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Post by sirfredperry Sat 29 Jun 2019, 10:56 am

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Fair weather, at least for the first few days, beckons at Wimbledon. There's a roof on number one court, which is excellent news for those with tickets for that court and for the organisers if the rain arrives.

Djoko is my favourite for the title followed by Federer. Rafa has a difficult draw but how often have we seen tricky draws work out simply due to the fact that projected opponents fall by the wayside.

Difficult to make a case out for anyone outside the top three having a good run. Last year Anderson and Isner made the semis but have not played much this season. Not sure Tsitsipas or Thiem really have the game for grass.

Predicting a women's champion is far from straightforward. Barty is the new number one and with that terrific BH slice could do extremely well. Kerber looked very good in beating Halep at Eastbourne and Pliskova has a chance, although her Wimbledon record is woeful.

You can never rule out Serena and, as I said before the French, practically all the top players have a chance. Intriguing first-round match between Coco Gauff (aged 15) and Venus (aged 39).

This year sees a tiebreak kick in at 12-12 in the final set. It just remains to be seen just how much talk the BBC come up with before showing any action when they start the programmes. Thank God for the red button.


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Post by No name Bertie Sat 06 Jul 2019, 4:25 pm

The Murray-Williams mixed doubles R64 match still hasn't been played despite the fact that the R32 mixed doubles matches have now started.

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Post by sirfredperry Sat 06 Jul 2019, 4:30 pm

Rafa had little to do to beat a well-below-par Tsonga in straight sets. Can't help thinking we've seen some poor performances this tournament. Loads of top players putting in rubbishy efforts.

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Post by Just John Sat 06 Jul 2019, 5:00 pm

So much for Rafa’s draw. Should see off Sousa or Evans, and then it’s Sandgren or Querrey.

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Post by lags72 Sat 06 Jul 2019, 5:05 pm

There’s another Frenchman now on Centre but he won’t get beaten up badly in the way his compatriot JWT just did.

Pouille is looking comfortable, hitting his spots and providing some serious competition vs Federer..

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Post by dummy_half Sat 06 Jul 2019, 6:39 pm

Had the Bencic v Riske game on earlier and my 7 year old daughter asked why does only one of them scream when she hits the ball?

Can't really answer without using the word 'cheating'...

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Post by MrInvisible Sat 06 Jul 2019, 7:17 pm

Surprised no-one else has mentioned Dan Evans who's in action now in a tight match against Sousa - now 5-5 in 3rd set. Evans has been playing his usual entertaining brand of all-court tennis - lots of approach shots, slices, volleying and the odd dropshot - he is v good to watch. At times though I do feel he can be bit too gung-ho at coming to the net and on several occasions he's come in on approach shots which weren't deep enough. Sousa is a decent powerful player.

Really rooting for Evans to pull through - would be great if he could earn a 4th round match-up with Nadal - feels like this match is in the balance though with momentum perhaps with Sousa right now.

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Post by lags72 Sat 06 Jul 2019, 7:23 pm

Well, you’re in good company because none other than Martina Navratilova has described grunting as “cheating, pure and simple”.

I’m not sure quite where the WTA currently are with their plans - first unveiled in 2012 - to tackle the issue. But this what was said back then :

The WTA plans to muzzle the next generation with the aid of umpires armed with hand-held devices to measure noise levels on court. Education at major tennis academies and with juniors and players at lower-tier tournaments has already begun.”

So .... perhaps, just perhaps .... by the time your 7 year-old has finished her school education, there might be some improvement. But I don’t think we should hold our collective breath ......

More on the subject here :

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tennis-grunting/sharapova-backs-plan-to-muzzle-grunters-idUSBRE89004S20121001

PS : Evans has, sadly, dropped the third set which he had on his racquet just a few minutes ago

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Post by MrInvisible Sat 06 Jul 2019, 7:53 pm

No-one else watching Evans v Sousa then? Evans down 2 sets to 1, went a break up, but following a pattern in previous 2 sets he's been broken back, and its now on serve.

Probably not looking too good for Evans - Sousa looking bit physically stronger than Evans so would be favourite to win 5th set should it require one. Clouds getting darker - presumably they'll use the roof if it does go the distance.

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Post by sirfredperry Sat 06 Jul 2019, 7:59 pm

Pouille did well to make a match of it against Fed who was probably not at his best, but good enough. Berrettini next for Rog.

