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Post by jimbobgooner on Sun 26 May 2019, 2:19 pm

Surrey have named a 14-man squad to travel to Edgbaston for the Specsavers County Championship fixture against Warwickshire starting on 27th May.
Matt Dunn and Jamie Smith are in contention for selection while Jordan Clark has been added to the squad.
Gus Atkinson has been named for the 1st time in a surrey squad (well I cant remember if he has before I'm getting old Laugh )
Sam Curran will miss out after picking up a hamstring injury in the draw with Kent at Beckenham. Sad
Jade Dernbach (calf) and Amar Virdi (side) are working back to fitness in the 2nd XI
There is no place in the squad for either Freddie van Den Bergh, Conor McKerr Shocked or Stuart Meaker.
FULL SQUAD
Rory Burns (c)
Gus Atkinson
Gareth Batty
Scott Borthwick
Jordan Clark
Rikki Clarke
Matt Dunn
Dean Elgar
Ben Foakes
Will Jacks
Morne Morkel
Ryan Patel
Jamie Smith
Mark Stoneman
No idea what has happened to McKerr the club are keeping that under wraps
Atkinson, Clark and Smith to miss out for me
Patel just edges out Clark for the final spot mainly due to his bowling.
Over to you chaps thumbsup






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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 26 May 2019, 4:46 pm

Cheers, JimBob. Just seen the Club thread which I guess has been updated since your post - that mentions McKerr being out with a heel injury from the Beckenham game.

I tend to agree with you about Atkinson, Clark and Smith missing out.
Dunn seems a direct and natural replacement for McKerr. It probably also slightly helps Dunny's chances that Virdi isn't playing - they are both regarded as number 11s and Surrey don't want two in their line up.
Difficult to see Atkinson and Smith getting a game.
Shoot out between Clark and Patel for Sam's spot. Very hard to call - could go either way but I'll edge towards Patel.

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Post by jimbobgooner on Sun 26 May 2019, 8:38 pm

guildfordbat wrote:Cheers, JimBob. Just seen the Club thread which I guess has been updated since your post - that mentions McKerr being out with a heel injury from the Beckenham game.

I tend to agree with you about Atkinson, Clark and Smith missing out.
Dunn seems a direct and natural replacement for McKerr. It probably also slightly helps Dunny's chances that Virdi isn't playing - they are both regarded as number 11s and Surrey don't want two in their line up.
Difficult to see Atkinson and Smith getting a game.
Shoot out between Clark and Patel for Sam's spot. Very hard to call - could go either way but I'll edge towards Patel.
thanks for the update Guildford thumbsup

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Post by guildfordbat on Mon 27 May 2019, 10:52 am

JimBob on the money with our eleven. I'm sure Olly would have chosen the same! Laugh

Toss uncontested, Surrey elect to field. Haven't seen pictures of the track so can't propely comment but still a bit surprised - means we'll be facing Jeetan Patel 4th dig.

Matt Dunn needs one more scalp for 100 first-class wickets.

Olly and all - is there a stream please?


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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 27 May 2019, 11:18 am

https://warwickshireccc.com/fixtures/first-xi/warwickshire-vs-surrey-27th-may-2019/

Stream should be on there folks - commentary is very muffled at the moment tho
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Post by jimbobgooner on Mon 27 May 2019, 11:48 am

no early breakthrough now off for rain 27 for 0

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Post by James100 on Mon 27 May 2019, 11:52 am

Glad to see Patel was picked ahead of Clark.

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Post by guildfordbat on Mon 27 May 2019, 12:25 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:https://warwickshireccc.com/fixtures/first-xi/warwickshire-vs-surrey-27th-may-2019/

Stream should be on there folks - commentary is very muffled at the moment tho

Cheers, Olly.

Decent enough bowling - Dunn did himself no harm opening (7-3-16-0) - but no breakthrough yet. They're now back on with Warks having moved to 33/0.

