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Post by kwinigolfer on Tue 6 Aug 2019 - 18:56

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1).Whatever anyone thinks about the 2018/2019 schedule, the fact remains that the PGA Tour's efforts to monopolise the year's golfing calendar culminate these next three weeks in the FedEx Play Offs and, at latest count, 121 of the 125 leading FedEx Points earners over the past 10 or 11 months get to play for $gazillions.

2).I'm inclined to agree with Eamon Lynch writing in GolfWeek that it would be nice if the PGA "Tour worried about what golf fans want to see, and not football fans".
But money talks and has usurped sports in every corner of the world so why should golf be any different? Perhaps FedEx will deploy their immense resources somewhere else one day, but for now we're stuck with this year's schedule.
Or at least until they decide that the NFL's "Pre Season" should also take precedence and the FedEx Play-Offs will occur before, or perhaps simultaneously with, The Open Championship?

3).FedEx Champ Justin Rose has already lamented the changes and clearly other leading pros are reviewing their seasons in light of the "compressed" series of big events.
The one comment that should resonate with the Tour is Jack Nicklaus's reflection of what made the Tour what it is, the series of "community" events staged around the country, and which are slowly being superseded by the series of mega tournaments thru'out the year - it's not clear yet whether the smaller events, and last week's stop in Greensboro could be a case in point, have regressed from "endangered species" to potentially "extinct", but the threat is there.
And, what an irony that the Tour incessantly trumpets the "charitable contributions" generated by the Tour (which helps protect the Tour's tax status), but renders expendable those events, especially in Texas, which annually makes the largest of those contributions.

4).But this is America, or at least the Big Tour, and it is what it is.

5).The Play-Offs have lost a tournament since last year, and the "Northern Trust" will now be shared by the Boston and New York markets, which in itself reminds one how ludicrous it is that NYC only gets half a Tour event per year.
125 golfers qualify for the Northern Trust, and the leading 70 in FedEx Points at close of play Sunday advance to Medinah in Chicago and the "BMW".
Then 30 move on to Hotlanta, whose event has morphed into a handicap tournament which is just about the most absurd thing in sporting history. Almost as bad as ending football games on penalties. (Rumours here that the NRA plans to take the Tour Championship over and initiate a shotgun start.)

6).I won't try to explain the handicap system as I still can't wrap by brain around it, but suffice it so say that pgatour.com describes it as offering "more drama, simplicity". You be the judge.

7).The big FedEx beneficiaries over the years have mostly been the usual suspects, but worth noting their accumulated "bonus pool" goodies nevertheless. The Top 12 have all piled up $10mil or more. $K:
28,275: Woods
15,900: McIlroy
15,247: Furyk
14,665: Spieth
14,508: Rose
13,758: Stenson
12,298: Snedeker
11,645: Horschel
11,475: Bill Haas
11,272: Singh
11,145: Thomas
10,557: Dustin Johnson
Followed by Stricker, Mickelson, Kuchar, Donald, Day.

7).Among those named above, it is quite possible that Messrs Haas and Donald will reappear, not in these Play-Offs but in the KFC series which begins on Thursday week for the leading 75 "Korn Ferry" players and #126 to #200 on the FedEx Points table. I wonder if Alex Noren will participate?

8).With 55 golfers destined to be eliminated after the Northern Trust, their next chance to tee it up on Tour will be the second week in September, in West Virginia's Greenbrier Resort. Followed by:
Sanderson Farms, Jackson, Mississippi
Safeway, Napa Valley, California
Las Vegas
Houston
Far East limited field money grabs
Bermuda (opposite field event the same week as the WGC in China)
Mayakoba, Mexico
RSM, Sea Island, Georgia

9).Sergio Garcia tees it up this week, needing a good result to move on. I'll defend Sergio to the hilt until he goes over the edge, which he seems to have done temperamentally these past few months. Will he sit himself down and take a time out, a la 2010? Or will the Tour do it for him? Both the European and PGA Tours need to be more transparent about discipline and hopefully the European Tour will publish any sanctions against Sergio and, also, of course, Thorbjorn Olesen.  

