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Post by LondonTiger Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:48 pm

First topic message reminder :

Table

New Zealand5 9 1.591
England581.862
Australia580.812
India471.029
Bangladesh55-0.27
Sri Lanka54-1.778
West Indies530.272
South Africa53-0.193
Pakistan53-1.933
Afghanistan50-2.089
Pool Fixtures

Thu, May 30 
10:30 England vs South Africa  (The Oval)

Fri, May 31 
10:30 West Indies vs Pakistan (Trent Bridge)

Sat, Jun 1 
10:30 New Zealand vs Sri Lanka (Cardiff)
13:30 Afghanistan vs Australia (Bristol)

Sun, Jun 2 
10:30 South Africa vs Bangladesh (The Oval)

Mon, Jun 3 
10:30 England vs Pakistan (Trent Bridge)

Tue, Jun 4 
10:30 Afghanistan vs Sri Lanka (Cardiff)

Wed, Jun 5 
10:30 South Africa vs India (Southampton)
13:30 Bangladesh vs New Zealand (The Oval)

Thu, Jun 6 
10:30 Australia vs West Indies (Trent Bridge)

Fri, Jun 7 
10:30 Pakistan vs Sri Lanka (Bristol)

Sat, Jun 8 
10:30 England vs Bangladesh (Cardiff)
13:30 Afghanistan vs New Zealand (Taunton)

Sun, Jun 9 
10:30 Australia vs India (The Oval)

Mon, Jun 10 
10:30 South Africa vs West Indies (Southampton)

Tue, Jun 11 
10:30 Bangladesh vs Sri Lanka (Bristol)

Wed, Jun 12 
10:30 Australia vs Pakistan (Taunton)

Thu, Jun 13 
10:30 India vs New Zealand (Trent Bridge)

Fri, Jun 14 
10:30 England vs West Indies (Southampton)

Sat, Jun 15 
10:30 Australia vs Sri Lanka (The Oval)
13:30 Afghanistan vs South Africa (Cardiff)

Sun, Jun 16 
10:30 India vs Pakistan (Old Trafford)

Mon, Jun 17 
10:30 Bangladesh vs West Indies (Taunton)

Tue, Jun 18 
10:30 England vs Afghanistan (Old Trafford)

Wed, Jun 19 
10:30 New Zealand vs South Africa (Edgbaston)

Thu, Jun 20 
10:30 Australia vs Bangladesh (Trent Bridge)

Fri, Jun 21 
10:30 England vs Sri Lanka (Headingley)

Sat, Jun 22 
10:30 Afghanistan vs India (Southampton)
13:30 New Zealand vs West Indies (Old Trafford)

Sun, Jun 23 
10:30 Pakistan vs South Africa (Lord’s)

Mon, Jun 24 
10:30 Afghanistan vs Bangladesh (Southampton)

Tue, Jun 25 
10:30 England vs Australia (Lord’s)

Wed, Jun 26 
10:30 New Zealand vs Pakistan (Edgbaston)

Thu, Jun 27 
10:30 India vs West Indies (Old Trafford)

Fri, Jun 28 
10:30 South Africa vs Sri Lanka (Edgbaston)

Sat, Jun 29 
10:30 Afghanistan vs Pakistan (Headingley)
13:30 Australia vs New Zealand (Lord’s)

Sun, Jun 30 
10:30 England vs India (Edgbaston)

Mon, Jul 1 
10:30 Sri Lanka vs West Indies (Riverside Ground)

Tue, Jul 2 
10:30 Bangladesh vs India (Edgbaston)

Wed, Jul 3 
10:30 England vs New Zealand (Riverside Ground)

Thu, Jul 4 
10:30 Afghanistan vs West Indies (Headingley)

Fri, Jul 5 
10:30 Bangladesh vs Pakistan (Lord’s)

Sat, Jul 6 
10:30 India vs Sri Lanka (Headingley)
13:30 Australia vs South Africa (Old Trafford)




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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:38 pm

Confirmed a back spasm for Morgan, so thankfully not something that will rule him out of the tournament you'd think. Not sure how effective he'll be with the willow today tho...the physio's are earning their keep today!
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Post by alfie Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:47 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Confirmed a back spasm for Morgan, so thankfully not something that will rule him out of the tournament you'd think. Not sure how effective he'll be with the willow today tho...the physio's are earning their keep today!

