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Post by LondonTiger on Tue 11 Jun 2019, 12:48 pm

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Table

New Zealand5 9 1.591
England581.862
Australia580.812
India471.029
Bangladesh55-0.27
Sri Lanka54-1.778
West Indies530.272
South Africa53-0.193
Pakistan53-1.933
Afghanistan50-2.089
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Thu, May 30 
10:30 England vs South Africa  (The Oval)

Fri, May 31 
10:30 West Indies vs Pakistan (Trent Bridge)

Sat, Jun 1 
10:30 New Zealand vs Sri Lanka (Cardiff)
13:30 Afghanistan vs Australia (Bristol)

Sun, Jun 2 
10:30 South Africa vs Bangladesh (The Oval)

Mon, Jun 3 
10:30 England vs Pakistan (Trent Bridge)

Tue, Jun 4 
10:30 Afghanistan vs Sri Lanka (Cardiff)

Wed, Jun 5 
10:30 South Africa vs India (Southampton)
13:30 Bangladesh vs New Zealand (The Oval)

Thu, Jun 6 
10:30 Australia vs West Indies (Trent Bridge)

Fri, Jun 7 
10:30 Pakistan vs Sri Lanka (Bristol)

Sat, Jun 8 
10:30 England vs Bangladesh (Cardiff)
13:30 Afghanistan vs New Zealand (Taunton)

Sun, Jun 9 
10:30 Australia vs India (The Oval)

Mon, Jun 10 
10:30 South Africa vs West Indies (Southampton)

Tue, Jun 11 
10:30 Bangladesh vs Sri Lanka (Bristol)

Wed, Jun 12 
10:30 Australia vs Pakistan (Taunton)

Thu, Jun 13 
10:30 India vs New Zealand (Trent Bridge)

Fri, Jun 14 
10:30 England vs West Indies (Southampton)

Sat, Jun 15 
10:30 Australia vs Sri Lanka (The Oval)
13:30 Afghanistan vs South Africa (Cardiff)

Sun, Jun 16 
10:30 India vs Pakistan (Old Trafford)

Mon, Jun 17 
10:30 Bangladesh vs West Indies (Taunton)

Tue, Jun 18 
10:30 England vs Afghanistan (Old Trafford)

Wed, Jun 19 
10:30 New Zealand vs South Africa (Edgbaston)

Thu, Jun 20 
10:30 Australia vs Bangladesh (Trent Bridge)

Fri, Jun 21 
10:30 England vs Sri Lanka (Headingley)

Sat, Jun 22 
10:30 Afghanistan vs India (Southampton)
13:30 New Zealand vs West Indies (Old Trafford)

Sun, Jun 23 
10:30 Pakistan vs South Africa (Lord’s)

Mon, Jun 24 
10:30 Afghanistan vs Bangladesh (Southampton)

Tue, Jun 25 
10:30 England vs Australia (Lord’s)

Wed, Jun 26 
10:30 New Zealand vs Pakistan (Edgbaston)

Thu, Jun 27 
10:30 India vs West Indies (Old Trafford)

Fri, Jun 28 
10:30 South Africa vs Sri Lanka (Edgbaston)

Sat, Jun 29 
10:30 Afghanistan vs Pakistan (Headingley)
13:30 Australia vs New Zealand (Lord’s)

Sun, Jun 30 
10:30 England vs India (Edgbaston)

Mon, Jul 1 
10:30 Sri Lanka vs West Indies (Riverside Ground)

Tue, Jul 2 
10:30 Bangladesh vs India (Edgbaston)

Wed, Jul 3 
10:30 England vs New Zealand (Riverside Ground)

Thu, Jul 4 
10:30 Afghanistan vs West Indies (Headingley)

Fri, Jul 5 
10:30 Bangladesh vs Pakistan (Lord’s)

Sat, Jul 6 
10:30 India vs Sri Lanka (Headingley)
13:30 Australia vs South Africa (Old Trafford)




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Post by VTR on Sun 16 Jun 2019, 8:54 pm

That was an anticlimax in terms of a contest. Indian fans won't care, in fact they will be delighted. India do look very good and I can't see them not making the final. Pakistan, that England game is looking like a one-off good performance, which is pretty annoying!

