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Post by LondonTiger on Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:08 am

First topic message reminder :

Table
England 2pts (+2.08nrr)
Afghanistan
Australia
Bangladesh
India
New Zealand
Pakistan
Sri Lanka
West Indies
South Africa 0pts (-2.08 nrr)


Pool Fixtures

Thu, May 30 
10:30 England vs South Africa  (The Oval)

Fri, May 31 
10:30 West Indies vs Pakistan (Trent Bridge)

Sat, Jun 1 
10:30 New Zealand vs Sri Lanka (Cardiff)
13:30 Afghanistan vs Australia (Bristol)

Sun, Jun 2 
10:30 South Africa vs Bangladesh (The Oval)

Mon, Jun 3 
10:30 England vs Pakistan (Trent Bridge)

Tue, Jun 4 
10:30 Afghanistan vs Sri Lanka (Cardiff)

Wed, Jun 5 
10:30 South Africa vs India (Southampton)
13:30 Bangladesh vs New Zealand (The Oval)

Thu, Jun 6 
10:30 Australia vs West Indies (Trent Bridge)

Fri, Jun 7 
10:30 Pakistan vs Sri Lanka (Bristol)

Sat, Jun 8 
10:30 England vs Bangladesh (Cardiff)
13:30 Afghanistan vs New Zealand (Taunton)

Sun, Jun 9 
10:30 Australia vs India (The Oval)

Mon, Jun 10 
10:30 South Africa vs West Indies (Southampton)

Tue, Jun 11 
10:30 Bangladesh vs Sri Lanka (Bristol)

Wed, Jun 12 
10:30 Australia vs Pakistan (Taunton)

Thu, Jun 13 
10:30 India vs New Zealand (Trent Bridge)

Fri, Jun 14 
10:30 England vs West Indies (Southampton)

Sat, Jun 15 
10:30 Australia vs Sri Lanka (The Oval)
13:30 Afghanistan vs South Africa (Cardiff)

Sun, Jun 16 
10:30 India vs Pakistan (Old Trafford)

Mon, Jun 17 
10:30 Bangladesh vs West Indies (Taunton)

Tue, Jun 18 
10:30 England vs Afghanistan (Old Trafford)

Wed, Jun 19 
10:30 New Zealand vs South Africa (Edgbaston)

Thu, Jun 20 
10:30 Australia vs Bangladesh (Trent Bridge)

Fri, Jun 21 
10:30 England vs Sri Lanka (Headingley)

Sat, Jun 22 
10:30 Afghanistan vs India (Southampton)
13:30 New Zealand vs West Indies (Old Trafford)

Sun, Jun 23 
10:30 Pakistan vs South Africa (Lord’s)

Mon, Jun 24 
10:30 Afghanistan vs Bangladesh (Southampton)

Tue, Jun 25 
10:30 England vs Australia (Lord’s)

Wed, Jun 26 
10:30 New Zealand vs Pakistan (Edgbaston)

Thu, Jun 27 
10:30 India vs West Indies (Old Trafford)

Fri, Jun 28 
10:30 South Africa vs Sri Lanka (Edgbaston)

Sat, Jun 29 
10:30 Afghanistan vs Pakistan (Headingley)
13:30 Australia vs New Zealand (Lord’s)

Sun, Jun 30 
10:30 England vs India (Edgbaston)

Mon, Jul 1 
10:30 Sri Lanka vs West Indies (Riverside Ground)

Tue, Jul 2 
10:30 Bangladesh vs India (Edgbaston)

Wed, Jul 3 
10:30 England vs New Zealand (Riverside Ground)

Thu, Jul 4 
10:30 Afghanistan vs West Indies (Headingley)

Fri, Jul 5 
10:30 Bangladesh vs Pakistan (Lord’s)

Sat, Jul 6 
10:30 India vs Sri Lanka (Headingley)
13:30 Australia vs South Africa (Old Trafford)




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Post by KP_fan on Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:33 am

KP_fan wrote:Pakistan's "5th & 6th Bowlers"
5-19-1 wkt Shocked

make that 2-23 off 6 and a half overs
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Post by KP_fan on Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:35 am

Duty281 wrote:Poor shot from Stokes. Poor shots characterising the whole innings.

Nope that's pressure...which can ONLY be felt in the CT & World cup games.
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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:35 am

Shocking display today. Brush it off and forget about it.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:40 am

Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:Shocking display today. Brush it off and forget about it.

Hmm not been good has it - poor in the field, poor with the ball and now some truly poor dismissals too.