10).Off for a couple of days of tennis, a little easier for me to figure out than these Play-Offs.

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Post by Shotrock on Thu 22 Aug 2019 - 14:40

Well stated Mac. It is kinda nuts. I also think that this new, early date gives them many more course options than Atlanta. Nothing wrong with East Lake, but would be interesting to see them move it around a bit.

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Post by Shotrock on Thu 22 Aug 2019 - 14:46

Wire - Bingo.

You are going to watch it. (As are many other millions in the US and elsewhere.) Sponsor value that allows the big money payday.

(Full disclosure: I'll be golfing with my wife at a mixed event at my club Sunday afternoon, so I'll catch the highlights.)


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Post by GPB on Thu 22 Aug 2019 - 16:03

wiretapper wrote:It's Fed-Ex Cup Final weekend, the Super Bowl of golf.

Alex, I will take "Statements never said" for $500.


Hope the Jeopardy! reference is understood in GB&I. Apologize if it is not.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Thu 22 Aug 2019 - 17:07

GPB wrote:
wiretapper wrote:It's Fed-Ex Cup Final weekend, the Super Bowl of golf.

Alex, I will take "Statements never said" for $500.


Hope the Jeopardy! reference is understood in GB&I.  Apologize if it is not.


I think they'd have a good yawn and remember it was just your starter for ten.


They're off at East Lake, early starters playing like 10 handicappers . . . . . . . . . .

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Post by I'm never wrong on Thu 22 Aug 2019 - 18:49

Wonder how the PGA Tour and the main sponsor would react to Louis Oosthuizen winning?

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Post by Shotrock on Thu 22 Aug 2019 - 19:45

That would be great. Especially if he were co-sponsored by Pepsi.

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Post by pedro on Thu 22 Aug 2019 - 20:13

It’s an absurd amount of money. So it could be fun if some no-name like Im or Conners ran away with it.

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Post by McLaren on Thu 22 Aug 2019 - 21:02

15 million is crazy. That is the equivalent of nearly £300,000 per week in football terms. Someone is about to win what Ozil earns a year in just 4 days. Although they will still have put in more work than Ozil over a season.
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Post by Shotrock on Thu 22 Aug 2019 - 21:53

Rory will win this. You heard it here first.

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Post by pedro on Thu 22 Aug 2019 - 22:51

Koepka. You heard it here.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Fri 23 Aug 2019 - 0:31

Schauffele with a 2 stroke lead after Round 1.
Hey, what am I missing?

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Post by GPB on Fri 23 Aug 2019 - 13:24

kwinigolfer wrote:Schauffele with a 2 stroke lead after Round 1.
Hey, what am I missing?

The First round of the tournament that was figuratively played from October 1st through August 18th.

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Post by Shotrock on Fri 23 Aug 2019 - 13:27

I agree with my Irish friend Rory on this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/22/sports/golf/fedex-cup-playoff-pga-rules.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fgolf&action=click&contentCollection=golf&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=sectionfront

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Post by kwinigolfer on Fri 23 Aug 2019 - 14:01

Karen Crouse is a terrific asset for the NYT, another good piece.

But I reckon the Tour has got exactly what it wants, trying to dominate World Golf. Greg Norman's World Tour notion all those years ago was the catalyst to take "World" out of World Golf and Finchem has done a superb job of doing just that. And all other International Tours and Federations have been hapless accomplices, wittingly or unwittingly.

It would be good if Majors were more richly rewarded in FedEx pts, but the Majors are not Tour events and the Tour doesn't care about them, their history, or any legacy to the winners.
The Points structure, theoretically, incents players to play more events, unlike Shane or Tiger who played pretty much the minimum, or less.

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Post by Shotrock on Fri 23 Aug 2019 - 15:22

Agree about Karen Crouse. When I was volunteering last year she was in the Phil Mickelson group and I went up and asked her (as I collected the caddie bibs and she walked off 18) if she was indeed Karen Crouse (I wasn't 100% certain). She told me it was the first time anyone recognized her on the course. We had a nice chat and I admitted to be e-user of the NYT, she was all paper. She walked ALL 18 holes with Phil in stifling heat. No shortcuts there. A terrific journalist.

