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Post by LondonTiger on Wed 03 Apr 2019, 11:08 am

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Table
England 2pts (+2.08nrr)
Afghanistan
Australia
Bangladesh
India
New Zealand
Pakistan
Sri Lanka
West Indies
South Africa 0pts (-2.08 nrr)


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Thu, May 30 
10:30 England vs South Africa  (The Oval)

Fri, May 31 
10:30 West Indies vs Pakistan (Trent Bridge)

Sat, Jun 1 
10:30 New Zealand vs Sri Lanka (Cardiff)
13:30 Afghanistan vs Australia (Bristol)

Sun, Jun 2 
10:30 South Africa vs Bangladesh (The Oval)

Mon, Jun 3 
10:30 England vs Pakistan (Trent Bridge)

Tue, Jun 4 
10:30 Afghanistan vs Sri Lanka (Cardiff)

Wed, Jun 5 
10:30 South Africa vs India (Southampton)
13:30 Bangladesh vs New Zealand (The Oval)

Thu, Jun 6 
10:30 Australia vs West Indies (Trent Bridge)

Fri, Jun 7 
10:30 Pakistan vs Sri Lanka (Bristol)

Sat, Jun 8 
10:30 England vs Bangladesh (Cardiff)
13:30 Afghanistan vs New Zealand (Taunton)

Sun, Jun 9 
10:30 Australia vs India (The Oval)

Mon, Jun 10 
10:30 South Africa vs West Indies (Southampton)

Tue, Jun 11 
10:30 Bangladesh vs Sri Lanka (Bristol)

Wed, Jun 12 
10:30 Australia vs Pakistan (Taunton)

Thu, Jun 13 
10:30 India vs New Zealand (Trent Bridge)

Fri, Jun 14 
10:30 England vs West Indies (Southampton)

Sat, Jun 15 
10:30 Australia vs Sri Lanka (The Oval)
13:30 Afghanistan vs South Africa (Cardiff)

Sun, Jun 16 
10:30 India vs Pakistan (Old Trafford)

Mon, Jun 17 
10:30 Bangladesh vs West Indies (Taunton)

Tue, Jun 18 
10:30 England vs Afghanistan (Old Trafford)

Wed, Jun 19 
10:30 New Zealand vs South Africa (Edgbaston)

Thu, Jun 20 
10:30 Australia vs Bangladesh (Trent Bridge)

Fri, Jun 21 
10:30 England vs Sri Lanka (Headingley)

Sat, Jun 22 
10:30 Afghanistan vs India (Southampton)
13:30 New Zealand vs West Indies (Old Trafford)

Sun, Jun 23 
10:30 Pakistan vs South Africa (Lord’s)

Mon, Jun 24 
10:30 Afghanistan vs Bangladesh (Southampton)

Tue, Jun 25 
10:30 England vs Australia (Lord’s)

Wed, Jun 26 
10:30 New Zealand vs Pakistan (Edgbaston)

Thu, Jun 27 
10:30 India vs West Indies (Old Trafford)

Fri, Jun 28 
10:30 South Africa vs Sri Lanka (Edgbaston)

Sat, Jun 29 
10:30 Afghanistan vs Pakistan (Headingley)
13:30 Australia vs New Zealand (Lord’s)

Sun, Jun 30 
10:30 England vs India (Edgbaston)

Mon, Jul 1 
10:30 Sri Lanka vs West Indies (Riverside Ground)

Tue, Jul 2 
10:30 Bangladesh vs India (Edgbaston)

Wed, Jul 3 
10:30 England vs New Zealand (Riverside Ground)

Thu, Jul 4 
10:30 Afghanistan vs West Indies (Headingley)

Fri, Jul 5 
10:30 Bangladesh vs Pakistan (Lord’s)

Sat, Jul 6 
10:30 India vs Sri Lanka (Headingley)
13:30 Australia vs South Africa (Old Trafford)




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Post by Gooseberry on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 1:29 pm

Duty281 wrote:
alfie wrote:Not calling the match yet...Bangladesh look on for a very good score but I'm not sure their bowlers will be able to dominate : could be quite an interesting high scoring contest.
SA have serious problems balancing their team : they just don't have a real all rounder.

Yes, I'm not wholly convinced by the Bangladesh bowlers, so I think it's vital their batters take them past 350, which should be an insurmountable total.

200/2, 18 overs left.