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Post by Gooseberry on Sun 16 Jun 2019, 9:01 pm

Indeed VTR but not annoying enough for it to cost England a top 4 place unless they slip up badly again.
They can afford to lose to the big names and still qualify, especially with the way NRR are looking.
I do feel Pakistan are better than that performance but just got overawed and intimidated by a better again Indian side.

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Post by msp83 on Sun 16 Jun 2019, 9:14 pm

KP_fan wrote:@msp.....so as we discussed it was a matter of time before Kuldeep will pick wickets OK

He bowled so well today....tied the Pak batsmen in knots, beat them often, they were not reading him & trying to adjust off the pitch.....and triggered a collapse knocking the wind out of their sails...and riding his back Pandya / Shankar picked some more wkts.

I think if Kohli had bowled his last over out, he might have plucked  another wicket or 2 out.

This Indian team does not need BIG 300s....and as I said many time 2 wrist spinners are the differentiator that pick wickets in middle overs when other sides are trying to contain.....and so they can compete with 275ish and 300 is plenty for them to defend.

And so they first try too get in the range of Min 275ish, before stepping up the pace

Great show of depth to knock off Pak comprehensively even with a lead seamer out with 7.3 overs remaining....Pandya stepped up.

I think Bhuvi has some kinda small niggle...and should be ready soon...won't be surprised if it's coz he is trying to bowl faster then he should.

India has an equal replacement in Shami who many thought should have played ahead of Bhuvi...only that he doesn't bat as well.

How correct the selectors were who called Shankar a 3 Dimensional player when selecting him ahead of Rayadu in the squad.

Our next game is Afg in a week's time and then WI on 27th June....so we can allow Bhuvi to rest and recover and give some game time to Shami

Indeed KPF, relieved and glad to see Kuldeep back. After being mauled by Moeen Ali in the IPL Kuldeep's confidence had taken a real blow, and he really hasn't been on top of his game. But today he was back, and the delivery that got Babar was Pure Kuldeep magic. Chahal for once, had a bit of a poor game, but he should hopefully be back to his best pretty soon.

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Post by msp83 on Sun 16 Jun 2019, 9:25 pm

Fine, comfortable win for India in the end. Kohli said he would have bowled first had he won the toss. I though was very happy Sarfraz put India in. As KPF said, scoreboard can be a particularly important factor in India-Pak games...
Rohit Sharma, admittedly not my most favorite Indian player, had an outstanding game. He batted so effortlessly and was pretty much in control, and even the Pakistanis were surprised when he got out. Haven't seen a more fluent start to a big Rohit innings. Usually when he gets going from ball one, it would end up as one of those frustrating knocks that could have achieved a great deal more. When batting with Dhawan, it is often Shikhar who takes the lead in taking the bowling and Rohit would take his time, but since KL Rahul was making a return to the opening position after a long time, Rohit took on the responsibility and let Rahul settle into his innings. Very mature from Sharma it has to be said.
Kohli again scored a machine like half-century. We really haven't seen anything like the best of Virat, even when striking at above hundred, Kohli hasn't really tried to really attack though he remains mighty effective. Happy for Rahul too, he took his time and then failed to fully make it count, but a 50 back at the top of the order will do him a a world of good and we know he's a confidence player.
Hardik didn't get a substantive opportunity to lay into the Pak spinners, and he seemed to be trying to over attack just a touch. He can do some pretty amazing things in limited overs in particular if he trusts his basic game a bit more.

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 16 Jun 2019, 9:28 pm

msp83 wrote:

Indeed KPF, relieved and glad to see Kuldeep back. After being mauled by Moeen Ali in the IPL Kuldeep's confidence had taken a real blow, and he really hasn't been on top of his game. But today he was back, and the delivery that got Babar was Pure Kuldeep magic. Chahal for once, had a bit of  a poor game, but he should hopefully be back to his best pretty soon.