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Post by GPB on Fri 23 Aug 2019 - 17:30

IMO, the Tour certainly cares about the majors, it is symbiotic relationship. Both the Majors and The PGATour benefit from each other

But remember, the Tour works for the Players, the Players don't work for the tour. And the fact is that the FEDEX Cup money bonanza is the PGATour players retirement fund.

And the Majors have the least participation of PGATour full-time and exempt PGATour Members (approximately 50% overall). The players are not going to endorse a program where major is worth 2x as many points as a Memorial or a John Deere. Its against their interest.

And think about the consequences of upping the Majors to 1000 points. If Robert MacIntyre was one shot better, he would have got STM for a 5th place finish. That's not in the PGATour members best interest. I don't think one 4th place finish in a major should get a player membership in the PGATour especially when that major is only about 50% PGATour members

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sat 24 Aug 2019 - 12:19

Very late tee-times at East Lake this afternoon, Glover & Leishman opening the batting @ 1.00 p.m..
Not sure why but they could easily run into trouble with thunderstorms, which would be poetic justice.
Perhaps the Tour is scared of clashing with Liverpool vs Arsenal?

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Post by GPB on Sat 24 Aug 2019 - 15:17

If there is a weather delay this afternoon, the tournament can easily catch up tomorrow with the small field.


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Post by kwinigolfer on Sat 24 Aug 2019 - 23:21

GPB wrote:If there is a weather delay this afternoon, the tournament can easily catch up tomorrow with the small field.


Try explaining that to the people that were injured due to lightening strikes . . . . . . . .
Doubt that would have happened if they'd've teed off this morning.
They go out of their way to dodge the NFL but are not interested in trying to dodge lightening. You couldn't make it up.

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Post by pedro on Sun 25 Aug 2019 - 0:01

Let’s see if they can dodge lawsuits.

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Post by super_realist on Sun 25 Aug 2019 - 6:30

pedro wrote:Let’s see if they can dodge lawsuits.

Whenever I've been at an event, I'm sure the ticket has always said that the venue is not responsible for injuries caused by your own stupidity and those outside their control, but seeing as in America you can sue a coffee chain for your coffee being hot or a cigarette company for giving you cancer I wouldn't be surprised if they got a lawsuit. Just another example of how mad America is.

If the weather is terrible, you don't need the tournament organiser to tell you to get off the course. We can all tell when lightning is coming. Why would you put yourself in danger?
Are Americans really as stupid as their stereotype would have us believe?
If a building was on fire would you wait for an evacuation order or just get out of there?

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Post by McLaren on Sun 25 Aug 2019 - 10:01

Super

Have you never continued a round with lightning in the area? I know I have when it doesn't seem like the storm is that close. Played a match this summer with thunder rumbling over the forth. The course was barely a few miles from there.
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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun 25 Aug 2019 - 11:40

Regardless, they'll go again starting @ 8.00 a.m., minus those few spectators.

And Viktor Hovland leading in the potato fields of Idaho - spuds in.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Sun 25 Aug 2019 - 13:16

GPB wrote:IMO, the Tour certainly cares about the majors, it is symbiotic relationship.  Both the Majors and The PGATour benefit from each other

But remember, the Tour works for the Players, the Players don't work for the tour.  And the fact is that the FEDEX Cup money bonanza is the PGATour players retirement fund.....
Do the richest players on the PGAT, with wealth along the lines of Croesus, really need this 'bonanza'? Want it, yes. Need it? Can't see it myself.

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pedro wrote:Let’s see if they can dodge lawsuits.

Whenever I've been at an event, I'm sure the ticket has always said that the venue is not responsible for injuries caused by your own stupidity and those outside their control, but seeing as in America you can sue a coffee chain for your coffee being hot or a cigarette company for giving you cancer I wouldn't be surprised if they got a lawsuit. Just another example of how mad America is.

If the weather is terrible, you don't need the tournament organiser to tell you to get off the course. We can all tell when lightning is coming. Why would you put yourself in danger?
Are Americans really as stupid as their stereotype would have us believe?
If a building was on fire would you wait for an evacuation order or just get out of there?
What is it with your dogmatic anti-American vibe? Yes, they have some mind-numbing dullards, but so does everywhere.