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Post by jimbobgooner on Mon 27 May 2019, 12:55 pm

Judas sibley gone Very Happy

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 27 May 2019, 1:14 pm

More than a touch concerned Batty has taken two wickets with turning deliveries in session 1 on day 1 when we’ve decided to bowl first....

Have we looked up rather than down?
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Post by jimbobgooner on Mon 27 May 2019, 1:23 pm

lunch will taste much better now Smile

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Post by guildfordbat on Mon 27 May 2019, 1:28 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:More than a touch concerned Batty has taken two wickets with turning deliveries in session 1 on day 1 when we’ve decided to bowl first....

Have we looked up rather than down?

Hi Olly - hmmm. Having 'em 63/2 seems ok but like you I'm concerned how we're going to do with the bat, particularly against Jeetan Patel fourth dig and have been since we chose to field.

Your use of ''looked up rather than down'' entitles me to repeat another old favourite -
You have two choices on winning the toss [we didn't actually win it but let that go]. You either bat or think about it and then bat. Smile

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Post by guildfordbat on Mon 27 May 2019, 4:24 pm

Tea. 149/3 after 54 overs (there were a couple of rain stoppages). 32 left today provided the weather holds.

Doesn't look as if Warks will be getting too many batting bonus points which'll please JimBob a bit but we could really do with another wicket soon.

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Post by jimbobgooner on Mon 27 May 2019, 5:15 pm

wkt for Guildford's boy Smile

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Post by guildfordbat on Mon 27 May 2019, 5:18 pm

jimbobgooner wrote:wkt for Guildford's boy Smile

thumbsup 100 up for Dunny! Long time coming but he's stuck at it. clap

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Post by jimbobgooner on Mon 27 May 2019, 5:24 pm

2nd bowling point Smile

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Post by jimbobgooner on Mon 27 May 2019, 5:38 pm

Dunn on fire at the moment Very Happy

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Post by jimbobgooner on Mon 27 May 2019, 6:16 pm

9th wkt proving a pain steam


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Post by guildfordbat on Mon 27 May 2019, 6:28 pm

jimbobgooner wrote:10th wkt proving a pain steam

9th isn't it? Certainly annoying - in all seriousness, I would have bowled better than Elgar. Absolute buffet over, mainly short and legside = terrible and released the pressure when all the other 5 bowlers had been going at under 3 an over.

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Post by jimbobgooner on Mon 27 May 2019, 6:29 pm

guildfordbat wrote:
jimbobgooner wrote:10th wkt proving a pain steam

9th isn't it?
Sorry

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 27 May 2019, 6:49 pm

Well having got ourselves into a fantastic position, we’ve thrown it all away
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Post by guildfordbat on Mon 27 May 2019, 7:52 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Well having got ourselves into a fantastic position, we’ve thrown it all away

A day of changing fortunes for sure. From 165/3 to 186/8 and then to 275/8 at the close. Shocked

As I said earler, the real turning point was Elgar's solitary over. It was utterly dreadful and went for 17, really setting Norwell off on his blitz. I largely blame Burns for that. Turning to Elgar was so unnecessary. They were 203/8 at the time with all 5 main bowlers going at under 2.8 an over. We just needed to stick at it and keep applying pressure. There was no need to give the ball to a slow part-timer and hope to buy a wicket.

Despite my ending the day in a rather grumpy mood, I'm pleased for Dunn. After all the struggles he's had in the last few years, he more than deserved a good day. Although his 3 wickets are his real reward, he'll also be chuffed to have sent down 22 overs.

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Post by kingdaveeagle on Tue 28 May 2019, 10:10 am

Did I fall asleep and imagine the last year? Must have done as Batty is playing again and we still cannot bowl sides out. Seriously though, the IPL and Central Contracts have ruined the county game. As soon as you have some success, you lose players to the IPL and the England hierarchy can decide on a whim whether you can have your best players for games or not. Yorkshire have suffered from this in recent years - now it's happening to us. Plus add in a very long injury list.

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Post by James100 on Tue 28 May 2019, 12:33 pm

Stoneman having another pretty horrible season so far

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Post by kingdaveeagle on Tue 28 May 2019, 3:52 pm

guildfordbat wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:More than a touch concerned Batty has taken two wickets with turning deliveries in session 1 on day 1 when we’ve decided to bowl first....