Chahl was good in his first spell and when he was in tandem with Kuldeep...and although he gave a few runs...they weren't reading him.....were just swinging and when they bowl as a pair sometimes one of them doesn't get wickets

Chahl ( and Bumraha) juts went through motions when they came back after rain and Rahul dropped a dolly....every one was switched off....although they should not have been

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Post by msp83 on Sun 16 Jun 2019, 9:35 pm

Bhuvi's injury is the big concern of the day though. Kohli suggested he's likely to be out for a couple of games. As the skipper himself suggested, there is Shami in reserves and he's a more than capable replacement. Though he can hit some sixes, he goes completely mental with bat in hand, and even 9 is a position too high for him. With Kuldeep back in form, they can't do too much in terms of the combinations. With Rohit, Kohli, Dhawan and Rahul doing the heavy lifting with the bat along with blasts from Hardik, MS and the lower middle order hasn't been tested much yet. Shankar has yet again seemed incapable of batting anywhere lower than 4. Though his efforts with the ball, particularly when Bhuvi was unavailable was creditable, it was a pretty tame performance with the bat, and an innings like that can undo a lot of the advantage built by the top order. His innings today reminded me of the Nedahas trophy final where Dinesh Karthik overcame Shankar's pathetic performance. Shankar has been lucky so far that the team has managed to overcome his poor and would be costly batting performances, but you can't always expect to be lucky... So despite his impressive performance with the bat, India should get Pant ready sooner rather than later. Would surely retain Shankar for the next couple of games, but he has to do better than this with the bat.

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Post by msp83 on Sun 16 Jun 2019, 9:37 pm

KP_fan wrote:
msp83 wrote:  

Indeed KPF, relieved and glad to see Kuldeep back. After being mauled by Moeen Ali in the IPL Kuldeep's confidence had taken a real blow, and he really hasn't been on top of his game. But today he was back, and the delivery that got Babar was Pure Kuldeep magic. Chahal for once, had a bit of  a poor game, but he should hopefully be back to his best pretty soon.

Chahl was good in his first spell and when he was in tandem with Kuldeep...and although he gave  a few runs...they weren't reading him.....were just swinging and when they bowl as  a pair sometimes one of them doesn't get wickets

Chahl ( and Bumraha) juts went through motions when they came back after rain and Rahul dropped a dolly....every one was switched off....although they should not have been

Everyone other than Kohli. Virat seemed rather pissed that the team was a bit switched off.

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 16 Jun 2019, 9:51 pm

msp83 wrote: Shankar has yet again seemed incapable of batting anywhere lower than 4. Shankar has been lucky so far that the team has managed to overcome his poor and would be costly batting performances, but you can't always expect to be lucky... So despite his impressive performance with the bat, India should get Pant ready sooner rather than later. Would surely retain Shankar for the next couple of games, but he has to do better than this with the bat.

I would give credit where due.....to the Pak bowling...there was something in the pitch and their left arm pacers were classy and hostile in the last 10 overs....not just today but also against Eng and Aus
and so Dhoni fell for a duck.....and Pandya went only a bit more than run a ball & Kohli also failed to explode......so it's not fair to blame Shankar only for scoring a run a ball 15*

although I do believe Jadhav should have been sent before Shankar today.

On Shankar.....I think he is a good batsman....technically organized....straight bat, back foot...and hits very hard down the ground in the V.
he is not a Pandya...but a proper batman who can fit in ODIs and test squad also as India's number 6 who can build long innings.... and also bowl 10 overs of seam if needed.......he averages almost 50 in Ranji Trophy.
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Post by Gooseberry on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 8:28 am

Its pretty ridiculous to right a player off for their first ever innings where they faced just 15 balls. It does seem the ire against him is more based on prejudice and wanting to see him fail based on prior opinions over who should have been selected. 
Kpf pretty much nails in in pointing out that the Universe Boss of Bosses Dhoni got out for a duck despite being some kind of SAS commando ninja warrior. Jadahav scored at essentially the same rate. He was also looking to put Kholi on strike, something Kholi repayed by misshitting a single and putting him straight back int the firing line against Pakistans best bowler. Straight after the rain break he took the single and got Kholi back on strike who scored then holed out. 
Amir was bowling absolutely brilliantly. Pakistan really seemed to have worked out a formula for controlling teams at the end, and held their nerves bowling out a lot of overs of junk spin in the middle to hold their seamers back for it. India had a  few big overs there, including smashing the two real part timers, but often let themselves get tied down despite having two of their best batsmen very well set and a comfortable padding of wickets in the bag. Blame that period every bit as much the death overs for India not getting to the sort of total that looked on at one point. 
But really as Kpf alluded to that in itself was smart cricket and different to what we saw from the West Indies and others. they backed their bowlers and seemed to know what was enough, balanced the risk. At the death in particular the DLS implications had to be a consideration. Once you're down to the last two overs in what was a pretty high total already its hard to significantly increase the over all run rate; even a 20 run over doesn't impact it greatly. Wickets though can, had they ended up 6 down then Pakistans revised targets would've been a bit more realistically achievable.  And looking at what was to come in 6 down could easily have been 7 or 8 and even with another 10-15 runs on the board they would've been in a weaker position overall. 