Be interested to see how their fielding performance ranks - Athers was saying the one against SA was their 2nd best since the last World Cup according to the analysts, this one must’ve been the worst or near worst
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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:42 am

Worst fielding display at home in a long time most certainly, Roy in particular didn't seem switched on at all. Rather fortunately there's 9 group matches to iron out these issues

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Post by VTR on Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:43 am

Now need Root to go on to a hundred and Buttler to make a hundred at a good pace. Basically down to the last chance partnership given Moeens form

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Post by Duty281 on Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:46 am

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:
Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:Shocking display today. Brush it off and forget about it.

Hmm not been good has it - poor in the field, poor with the ball and now some truly poor dismissals too.

Be interested to see how their fielding performance ranks - Athers was saying the one against SA was their 2nd best since the last World Cup according to the analysts, this one must’ve been the worst or near worst

Played the spinners very poorly. In general, struggled to rotate the strike and failure to put the bad ball away.

Afghanistan and Bangladesh will be watching with interest.

That was a better over from England. They actually attacked.

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Post by king_carlos on Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:06 am

A poor display from England but I've been glued to this game since sitting down half way through the Pakistan innings. Really entertaining game thus far. The tiny bit more in it for the bowlers than recently at Trent Bridge has made all the distance.

If Root and Buttler can get this partnership over 100 then it should be an exciting finish.

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Post by Duty281 on Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:08 am

Two edges straight through the vacant first slip off of Riaz's bowling. England have a perfectly acceptable run-rate, but wickets lost is the big concern. One or both of Moeen or Woakes is likely going to need to contribute a 30+ knock if England are to escape.

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Post by Duty281 on Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:14 am

50 for Buttler off just 34 deliveries. Brutal innings with some clean hitting.

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Post by king_carlos on Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:17 am

52* from 34 balls yet Buttler hasn't looked like he's really got going yet!

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Post by Duty281 on Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:32 am

100 partnership, but still so much work to be done. They've done magnificently, so far, to keep the RRR in check.

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Post by king_carlos on Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:44 am

Wonderful century from Root. Babar gave him a chance but he's batted beautifully from there. Especially good innings given the wickets he's watched drop around him and the pressure that built.

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Post by Duty281 on Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:44 am

Century for Roooooooot. A dutiful and classy innings that's kept England in the match.

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Post by Duty281 on Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:49 am

Ah, he's gone now. Shadab built the pressure with a few dots. Solid bowling.

101 still needed. Contributions required from the lower order.

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Post by king_carlos on Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:51 am

Fascinating finish coming. England need Buttler to bat deep now.

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Post by Duty281 on Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:59 am

Now Moeen gets dropped. High drama.

Thankfully, for England, Shadab only has one over left.

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Post by Duty281 on Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:08 am

England see off Shadab. 75 needed off 42. Moeen's only scored 7 off 11 and needs to step it up.

Still some batting to come.

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Post by king_carlos on Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:11 am

That run rate is creeping up now, England need to find the boundary but Pakistan are bowling well.

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Post by Duty281 on Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:16 am

Century for the great Somerset man as he carves one to the rope. Awe-inspiring stuff.

And gone next ball. Alas it looks as though England might fall short.

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Post by king_carlos on Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:18 am

Duty281 wrote:Century for the great Somerset man as he carves one to the rope. Awe-inspiring stuff.
*Lancashire man these days although he's not played too many games for them!

Century and out for Buttler. Brilliant innings but a huge wicket for Pakistan.

England need 12 an over from Moeen, Woakes, Rashid, Archer and Wood.

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Post by VTR on Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:21 am

Two hundreds scored and England are still going to lose! Good match though, best so far

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Post by JDizzle on Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:21 am

Come on then Mo, you’ve got to do the damage here.

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Post by Duty281 on Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:21 am

Ah, true, though I'll always think of Buttler as a Somerset man!

Tough ask from here for the lower order/tail, but the short boundaries and pace on the ball will keep them in business.


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Post by Duty281 on Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:26 am

Moeen looking so out of sorts in the middle. RRR going towards 14.

Got to swing and pray. Archer's also capable of hitting a maximum if/when he comes in.

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Post by king_carlos on Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:27 am

Moeen is stuttering along here as England direly need boundaries.

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Post by king_carlos on Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:30 am

Sarfaraz has been great entertainment to watch today. Full range of emotion shown every over!

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Post by Duty281 on Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:32 am

Oo-er, 15 off the 47th over. Woakes got lucky a couple of times and Moeen clobbered one to the fence. RRR just under 13.

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Post by alfie on Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:35 am

Still a pulse , I see Smile

Going to need some clean hits...like that one !

30 from 15 ?..

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Post by king_carlos on Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:37 am

That's a shocking dismissal from Moeen. Just hung his bat out and chipped it to the fielder.

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Post by Duty281 on Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:38 am

Torturous innings from Ali is over. 29 off 13. If Archer rescues England here, the hype machine will explode.