Its not a bad point Duty, they do need to score pretty big to be comfortable. Also they dont really have big hitters coming in now, so even with wickets still in hand theres maybe not the same capacity for further acceleration that youd get with England or West Indies for example. It may look pretty one sided at this point, but Im not convinced this one is totally dead yet. That said South Africa really arent that strong a batting side, and struggle against spin. Assuming Bangladesh do get significantly past 300, which looks very likely now, they should be able to win. 350+ would make it almost a given, but I dont think theyll get that.

Its not just the all rounders with SA, some of their specialist bats arent really very good either, and Tahir isnt the force he used to be. I do think they are better off in this game without Amla though, Millers been far better for them for a while now and has some level of mobility in the field.

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Post by Gooseberry on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 1:29 pm

Oh another wicket down as I wrote that ... well yeah that does make it tougher for them.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 1:30 pm

It’s rather incredible to think that Tahir never got an opportunity for Pakistan. Had he debuted earlier he could have 300-400 ODI wickets

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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 1:38 pm

Tahir has pegged them back a bit with those wickets. Probably need Mushfiqur to bat through now and produce some late hitting if they're going to go seriously past 300.
Eight to go. I'm saying 310.

Edit : Oops...Mushfiqur holes out in the deep. 310 might be more than they'll get ?

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 1:56 pm

Bangladesh really making heavy weather of this now. Running between the wickets has been quite poor all game - very few quick singles, very few sharp twos to put extra pressure on fielders in the deep.

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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 2:07 pm

Some lively batting from Mossadek has put Bangladesh back on track.

Two overs to go , 302/5 ...320 perhaps ?

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 2:16 pm

Great finishing overs there. Highest ever ODI score for them

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 2:17 pm

54 off the last four overs! A better score than England managed on Thursday, and a record ODI score for Bangladesh. Should be match-winning.

Big effort from Mahmudullah, but how costly was that Rabada drop?!

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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 2:18 pm

Final flurry of runs from Mahmudullah sees them to an excellent 330 clap

Not quite as many as it looked earlier on but better than you'd have expected when Musfiqur got out. A challenging target for SA.

I give them a decent chance as this pitch looks full of runs ; but it will take some good batting. Could be the first close game ?

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 2:18 pm

The magical 330 achieved on the nose after some downs and then ups for Bangladesh in the closing overs.

Not sure of how much a fair comparison this is but 19 more than England made on Thursday against the same opponents on the same ground.

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 2:42 pm

The outfield is a lot slower than it was during England's game, and the wicket is a touch more worn as well. It'll take a strong effort from the Saffers to chase this down. Four down and out comes Duminy...it isn't a batting order to inspire a lot of confidence!

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Post by Gooseberry on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 2:44 pm

Its certainly defendable, but not comfortably so. Could be the first close game of the tournament ( and much needed)


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Post by Duty281 on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 3:27 pm

49/1. Keeper drops a sharp chance, then the batsmen think about stealing a run, get into a horrible mess, and the keeper runs out de Kock with a direct hit. Redemption.

Fantastic atmosphere provided by the Bangladesh supporters.

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 4:12 pm

Markram gone - big wicket, I rate him and feel SA needed him there longer to build their total.

105/2 off 20. Next 10 overs vitally important for SA. Suspect they'll need to be at least 150 for no worse than 3 down after 30 to pull this off and even then it'll be very far from easy.

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 4:31 pm

du Plessis was starting to take control of the chase, but he's gone for an ill-advised charge down the wicket, missed everything and his stumps have been rearranged.

Bangladesh well in control now.

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 4:31 pm

FaF gone now almost 150 for 3 in 26
I think SA will fall short by 30 to 40 runs
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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 4:46 pm

KP_fan wrote:FaF gone now almost 150 for 3 in 26
I think SA will fall short by 30 to 40 runs

Not so sure. 169/3 with 20 left. Doable for SA but a couple of wickets before long would change that ....

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 4:49 pm

One saving grace for South Africa might be that the two main spin bowlers have very few overs left, and Bangladesh will soon need to revert to seam. But there's not a lot of batting to come.

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 5:09 pm

And again, just as South Africa build a partnership that looks like it'll put them in control of the game, Bangladesh take a timely wicket. Excellent catch from Mehidy to dismiss the big-hitting Miller.