He may well prove to be out of his depth at this level but give the lad a chance and criticise him for what hes really done not anger at him being selected over a favourite. Also see Rohit, India fans are finally begrudgingly accepting hes a good player.

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Post by Gooseberry on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 8:53 am

Forecast dry for today and almost certainly an increasingly rare unaffected game.
Its unlikely to impact the top 4 and lacks glamour but this game should be pretty tight.
Apparently West Indies are making a final call on Russell this morning which just seems insane. He didnt train and clearly hasnt been fit for the games hes played.
The other quicks apparently are fit but that how much they can stand up to bending their backs for 10 overs remains to be seen. Bangladesh in theory should be terrified of the all out pace attack, but would be quite happy taking Nurse apart if he plays.
Bangladesh are very reliant on their star man. If theres something in the pitch for their spinners ( its Taunton) then they have a solid chance.
Big thing really is just how much west indies morale and motivation has gone, if it's the 2018 west indies team then Bangladesh should win.

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 9:02 am

Bangladesh will be confident (good price at 7/4), but it's hardly a game to set the pulse racing.

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Post by Pal Joey on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 9:03 am

Gooseberry wrote:Its pretty ridiculous to right a player off...

Are you all write, Goose?

Yeah... I know. The rain can affect us all. Smile
What's the weather like? Will we get a full match in today?
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Post by VTR on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 9:18 am

Should get a full match but muggy swing/seam type conditions. Won't matter to the Windies who will bang everything in half way down the pitch whatever. Could actually work vs Bangladesh to be fair

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Post by robbo277 on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 10:05 am

Looking at the forecast for tomorrow in Manchester and should be a good morning with a bit of rain possibly about in the afternoon. Which got me thinking about a hypothetical scenario.

Afghanistan bat first, and make about 170ao. Then the rain hits and reduces the game. To constitute a game, you need 20 overs per side. Let's say the D/L on this gives England a target of 100 in 20 overs. It gets to 1hr 45 before the scheduled end of play and the rain has cleared up with no prospect of further rain, but the outfield needs possibly a further 15 minutes to be fully dry.

Do the umpires call the game as there isn't enough time to get the 20 overs in (I think 1hr 45 is what you get allocated in a blast game)? Or do the umpires allow England to bat their innings on the basis that there is a good chance that the game would be completed within the time available, as England should be able to get the runs in fewer overs?

I guess on a similar train of thought, can you declare a one day innings? If you're 300-2 after 40 overs and you think there's possibly 2 more hours of sun before the heavens completely open and wash out the rest of the day, can you take 300 as your 50 over score and get to bowling?

Not that I think either of these things will be relevant for tomorrow. Just bored on a Monday really!

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 10:09 am

You can't declare a one-day innings, or a T20 one presumably, after the incident in this game.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worcestershire_v_Somerset,_1979

And I think in the first scenario, umpires would only take into consideration that 20 overs need to be bowled, not that England might knock it off in 12 overs.

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Post by robbo277 on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 10:27 am

Duty281 wrote:You can't declare a one-day innings, or a T20 one presumably, after the incident in this game.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worcestershire_v_Somerset,_1979

And I think in the first scenario, umpires would only take into consideration that 20 overs need to be bowled, not that England might knock it off in 12 overs.

That's pretty bad. My favourite line was this though:

Just over a week after the match, the Test and County Cricket Board met for an emergency session and voted to eject Somerset from the competition by a vote of seventeen to one.