For the record, the hospital I work in has an explicit policy re. fire evacuation that stipulates you stay put until told to move/get out by men/women in big hats. It's the building fire design.
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Post by I'm never wrong on Sun 25 Aug 2019 - 15:22

Xander replicates Chez Reavie's hole in one on the 9th. Chez 230 yards, Xander 240 yards. Never mind the hole in ones, I would just like to hit the ball that far.

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Post by GPB on Sun 25 Aug 2019 - 15:33

kwinigolfer wrote:
GPB wrote:If there is a weather delay this afternoon, the tournament can easily catch up tomorrow with the small field.


Try explaining that to the people that were injured due to lightening strikes . . . . . . . .
Doubt that would have happened if they'd've teed off this morning.
They go out of their way to dodge the NFL but are not interested in trying to dodge lightening. You couldn't make it up.

Monday Morning Quarterbacking and Results Oriented Thinking

The lightening [sic] strikes happened 28 minutes after they suspended play, and at least an hour after they posted Severe Weather Warnings on the Scoreboards. Those people should not have been on the golf course.

Aren't you one of the people that complain when there is tape delayed coverage?

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun 25 Aug 2019 - 15:43

kwinigolfer wrote:Very late tee-times at East Lake this afternoon, Glover & Leishman opening the batting @ 1.00 p.m..
Not sure why but they could easily run into trouble with thunderstorms, which would be poetic justice.
Perhaps the Tour is scared of clashing with Liverpool vs Arsenal?


GPB,
As you can see from the timing of this post, this is a 3.00 p.m. Saturday afternoon No 10 (you won't get that which is OK) rather than Monday morning quarterbacking.

I wouldn't have to watch anything on tape delay if they covered it - they've run themselves down the exact cul-de-sac they specifically reorganised the season to avoid. Ridiculous.

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Post by Shotrock on Sun 25 Aug 2019 - 16:17

Anti-American and anti USPGA undertones aside (the broken record does get old and it's fruitless trying to have meaningful conversations with closed minds) ... this is shaping up to be a heck of a final day. Still favor Rory, seems to play his best when there's no career-defining pressure (the majors).

I'll be watching it on self-imposed delay.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun 25 Aug 2019 - 16:22

Shotrock wrote:Anti-American and anti USPGA undertones aside (the broken record does get old and it's fruitless trying to have meaningful conversations with closed minds) ... this is shaping up to be a heck of a final day. Still favor Rory, seems to play his best when there's no career-defining pressure (the majors).

I'll be watching it on self-imposed delay.


Rory can take plenty of inspiration from Ben Stokes . . . . . . . . .

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Post by GPB on Sun 25 Aug 2019 - 16:22

And I told you you that with a short field, they have plenty of time to catch up. And that exactly what has happened. 4th round is going off on time. (low chance of rain this afternoon)

BTW you didn't speculate about someone getting injured from lightning. And that was my MMQ reference. Those people should have never been on the golf course, 28 minutes after they suspended play and at least one hour after Severe Warnings were posted on scoreboards.

Barring a really bad 4th round from Rory, he has the Vardon Trophy clinched. He needed to beat Cantlay by five shots this week.

We have a Rory/Brooks final round. Last time this happened, was in Memphis last month and Brooks shot 65 to Rory's 71.


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Post by I'm never wrong on Sun 25 Aug 2019 - 16:51

Shotrock wrote:no career-defining pressure
But a five year exemption to the tour? Not that I would think the top players would need it......

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun 25 Aug 2019 - 20:58

Without being massively pro or anti, I reckon the PGA Tour does some disingenuous things, sometimes moronic, but one thing I'd say they got spot on was reversing the East Lake nines. Making it a much more interesting tournament to watch instead of the relentless Firestone-like grind.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 25 Aug 2019 - 21:32

Rory going well so far, with 6 to go he leads by 1 - seems to be handling going up against Brooks better than he did in Memphis
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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun 25 Aug 2019 - 22:57

Sweet revenge vs Koepka.