Murray/Wms have just taken the first set in their mixed match.

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Post by dummy_half Sat 06 Jul 2019, 8:29 pm

MrInvisible wrote:No-one else watching Evans v Sousa then?  Evans down 2 sets to 1, went a break up, but following a pattern in previous 2 sets he's been broken back, and its now on serve.

Probably not looking too good for Evans - Sousa looking bit physically stronger than Evans so would be favourite to win 5th set should it require one.  Clouds getting darker - presumably they'll use the roof if it does go the distance.

Some really entertaining tennis being played - Evans probably kicking himself at not tying up either the 2nd or 3rd sets when he had chances for the second break.

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Post by sirfredperry Sat 06 Jul 2019, 8:51 pm

Murray/Wms won in straight sets. Evans was a break up in the fifth ( I think he's been a break up in ALL the sets) but it's now 3-3.

Andy looked to be serving well and was very sharp. Said afterwards that his back was hurting a bit but hip fine.


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Post by sirfredperry Sat 06 Jul 2019, 9:17 pm

Evans finally goes down 6-4 in the fifth. So the everybody-plays-day is set for Monday, with the whole of the men's and women's fourth rounds scheduled.

Always think it's tough on the women having to play 4th round and quarters on consecutive days. Least it's the same for all of them.

Djoko and Nadal still look good for the final, although Querrey is just the big-serving guy that Rafa has had trouble with in the past at Wimbledon.

You could do worse than put money on Barty who's on a great streak.

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Post by lags72 Sat 06 Jul 2019, 9:42 pm

sirfredperry wrote: ...........

Always think it's tough on the women having to play 4th round and quarters on consecutive days. Least it's the same for all of them.

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Tough on the women .... ?? I hardly think so. Not much sympathy from me !

Often they will need to play just two sets - and at worst it’s no never more than three.

So disappointing for Evans after putting in such a fine effort. In fairness they both played exceptionally well and it could have gone either way. Sousa goes into the second week - but it will be a very short week for him ..... consisting of one day only, ie Monday !

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Post by No name Bertie Sat 06 Jul 2019, 11:00 pm

Women only play best of three sets in the singles and womens doubles. Men have to play best of five sets in the singles and mens doubles. When the game gets extended into a fourth or fifth set the body becomes more vulnerable to lasting physical damage - trying to maintain the intensity when the body is becoming exhausted.

How many women tennis players have had to have a hip replacement?
How many male tennis players have had to have a hip replacement?

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Post by sirfredperry Sun 07 Jul 2019, 10:54 am

Been watching some of the Fed-Pouille match again. Fed won six games in a row at one point to clinch the first, tough, set and take a 4-0 lead in the second.

There were some vintage moments during this spell - a period that effectively settled the match. After that Pouille did well to make the third set competitive.

Can't help feeling that the men's fourth-round line-up is somewhat lacklustre. There's not really a stand-out match although some (Goffin-Verdasco for example?) could be close.

Konta-Kvitova could be good. Jo seems to do well in the big tournaments but if Petra plays well she'll probably have too much for the Briton.

Gauff's fairy-tale run will surely come to an end against Halep who should at least make the semis if she wins tomorrow. Barty and Serena should also win, setting up a quarter-final clash.


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Post by sirfredperry Mon 08 Jul 2019, 7:16 am

Some at Wimbledon have had two days off but they all play today. Berrettini is in good enough form to at least trouble Federer but I can't see Humbert or Sousa being too much of a problem for Djoko and Rafa.

Raonic should see off Pella and Nishi should also come thru. I think RBA and Goffin will make the last eight, although you can see Verdasco giving Goffin a long match.

Konta-Kvitova looks to be the pick of the women's last-16 matches.
You could make a good case out for either winning this one. As I said above, Halep should beat Gauff. I'm taking Barty, Serena, Mertens and Pliskova to win.

Svitolina didn't look that great in her last match so not so sure about her. Yastremska has beaten Kenin while her opponent Zhang took out Caroline (why's Hawkeye not working?) Wozniacki - so it could be a close match.

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Post by JuliusHMarx Mon 08 Jul 2019, 11:13 am

Anyone going to Riske betting against Barty?

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Post by No name Bertie Mon 08 Jul 2019, 1:10 pm

No name Bertie wrote:... Ashleigh ... Barty ... seems like she could become someone to dominate women's tennis for a long time ... she is 23.   At 5' 5.5" tall she is dimunitive, but her results indicate she is now packing quite a punch.
The reality looks like a no.  