I'm guessing it was the 18 counties meeting and Somerset were the vote against?

That's what I thought on the second. Cricket does often seem inflexible when it comes to rain delays, sometimes for good reason it has to be said (e.g. hard finish times because of ground logistics etc). You'd think if there was a chance of a result though the umpires should let play continue.

EDIT: Read further down. Apparently Somerset voted for their own expulsion.

Somerset were ejected from the competition by seventeen votes to one; only the representative from Derbyshire opposed it, and even Somerset voted for the expulsion,

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 10:33 am

Roy confirmed hamstring tear and will miss the next two games. Morgan is a possible for tomorrow as his back spasm calms down
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Post by James100 on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 10:34 am

Roy confirmed out for two games, Morgan hasn't yet been ruled out against Afghanistan

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Post by Gooseberry on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 10:45 am

Oooph thats blow, lucky for England its two silly games that Vince and maybe even Dawson wouldve fancied to get their go at.
Hoping the give Curran a bowl too, he really made the best of the opportunities he was given to demand a spot in the squad.

I agree England should look to shorten the game as much as possible against Afghanistan, bowl them out first and bat aggressively. The rain is likely to come late afternoon on the current forecast so they really should have enough time to get the 70 overs in but it would be an epic fail to bat all day to make 500 (cough) first up then in over 19 go off.

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 10:48 am

robbo277 wrote:Read further down. Apparently Somerset voted for their own expulsion.

Somerset were ejected from the competition by seventeen votes to one; only the representative from Derbyshire opposed it, and even Somerset voted for the expulsion,

It really comes to something when a club is embarrassed by its own players' actions!

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 10:49 am

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Roy confirmed hamstring tear and will miss the next two games. Morgan is a possible for tomorrow as his back spasm calms down

As long as Roy is firing for the semi-finals, it's ok. At least it'll mean Vince gets some batting practice. Hopefully Curran will get a game too.

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 10:51 am

Dot ball king Gayle goes for a 13 ball duck.

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Post by Gooseberry on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 11:04 am

Well I think we can see which windies has turned up. Sigh

See they have 4 proper bowlers plus Russell... so either hes had some serious magic sponge treatment or they will be relying on HRH Universe Boss to bowl some significant overs. Given the pathetic attempt hes made at batting I wouldnt expect him to be exactly charging in! 

Not that the Bangladesh bowlers look much fitter. Mortaza looks goosed, but for some reason the windies dont seem bothered to hit him.

Oh Lewis hits him for 6 as I type!

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Post by LondonTiger on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 11:35 am

Duty281 wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Roy confirmed hamstring tear and will miss the next two games. Morgan is a possible for tomorrow as his back spasm calms down

As long as Roy is firing for the semi-finals, it's ok. At least it'll mean Vince gets some batting practice. Hopefully Curran will get a game too.

If Morgan is out as well as Roy I am guessing that Moeen may come in. Curran getting a game instead of Plunkett could be a good isea, but would they want to make 3 changes?

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Post by Gooseberry on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 11:39 am

Something about Curran batting better than Moeen recently.

Bangaldesh for some reason trying to bowl short at the west indies. It's a slow bounce by what's being said in TMS which wont really suit west indies.
Current pair picking up the rate nicely though and putting them in a far healthier position.

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 11:45 am

LondonTiger wrote:
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Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Roy confirmed hamstring tear and will miss the next two games. Morgan is a possible for tomorrow as his back spasm calms down

As long as Roy is firing for the semi-finals, it's ok. At least it'll mean Vince gets some batting practice. Hopefully Curran will get a game too.

If Morgan is out as well as Roy I am guessing that Moeen may come in. Curran getting a game instead of Plunkett could be a good isea, but would they want to make 3 changes?

They might be wary of so many changes, but the game against Afghanistan is the perfect time to experiment.

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Post by LondonTiger on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 11:54 am

Gooseberry wrote:Something about Curran batting better than Moeen recently.

No disagreement from me on that. Yet if two batters drop out I am convinced they will call up Moeen alongside Vince.