Woakes gone next ball. That's the game. England's top order failings gave the rest too much to do. A relatively simple chase gone awry. It was concerning how poor some of England's batsman were against the spin bowlers.

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Post by alfie on Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:43 am

Ah...done now , Moeen and Woakes in successive balls...

Was too much to ask I guess. Decent chase but they had lost too many wickets . Had a feeling Pakistan was a banana skin.

That's let some air out of their tyres. Hope they can bounce back from this defeat but after the loss to Australia in the warm up in similar fashion followed by this that air of invincibility is gone. The other teams will fancy pressuring them out of it...


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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:43 am

I think going forward maybe Buttler should ditch the gloves and bat at 4 a la the former South African genius de Villiers. If Buttler batted at 4 his average could soon be up near 50

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Post by king_carlos on Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:44 am

Duty281 wrote:Torturous innings from Ali is over. 29 off 13. If Archer rescues England here, the hype machine will explode.

Woakes gone next ball. That's the game. England's top order failings gave the rest too much to do. A relatively simple chase gone awry. It was concerning how poor some of England's batsman were against the spin bowlers.
Morgan and Stokes both getting out trying to cut balls that weren't there against off spinners in particular.

What a fantastic game this has been though. England have been a long way from their best but Pakistan have bowled well when needed.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:45 am

Worth noting the last two World Cup winners India 2011 and Australia 2015 both lost a game en route to landing your trophy. Nothing to worry about just a slight kick in the balls

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:46 am

Too many poor moments/performances from England today I’m afraid - unfortunately needed one of Root or Buttler to see it through, but that didn’t happen.

Roy’s drop the most costly moment for me - Hafeez hadn’t got really going then, and would’ve really opened up their order. Don’t think england bowled particularly badly, not hugely well either though

Batting wise only Root and Buttler came to the party, the other 4 of the top 6 got out far too softly
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Post by Duty281 on Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:49 am

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_fielding_first=2;class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=team_score;result=1;template=results;trophy=12;type=team;view=innings

Odd stat that flashed up earlier. Three of the six highest successful chases in World Cup history have been completed by the Irish. Bangladesh and Sri Lanka (x2) are the others.

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Post by alfie on Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:50 am

Lost by 14. Gave at least that away through uncharacteristically poor fielding...

Back to the drawing board. Me back to bed.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:50 am

Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:Worth noting the last two World Cup winners India 2011 and Australia 2015 both lost a game en route to landing your trophy. Nothing to worry about just a slight kick in the balls

Also you know this whole World Cup is setup so you can lose a few and still make the semi finals
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Post by Duty281 on Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:51 am

king_carlos wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Torturous innings from Ali is over. 29 off 13. If Archer rescues England here, the hype machine will explode.

Woakes gone next ball. That's the game. England's top order failings gave the rest too much to do. A relatively simple chase gone awry. It was concerning how poor some of England's batsman were against the spin bowlers.
Morgan and Stokes both getting out trying to cut balls that weren't there against off spinners in particular.

What a fantastic game this has been though. England have been a long way from their best but Pakistan have bowled well when needed.

Yep best game of the tournament so far (not a high bar, admittedly!). Bangladesh up next for the English, which will pose an interesting challenge.

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Post by JDizzle on Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:51 am

Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:I think going forward maybe Buttler should ditch the gloves and bat at 4 a la the former South African genius de Villiers. If Buttler batted at 4 his average could soon be up near 50

Morgan is nearly 33 now, so whilst not the edge of retirement probably won’t make 2023. So Buttler could slot in there.

A slip up today for England, they would still expect to qualify for the semis but they’ve made it harder for themselves with Aus, Ind, NZ still to come.

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Post by king_carlos on Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:53 am

Big worry for England will be Rashid as well. He was bowling flatter and faster today without much turn. Perhaps a consequence of his shoulder problem.

With 7 group games to come this loss in itself isn't a big setback though. It's going to be a long, drawn out tournament but if several sides show up then the group stages will get exciting towards the latter stages. Net run rate may even start being vital.

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Post by KP_fan on Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:09 pm

after BD -SA game.... today again the lower rated team won by similar margins defending big totals

How teams stand relatively in my View:

-BD & WI stand as top-2 having beaten higher rated sides  clap  clap  clap
-Pak and NZ are joint 3rd ....one with a huge won and huge loss and the other (NZ) with an expected but big win

-Eng stand 5th and SA definitely last
ain't worth judging Aus, Ind and Afg yet....but one thing for sure......This world cup is wide open, thanks to the format OK
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Post by KP_fan on Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:49 pm

-On the game today....I feel sorry for home team and fans...there is huge expectation in a home world cup especially if home side has been doing well....I know the feeling from 1987, 1996 and finally broke the jinx in 2011 in a easy format though

-Pressure, Pressure, Pressure ...that is the key......like it exists  in world cups & maybe Champions Trophy doesn't exist in bilateral series.