Have we looked up rather than down?

Hi Olly - hmmm. Having 'em 63/2 seems ok but like you I'm concerned how we're going to do with the bat, particularly against Jeetan Patel fourth dig and have been since we chose to field.

Your use of ''looked up rather than down'' entitles me to repeat another old favourite -
You have two choices on winning the toss [we didn't actually win it but let that go]. You either bat or think about it and then bat. Smile

Not doing too well against him first time around - 3 wickets in 5 balls. This is against the bottom side too. We really have gone to pot.

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Post by jimbobgooner on Tue 28 May 2019, 3:53 pm

mad mad mad steam steam steam steam

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Post by jimbobgooner on Tue 28 May 2019, 3:56 pm

the Borthwick lbw decision was a shocker picard

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Post by jimbobgooner on Tue 28 May 2019, 4:14 pm

what a dreadful session furious

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Post by guildfordbat on Tue 28 May 2019, 4:36 pm

It's probably fortunate that I've been busy all day and had little time to follow the disasters at Edgbaston.

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Post by guildfordbat on Tue 28 May 2019, 4:58 pm

The drinks are on King Dave as we avoid the follow on! Shocked Wink

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Tue 28 May 2019, 5:39 pm

Think Mr Burns has a lot to answer for in this one - firstly the decision at the toss...and secondly that "Elgar" decision yesterday...
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Post by jimbobgooner on Tue 28 May 2019, 5:39 pm

now a stupid run out picard

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Post by jimbobgooner on Tue 28 May 2019, 5:42 pm

50 for foakes clap

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Post by jimbobgooner on Tue 28 May 2019, 5:53 pm

only four bowlers used chin

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Post by jimbobgooner on Tue 28 May 2019, 6:17 pm

188 all out Sad

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Post by thegooch7 on Tue 28 May 2019, 6:26 pm

Warwickshire played 3 lost 3.........Hello Surrey

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Post by jimbobgooner on Tue 28 May 2019, 6:40 pm

thegooch7 wrote:Warwickshire played 3 lost 3.........Hello Surrey
Doh

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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 29 May 2019, 11:07 am

Are we allowed to state that Surrey's season has gone off the wheels yet?

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Post by guildfordbat on Wed 29 May 2019, 3:07 pm

Gooseberry wrote:Are we allowed to state that Surrey's season has gone off the wheels yet?

Goose - I'll leave you to answer your own question - I reckon you're pretty confident of the answer! Smile

Meanwhile, the stoppages today for bad light earlier and rain now are going to give Warks a tricky problem as to when to declare. Tomorrow's forecast looks a lot better - they're not yet 200 in front and will want more than that before the declaration comes. However, they won't be banking on us turning to jelly as soon as Jeetan Patel gets the ball (however much we think it'll happen) and so have to allow a reasonable amount of time to take 10 wickets. Furthermore, Warks have so far lost 3 out of 3 this season. Being on top now, I doubt they'll be satisfied with merely stopping their losing run - they'll want the win but how much will they be prepared to risk losing in going for it?

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Post by jimbobgooner on Wed 29 May 2019, 5:08 pm

stumps rain saves the day Smile

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Post by guildfordbat on Wed 29 May 2019, 5:15 pm

jimbobgooner wrote:stumps rain saves the day Smile

But not necessarily the match, JimBob. It'll be interesting to see what happens tomorrow. Likelihood is that Jeetan Patel will go through us like a hot knife through margarine but we have more chance than last night and definitely more chance than we deserve.