Are indeed.

I'd thought it would likely be the bowlers who'd get injured...

Hopefully Morgan and Roy will recover soonish. Could probably cope without them against Afghanistan ,who are the next opponent. No need to take risks ahead of the the Big Three games.

Decent start with the bat. These two run well together ...and play some rather nice strokes as well thumbsup

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Post by LondonTiger Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:48 pm

They have batted quite a lot together over the years.

What is the pace of the WI bowlers like?

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Post by Duty281 Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:49 pm

40/0 after 6 overs. Don't really know about the formula, but this must be doing England's NRR the world of good.

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Post by Gooseberry Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:52 pm

alfie wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Should be said, Root opening is not too unsurprising - he was in third ball of the whole world cup after all!

True.  I am hearing my suggested opener - your man Woakes - is in line to bat high up the order ?

Hopefully these two can get a good start. But there is some risk in Stokes Buttler 3 and 4 with two crocks and the bowlers all that's left to follow...


Yep. With Moeen not picked Waokes would be next in ... Morgan might bat 5 depending how his back is but even if hes fit Roy isnt allowed to bat higher than 7. You could see Plunket at 6.

But really it should be OK, its going fine so far. Ahead of the rate, no wickets down. Chances are 5 wont even be needed.

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Post by Gooseberry Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:53 pm

LondonTiger wrote:They have batted quite a lot together over the years.

What is the pace of the WI bowlers like?

Plenty of 90moph + stuff but its being dealt with. Its easy for England when they can afford to play on merit.

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Post by alfie Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:54 pm

LondonTiger wrote:They have batted quite a lot together over the years.

What is the pace of the WI bowlers like?

Pretty nippy. Gabriel on now and hitting 90 already. Similar the openers.

They've actually bowled some good full stuff...but a few too many short and loose.

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Post by Gooseberry Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:56 pm

Oh boy ...anyone seen the SRi Lanka whingeathon?

the hotel we were put up at Bristol did not have a swimming pool

possibly the highlight.

Turn up with a team that deserves to be at the tournament. The ICC should put in a complaint about their play.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:59 pm

To be honest if I was West Indies, I would be letting Russell have these overs in the changing room. Bowling these overs doing him or the team no good either in this game or for future games
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Post by LondonTiger Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:59 pm

They coudl have swum at the ground, it was wet enough.

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Post by Gooseberry Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:59 pm

alfie wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:They have batted quite a lot together over the years.

What is the pace of the WI bowlers like?

Pretty nippy.  Gabriel on now and hitting 90 already.  Similar the openers.

They've actually bowled some good full stuff...but a few too many short and loose.

Ambrose very much of the opinion they are trying too much for the miracle ball and pace. They are giving too many easy scoring shots.

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Post by dummy_half Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:01 pm

50 up in 7.1 overs, with Root scoring at better than a run a ball. OK, not the fireworks of Roy bashing it into the stands, but effectively putting the bad balls away, allied to good running between the wickets.

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Post by alfie Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:01 pm

Russell doesn't look comfortable at all. Not going to bowl a long spell , I think.

Root playing very smoothly through the covers today Cat

(Well those cover drives make me purr)

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Post by Gooseberry Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:01 pm

LondonTiger wrote:They coudl have swum at the ground, it was wet enough.

Im surprised they havent kicked off about not being able to get Jeremey Kyle of the hotel TVs Rolling Eyes

Dont these lads have anything better to do like go out drinking all night and getting into fights after snorting coke?