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 5:11 pm

Miller goes....to BD's credit...they haven't let SA break free
to SA's credit they haven't crumbled in a heap( yet)
Dussen, Duminy the mainbatsmen...... Phulkawayo, Rabada and Morris can all score useful 15s and 20s

SA need something like 24 in 2 overs to bring at par
BD need two wkts in a row to pull apart
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Post by KP_fan on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 5:30 pm

Dussen looks a very organized and straight bat OK
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Post by KP_fan on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 5:32 pm

KP_fan wrote:Dussen looks a very organized and straight bat OK

jinxed Crying or Very sad
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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 5:32 pm

KP_fan wrote:Dussen looks a very organized and straight bat OK

Nice one! Wink

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 5:37 pm

Surely all over now after that ugly golf swing.

It'll be a great win for Bangladesh, a very good team to watch. Barring some downpours, South Africa are likely to go 0-3 on Wednesday, which will surely end their hopes of making the semi-finals, and leave the Kiwis the only realistic contenders for fourth spot.

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 5:52 pm

6 down now and almost 80 shy. Looking very good for the Tigers.

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Post by VTR on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 6:05 pm

Chris Morris at the crease. Could be his Day Today. I'm not missing the chance to use that one again!

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Post by VTR on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 6:08 pm

Obviously not then. South Africa in real danger of being played three, lost three as its India next

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 6:19 pm

Looks like that the Rabada drop was the key moment in the game. Quite a comfortable win for Bangladesh in the end.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 6:31 pm

Duty281 wrote:Surely all over now after that ugly golf swing.

It'll be a great win for Bangladesh, a very good team to watch. Barring some downpours, South Africa are likely to go 0-3 on Wednesday, which will surely end their hopes of making the semi-finals, and leave the Kiwis the only realistic contenders for fourth spot.

Wouldn’t rule out Bangladesh - quarters in the last World Cup, semi finalists in the champions trophy and are in form clearly after their tri series win and today. Have the look of a solid side to me
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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 6:35 pm

Pointed out on cricinfo that the sides had the same number of runs (287) after 47 overs although Bangladesh had only lost 5 wickets to SA's 7. By then and with only 3 wickets left, it seemed too big a stretch for SA and so it proved.

Ngidi's injury was clearly a blow but they just don't look a top 4 side.

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 7:53 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Surely all over now after that ugly golf swing.

It'll be a great win for Bangladesh, a very good team to watch. Barring some downpours, South Africa are likely to go 0-3 on Wednesday, which will surely end their hopes of making the semi-finals, and leave the Kiwis the only realistic contenders for fourth spot.

Wouldn’t rule out Bangladesh - quarters in the last World Cup, semi finalists in the champions trophy and are in form clearly after their tri series win and today. Have the look of a solid side to me

Agree that they're in good form. Nice balanced team as well. Decent batting depth, a few powerful hitters, an excellent spin bowling attack, and one quality seamer who has a superb ODI strike rate. Think we'll get a better idea of where they are when they play New Zealand later this week.

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Post by Gooseberry on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 8:47 pm

guildfordbat wrote:Pointed out on cricinfo that the sides had the same number of runs (287) after 47 overs although Bangladesh had only lost 5 wickets to SA's 7. By then and with only 3 wickets left, it seemed too big a stretch for SA and so it proved.

Ngidi's injury was clearly a blow but they just don't look a top 4 side.

They didnt look a top 4 side before the competition, they don't look like a top 6 one now. With India up next the expectation has to be a 0-3 record, and its hard to see which teams other than the three truly awful ones they'd beat.

I guess Bangladesh have flown under the radar a touch more because noone believed SA, Pakistan and and Sri Lanka really could be as bad as they are but it does look like they have a good shot at the top 6. This is a bigger scalp for them in terms of a high profile team, but I dont think the "upset" is that great a shock really. A few folk on here were tipping them to pull some surprises backing up some good results over the past couple of years. I guess I'd written them off a bit on the basis of this being English pitches, so to turn over SA is pretty decent.

A vaguely close game is good for the tournament, but its still not really come to life yet. And certainly not the excessive scores it had billed. Apparently England Pakistan will be using the world record pitch ...short boundary and all. So that could change, I reckon Babar might just go all out T20 style if they bat first...Pakistan know they need more than 350 to beat England on any surface. 500 still seems very fanciful but there should be some fireworks if not a close game.