I used to call bilateral games " Meaningless Masala ODIs" one time.

Now I am a bit more respectful .....
They aren't totally meaningless as they serve purpose of finding right combinations, giving break to new players, trying strategies, practicing in competitive situations.......cashflows for boards.

But neither pressure is like in world-cups nor is there motivation to raise the game if you play 25 ODIs in a year and individual games not remembered for too long

-Pressure is of consequences.... "what if I lose",  what will my fans/ family think
someone like Morgan(aged 33) would be thinking
"will I still be captain in next world-cup or even hold my place in side next time....is there a next time for me"

It was always hard for SA and Eng to chase down 330 and 348 and they both did well to come so close.

-the bowling sides raises their levels....Pak was so fired up....and hardly had any weak link
Eng is a MUCH superior batting side & was contained under an inferior Pak batting-side's score.....such was the strength of Pak bowling....Riaz in particular can blow very , very hot in a patch of 3 overs, with not more than 10 to bowl...brings out the tail-ender in likes of Moeen, Archer, Rashid etal

Most Teams have warmed up and world cup wide open an don't be surprised if SA blow away a still cold india this Sat
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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:13 pm

JDizzle wrote:
Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:I think going forward maybe Buttler should ditch the gloves and bat at 4 a la the former South African genius de Villiers. If Buttler batted at 4 his average could soon be up near 50

Morgan is nearly 33 now, so whilst not the edge of retirement probably won’t make 2023. So Buttler could slot in there.

A slip up today for England, they would still expect to qualify for the semis but they’ve made it harder for themselves with Aus, Ind, NZ still to come.
I think win or lose the trophy that Morgan should go after this event. We need to start planning for the 2023 world cup and Buttler needs time to grow as captain and potentially the new number 4.There's also talk of a rules refresh coming in October.

Morgan can easily go back and play for Ireland for a few more years.

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Post by Duty281 on Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:14 pm

I'll eat my hat if Australia/India/England don't all make it to the semi-finals and if one of those teams isn't the eventual winner. The format makes it more likely that the best teams will go through; an upset like this would have very nearly been terminal for England in 1999 or 2003, but in this format they can shrug it off and go again, as we expect them to.

Today was a good showcase for Pakistan. I had them in the mid-tier teams before the tournament started and, though they had an aberration against the Windies, they're still well in the hunt for the semis, especially with South Africa starting off so poorly. It'll either be them or New Zealand taking spot number four.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:16 pm

king_carlos wrote:Big worry for England will be Rashid as well. He was bowling flatter and faster today without much turn. Perhaps a consequence of his shoulder problem.

With 7 group games to come this loss in itself isn't a big setback though. It's going to be a long, drawn out tournament but if several sides show up then the group stages will get exciting towards the latter stages. Net run rate may even start being vital.
If Rashid's injury is more severe than Morgan is letting on, we need to give Dawson a chance in a couple of the upcoming games. No point Dawson sitting on the bench then coming in cold for a crucial semi final

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:19 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:
Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:Worth noting the last two World Cup winners India 2011 and Australia 2015 both lost a game en route to landing your trophy. Nothing to worry about just a slight kick in the balls

Also you know this whole World Cup is setup so you can lose a few and still make the semi finals
I wouldn't be entirely comfortable going into semi finals having lost 3-4 times but I get point.

Honestly I thought we'd only potentially get beaten by Australia or India, or the Windies if they bombed us with bouncers

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Post by VTR on Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:45 pm

This is a definite setback, it means England probably need to beat two out of three of NZ, India and Australia to be secure. No need to panic as they will still be favourites in all of those games, but they are certainly not gimmes as shown today

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Post by KP_fan on Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:48 pm

Duty281 wrote:I'll eat my hat if Australia/India/England don't all make it to the semi-finals and if one of those teams isn't the eventual winner. The format makes it more likely that the best teams will go through; an upset like this would have very nearly been terminal for England in 1999 or 2003, but in this format they can shrug it off and go again, as we expect them to.

1999 and 2003 were SUPER six formats which also rewarded consistent sides
and if there was a super six now...a defeat of Eng to Pak won't be terminal for Eng.......Eng would still definitely make it to Top SIX and stood a good chance of winning 2 out of 3 super six games.

Yeah......at this point anyone would say your 3 above will make to semis
but that's with with tournament so early that Aus and Ind not having played even  one material game each....... people are already refraining from predicting the top 4 ( or top 5)
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