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Post by Gooseberry Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:02 pm

alfie wrote:Russell doesn't look comfortable at all.  Not going to bowl a long spell , I think.

Root playing very smoothly through the covers today Cat

(Well those cover drives make me purr)

Yeah its silly to bowl him at all. I know they see this as a must win but really his insurance company must be livid.

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Post by alfie Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:04 pm

Gooseberry wrote:
alfie wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:They have batted quite a lot together over the years.

What is the pace of the WI bowlers like?

Pretty nippy.  Gabriel on
now and hitting 90 already.  Similar the openers.

They've actually bowled some good full stuff...but a few too many short and loose.

Ambrose very much of the opinion they are trying too much for the miracle ball and pace. They are giving too many easy scoring shots.

Probably true. But in fairness with only 212 and no bowling depth/variety ...what choice do they have ? Steady dry stuff won't cut it today...

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Post by Gooseberry Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:05 pm

alfie wrote:
Gooseberry wrote:
alfie wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:They have batted quite a lot together over the years.

What is the pace of the WI bowlers like?

Pretty nippy.  Gabriel on
now and hitting 90 already.  Similar the openers.

They've actually bowled some good full stuff...but a few too many short and loose.

Ambrose very much of the opinion they are trying too much for the miracle ball and pace. They are giving too many easy scoring shots.

Probably true.  But in fairness with only 212 and no bowling depth/variety ...what choice do they have ?  Steady dry stuff won't cut it today...

Well apparently the choice is ruin Russells career

This is horrid and wrong.

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Post by king_carlos Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:15 pm

alfie wrote:Hopefully Morgan and Roy will recover soonish.  Could probably cope without them against Afghanistan ,who are the next opponent.  No need to take risks ahead of the the Big Three games.
1.Bairstow 2.Vince 3.Root 4.Moeen 5.Stokes 6.Buttler (wk, c) 7.Woakes 8.Curran 9.Plunkett 10.Rashid 11.Archer/Wood

Potentially something like that for Afghanistan on Tuesday even if Morgan and Roy miss out. That would give them until next Friday to get fit for Sri Lanka and Tuesday 25th against India when that important run in of India, Australia and NZ begins.

I expect that England will take the chance to push Moeen up the order against Afghanistan and/or Sri Lanka to see if he can buy some form with the bat.

On the bowling front I think Curran will play to rest one of the seamers, probably one of the quicks in Archer or Wood.

Dawson is then the final option if England wanted to rest Rashid and lengthen the batting. I'm expecting the ICC to select a spin favouring wicket at Old Trafford for the Afghanistan game so might be more likely for Rashid to sit out the Sri Lanka game.

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Post by alfie Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:16 pm

Yeah Russell should be in cotton wool . Holder has started well. He is a reliable one. But Russell still bowling...daft.

Jonny a bit scratchy lately : Root hogged the strike for about three or four overs and he's lost a bit of rhythm ...though that's a nice Eddie Barlow over slip for four. Might get him going again...

69 off eleven. Not bad.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:17 pm

Pretty sure I read they're using a used wicket for the Afghanistan game Carlos
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Post by king_carlos Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:18 pm

Bairstow isn't taking on the bouncers as he usually does in ODI cricket.

It's smart batting really with the combination of longer square boundaries and England wanting this partnership to ensure that Morgan and Roy don't need to bat.

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Post by king_carlos Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:21 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Pretty sure I read they're using a used wicket for the Afghanistan game Carlos
Usually means that it will spin a bit more which will play to Afghanistan's strengths.

The ICC are choosing wickets to get the best matches possible, which I love, so it would make sense for them to select a used wicket for Afghanistan vs England.

A slower, spin friendly wicket gives Shahzad and Hazratullah the chance to tee up, then Rashid, Nabi and Mujeeb the chance to show their great talent.