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Post by VTR on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 8:53 pm

The positive for South Africa is they haven't choked in this tournament. It must hurt a lot less to lose in truly abject fashion than rue lost key moments for decades to come

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Post by Gooseberry on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 8:56 pm

VTR wrote:The positive for South Africa is they haven't choked in this tournament. It must hurt a lot less to lose in truly abject fashion than rue lost key moments for decades to come

Just wait till England get an easy draw in the semi finals like the CT Rolling Eyes

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Post by VTR on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 9:00 pm

It's a good point. Maybe England deserve the tag. 2004 CT Final, the famous "Ben Stokes over", the semi final you mention, Gatting's sweep shot. Difference is probably SA are usually there or thereabouts, so seen as possible winners, whereas England have been comically awful in many tournaments

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 9:34 pm

SA fought hard and came closer this time.
They lost the game with the ball.....and batted fairly well
Giving away 330 was 40 to 50 runs too many.......even after losing Ngidi, 25 too many

BD defeating SA is still an upset and a pretty big one.
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Post by Duty281 on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 9:47 pm

VTR wrote:It's a good point. Maybe England deserve the tag. 2004 CT Final, the famous "Ben Stokes over", the semi final you mention, Gatting's sweep shot. Difference is probably SA are usually there or thereabouts, so seen as possible winners, whereas England have been comically awful in many tournaments

And, don't forget, the mammoth choke against Australia in 2003 when England couldn't dismiss Andy Bichel!

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Post by msp83 on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 10:01 pm

Could watch only the Bangladesh, and then mostly on cricinfo in between when SA batted in the 2nd half of their innings.
great win for Bangladesh. They by no means are pushovers, but to win over a side like the reputation of South Africa is some achievement. Sarkar gave them a strong start with Tamim, and Bangladesh
s senior batsmen Shakib and Mushfiq then took off from that platform. The understated but highly effective Mahmudullah who's game goes up a gear in World Cups yet gave them a fine finish. South Africa missed Ngidi particularly in the death overs. But even Rabada wasn't on top of his game and the fielding was rather poor.
But I said this earlier, their batting is far too dependent on de Kock and du Plessis. And to added to their problems, Duminy scored a few today, giving him another stretch of games. Amla is not the same ODI player who was matching Virat Kohli in the run chart step-to-step at one point, Markram is not established in this format. Dussen does look promising but is inexperienced. Miller is better than Duminy but like the latter, is rather inconsistent after all these years. Neither Morris nor Phehlukwayo are number 7 material though I would say the former is more suited to the role than Lucky. There is Rabada, and then there is Ngidi. But the latter, though a fine bowler, is rather injury prone. Tahir is getting on in age though he continues to do a decent job. Phehlukwayo is a decent, improving bowler, but not quite there yet. Morris has the attributes to be a decent limited overs bowler but doesn't get all together more often than not. So yes, they have some serious issues win both the departments.

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Post by msp83 on Sun 02 Jun 2019, 10:05 pm

Since they are playing on that stupid strip with short boundaries, tomorrow could be the first slogfest of this World Cup. It has been decent so far, just hope there is enough to keep the bowlers in the game tomorrow too. England go in as strong favorites, but Pakistan becomes most dangerous when they are completely cornered. It was ages ago that they won an ODI, and they were Short Out by the West Indies in the last game. So expect them to come out fighting tomorrow. But do they really have the quality to fight hard for long enough? Not sure...

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Post by Gooseberry on Mon 03 Jun 2019, 7:57 am