But: Anyone think Rory wouldn't have given up that $15M for a par on the first hole at Portrush? Didn't think so.
#majorsrule

He also won the gross event, as well as the net, I think by 3 strokes.

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Post by pedro on Sun 25 Aug 2019 - 23:51

BK PGATour PoY? Despite not winning a ‘true’ PGAT event?
Rory on the other hand: PC and TC.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 26 Aug 2019 - 0:48

Confirmation that Hovland will be on the PGA Tour next year, Lahiri too.


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Post by super_realist on Mon 26 Aug 2019 - 8:02

navyblueshorts wrote:
GPB wrote:IMO, the Tour certainly cares about the majors, it is symbiotic relationship.  Both the Majors and The PGATour benefit from each other

But remember, the Tour works for the Players, the Players don't work for the tour.  And the fact is that the FEDEX Cup money bonanza is the PGATour players retirement fund.....
Do the richest players on the PGAT, with wealth along the lines of Croesus, really need this 'bonanza'? Want it, yes. Need it? Can't see it myself.

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pedro wrote:Let’s see if they can dodge lawsuits.

Whenever I've been at an event, I'm sure the ticket has always said that the venue is not responsible for injuries caused by your own stupidity and those outside their control, but seeing as in America you can sue a coffee chain for your coffee being hot or a cigarette company for giving you cancer I wouldn't be surprised if they got a lawsuit. Just another example of how mad America is.

If the weather is terrible, you don't need the tournament organiser to tell you to get off the course. We can all tell when lightning is coming. Why would you put yourself in danger?
Are Americans really as stupid as their stereotype would have us believe?
If a building was on fire would you wait for an evacuation order or just get out of there?
What is it with your dogmatic anti-American vibe? Yes, they have some mind-numbing dullards, but so does everywhere.

For the record, the hospital I work in has an explicit policy re. fire evacuation that stipulates you stay put until told to move/get out by men/women in big hats. It's the building fire design.

Rubbish, if a building is on fire, you get out, you don't wait for instruction, you get out via the designated fire exit and you are accounted for at the muster point.

Likewise if a course is under threat of thunder and lightning, you don't wait until you are in danger of being hit, you get to a safe place. It's not an anti-American thing, but it's rather telling that this happened in America where people seem incapable of personal responsibility. I don't know anyone who can't tell how far away thunder and lightning by the difference between flash and thunder. Only an absolute moron (or an American who hadn't been told to leave) would stay out on the course in such threatening conditions.

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Post by super_realist on Mon 26 Aug 2019 - 8:09

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Have you never continued a round with lightning in the area? I know I have when it doesn't seem like the storm is that close. Played a match this summer with thunder rumbling over the forth. The course was barely a few miles from there.

Mac, you are a long way from the storm aren't you though? A few miles is a LONG way. It's like being worried about crossing a road when the nearest car is three miles away.
At that sort of distance you should be listening intently on how far away the storm is and looking for a place to get down. If it's getting closer, get down on the ground, if it's not getting any closer, carry on. There's also apps which tell you where the strikes are.

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Post by wiretapper on Mon 26 Aug 2019 - 11:44

Well played Rory, an excellent final round (and in particular back 9) that even bogeys on 14 and 15 couldn't derail.

I'm also pleased he had the best gross score and coming in at number 5, it means that he would have also won the Fed-Ex under the previous system. I'm not sure if that vindicates one over the other but from a golfing point of view, I think  there is something satisfying to that.

I watched a fair chunk of the event, most of Thursday, all of Saturday up until the hooter, and Sunday from Thomas and Casey teeing off their final rounds to the very end and certainly from Saturday onwards it had the feel of a traditional tournament (albeit with a an enormous prize-pot). I suspect that since the scores reflected many tournaments and that Thomas hadn't used his net advantage to stride off into the distance probably aided this.

Come Sunday the only thing reminding me that this was somewhat different was Justin Thomas. He wasn't playing well, certainly nowhere near as good as the other leaders but there he was, still on the leaderboard, still in coverage. His little birdie run did help this but I suspect that had he been playing closer to par than 10 under it would have hardly made a ripple on any media coverage.