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Post by Gooseberry Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:31 pm

king_carlos wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Pretty sure I read they're using a used wicket for the Afghanistan game Carlos
Usually means that it will spin a bit more which will play to Afghanistan's strengths.

The ICC are choosing wickets to get the best matches possible, which I love, so it would make sense for them to select a used wicket for Afghanistan vs England.

A slower, spin friendly wicket gives Shahzad and Hazratullah the chance to tee up, then Rashid, Nabi and Mujeeb the chance to show their great talent.



Sri Lanka would disagree.

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Post by king_carlos Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:39 pm

Gooseberry wrote:
king_carlos wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Pretty sure I read they're using a used wicket for the Afghanistan game Carlos
Usually means that it will spin a bit more which will play to Afghanistan's strengths.

The ICC are choosing wickets to get the best matches possible, which I love, so it would make sense for them to select a used wicket for Afghanistan vs England.

A slower, spin friendly wicket gives Shahzad and Hazratullah the chance to tee up, then Rashid, Nabi and Mujeeb the chance to show their great talent.



Sri Lanka would disagree.
Not easy to develop helpful wickets for that side to be fair.

Allow them Kwik cricket rules perhaps?

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Post by alfie Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:40 pm

Bairstow will be annoyed with himself rather throwing that away in the end...gone for 45 : but an opening stand of 95 has put them on course for the target...

Who's up next ? Ah ...as predicted , it's Chris Woakes. Hope Olly is watching...

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:47 pm

alfie wrote:Bairstow will be annoyed with himself rather throwing that away in the end...gone for 45 : but an opening stand of 95 has put them on course for the target...

Who's up next ?  Ah ...as predicted , it's Chris Woakes.  Hope Olly is watching...

He's here, he's playing cover drives that I'd very much like to take out on dates, I am in heaven
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Post by king_carlos Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:50 pm

The pundits will love Woakes up the order as well. A few have mention tongue in cheek that Woakes could open in tests better than some recent England openers given his technique against the quicks.

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Post by Gooseberry Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:54 pm

The new Kallis

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:00 pm

A run a ball 50 for Joe Root is it?
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Post by Duty281 Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:02 pm

A very classy innings from Joe Root. Passed 5500 ODI runs today.

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Post by alfie Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:02 pm

Good fifty for young Joe clap

Mr Reliable.

England doing this pretty comfortably. Apart from the injuries it's been a good day for the home team.

Actually rather happy to see Woakes getting a go at batting up the order. Adds to the flexibility of the team if he can do this when required. And I'm sure he will want to press his credentials as an all round performer with an eye to the Ashes series...

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Post by VTR Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:12 pm

Windies too predictable with their bowling. OK, not much to bowl at, but the surprise element is long gone. Don't understand Gayle bowling either, even if he picks up a couple the risk of tweaking his back is too much for me.

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Post by alfie Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:15 pm

Cruising to a victory ...think I've seen enough , time for sleep and let you fellows see them home,

Better lose a couple of late wickets though as I think I've got them for E rather than T in the tipping competition... Smile

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Post by Gooseberry Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:16 pm

I think Gayle having stolen a quick single and slid to stop a boundary today hes fully earned his right to bowl as well.
Of all the things you can fault west indies for the (pointless) efforts of Gayle and Russel arent one.
It's just a pity hes still an odious human.

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Post by VTR Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:22 pm

I can't fault the effort of the individuals, but the captain/management should be looking to manage the workload of a player who can barely run yet is absolutely key to them doing anything in the tournament

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Post by Gooseberry Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:41 pm

For some reason the crowd is absolutely in love with Fabian Allen ...at least theres something to cheer!

Shame this games fizzled out, it had the makings of classic. Always a risk that fatigue would catch West Indies and once behind their heads dropped pretty quickly.

Interesting stats regarding the short bowling, its been horribly ineffective today. As per the Pakistan Aus game it was more a pitch it up wicket.