PS Where is the Corporal? I want a reliable weather forecast for next week in my neck of the woods. Early reports don't sound too clever but I only trust the Corporal. Smile

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Post by thegooch7 on Wed 29 May 2019, 7:42 pm

Warwickshire will smash it for 20 overs, setting us over 300, get us in before lunch needing more than 4 an over for about 70 overs, which will be interesting as our ace 'all rounder' Elgar scores at just over 4 an hour. Need our top 3 to last a session to escape with a draw, or the weather to help, but like guildford says, I think Patel will go through us in the afternoon

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 29 May 2019, 7:55 pm

We'll see out a draw no dramas
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Post by guildfordbat on Wed 29 May 2019, 8:07 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:More than a touch concerned Batty has taken two wickets with turning deliveries in session 1 on day 1 when we’ve decided to bowl first....

Have we looked up rather than down?

You were saying?

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 29 May 2019, 8:14 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:We'll see out a draw no dramas

Reason I say this, Warwickshire are going to bat on a fair bit I'd wager - having lost all 3 games so far this season, they'll be keen to secure a draw "at worst" and for this I think they'll want more than setting us 300 in 70 overs - I reckon they'll give themselves 60 overs, likely 300+, doubt they'll come out swinging first thing. Last thing they want is to collapse in a heap tomorrow AM, and leave us a chase of 250

And despite our batting woes, we should be able to see out 60 overs between our batting lineup.
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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 29 May 2019, 8:25 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:We'll see out a draw no dramas

Reason I say this, Warwickshire are going to bat on a fair bit I'd wager - having lost all 3 games so far this season, they'll be keen to secure a draw "at worst" and for this I think they'll want more than setting us 300 in 70 overs - I reckon they'll give themselves 60 overs, likely 300+, doubt they'll come out swinging first thing. Last thing they want is to collapse in a heap tomorrow AM, and leave us a chase of 250

And despite our batting woes, we should be able to see out 60 overs between our batting lineup.


The way the points system works a draw doesnt suit anyone, its set up to try and force results and encourage fighting declarations. That said the way they batted up till the rain doesn't suggest they were in any desperate hurry to make a total, and also that batting conditions are not great. I reckon somewhere between the two, they will want to be well over 200 ahead when the innings ends and wont go out suicidaly for it, but it would be a surprise to me if they bat after lunch. If they get through their overs quickly it still gives them a chance of a win. 300 is way too much for this pitch batting 4th, if they dont back themselves to defend 250 (in two sessions) then they might as well give up on county cricket anyway.

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Post by guildfordbat on Thu 30 May 2019, 8:21 am

I am as certain as I can be that we will be batting before lunch. The question for me is - how much before? I would guess for around 30 minutes.

Both sides need a positive result. That still doesn't guarantee one but it makes it more likely.

That will give us a chance of a win although Warks remain favourites with Patel as their figurehead. If we are to win, I would be looking to Jacks to play a prominent role.

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Post by Gooseberry on Thu 30 May 2019, 9:01 am

Should be a full days play today. Theres a bit of grey cloud around and damp in the air but no rain forecast. Cloud is due to go away late afternoon so there should be no issues with light.
Good county bowling conditions. All in furthers Guilfords argument above, theres a strong chance of a result and both sides need one. Expect a competitive declaration or Surrey to fold them up quickly.


Just in regard to the central contracts comment someone made above. Surrey are very lucky they exist, theyd be in worse straights without them. The world cup and associated fixtures were always a thing. All of Surreys players who have gone to it are covered by central contracts awarded last summer. This means they knew in the off season which players where most likely to be missing for this period, and importantly could budget to cover for them knowing their wages were covered.
Whilst it doesnt help to be missing Curran, Roy (albeit that they have 4 other quality top order batsmen and he plays very little CC) and Plunkett they have been able to plan and mitigate for these losses. When you look at the squad its still stacked, Elgar came in to cover the period when players were gone for the world cup. Their woes are much more to do with the injuries (Pope, otherCurran, Vidri) and general under performance (Stoneman in particular). I feel a lot more for Hampshire who have had two players called up for England who aren't under central contracts and who they couldn't have comfortably funded and planned cover for in this period.

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Post by James100 on Thu 30 May 2019, 1:02 pm

Stoneman gone already

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Post by Gooseberry on Thu 30 May 2019, 2:05 pm

10 wickets for Batty... hmmm (something about quality of county cricket)

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