But this isn't a normal tournament and therefore is something I will have to used to, at least until they change it again.

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Post by McLaren on Mon 26 Aug 2019 - 13:52

Weird season for Rory, 3 pgat wins and topping the FedEx yet nowhere near winning a major. He said post match that he ranks it as one of his best.

What is telling is that he is way down the race to dubai rankings, which shows he hasn't placed well in the majors and wgc's.

And from a princedrac stat, Rory has the highest OWGR average points of 2019 with 19.58, with Koepka in second with 19.02.

Goes to show Rory is only judged on major performance by fans and the media.
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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 26 Aug 2019 - 14:20

"Goes to show Rory is only judged on major performance"?

Isn't that the way it should be?

After all, that's how Brandt Snedeker, Bill Haas and Billy Ho are judged?

Terrific weekend for Rory and a fine year by most standards, but the history making stuff came earlier in his career unless he can win some more Majors.

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Post by Shotrock on Mon 26 Aug 2019 - 14:26

Didn't watch it on tape delay, but did read that Brooks said no one was beating Rory the final day. Well done! My #1 choice for Augusta next year.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 26 Aug 2019 - 14:37

Shotrock wrote:Didn't watch it on tape delay, but did read that Brooks said no one was beating Rory the final day. Well done! My #1 choice for Augusta next year.


Hope you're right, Sr.
BK looked knackered, beaten up by his year as well as by Rory.

Mike Tirico did the prize ceremony interview - embarrassing, he doesn't know what he doesn't know any better now than he did all those years ago on WTVH5! Rory must have seen his act before and pretty much ignored him.

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Post by pedro on Mon 26 Aug 2019 - 15:08

Dunno about Tirico. Rory didn’t answer his question but just rattled on and on about how great the fans and sponsors are. He has been too long in America it seems. The least you could do for 15M is answer the bloody question.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Mon 26 Aug 2019 - 15:49

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navyblueshorts wrote:
GPB wrote:IMO, the Tour certainly cares about the majors, it is symbiotic relationship.  Both the Majors and The PGATour benefit from each other

But remember, the Tour works for the Players, the Players don't work for the tour.  And the fact is that the FEDEX Cup money bonanza is the PGATour players retirement fund.....
Do the richest players on the PGAT, with wealth along the lines of Croesus, really need this 'bonanza'? Want it, yes. Need it? Can't see it myself.

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pedro wrote:Let’s see if they can dodge lawsuits.

Whenever I've been at an event, I'm sure the ticket has always said that the venue is not responsible for injuries caused by your own stupidity and those outside their control, but seeing as in America you can sue a coffee chain for your coffee being hot or a cigarette company for giving you cancer I wouldn't be surprised if they got a lawsuit. Just another example of how mad America is.

If the weather is terrible, you don't need the tournament organiser to tell you to get off the course. We can all tell when lightning is coming. Why would you put yourself in danger?
Are Americans really as stupid as their stereotype would have us believe?
If a building was on fire would you wait for an evacuation order or just get out of there?
What is it with your dogmatic anti-American vibe? Yes, they have some mind-numbing dullards, but so does everywhere.

For the record, the hospital I work in has an explicit policy re. fire evacuation that stipulates you stay put until told to move/get out by men/women in big hats. It's the building fire design.

Rubbish, if a building is on fire, you get out, you don't wait for instruction, you get out via the designated fire exit and you are accounted for at the muster point.

Likewise if a course is under threat of thunder and lightning, you don't wait until you are in danger of being hit, you get to a safe place. It's not an anti-American thing, but it's rather telling that this happened in America where people seem incapable of personal responsibility. I don't know anyone who can't tell how far away thunder and lightning by the difference between flash and thunder. Only an absolute moron (or an American who hadn't been told to leave) would stay out on the course in such threatening conditions.
You, Sir, are a fool and a pretty arrogant one at that. You have no idea of the building that I work in and its fire design. If a building with 1000s of employees empties en masse, I'd wager that might be more of an issue that doing what one's supposed to do as part of the building's fire regulations, as determined by its design and by the Fire service. If you were to evacuate during an alarm, instead of doing what you're meant to do, at our place, you'd soon find yourself having a chat with one of the fire safety officers. Still, you clearly know best.