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 11:57 am

Hope/Lewis building a good platform, but scoring is so pedestrian. Really struggling to put the bad ball away to the rope.

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Post by Gooseberry on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 11:58 am

Yeah I'm not disagreeing it's far more likely. But they also would've wanted to be able to rest folk like Rashid who is still carrying an injury and Archer to protect him.
They also cant take it for granted and with two seniors already missing, I suspect in Morgans case as more of a precaution, it becomes riskier.
There could be a full squad rotation, just the enforced changes, or something in between.

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Post by alfie on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 12:17 pm

Personally I'd rest Rashid and one of Wood or Archer and give all the "reserves " a run...

Not to disrespect the Afghans ; but all these players are good enough and ought to be capable of getting the job done ... The batting choices may be out of their hands , and the bowling looks perfectly competent with , say , Wood Woakes Curran Plunkett Dawson Stokes and Moeen. So why not rotate ? Woakes could even bat up the order again ...the good thing about having the right squad is you can mix them around and it will still work...

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Post by Gooseberry on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 12:36 pm

Game in play is shaping up interestingly. Windies have wickets in the bank but tickling over at a modest rate still. There could well be a flurry of sixes and wickets towards the end.
A total that puts Bangladesh out of the game altogether looks unlikely but they should end up with something solid even if the acceleration goes wrong.
Bowling wise the West Indies are set up to contain on any level and almost certainly will come out head hunting again. Given the slow bounce on the pitch if Bangladesh have the guts and technique they could really cash in and score easily. Equally it's quite possible they will fold like a pancake. The exclusion of Braithwaite and Russell's continued injury issues means a fair bit of dross will have to be bowled and theres nowhere to hide anyone having a bad day.

This is not the sort of cricket predicted or feared for this competition. Scores have really been pretty low overall in comparison to the last few summers here.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 12:57 pm

They need Hope to do something now. This is poor from the Windies otherwise

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 1:07 pm

Bangladesh's bowling starting to fall apart here. 210/3 with 14 to go. 320 easily on here, unless they get Hetmyer quickly.

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Post by robbo277 on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 1:08 pm

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Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Roy confirmed hamstring tear and will miss the next two games. Morgan is a possible for tomorrow as his back spasm calms down

As long as Roy is firing for the semi-finals, it's ok. At least it'll mean Vince gets some batting practice. Hopefully Curran will get a game too.

If Morgan is out as well as Roy I am guessing that Moeen may come in. Curran getting a game instead of Plunkett could be a good isea, but would they want to make 3 changes?

They might be wary of so many changes, but the game against Afghanistan is the perfect time to experiment.

It may have just been lip service, but after the last game Morgan said they weren't taking anyone lightly and would play their strongest available team. It feels like one we could rotate for, but I'm not sure if we will beyond enforced changes.

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Post by Gooseberry on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 1:09 pm

Seems it Hetmeyer not Hope whos thrown caution and the kitchen sink to the wind. A real game changer in just 13 balls. Momentum firmly with WI

Do feel a wicket will come quickly and shift it back though

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Post by Gooseberry on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 1:10 pm

46 in 3 overs... yikes.

12 off the first 3 in this one ...crumbs.



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Post by Gooseberry on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 1:22 pm

Vital Catch by Iqbal. That was the west indies we had been waiting for ...very briefly
Russell for 0 now....
The big hitters outs, Bravo, Holder, Hope still to go though



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Post by Pal Joey on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 1:26 pm

Got him this time. Dre gone.
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Post by Gooseberry on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 1:29 pm

Still fancy WI from here, they should get over 300 which is a strong position against an average batting side.

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Post by alfie on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 1:31 pm

Superb over from Mustafizur gives Bangladesh a chance of trimming this runaway innings over the latter stages...

Russell not making a mark at all ...but Holder has started in lively fashion Smile

Still looking like a big total. Suppose you can chase a few here though so game not over yet...

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 1:37 pm

Half paying attention, could hear how much Holder creamed that six

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Post by alfie on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 1:38 pm

robbo277 wrote:Looking at the forecast for tomorrow in Manchester and should be a good morning with a bit of rain possibly about in the afternoon. Which got me thinking about a hypothetical scenario.