Barty gets beaten by Riske in the fourth round  6-3 2-6 3-6.  Alison Riske is 29 years old and currently ranked at about 89 in the world.   This is her best result ever in a grand slam - reaching the QF.  Since 2014 her average performance level has been being knocked out in the first round of grand slams and making an occassional third round appearance here and there.

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Post by Calder106 Mon 08 Jul 2019, 1:28 pm

Riske played really well and with power in the last 2 sets and hit Barty off court. Fully deserved win but I wish that nearly every stroke did not have to be accompanied by a loud shout.

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Post by No name Bertie Mon 08 Jul 2019, 1:29 pm

Nadal is getting off to a good start against Sousa, currently it is 4-0 to Nadal in the first set.

I have to say I would prefer Nadal to win Wimbledon this year as it would make a remarkable story.  Bean counting (which is tying up the big four era of tennis) and "interesting stories" are two of the things that keeps me interested in following tennis nowadays.

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Post by lags72 Mon 08 Jul 2019, 1:37 pm

@ No name Bertie - your Barty prediction was indeed a pretty bold one, not least on the basis of just one Slam title.

She’s obviously a talented player, but we’ll have to see how her tennis career pans out. Meanwhile ..... as for her potential to “dominate for a long time ...”, I’m happy to make a prediction of my own : she ain’t no Williams or Federer.

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Post by No name Bertie Mon 08 Jul 2019, 1:53 pm

lags72 wrote:@ No name Bertie - your Barty prediction was indeed a pretty bold one, not least on the basis of just one Slam title.

She’s obviously a talented player, but we’ll have to see how her tennis career pans out. Meanwhile ..... as for her potential to “dominate for a long time ...”, I’m happy to make a prediction of my own : she ain’t no Williams or Federer.
I was thinking of a more muscle-bound version of Justine Henin - both identical heights (5' 5.5").  Henin won seven grand slams and was runner-up five times.  In today's era one would think such a type would fare better results wise given the apparent lower quality of the opposition (or at least the consistency of the opposition).

I seem to recall in the past many many 6-0 6-0 to 6-1 6-2 score lines in the early rounds.  You no longer get that.  So maybe the average quality has increased significantly but not at the elite level (where the consistency has fallen significantly).

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Post by lags72 Mon 08 Jul 2019, 2:05 pm

Well the odds I got last Friday when I placed my fun little wager on Nadal for the title are now looking especially generous at 4/1 (am kicking myself that I didn’t take 7/1 when available ... just before the tourney began).

The only other possible winner is of course Djokovic - but at a miserable 8/13 there was little to be gained by backing him.

Rafa currently looking more comfortable here on the grass than he has in quite a long time.

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Post by No name Bertie Mon 08 Jul 2019, 3:26 pm

In the mixed doubles we have
A. Murray & S. Williams
J. Murray & Mattek Sands
Tiafoe & V. Williams

Hence we have some possibilities of sibling match-ups if they all keep winning. Andy Murray made a point that both he and Serena were the youngest children & hence used to being bossed around.

If everything goes to plan we could have a:
A. Murray & S. Williams vs Tiafoe & V. Williams Semi-final
A. Murray & S. Williams vs J. Murray & Mattek Sands Final.

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Post by lags72 Mon 08 Jul 2019, 3:28 pm

Gauff a little unfortunate to come up against a very ‘on-song’ Halep. And for the first time it looks like the mental stress is getting to her - but of course all part of her tennis education, and she’s certainly battling as best she can, and has just broken back early in the second. Getting some medical attention now.

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Post by lags72 Mon 08 Jul 2019, 3:41 pm

Very little time left now for Gauff to turn things around. Halep brought her A game today, even if it has gone AWOL on a few occasions.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs Mon 08 Jul 2019, 3:47 pm

The needless hype well and truly over, Halep destroys Gauff. Easy money for the Romanian.

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Post by No name Bertie Mon 08 Jul 2019, 3:52 pm

Internet problems - just lost a post:

Final set tie breakers - what will be the first?

Muchova vs Ka Pliskova 4-6 7-5 9-9 ...?

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs Mon 08 Jul 2019, 3:53 pm

Kvitova wins first set vs Konta 6-4

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Post by JuliusHMarx Mon 08 Jul 2019, 3:57 pm

Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:The needless hype well and truly over, Halep destroys Gauff. Easy money for the Romanian.