You also live in Scotland; hardly known for its Summer thunder/lightning storms. Still, you're clearly a World renowned meteorologist as well everything else and know all there is to know about U.S. weather systems.

Enough. It's off topic (pretty much), but I'm sure you'll insist on the last word.

On topic, good win for McIlroy.
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Post by super_realist on Mon 26 Aug 2019 - 16:06

I didn't say I did know about your building, I didn't even infer that. Like Mac you should probably learn to read better. I said that if a building is on fire then you don't wait for instructions, you get out and worry about "due process" later. I would have thought Grenfell had put paid to listening to someone else's decision on whether you get out or not, obviously you are a sheep though and would stay in a burning building until told otherwise. Hilarious.
It doesn't matter that the UK might not be as prolific in regards to lightning frequency as the US, but the importance of personal responsibility still takes presedence over official rules. What sort of idiot waits for a hooter to get off the course when even a moron knows the fatal consequences of a lightning strike?
If there's a danger to your life, then it's up to you to make a decision and get to a safe place, not rely on someone else to tell you what to do.
Large buildings have multiple fire escapes anyway, so what's your problem?


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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 26 Aug 2019 - 16:12

pedro wrote:Dunno about Tirico. Rory didn’t answer his question but just rattled on and on about how great the fans and sponsors are. He has been too long in America it seems. The least you could do for 15M is answer the bloody question.


Stupid question though, I think that's why Rory swiftly changed the subject . . . . . .

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Post by McLaren on Mon 26 Aug 2019 - 16:43

kwinigolfer wrote:"Goes to show Rory is only judged on major performance"?

Isn't that the way it should be?

After all, that's how Brandt Snedeker, Bill Haas and Billy Ho are judged?

Terrific weekend for Rory and a fine year by most standards, but the history making stuff came earlier in his career unless he can win some more Majors.

If anyone else has Rorys season, even Koepka, the golf media would spin it as a good to great year. For example that Koepka finally took the lesser tournaments seriously, Spieth was back, DJ just keeps winning every year etc.

Rory will rightly be mostly judged on major wins at the end of his career but there are more to legendary careers than major wins. You need the sense that this guy was the best around at the time and pgat wins, FedEx cups and owgr rankings will do that.

At the lesser end of the scale think about why the worst player to win a major (or two majors) debates happen. Rory needs a career to support the argument that he is the best player to win X majors. And seasons like this where the wins tally crept up are necessary for that.
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Post by navyblueshorts on Mon 26 Aug 2019 - 19:20

super_realist wrote:I didn't say I did know about your building, I didn't even infer that. Like Mac you should probably learn to read better. I said that if a building is on fire then you don't wait for instructions, you get out and worry about "due process" later. I would have thought Grenfell had put paid to listening to someone else's decision on whether you get out or not, obviously you are a sheep though and would stay in a burning building until told otherwise. Hilarious.
It doesn't matter that the UK might not be as prolific in regards to lightning frequency as the US, but the importance of personal responsibility still takes presedence over official rules. What sort of idiot waits for a hooter to get off the course when even a moron knows the fatal consequences of a lightning strike?
If there's a danger to your life, then it's up to you to make a decision and get to a safe place, not rely on someone else to tell you what to do.
Large buildings have multiple fire escapes anyway, so what's your problem?
I rest my case. Always have to have the last word, wrong more often than you admit and impressively arrogant with it. Not interested in discussing it further as you're obviously an expert in building fire design and fire risk assessment. Jog on.
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Post by Shotrock on Mon 26 Aug 2019 - 20:26

Mac - I'm not so sure people are picking on Rory. He's had a massive HOF career already. And coming on the heels of one of (IMO #1) the best and most dominant golfers ever makes comparisons natural. At this same age Tiger had lots more majors than Rory (Tiger had 10 in his 20's). Like Tiger back in the day, when Rory gets it going he appears unbeatable. I'm guessing Rory celebrates every win and should be plenty proud of what he did this season ... still, I'm (pretty) sure his #1 goal in golf is to win more majors. (I certainly think he will).

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