I think their campaign from here on in will be turgid and difficult, not just because Andre presumably wont play again.

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Post by Gooseberry Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:45 pm

More stats ...Root is leading run sorer in the tournament now
England are joint "top" catch droppers with Pakistan.
Woakes the first opening bowler to bat in the top 3 for England in an ODI since Cork ...hmmm


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Post by VTR Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:48 pm

Well Duty called it right, Windies look absolutely mediocre today and were pretty brainless with the bat. The bowling was always left with top much to do and England knew what was coming. Agree Windies struggle from here, the wheels are coming off

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Post by dummy_half Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:51 pm

Drinks taken? 23 runs needed and it is not exactly a red hot day.

Anyway, very professional display from England so far bar a couple of dropped catches.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:52 pm

This England side isn’t an England side, not by the definitions I experienced in my formative years.

They’ve gone out there and played an innings that had them set up for 350, with an opener injured, captain injured and a bowler (yeah, I know) at 3.

I know the Windies have kinda given up, but this should be very good for morale in the English camp. Levels of professionalism too.

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Post by Duty281 Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:54 pm

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=12357;type=tournament

Yep, Root is the highest run-getter at this tournament so far, nudging ahead of Shakib Al-Hasan. Roy at 4 and Buttler at 6.

If Root scores 7 more in this innings, he becomes the first batsman to get two centuries at this World Cup.

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Post by dummy_half Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:56 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:This England side isn’t an England side, not by the definitions I experienced in my formative years.

They’ve gone out there and played an innings that had them set up for 350, with an opener injured, captain injured and a bowler (yeah, I know) at 3.

I know the Windies have kinda given up, but this should be very good for morale in the English camp. Levels of professionalism too.

I know the feeling. The only other time I recall like this, where we had a team where so many things were clicking, is the 2005 Ashes. I still think they have a bad performance in them, but that's interspersed with so many really good ones...

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Post by Duty281 Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:07 pm

Century for the great man. clap

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Post by dummy_half Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:09 pm

100 off 93 balls for England's slow and steady batsman Wink

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:17 pm

Very polite from Stokes that. Waits for Root to complete a very fine hundred before biffing a couple of boundaries to win the game.

Root played very nicely indeed, and is surely a shoe-in for MOM with his useful pair of wickets too, but that's hardly the most taxing century he'll ever make.

An absolute tonking that, and a very good, professional performance from England.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:17 pm

Duty281 wrote:Century for the great man. clap

Him and Jos locked in a tussle for the title of England’s greatest ever ODI player
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Post by LondonTiger Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:35 pm

Root has now overtaken Alec Stewart to move into 5th place in the list of England International run scorers (ie across all 3 formats). Just 37 runs behind Gooch and less than 200 behind Bell should overtake both during the WC.

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Post by king_carlos Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:36 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Century for the great man. clap

Him and Jos locked in a tussle for the title of England’s greatest ever ODI player
Certainly an argument that Root is a better ODI player than Test player on recent form. He's an outstanding Test player as well and England's best batsman by a mile in that format but his ODI record is outstanding.

Average is now over 50 in ODIs and his strike rate just keeps ticking up. If he continues this form that strike rate will soon be over 90.

I hope he gets his conversion rate up in Tests and starts scoring big, match defining centuries. That's the one thing missing currently.

A brilliant all round cricketer though with his improved slip fielding.

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Post by king_carlos Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:40 pm

Importantly for England that win opens up a 3 point buffer from Windies and Pakistan.

Without getting ahead of ourselves, England should be able to grow that lead and their NRR over the Afghanistan and Sri Lanka games. That would leave them in a good position going into India, Aus and NZ.

The rain has been hugely frustrating but looking at the table the best 4 teams in the tournament are currently in the semi-final spots.

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Post by Duty281 Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:02 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Century for the great man. clap

Him and Jos locked in a tussle for the title of England’s greatest ever ODI player

A great contest.

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