Afghanistan bat first, and make about 170ao. Then the rain hits and reduces the game. To constitute a game, you need 20 overs per side. Let's say the D/L on this gives England a target of 100 in 20 overs. It gets to 1hr 45 before the scheduled end of play and the rain has cleared up with no prospect of further rain, but the outfield needs possibly a further 15 minutes to be fully dry.

Do the umpires call the game as there isn't enough time to get the 20 overs in (I think 1hr 45 is what you get allocated in a blast game)? Or do the umpires allow England to bat their innings on the basis that there is a good chance that the game would be completed within the time available, as England should be able to get the runs in fewer overs?!

Seems to me they would have to play anyway as there is no rule that I know of that decrees a minimum time to complete an over ...so theoretically the bowling side could race through their overs quickly. Which if they were taking wickets , they might.... So really either team would have a chance, however unlikely , to force a result : I don't think they could just call it off because there probably wouldn't be time to finish.
There may be something in the playing regulations but I'm not sure how it would be worded to deal with precisely the situation you have advanced ?

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Post by alfie on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 1:42 pm

Holder has taken up the Hetmyer role and is taking this away from Bangladesh quickly...if he stays in it will be 330.

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Post by alfie on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 1:45 pm

Ok , I just did for Holder Smile

WI pinning their hopes on...Hope , now. Can the rabbits see him to his hundred and the score to what they want ?

Oh I forgot Bravo...here he is

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Post by Gooseberry on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 1:48 pm

Does feel like once again in chasing more than they need WI might fall short of what they couldve had. 
Should end over 300 though which leaves them favourite. 330 + is surely safe

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Post by robbo277 on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 1:55 pm

alfie wrote:
robbo277 wrote:Looking at the forecast for tomorrow in Manchester and should be a good morning with a bit of rain possibly about in the afternoon. Which got me thinking about a hypothetical scenario.

Afghanistan bat first, and make about 170ao. Then the rain hits and reduces the game. To constitute a game, you need 20 overs per side. Let's say the D/L on this gives England a target of 100 in 20 overs. It gets to 1hr 45 before the scheduled end of play and the rain has cleared up with no prospect of further rain, but the outfield needs possibly a further 15 minutes to be fully dry.

Do the umpires call the game as there isn't enough time to get the 20 overs in (I think 1hr 45 is what you get allocated in a blast game)? Or do the umpires allow England to bat their innings on the basis that there is a good chance that the game would be completed within the time available, as England should be able to get the runs in fewer overs?!

Seems to me they would have to play anyway as there is no rule that I know of that decrees a minimum time to complete an over ...so theoretically the bowling side could race through their overs quickly.  Which if they were taking wickets , they might.... So really either team would have a chance,  however unlikely , to force a result : I don't think they could just call it off because there probably wouldn't be time to finish.
There may be something in the playing regulations but I'm not sure how it would be worded to deal with precisely the situation you have advanced ?

But if they had time for say 10 overs, would they play? Because there could be a chance England went hard and were 80-6 after 10, and then they'd have to stop and call a no result, even if the sun was out?

I've tried to find some guidance that the umpires use but I can't find anything anywhere.

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Post by AlciG on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 1:59 pm

Hope needs to pick the pace up a bit and 330 is still possible

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Post by robbo277 on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 2:01 pm

Following online - do we think Hope is batting for his milestone or just trying to make sure West Indies have proper bats batting out the overs? There's not much to come if he goes here.

300 would probably see West Indies as favourites, so maybe it's the right call to just tick along here. Get 310 on the board and then maybe have a dash in the last over or two.

As I say that Hope is out, apparently accelerating when 4 away. Bravo needs to take the majority of the strike here.

Good game developing, you'd say both results are possible here.

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Post by LondonTiger on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 2:04 pm



robbo277 wrote:
Do the umpires call the game as there isn't enough time to get the 20 overs in (I think 1hr 45 is what you get allocated in a blast game)? Or do the umpires allow England to bat their innings on the basis that there is a good chance that the game would be completed within the time available, as England should be able to get the runs in fewer overs?!

75 minutes in the T20 Blast (to bowl 19 overs and be ready to start the 20th)

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Post by AlciG on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 2:07 pm

300 up

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