help the grass grow? I know quite a few major stadiums do due to the weather and general wear and tear

LaDefense in rugby terms is a novelty, after a while people will be apathetic to it

The OP though is based on a misconception and the rules of the whole thing

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