Don't worry Nate, you can enjoy watching Gauff for the next 15 years or so.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs Mon 08 Jul 2019, 3:59 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:
Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:The needless hype well and truly over, Halep destroys Gauff. Easy money for the Romanian.

Don't worry Nate, you can enjoy watching Gauff for the next 15 years or so.
She's winning nothing. Hype gets exposed

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Post by Galted Mon 08 Jul 2019, 3:59 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:
Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:The needless hype well and truly over, Halep destroys Gauff. Easy money for the Romanian.

Don't worry Nate, you can enjoy watching Gauff for the next 15 years or so.

Laugh

At least the commentators won't be saying "she's 15, she is 15" each time she wins a point at the net.
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Post by lags72 Mon 08 Jul 2019, 4:02 pm

Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:The needless hype well and truly over, Halep destroys Gauff. Easy money for the Romanian.

World no. 7 beats World No. 313. Not much of a surprise there - although Gauff did break Halep in both sets as she put up a decent fight.

So with the “needless hype well and truly over” (in your opinion), what sort of future would you say Gauff has in the sport .... ??

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Post by No name Bertie Mon 08 Jul 2019, 4:06 pm

The BBC have overhyped Gauff running ten stories a day on her including on their CBBC childrens channel - but it is not Gauff's fault - it is just the BBC pushing their own agenda.

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Post by JuliusHMarx Mon 08 Jul 2019, 4:08 pm

No name Bertie wrote:The BBC have overhyped Gauff running ten stories a day on her including on their CBBC childrens channel - but it is not Gauff's fault - it is just the BBC pushing their own agenda.

What is their agenda?

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Post by No name Bertie Mon 08 Jul 2019, 4:09 pm

Galted wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:
Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:The needless hype well and truly over, Halep destroys Gauff. Easy money for the Romanian.

Don't worry Nate, you can enjoy watching Gauff for the next 15 years or so.

Laugh

At least the commentators won't be saying "she's 15, she is 15" each time she wins a point at the net.
It makes the phrase "love - 15" paedophilic.

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Post by Galted Mon 08 Jul 2019, 4:11 pm

No name Bertie wrote:
Galted wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:
Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:The needless hype well and truly over, Halep destroys Gauff. Easy money for the Romanian.

Don't worry Nate, you can enjoy watching Gauff for the next 15 years or so.

Laugh

At least the commentators won't be saying "she's 15, she is 15" each time she wins a point at the net.
It makes the phrase "love - 15" paedophilic.

Or "Gauff's been broken".
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Post by No name Bertie Mon 08 Jul 2019, 4:13 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:The BBC have overhyped Gauff running ten stories a day on her including on their CBBC childrens channel - but it is not Gauff's fault - it is just the BBC pushing their own agenda.

What is their agenda?
To create echo chambers - like that which can be found in the off-topic sections.

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Post by No name Bertie Mon 08 Jul 2019, 4:16 pm

Galted wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:
Galted wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:
Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:The needless hype well and truly over, Halep destroys Gauff. Easy money for the Romanian.

Don't worry Nate, you can enjoy watching Gauff for the next 15 years or so.

Laugh

At least the commentators won't be saying "she's 15, she is 15" each time she wins a point at the net.
It makes the phrase "love - 15" paedophilic.

Or "Gauff's been broken".
You can always out-smut me.  I suppose I need to spend more time in the Limericks section (or re-reading Chaucer) learning the trade.

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Post by Galted Mon 08 Jul 2019, 4:22 pm

No name Bertie wrote:
Galted wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:
Galted wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:
Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:The needless hype well and truly over, Halep destroys Gauff. Easy money for the Romanian.

Don't worry Nate, you can enjoy watching Gauff for the next 15 years or so.

Laugh

At least the commentators won't be saying "she's 15, she is 15" each time she wins a point at the net.
It makes the phrase "love - 15" paedophilic.

Or "Gauff's been broken".
You can always out-smut me.  I suppose I need to spend more time in the Limericks section (or re-reading Chaucer) learning the trade.

Smile

Thanks, I learned from the filthiest.
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Post by No name Bertie Mon 08 Jul 2019, 4:29 pm

Muchova vs Ka Pliskova ended 4-6 7-5 13-11 - so no final set tie-breaker. As far as I am aware there has yet to be a final set tie-breaker.