Early sun today for trent bridge with a little more cloud later and bit of a breeze. It's not hot but nothing to suggest that weather will play a big part in changing the game. It has rained abfir bit over the past few days though so it won't the hard baked surface we have seen in the previous two summers here, and as per previous fixtures in this tournament maybe not as easy to go all out on as it's being billed. Morgan has been insisting the pitch won't be as flat as it was last year, and Trent Bridge traditionaly does offer swing early in the day.
Cant see England changing their attack and Archer will fancy getting at Pakistan. If there isnt any swing then draw pace and aggression will be key, Pakistan folded under that against the West Indies. If anything theres and argument for bringing in Curran and/or Wood to bolster that but I dont see England messing with a winning formula till they have a bit more security for qualification.
Pakistan just have to turn up and play. They weren't destroyed in the recent series despite the overall score, so should have some faith they can pull off a shock. Bit morale is clearly shot and they looked like a team that didn't want to be here by the end of their last game. It's easy to see them fold again under pressure from Archer or Englands top bats if they dont get a good start.
Dont think theres any question both teams will want to bat second here. Heap the pressure on the opposition as to how much they need to aim for ....is 350 competitive or do they need 450? It's one thing that's really changed in the past decade, it used to be seen as the fielding team that would try to dictate the pace of an innings vs going for wickets, now its seems the onus is on a batting side as to how much risk they are willing to take playing like Gayle vs accumulating 1s and 2s and picking off easy balls for boundaries. Babar took a lot of unwarranted stick for getting his team to a competitive total here a few weeks ago, but we saw the of a measured approach in Englands win over SA where they could've gone badly wrong trying to set more than they needed. I do wonder if Pakistan will chuck caution to the wind if they bat first and go for broke. I suspect it will go badly wrong if they do but maybe worth a punt, they have 3 very good batsmen up top. If they bat second they might not have the choice but to do that.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 03 Jun 2019, 8:03 am

msp83 wrote:Since they are playing on that stupid strip with short boundaries, tomorrow could be the first slogfest of this World Cup. It has been decent so far

You been watching re-runs of those cricket world cup classics instead MSP? Shocked
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Post by VTR on Mon 03 Jun 2019, 9:27 am

Strange definition of decent. I get that teams racking up 450 can be boring, but a team barely scraping 100 then having the runs knocked off in about ten overs are the worst types of ODIs, and we've had two of those already!

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 03 Jun 2019, 9:43 am

Mark Wood expected to come in for Plunkett today - bit of seamer rotation
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Post by LondonTiger on Mon 03 Jun 2019, 9:59 am

VTR wrote:Strange definition of decent. I get that teams racking up 450 can be boring, but a team barely scraping 100 then having the runs knocked off in about ten overs are the worst types of ODIs, and we've had two of those already!

It has been interesting, but so far we have had a lot of one sided matches. Yesterday's was the most interesting but still a comfortable win.

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Post by Gooseberry on Mon 03 Jun 2019, 10:05 am


VTR wrote:Strange definition of decent. I get that teams racking up 450 can be boring, but a team barely scraping 100 then having the runs knocked off in about ten overs are the worst types of ODIs, and we've had two of those already!

MSP has bemoaned slogging, its not the huge scores per se but the way the runs are scored through physical power rather than quality cricket.
It worth noting that the one closesish game so far was also the highest scoring, but even that within the reasonable bounds. On the flip side Australia and the West Indies at times looked like they could score 500+ if they had bigger targets to chase or had been batting first, Gayle for example did run a few but was mostly scoring from big hits.

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Mark Wood expected to come in for Plunket today - bit of seamer rotation

Wonder how much of that is also Pakistans struggles against pace. I wasnt expecting them to change so soon but its not a terrible move either way, especially as Plunketts place was far from secure not long ago.


Reports are that despite the rain the pitch is hard and not going to have the same characteristics that made it hard to score big in the England/SA game. Again this maybe plays into the decision to go with extra pace, if the ball isn't going to move or behave unexpectedly off the pitch or through the air then the one thing a seam attack can have is raw pace. It does suggest that England are preparing for a big scoring game here.

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 03 Jun 2019, 10:08 am

England fielding first. Bang go the 500 hopes. Pakistan need absolute heaps of runs.

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Post by LondonTiger on Mon 03 Jun 2019, 10:09 am

Gooseberry wrote:Reports are that despite the rain the pitch is hard and not going to have the same characteristics that made it hard to score big in the England/SA game. Again this maybe plays into the decision to go with extra pace, if the ball isn't going to move or behave unexpectedly off the pitch or through the air then the one thing a seam attack can have is raw pace. It does suggest that England are preparing for a big scoring game here.

Bearing in mind it is not only a different pitch, but a different ground and city..... Run

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 03 Jun 2019, 10:11 am

Duty281 wrote:England fielding first. Bang go the 500 hopes. Pakistan need absolute heaps of runs.

And have adjusted their lineup accordingly - only the 4 frontline bowlers, with you'd think a combination of Hafeez/Malik making up the overs for a 5th bowler
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Post by Duty281 on Mon 03 Jun 2019, 10:37 am

I forgot how short these boundaries are at Trent Bridge. It's laughable.

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Post by LondonTiger on Mon 03 Jun 2019, 10:53 am

Good start for Pakistan

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