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Post by MrInvisible Mon 08 Jul 2019, 4:33 pm

I'm the 1st person who gets annoyed with hype and have seen many a talented young player get over-hyped over the years - could be a thread on itself - Richard Gasquet, Donald Young, Laura Robson, Grigor Dimitrov, even dear old Bernard Tomic laughing laughing laughing  

However, in the case of Gauff, she battled through qualifying and entered the Wimbledon draw without much fanfare or media expectation, but with each match she won she has accordingly attracted more attention based on the power, touch and mental maturity on court for one so young, and her fighting spirit coming back from the brink against Herzog.  Of course this was going to be a big media story.

I'm someone who tends to follow the mens' game substantially more than the womens' game but I've been gripped by her matches and found this the most compelling storyline in the tournament so far.

That said, I think it might be good for her to have lost today - there is a danger she gets too successful too quickly, before she can fully handle everything else that goes with it (e.g. look at how uncomfortable Osaka is with her new-found status) - don't want her to burn-out physically either.  So, hopefully she keeps a sensible schedule and is well-managed.  Full credit to her father for developing a well-rounded game in her, in contrast to the robots we often see on the womens' tour.

Yet again Pliskova misses out on the biggest stage - that'll be a tough loss to handle.

On the mens' someone up-thread said Nadal was playing the best on grass in years - I beg to differ - I consider he was playing just as well last year - real top notch stuff and arguably played the best tennis all tournament - just missed out to Djokovic in the narrowest of margins in that semi-final. Again, Nadal is playing the best tennis this year at Wimbledon, but he might still come short against Djokovic. I'm hoping though for a Nadal v Federer semi-final classic...

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Post by No name Bertie Mon 08 Jul 2019, 4:41 pm

MrInvisible wrote:I'm the 1st person who gets annoyed with hype and have seen many a talented young player get over-hyped over the years - could be a thread on itself - Richard Gasquet, Donald Young, Laura Robson, Grigor Dimitrov, even dear old Bernard Tomic laughing laughing laughing  

However, in the case of Gauff, she battled through qualifying and entered the Wimbledon draw without much fanfare or media expectation, but with each match she won she has accordingly attracted more attention based on the power, touch and mental maturity on court for one so young, and her fighting spirit coming back from the brink against Herzog.  Of course this was going to be a big media story ...
I just wish the media in their frenzy give such people some distance - especially when they're young. Robson was a talent - but she had a career changing injury. Gauff certainly seems like someone who could go on to dominate the women's game. It will be interesting to see how she develops. I suppose this will be recorded as her breaththrough tournament.

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Post by Henman Bill Mon 08 Jul 2019, 4:44 pm

I just saw a match go to 13-11 on the women's singles and I was wondering if the first 12-12 tiebreak has happened yet. I just had a quick look at the list of results for men's and women's singles and doubles and I don't see, or see any news reports. I haven't checked other events such as juniors/seniors etc if those have started. So has it not happened yet in any event?

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Post by Galted Mon 08 Jul 2019, 4:53 pm

There hasn't been one yet. It will get it's own article on the BBC site when it finally happens, plus the obligatory plaque presentation from Sue Barker.
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Post by JuliusHMarx Mon 08 Jul 2019, 5:11 pm

Galted wrote:There hasn't been one yet.  It will get it's own article on the BBC site when it finally happens, plus the obligatory plaque presentation from Sue Barker.

BBC and their damn agenda.

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Post by Galted Mon 08 Jul 2019, 5:16 pm

Yep, first Gauff and now the mythical fifth set tie-break, they're a disgrace to all national broadcasting services requiring a compulsory licence fee payment.
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Post by sirfredperry Mon 08 Jul 2019, 6:33 pm

Surprised Barty lost but Riske looked good, if noisy. What's thge betting Riske will now play like a drain in her next match.

Konta made heavy weather of it at the end of the match, needing to serve for it twice. Excellent win, though. She seems to relish the big occasions.

Easy wins, as everyone thought, for Djoko and Rafa, while Fed has taken the first set in 17 mins against Berrettini, although no doubt it will get tougher from here on in.

I thought Pliskova would win, but her GS record is poor and she could not quite spin it out long enough for a 12-12 tiebreak.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 08 Jul 2019, 6:48 pm

Berrettini is playing like he’s spent the day at the pub with Kyrgios here
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